Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk..... you could try this......
Thanks for your insight, everyone! I think I´ll just leave them the way they are. I hand-rolled the edges - so that´s why I can´t get a test-snippet and why I´d greatly appreciate not to have to replace them. :-) However, I must have used a very weak solution of bleach - the fabric is still in very good condition. At 20:42 04.01.2009, you wrote: Have you tried old fashioned Blueing? Its supposed to cancel out the yellow in clothes(like fro persperation stains and I remember my mom using it on slips that yellowed from chlorine bleach. The termBlue Hair denoting an aged lady was coined from the use of this same laundry blueing as a hair rinse to negate the yellow tinge grey,silver or white hair gets from age and enviorment. I would not,unfortunately, expect those tippets to last very long, theytend to shatter under stress after a bleaching. melody --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Yellowed silk To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 7:13 AM Hello, I have a pair of pongé silk tippets, which turned from white to yellow (like unbleached muslin) after I put them in chlorine bleach. Yes, I know, I shouldn´t have done that, but it was my last try to remove a nasty linnseed-oil-spot... Anyway, does anybody know any trick how to get them white again? I wear them with a blue dress, so they still look like white, but it would be so nice to have them really white again. Any ideas? Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
hey I had forgotten that one of course Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Sun, 1/4/09, albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com wrote: From: albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 9:15 PM In a message dated 1/4/2009 8:03:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@reddawn.net writes: Denture tablets are an old remedy for whitening fabric that has yellowed with age. It also works on yellowed fingernails. They contain peroxide, no? **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
um,precious have you ever done the burntest? silk, and wool both smell like you left the curling iron in your hair too long...very unlike any of the cellulose based products like linen, cotton , the all those fibers tht produce a melted bead of somesort once burned... Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Sun, 1/4/09, albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com wrote: From: albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:50 PM In a message dated 1/4/2009 1:11:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com writes: if I remember correctly, silk has the same chemical make up as human hair. ** I find that hard to believe. Silk comes from caterpillarsit's their cocoon. It has little to do with hair. I'd say what you are trying to remember is WOOL has about the same chemical make up as human hairsince both are hairmade by mammals. **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
yes...but the acid in it also tende to weaken hair shaft nd so moisturising and strignthening with something like an egg and oil poltice( mayonaise) was needed to keep a lot of the hair from becomming unatrctively like straw...not just straw colored I believe Florentine women, especially the courtesannes, were famous for their long flowing golden locks ,along with their pale skins. this was accomplished by roof top( the roofs were falt with stairways leading to them so they could be sued for cool evenng desert parties but also for mid day sunbathing) sunbaths , fully chemised in veiled sun hat with whole in the crown where the hair was pulled through to the the maximu sun. the white veiling mad a sort of make shif tent to protcet the complection .there are all sorts of pictures and woodcuts to this effect. also salt and lemon juice were used as a saitn remover and scrub for spot treting linen and it does work on wool if you dont mind creating just a different sort of spot , now lighter instead. the spot was treated with a paste of the 2 and then set in the sun..I have tried in on redwine stains on fine linen(demonstrating at DullyHistoric site in Dulles VA) and found it to be effective though time consuming, changing out the salt and rewetting it to put it back in the sun repeatedly until the stain faded. Also went home and tried in aon a wool crpet after a interesting prty.same result but took out some of the dies as well. Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Sun, 1/4/09, albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com wrote: From: albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 9:13 PM In a message dated 1/4/2009 6:07:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, c...@juno.com writes: I could be hallucinating, but I recall reading somewhere that vinegar or lemon juice were sometimes used to lighten hair. ** Both acids. And I believe they will also curl it. In ancient Greece I believe fashionable ladies used horse urinepouring it over their hair laid out on special boards out in the sun. That sounds just lovely! **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
Are you sure they're silk? I'm surprised they survived the bleaching at all! MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html Get related Elizabethan goodies at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.dewrote: Hello, I have a pair of pongé silk tippets, which turned from white to yellow (like unbleached muslin) after I put them in chlorine bleach. Yes, I know, I shouldn´t have done that, but it was my last try to remove a nasty linnseed-oil-spot... Anyway, does anybody know any trick how to get them white again? I wear them with a blue dress, so they still look like white, but it would be so nice to have them really white again. Any ideas? Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
if I remember correctly, silk has the same chemical make up as human hair. that being the case, I might try a product for whitening grey hair that has yellowed. perhaps you can take a few snipets from an inside seam allowance to experiment with first before sacrificing the entire piece to experimentation..this is advisable anytime one is searching for a chemical to solve a problem. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Maggie maggi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Maggie maggi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:59 AM Are you sure they're silk? I'm surprised they survived the bleaching at all! MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html Get related Elizabethan goodies at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.dewrote: Hello, I have a pair of pongé silk tippets, which turned from white to yellow (like unbleached muslin) after I put them in chlorine bleach. Yes, I know, I shouldn´t have done that, but it was my last try to remove a nasty linnseed-oil-spot... Anyway, does anybody know any trick how to get them white again? I wear them with a blue dress, so they still look like white, but it would be so nice to have them really white again. Any ideas? Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
In a message dated 1/4/2009 1:11:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com writes: if I remember correctly, silk has the same chemical make up as human hair. ** I find that hard to believe. Silk comes from caterpillarsit's their cocoon. It has little to do with hair. I'd say what you are trying to remember is WOOL has about the same chemical make up as human hairsince both are hairmade by mammals. **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
albert...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2009 1:11:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com writes: if I remember correctly, silk has the same chemical make up as human hair. ** I find that hard to believe. Silk comes from caterpillarsit's their cocoon. It has little to do with hair. I'd say what you are trying to remember is WOOL has about the same chemical make up as human hairsince both are hairmade by mammals. The point here is that both silk and wool are both animal protein fibers, not plant fibers like cotton or linen. The discussion was about using bleach on silk. Bleach dissolves protein fibers. This is the basis of the bleach test for fabrics. If you throw a swatch of wool or silk into a jar of bleach, it will dissolve. Cotton and linen swatches will typically lose their color but remain intact. If the fabric is a blend, you will get some really interesting effects. Only the animal proteins will disappear, so depending on how much of each fiber there is, and whether the fabric is made of two different types of threads or whether the threads themselves are blended, you might get a less-dense fabric, a little tangle of loose fibers, or intact threads lined up neatly in the bottom of the jar. It can take a little while for the bleach to do its work. I suppose that is why you can use certain (weak) bleach products to alter the color of your hair and not end up bald ... but it's certainly not good for your hair. Years ago, I remember a friend of mine telling me she didn't shave her legs, but instead bleached the hair there. She assumed the bleach simply made the hair color lighter so the hair didn't show, but I suspect the bleach treatment she bought actually thinned out the hair on her legs over time. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk..... you could try this......
