[h2] Re: Main differeces between 1.3 and 1.4 versions
Hi, thanks for some more info. About performance I've came from some opinions here in google group and in H2 website. But I do no have yet direct comparsion. But, when I have some idle time(if ever) i'll do some comparsion on my database (cca 60 tables) and mix about 500 SQL which we use in our app and post result here. Sincerely Petr Holik Dne čtvrtek 20. října 2016 9:49:19 UTC+2 Steve McLeod napsal(a): > > A good summary. Let me add some more info. > > * 1.4 can be used for production same as 1.3 when >> ;MV_STORE=FALSE;MVCC=FALSE is appended to JDBC URL (MVCC is now >> disabled when not using MV_STORE - so potetionally can be omited) >> > > Appending ;MV_STORE=FALSE to the JDBC URL is enough to use the PageStore > (the solid, reliable. database storage mechanism used in H2 1.3. You do > mention this, but let's make it explicit! > > >> * MV_STORE should now have pretty similar performance as old one >> > > I disagree. In my own performance tests, the MV_STORE (as of H2 1.4.192) > becomes much slower on a large database (say, > 1 GB) with many SQL UPDATE > statements. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "H2 Database" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to h2-database+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to h2-database@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/h2-database. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[h2] Re: Main differeces between 1.3 and 1.4 versions
Hello, I definevely agree with the latest version(1.4.192), but you have to decide if to use(or not to use MV_STORE). Which in my opinion depends at least on: 1) Which degree of risk is acceptable for you. MV_STORE is more riskious - is still in beta and many users including me, are afraid of using beta in production 2) Do you need the features provided by MV_STORE 3) Performance test - if performance is an issue for you. Make test on your typical HW (MV_STORE should be good for SSDs) and typical workload. I've using H2 for about 5 years and it's pretty good and fast (compared to Derby which I've used before). But its definitely not bug free :( I've had about 100 installation of H2 which varies in size from 10MB - 1GB and I've encountered some bugs(which are now probably fixed) 1) Non functional unique key constraits 2) Not using indexes on same simple SQL stament which as prepared statems was executes in about 2ms and as not prepared staments takes few seconds - when I have time I am going to test it on 1.4 3) Terrible performannce and size requirements (20x size of data of source h2 db) if using linked tables and performing large dataset SQLs against linked tables 4) Not using indexes for sorting in reverse order So please do not take this as criticism of H2 its definitely awesome product. I've just want to say if you going to be used beta features or features which is not widely used/tested(linked tables/cluster mode/MVCC) be prepared to facing bugs. I personally am slowly migrating my 100 installations to from various version 1.3.X (ranging from 152) to latest 1.4.192 with disabled MV_STORE. For me realibility is criticial. I have in DB some sort of financial data. BTW.: I think if you are using pagestore via JDBC then it would be possible to use MV_STORE via the map api together(but not via JDBC in same JVM) (if you want to have rock solid store for JDBC data and feature full store for other data) Sincerely Petr Holik Dne čtvrtek 20. října 2016 9:49:39 UTC+2 Steve McLeod napsal(a): > > Only the latest (H2 1.4.192) > > On Tuesday, 18 October 2016 23:44:43 UTC+2, Adam McMahon wrote: >> >> Good info here >> >> So, what version of 1.4x would you use in your production environment. >> I use pagestore for JDBC, but am also going to be integrating MVSTORE via >> the map api (not JDBC) using its OffHeapStore. What version would you >> recommend. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Adam >> >> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 4:24:33 PM UTC-4, Petr Holík wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I've done some investigation of relation between 1.3(stable) >>> and1.4(beta) - Hope it somebody helps to pick proper version for conrete >>> suits. >>> Please feel free to correct me: >>> >>> * Development of version 1.3 is discontinued - all bugs found are fixed >>> only in 1.4 version >>> * Git branch tagged version1.3 only contains snapshot of released >>> sources of particular 1.3 versions and there is not and WILL NOT be any >>> further development >>> * 1.4 is Beta because of new MV_STORE which is default since 1.4.177 >>> AND because of MVCC enabled >>> * 1.4 can be used for production same as 1.3 when >>> ;MV_STORE=FALSE;MVCC=FALSE is appended to JDBC URL (MVCC is now >>> disabled when not using MV_STORE - so potetionally can be omited) >>> * MV_STORE has few data corruption issues but since 2015-10-11 is >>> there was no new one >>> * MV_STORE should now have pretty similar performance as old one but >>> delivers some new cool Map-Like features, which can be used >>> directly. >>> * There are no _unfixed known bugs_ on MV_STORE but there still exists >>> few open data corruption bugs related to this store(which may or may not be >>> caused by it) >>> >>> >>> Sincerely Petr Holik >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "H2 Database" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to h2-database+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to h2-database@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/h2-database. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[h2] Re: Main differeces between 1.3 and 1.4 versions
