RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread Schlehuber, Cameron
I thought something like that had already been done when folks were finding router problems trying to get to the VA Demo? Joel Ivey did the magic on that re-work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, September 24,

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
How difficult would it be to modify the source code so that a specific port is used for the call back, rather than a random port. I would think that finding the code would the difficult part. But after found, I would think that specifying a given port would be straightforward. Kevin --- CS Wag

RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread David Sommers
I caught that part - I just don't like WMs (I'm assuming the workstation version) used for production use in that manner since you have to: a) leave the server logged in with the VM session (each one) started and running b) handle security level access for each system c) buy an OS for each instance

[Hardhats-members] Re: VistA Community Call Notes - September24, 2004

2004-09-24 Thread Crawford Rainwater
Comments below. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "K.S. Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <...snipped...> > > On the call, I asked about the vendor organization that is being created > by a small number of vendors (Claudine gave their names as HP, Perot > Systems, DSS, Oleen, InterSystems Medsphere an

RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread David Sommers
That just sucks. Don't want to be too professional about it but when a hospital can't provide their staff with the best tool to get the job done - then what's the point? They should help you setup your VPN and then support it. There are always alternatives that can be placed into production with

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread Pat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David, I think what is being suggested it the VM+ desktop run on the server and the X session is forwarded to the remote box. Similar to a citrix set up, just less costly well, except for the VMWare if that's whats used. Now if the CPRS on WINE become f

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 14:59, CS Wagner wrote: [KSB] <...snip...> > As for VMWare et al, that is not allowed with this project. I had to > fight a major uphill battle to get them to allow purchasing Windows to > run the GUI version of CPRS. The initial project plan requested a free > OS for b

RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread David Sommers
Not sure a VM on a *nix desktop will work - sounds like the problem is network level access between the servers and clients. A linux box would still have the same problem and the same level of access as a pure windows box. If tunneling is the option that linux gives you, there are options just li

RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Community Call Notes - September24, 2004

2004-09-24 Thread Beron, Claudine
I appreciate Bhaskars concern about another organization being developed. That said, as I stated in the call, there is no reason to fear/or fight over something that is still in discussions. The VistA Software Alliance, as it is being called currently will be a fee based membership organization.

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread steven mcphelan
I do not believe a text version is a viable option unless you are willing to live the version of VistA you implement and plan to not install any of the VistA patches that are released subsequent to that date. Also, you realize that the CPRS developers stopped putting enhancements and improvements

RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread David Sommers
For the price and setup of that - Terminal Server licenses may be in the same range as well. Not sure. And if you do go with VMs, use Win 98 as it doesn't eat as much away from the host. /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K.S. Bhask

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread CS Wagner
That is great. I'll get the non-gui version and see how that flies. As for the VPNs, I don't have a choice there. The hospital only allows their VPN to be used. They monitor the network for rogue VPN activity and shut down the ports of any VPN listeners. If I were to set up my own VPN on the

RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread Nancy Anthracite
You believe you will find documentation for the non GUI version of CPRS in the www.va.gov/vdl web site right next to the CPRSGui documentation - CPRS List Managers Version is it I think. John Zimmer is a fan of the non-GUI interface as I recall. CPRSGui did not come into existance until the mid-9

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Community Call Notes - September24, 2004

2004-09-24 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 13:41, Beron, Claudine wrote: [KSB] <...snip...> > There will also be panel discussion which include: > * Systems & Capacity Management > * OpenSource and VistA (Workshop/Panel) > * VistA Software Lifecycle I presume multiple panel discussions is meant? Also I

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Shaun -- Here is an alternative proposal. On the VistA server machine, or better yet, on another PC inside the server firewall, run VMWare. For every user that wants to run the CPRS GUI, fire up a Windows guest within which the CPRS GUI will run. This Windows guest will run a TightVNC (http://t

RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread David Sommers
You have at least two more options depending on your resources (but it sounds like your fighting against your IT group on this one). Many hospitals use Terminal Services so that you can basically access a server's desktop (for use by end users - no server end tools) and then host the application

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread CS Wagner
I would be interested in looking at a text version of CPRS, but it is my understanding that CPRS does not allow you to add patients. So, I will still need to set up accounts in Vista for the clerks to SSH in and easily add patients as well as add visits for existing patients. With a text vers

[Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Community Call Notes - September 24, 2004

2004-09-24 Thread Beron, Claudine
VistA Community Call Notes 1-866-639-4718 Access 9185610 September 24, 2003 Attendees: Maury Pepper Joseph Dal Molin David Whitten Chris Richardson Rodney Kay Crawford Rainwater Tom Stelter Dee Knapp Tom Akerman Phyllis Orr Rober Witkop K.S. Bhaskar Brian Lord Gordon Morsehead Summer Chase Mark ?

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
There is a text version of the CPRS if you can connect to your server via telnet or ssh. Let me know if you are interested. Its probably not what people want right now. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our problem is that we have a firewall on our > network where the Vista >

RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread Gordon Moreshead
Shaun, You probably do not have to take such drastic measures. Call me at 801-474-1600 ext. 227 Gordon Moreshead -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hardhats-

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread CS Wagner
Our problem is that we have a firewall on our network where the Vista server is. The client side has a firewall also where CPRS is. CPRS requires a connection from the server to the client on a randomly generated port. To allow for that, we'd have to basically remove the entire client-side f

Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
What is the issue regarding your network security...it will be good to know should others have a similar setup? And dumb question...did you try setting up a VPN and tunneling...?? Joseph On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:32, CS Wagner wrote: > It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network

[Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS

2004-09-24 Thread CS Wagner
It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see once gtm s

Re: [Hardhats-members] VT100 web site

2004-09-24 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
You can also throw multiple video cards in unused PCI/ISA slots on your PC, and attach a monitor to each one. Throw in some USB keyboards and mice, and you have a computer system that can run Gnome/KDE (or other X window manager) for multiple concurrent users. You will have to fiddle /etc/X11/XF8

Re: [Hardhats-members] VT100 web site

2004-09-24 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
Back to the future??? Thinking out loud. Interesting sitemakes one wonder what it would cost to build a terminal today, $50 ?, and whether the stage is set for a resurgence in some application areas given their simplicity and reliability etc. PC's are overkill in many hospital departments. In

[Hardhats-members] VT100 web site

2004-09-24 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Users of VistA / MUMPS, as well as nostalgia buffs, may find http://vt100.net informative. -- Bhaskar *** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s)

[Hardhats-members] GTM/Mumps string length limitation for Xdialog

2004-09-24 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
When working with the Xdialog file, I have run up against the limitation of string length. The Xdialog command expects all the data for the dialog to follow as command-line options. When building up dialog with a list of options etc, it doesn't take much to get 250+ characters. Suprisingly, I se