Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends

2009-07-28 Thread Hanna Zickermann
When I was working as a dresser at the Opera House, some back-laced 
costumes came with little metal aiglets. Those were nice for 
dressing, but always got stuck in the grommets after the show when 
the ladies wanted to undress quickly to go home. I found out that 
securing the ends with plain glue was a good solution as the ends had 
a bit of elasticity that made them slip easily through the grommets. 
I just used a drop of glue and massaged it into the braid, and then 
rolled it to a nice thin sausage.


Hanna


At 20:04 27.07.2009, you wrote:

Certainly not period correct, but I use lacing cord-by-the spool from
Greenberg  Hammer and using a narrow zig-zag stich on the machine, I stitch
about 1.5 down each end a couple of times (actualy I stitch about 3 while
stretching the cord to make it as narrow as possible, then cut it from the
spool in the center leaving one end already done for the next time) -- then
I use Fray-Check on the ends.  It's long enough to to last for the run of a
show and then trim off the 1/4 or so of the end when it starts to fray, and
re-Fray-Check the newly cut end.


Kate Pinner

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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of albert...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:37 AM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question







Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm using
1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon
embroidery.  It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good
alternative.

20 years ago I bought a huge industrial spool of 1/4 cotton twill tape. (I
STILL have tons of it!) I use that and it works well, but the ends do fray.




I think I ordered the spool from Greenburg  Hammer.




http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends

2009-07-28 Thread albertcat



20 years ago I bought a huge industrial spool of 1/4 cotton twill tape. (I
STILL have tons of it!) I use that and it works well, but the ends do fray.






*




I shoulda mentioned the advantages of the cotton twill tape.




It's thin because it's flat, y'know...a tape. But it's strong because it's 
woven.

It can be dyed any color on the stove in a sauce pan.

In many cases, it's period (though linen tape is the real thing.)




Besides, it's useful for other things like drawstrings and a stabilizer on 
stretching seams.




And of course it's cheap!


 



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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends

2009-07-28 Thread Becky Rautine

I wasn't sure how to create a personna and what to do about making it 
correctly. Can you look at the sketch I posted in Becky's Iron Dress folder? 
Please  tell me if you think that sketch fits what I want. I like it anyway but 
want to design one for a specific class. I'll be using my blackwork smock since 
it's so beautiful. I don't know about my farthingale from my noblity gown. I 
think it sticks out too far for middle class, from what I've read. 
I'm starting a diary of my progress but not online. I have photos. I have some 
wonderful red linen and black linen for the trim. I wanted to make my own 
braided trim to go on top of the black down the front. It would add some detail 
with out looking as fancy as my other gown. It's definitely nobility class. I 
want it above the peasant gown but not noblity. 

Sincerely,
Rebecca Rautine



 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:01:03 -0700
 From: sstormwa...@yahoo.com
 To: h-cost...@indra.com
 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends
 
 
 Just be a merchant trader's wife, as they usually are rich, and involved in 
 importing in fine fabrics and other fineries that people bought. A tailor was 
 not paid a whole lot to make up those fine fabrics into garments, and was 
 considered just a craftsmen. And women didn't seem to be allowed to own their 
 own stores, unless they were widows continuing their husband's job. I am 
 applying this to England, and it may be even harsher in other countries of 
 the time period.
 
 Kimiko
 
 --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  garment. SOmeone with some money but not noblity, rich,
  merchant trader's wife who runs her own shop to make those
  nobility and court gowns. She'd have access to left overs
 
 
 
   
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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-27 Thread Claire Clarke
I've only ever made 16th through 18th century stays and boned bodices, but I
get silk embroidery floss and make a 4 or 8 strand braid. Phiala's String
Page (http://www.stringpage.com/) has good instructions on these. I find
these work excellently well, and are not too time-consuming to make. 

Claire

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:38:45 -0700
From: Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com
Subject: [h-cost] Lacing question
To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com
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Hi,

Getting ready for Costume College and have a last minute issue.  Could have
asked this on the CGW list, but thought the larger group here might give a
larger range of answers/ideas.

What do you use for lacing your various types of corsets and/or stays?  When
I think about going to the local fabric store and buying the cotton cord
that I would normally use as filling in pipings, I just can't see using it
on stays, especially late 18th/early 19th century.  Rattail certainly would
not work either.  What do you use that isn't too bulky or to hard, or too
prone to slipping out of the tie?

Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm using
1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon
embroidery.  It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good
alternative.

Thanks.

Laurie T.
Phoenix

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-27 Thread albertcat






Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm using
1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon
embroidery.  It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good
alternative.

20 years ago I bought a huge industrial spool of 1/4 cotton twill tape. (I 
STILL have tons of it!) I use that and it works well, but the ends do fray.