Have you tried old fashioned Blueing? Its supposed to cancel out the yellow in clothes(like fro persperation stains and I remember my mom using it on slips that yellowed from chlorine bleach. The termBlue Hair denoting an aged lady was coined from the use of this same laundry blueing as a hair rinse to negate the yellow tinge grey,silver or white hair gets from age and enviorment. I would not,unfortunately, expect those tippets to last very long, theytend to shatter under stress after a bleaching. melody --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Yellowed silk To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 7:13 AM Hello, I have a pair of pongé silk tippets, which turned from white to yellow (like unbleached muslin) after I put them in chlorine bleach. Yes, I know, I shouldn´t have done that, but it was my last try to remove a nasty linnseed-oil-spot... Anyway, does anybody know any trick how to get them white again? I wear them with a blue dress, so they still look like white, but it would be so nice to have them really white again. Any ideas? Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
In a message dated 1/4/2009 1:51:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, albert...@aol.com writes: Silk comes from caterpillarsit's their cocoon. It has little to do with hair. Well, silk IS a protein fiber, like wool and hair. However, I think most of the products that brighten yellow hair actually give it a blue cast. It is likely that your fiber, whatever it is, has undergone an irrevsersible chemical change. Not what you want to hear, I know. Ann Wass **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
On Jan 4, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: It can take a little while for the bleach to do its work. I suppose that is why you can use certain (weak) bleach products to alter the color of your hair and not end up bald ... but it's certainly not good for your hair. Years ago, I remember a friend of mine telling me she didn't shave her legs, but instead bleached the hair there. She assumed the bleach simply made the hair color lighter so the hair didn't show, but I suspect the bleach treatment she bought actually thinned out the hair on her legs over time. The bleach to lighten hair is peroxide. If she was using a blonde hair dye, that would work. Too much peroxide can cause damage, but not as fast as fabric bleach. I've used fabric bleach as a quick dirty poison ivy treatment. It dries out the rash really fast, and it's harsher on the skin than hair bleach. As with anything, try it on a swatch first. The yellowed tippets are weakened and will probably need to be replaced. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
In a message dated 1/4/2009 3:48:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, annbw...@aol.com writes: Well, silk IS a protein fiber, like wool and hair. *** Well, there are proteins and proteinsa lot of different kinds that do many different things. But I'm sure something as caustic as chlorine bleach cares little which protein is what so I get your point. Alas, the chemical change that yellowed the silk also ate it away and the silk is now more fragile. Putting more chemicals on it to lighten it will most likely kill it completely. Alas you should probably just replace it. **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
I could be hallucinating, but I recall reading somewhere that vinegar or lemon juice were sometimes used to lighten hair. Arlys On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:00:07 -0500 Carol Kocian aqua...@patriot.net writes: On Jan 4, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: It can take a little while for the bleach to do its work. I suppose that is why you can use certain (weak) bleach products to alter the color of your hair and not end up bald ... but it's certainly not good for your hair. Become a Medical Transcriptionist. Click here to find schedules designed to fit your life. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bxfk1rDGZTn84ljoEVT1IfqT2uyRQ3VNSymZo1ELXMOmys/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Cynthia J Ley wrote: I could be hallucinating, but I recall reading somewhere that vinegar or lemon juice were sometimes used to lighten hair. Both are acids, though mild I would not use them on old silk. Denture tablets are an old remedy for whitening fabric that has yellowed with age. It also works on yellowed fingernails. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
In a message dated 1/4/2009 6:07:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, c...@juno.com writes: I could be hallucinating, but I recall reading somewhere that vinegar or lemon juice were sometimes used to lighten hair. ** Both acids. And I believe they will also curl it. In ancient Greece I believe fashionable ladies used horse urinepouring it over their hair laid out on special boards out in the sun. That sounds just lovely! **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk
In a message dated 1/4/2009 8:03:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@reddawn.net writes: Denture tablets are an old remedy for whitening fabric that has yellowed with age. It also works on yellowed fingernails. They contain peroxide, no? **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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What really worries me is how they discovered this fact :( Sidney ** Both acids. And I believe they will also curl it. In ancient Greece I believe fashionable ladies used horse urinepouring it over their hair laid out on special boards out in the sun. That sounds just lovely! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