Only the latest (H2 1.4.192) On Tuesday, 18 October 2016 23:44:43 UTC+2, Adam McMahon wrote: > > Good info here > > So, what version of 1.4x would you use in your production environment. I > use pagestore for JDBC, but am also going to be integrating MVSTORE via the > map api (not JDBC) using its OffHeapStore. What version would you > recommend. > > Thanks, > > -Adam > > On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 4:24:33 PM UTC-4, Petr Holík wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I've done some investigation of relation between 1.3(stable) and1.4(beta) >> - Hope it somebody helps to pick proper version for conrete suits. >> Please feel free to correct me: >> >> * Development of version 1.3 is discontinued - all bugs found are fixed >> only in 1.4 version >> * Git branch tagged version1.3 only contains snapshot of released >> sources of particular 1.3 versions and there is not and WILL NOT be any >> further development >> * 1.4 is Beta because of new MV_STORE which is default since 1.4.177 AND >> because of MVCC enabled >> * 1.4 can be used for production same as 1.3 when >> ;MV_STORE=FALSE;MVCC=FALSE is appended to JDBC URL (MVCC is now >> disabled when not using MV_STORE - so potetionally can be omited) >> * MV_STORE has few data corruption issues but since 2015-10-11 is there >> was no new one >> * MV_STORE should now have pretty similar performance as old one but >> delivers some new cool Map-Like features, which can be used >> directly. >> * There are no _unfixed known bugs_ on MV_STORE but there still exists >> few open data corruption bugs related to this store(which may or may not be >> caused by it) >> >> >> Sincerely Petr Holik >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "H2 Database" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to h2-database+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to h2-database@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/h2-database. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[h2] Re: Main differeces between 1.3 and 1.4 versions
A good summary. Let me add some more info. * 1.4 can be used for production same as 1.3 when > ;MV_STORE=FALSE;MVCC=FALSE is appended to JDBC URL (MVCC is now disabled > when not using MV_STORE - so potetionally can be omited) > Appending ;MV_STORE=FALSE to the JDBC URL is enough to use the PageStore (the solid, reliable. database storage mechanism used in H2 1.3. You do mention this, but let's make it explicit! > * MV_STORE should now have pretty similar performance as old one > I disagree. In my own performance tests, the MV_STORE (as of H2 1.4.192) becomes much slower on a large database (say, > 1 GB) with many SQL UPDATE statements. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "H2 Database" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to h2-database+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to h2-database@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/h2-database. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[h2] Re: Main differeces between 1.3 and 1.4 versions
Good info here So, what version of 1.4x would you use in your production environment. I use pagestore for JDBC, but am also going to be integrating MVSTORE via the map api (not JDBC) using its OffHeapStore. What version would you recommend. Thanks, -Adam On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 4:24:33 PM UTC-4, Petr Holík wrote: > > Hello, > > I've done some investigation of relation between 1.3(stable) and1.4(beta) > - Hope it somebody helps to pick proper version for conrete suits. > Please feel free to correct me: > > * Development of version 1.3 is discontinued - all bugs found are fixed > only in 1.4 version > * Git branch tagged version1.3 only contains snapshot of released sources > of particular 1.3 versions and there is not and WILL NOT be any further > development > * 1.4 is Beta because of new MV_STORE which is default since 1.4.177 AND > because of MVCC enabled > * 1.4 can be used for production same as 1.3 when > ;MV_STORE=FALSE;MVCC=FALSE is appended to JDBC URL (MVCC is now disabled > when not using MV_STORE - so potetionally can be omited) > * MV_STORE has few data corruption issues but since 2015-10-11 is there > was no new one > * MV_STORE should now have pretty similar performance as old one but > delivers some new cool Map-Like features, which can be used > directly. > * There are no _unfixed known bugs_ on MV_STORE but there still exists > few open data corruption bugs related to this store(which may or may not be > caused by it) > > > Sincerely Petr Holik > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "H2 Database" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to h2-database+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to h2-database@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/h2-database. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