I think I ordered the spool from Greenburg  Hammer.




http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends

2009-07-27 Thread Kate Pinner
Certainly not period correct, but I use lacing cord-by-the spool from
Greenberg  Hammer and using a narrow zig-zag stich on the machine, I stitch
about 1.5 down each end a couple of times (actualy I stitch about 3 while
stretching the cord to make it as narrow as possible, then cut it from the
spool in the center leaving one end already done for the next time) -- then
I use Fray-Check on the ends.  It's long enough to to last for the run of a
show and then trim off the 1/4 or so of the end when it starts to fray, and
re-Fray-Check the newly cut end.


Kate Pinner

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of albert...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:37 AM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question







Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm using
1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon
embroidery.  It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good
alternative.

20 years ago I bought a huge industrial spool of 1/4 cotton twill tape. (I
STILL have tons of it!) I use that and it works well, but the ends do fray.




I think I ordered the spool from Greenburg  Hammer.




http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends

2009-07-27 Thread Käthe Barrows
For corsets I  make I use really big grommets.  So a knot in the end of
whatever I'm using for lacing is fine, fits right through the holes.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote:

 Certainly not period correct, but I use lacing cord-by-the spool from
 Greenberg  Hammer and using a narrow zig-zag stich on the machine, I
 stitch
 about 1.5 down each end a couple of times (actualy I stitch about 3 while
 stretching the cord to make it as narrow as possible, then cut it from the
 spool in the center leaving one end already done for the next time) -- then
 I use Fray-Check on the ends.  It's long enough to to last for the run of a
 show and then trim off the 1/4 or so of the end when it starts to fray,
 and
 re-Fray-Check the newly cut end.


 Kate Pinner

 -Original Message-
 From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
 Behalf Of albert...@aol.com
 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:37 AM
 To: h-cost...@indra.com
 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question







 Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm
 using
 1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon
 embroidery.  It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good
 alternative.

 20 years ago I bought a huge industrial spool of 1/4 cotton twill tape. (I
 STILL have tons of it!) I use that and it works well, but the ends do fray.




 I think I ordered the spool from Greenburg  Hammer.




 http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends

2009-07-27 Thread Becky Rautine

One way to keep the ends from coming out the holes is to allow extra length and 
creating a decorative knot. I'm learning Chinese knotwork and love it for trim 
a well as 'stay-put' knots. SOme people call them frogs but these are the most 
elegant knots I've ever seen. I'm buying this book when I get working again. 
In my Iron Dress working, I have decided to weave my own trim using the Chinese 
knots and a silver/bronze yarn. It will sit on my black linen. It isn't as rich 
looking as the bought trim but I don't want it to be like a nolibily garment. 
SOmeone with some money but not noblity, rich, merchant trader's wife who runs 
her own shop to make those nobility and court gowns. She'd have access to left 
overs and discarded gowns or get paid with embellishments such as imported 
beads or silk threads. It's an idea in progress.

Sincerely,
Rebecca Rautine



 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:46:58 -0700
 From: kay...@gmail.com
 To: h-cost...@indra.com
 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends
 
 For corsets I  make I use really big grommets.  So a knot in the end of
 whatever I'm using for lacing is fine, fits right through the holes.
 
 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote:
 
  Certainly not period correct, but I use lacing cord-by-the spool from
  Greenberg  Hammer and using a narrow zig-zag stich on the machine, I
  stitch
  about 1.5 down each end a couple of times (actualy I stitch about 3 while
  stretching the cord to make it as narrow as possible, then cut it from the
  spool in the center leaving one end already done for the next time) -- then
  I use Fray-Check on the ends.  It's long enough to to last for the run of a
  show and then trim off the 1/4 or so of the end when it starts to fray,
  and
  re-Fray-Check the newly cut end.
 
 
  Kate Pinner
 
  -Original Message-
  From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
  Behalf Of albert...@aol.com
  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:37 AM
  To: h-cost...@indra.com
  Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm
  using
  1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon
  embroidery.  It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good
  alternative.
 
  20 years ago I bought a huge industrial spool of 1/4 cotton twill tape. (I
  STILL have tons of it!) I use that and it works well, but the ends do fray.
 
 
 
 
  I think I ordered the spool from Greenburg  Hammer.
 
 
 
 
  http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/
 
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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends

2009-07-27 Thread Kimiko Small

Just be a merchant trader's wife, as they usually are rich, and involved in 
importing in fine fabrics and other fineries that people bought. A tailor was 
not paid a whole lot to make up those fine fabrics into garments, and was 
considered just a craftsmen. And women didn't seem to be allowed to own their 
own stores, unless they were widows continuing their husband's job. I am 
applying this to England, and it may be even harsher in other countries of the 
time period.

Kimiko

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote:

 garment. SOmeone with some money but not noblity, rich,
 merchant trader's wife who runs her own shop to make those
 nobility and court gowns. She'd have access to left overs



  
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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-26 Thread Sharon Collier
I use corset lacing . You can get it at Lacis. The good thing about it is
that you buy it by the yard, so you can have over 6 yards (typical ribbon
spool) if you want/need it.  

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Laurie Taylor
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:39 PM
To: 'Historical Costume'
Subject: [h-cost] Lacing question

Hi,

Getting ready for Costume College and have a last minute issue.  Could have
asked this on the CGW list, but thought the larger group here might give a
larger range of answers/ideas.

What do you use for lacing your various types of corsets and/or stays?  When
I think about going to the local fabric store and buying the cotton cord
that I would normally use as filling in pipings, I just can't see using it
on stays, especially late 18th/early 19th century.  Rattail certainly would
not work either.  What do you use that isn't too bulky or to hard, or too
prone to slipping out of the tie?

Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm using
1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon
embroidery.  It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good
alternative.

Thanks.

Laurie T.
Phoenix

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread twgilbert
My solution was to use some cotton cording that came with the house when we 
bought it. I'm not sure what the cording would be used for (upholstery, 
perhaps?) as it tends to unravel if you don't tape the ends, but it works quite 
well and lays quite flat. The circumference is about 3/16 of an inch. What's 
nice also is that it doesn't slide around in the hand-sewn eyelets (unlike the 
slippery cording I bought at JoAnn's).

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Maggie
Poly-cotton shoe laces. They're sturdy and come with their own aiglets!
For corsets especially, look around the local skating rink for skate laces.
They're very long and put up with a lot of stress. Since they don't show, I
really don't care what they look like as long as they do the job and don't
slip or come untied. (I don't like double-knotting just in case I might have
to come out of it in a hurry.)

For the side laces on an Elizabethan bodice, I have used plain black laces
for dress shoes. Basically, they don't draw attention to themselves, and
they're just the right size. But more often, I use 1/4 black grosgrain
ribbon with decorative filigree for aiglets.

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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Laurie Taylor
costume...@mazarineblue.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Getting ready for Costume College and have a last minute issue.  Could have
 asked this on the CGW list, but thought the larger group here might give a
 larger range of answers/ideas.

 What do you use for lacing your various types of corsets and/or stays?
  When
 I think about going to the local fabric store and buying the cotton cord
 that I would normally use as filling in pipings, I just can't see using it
 on stays, especially late 18th/early 19th century.  Rattail certainly would
 not work either.  What do you use that isn't too bulky or to hard, or too
 prone to slipping out of the tie?

 Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm
 using
 1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon
 embroidery.  It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good
 alternative.

 Thanks.

 Laurie T.
 Phoenix

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Lavolta Press

I use corset laces or really long boot laces.

I've used narrow silk ribbon, the kind sold for ribbon embroidery, for 
lacing evening bodices. But not for corsets.


Fran
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Laurie Taylor wrote:



What do you use for lacing your various types of corsets and/or stays?  When
I think about going to the local fabric store and buying the cotton cord
that I would normally use as filling in pipings, I just can't see using it
on stays, especially late 18th/early 19th century. 


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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Käthe Barrows
Satin ribbon doesn't stay tied as well as grosgrain does.  Twill tape is
better.

I use shoelaces - really long ones, but I use three laces for my corset -
one for the couple of holes right at the waist, one for all the holes above
it, and one for all the holes below it.  It's the only way I know to keep
the corset from gapping at the waist over the course of a day.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Laurie Taylor
costume...@mazarineblue.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Getting ready for Costume College and have a last minute issue.  Could have
 asked this on the CGW list, but thought the larger group here might give a
 larger range of answers/ideas.

 What do you use for lacing your various types of corsets and/or stays?
  When
 I think about going to the local fabric store and buying the cotton cord
 that I would normally use as filling in pipings, I just can't see using it
 on stays, especially late 18th/early 19th century.  Rattail certainly would
 not work either.  What do you use that isn't too bulky or to hard, or too
 prone to slipping out of the tie?

 Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm
 using
 1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon
 embroidery.  It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good
 alternative.

 Thanks.

 Laurie T.
 Phoenix

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Kimiko Small

Hello Laurie

I have used shoestrings in the past, really long ones. They work well and in my 
use remained hidden so it didn't matter if it looked wrong.

My latest effigy corset, I had made a 7 strand kumihimo style braid that was 
actually a test piece for the technique. Really easy to make up, but it takes 
time. It has a little more stretch than the shoelace, but it was made in blue 
and white strands of cotton embroidery floss, and is surprisingly strong enough 
to handle the tension.

I gave up ribbons some time ago, as they couldn't handle the strain. You can 
also buy corset lacing, which I've also used... bought bulk on a roll from a 
one time source (group buy of corset supplies). I now have more corset boning 
steels than I know what to do with.

Kimiko


--- On Sat, 7/25/09, Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com wrote:

 What do you use for lacing your various types of corsets
 and/or stays?  When
 I think about going to the local fabric store and buying
 the cotton cord



  
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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Laurie Taylor
Marjorie, Maggie, Kathe, Fran and Kimiko,

Please forgive the group reply.  The weekend is flying by too quickly and
there's too much to do before I leave for California Monday morning.

I like the idea of shoe laces or corset laces for corsets, no problem there.
For a pair of pre-Regency/Regency stays, the shoe laces or corset laces
would probably be ok, if I had them on hand.  I think the pattern just
specified cording, and all I could think of was the white cord that many
people use when they need filler for piping.  Just did not like that idea.

I can see the silk ribbon for evening gowns, especially if wider - 1/4 and
no less.  The 1/8 is just too wimpy.  I could also see narrow grosgrain
ribbon, and I think that's what I'll look for to get me through this trip.
Sturdier than the silk ribbon, not as bulky as the plain (piping) cording,
easier to get on short notice than proper corset lacing.

Thanks for the feedback.

Laurie

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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

I use corset laces or really long boot laces.

I've used narrow silk ribbon, the kind sold for ribbon embroidery, for 
lacing evening bodices. But not for corsets.

Fran
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Laurie Taylor wrote:

 
 What do you use for lacing your various types of corsets and/or stays?
When
 I think about going to the local fabric store and buying the cotton cord
 that I would normally use as filling in pipings, I just can't see using it
 on stays, especially late 18th/early 19th century. 

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Käthe Barrows
 I could also see narrow grosgrain
 ribbon, and I think that's what I'll look for to get me through this trip.


And grosgrain ribbon stays tied, which poly-satin ribbon doesn't.  You
probably already know to cut the ends on a diagonal.

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Lynn Downward
Laurie, once you are at Costume College, there ares several vendors who sell
corset ties, black or white. You won't have to worry about it any more.
Let's see: Hedgehog Handworks sells them, as does Farthingale. I'm sure
ther's a couple other places that do too (just in case you don't completely
trust the grosgrain).

LynnD

2009/7/25 Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com

  I could also see narrow grosgrain
  ribbon, and I think that's what I'll look for to get me through this
 trip.


 And grosgrain ribbon stays tied, which poly-satin ribbon doesn't.  You
 probably already know to cut the ends on a diagonal.

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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Becky Rautine

When Iuse a ribbon I melt the ends together with a candle. Then it doesn't come 
unraveled.

Sincerely,
Rebecca Rautine



 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:56:52 -0700
 From: sstormwa...@yahoo.com
 To: h-cost...@indra.com
 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question
 
 
 Hello Laurie
 
 I have used shoestrings in the past, really long ones. They work well and in 
 my use remained hidden so it didn't matter if it looked wrong.
 
 My latest effigy corset, I had made a 7 strand kumihimo style braid that was 
 actually a test piece for the technique. Really easy to make up, but it takes 
 time. It has a little more stretch than the shoelace, but it was made in blue 
 and white strands of cotton embroidery floss, and is surprisingly strong 
 enough to handle the tension.
 
 I gave up ribbons some time ago, as they couldn't handle the strain. You can 
 also buy corset lacing, which I've also used... bought bulk on a roll from a 
 one time source (group buy of corset supplies). I now have more corset boning 
 steels than I know what to do with.
 
 Kimiko
 
 
 --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com wrote:
 
  What do you use for lacing your various types of corsets
  and/or stays?  When
  I think about going to the local fabric store and buying
  the cotton cord
 
 
 
   
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Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Laurie Taylor
Lynn, 

Thanks.  I'll do that for corsets for sure.  For stays, particularly close
to the Regency style, I'll probably experiment with the grosgrain ribbon.
Basically, I've got some experimenting ahead of me.

Laurie

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Lynn Downward
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:59 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

Laurie, once you are at Costume College, there ares several vendors who sell
corset ties, black or white. You won't have to worry about it any more.
Let's see: Hedgehog Handworks sells them, as does Farthingale. I'm sure
ther's a couple other places that do too (just in case you don't completely
trust the grosgrain).

LynnD

2009/7/25 Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com

  I could also see narrow grosgrain
  ribbon, and I think that's what I'll look for to get me through this
 trip.


 And grosgrain ribbon stays tied, which poly-satin ribbon doesn't.  You
 probably already know to cut the ends on a diagonal.

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 --
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 Gibson
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