GHC 8.2.2 for WSL Ubuntu 16.04 64 bit

2018-02-13 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I have made available a build of GHC 8.2.2 with the config option: --disable-large-address-space You may find this useful if you are using Ubuntu 16.04 on Windows Subsystem for Linux. https://github.com/zoominsoftware/ghc-8.2.2-wsl Although Microsoft has been making gradual progress on the

Re: How to get a heap visualization

2017-09-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Joachim, first and foremost, thanks for the awesome libraries ghc-vis and ghc-heap-view. The design trade-offs for ghc-vis do make sense if you think of it as a didactic tool. But as a debugging tool, the most important factor is that it should "Just Work", with no big builds, no fiddling, no

Re: How to get a heap visualization

2017-08-31 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: >> I need a simple heap visualization for debugging purposes... >> Vacuum... has some long-outstanding PRs against it... >> that were never applied... >> Getting ghc-vis to compile looks hopeless... >> ghc-heap-view... is there a quick and simple >> visualizer for its output, without

How to get a heap visualization

2017-08-30 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I need a simple heap visualization for debugging purposes. I'm using GHC 8.0.2 to compile a large and complex yesod-based web app. What's the quickest and easiest way? Vacuum looks simple and nice. But it has some long-outstanding PRs against it to support GHC 7.10 and GHC 8.0 that were never

Unused import warning on re-export

2017-05-10 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I have a module A with no export list, and a function f which from the API point of view should part of the export list of A. But f must be defined in module B, not module A, due an import cycle. I added this line in module A to re-export f from A: import B as A (f) This resulted in an unused

Re: [Haskell] [Haskell-cafe] Help wanted with Wiki.Haskell.Org

2015-04-21 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Gershom wrote: ...the HaskellWiki ...requires care and maintenance and contributions from all of us. I replied to this in the reddit thread at: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/339qxm/haskellcafe_help_wanted_with_wikihaskellorg/ Short summary: 1) Account Creation Management I

Re: GHC 7.4.2 on Ubuntu Trusty

2014-12-28 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Resurrecting this thread: My impression was that Edward's suggestion was a simple and obvious solution to the problem of previous GHC versions quickly becoming orphaned and unbuildable. But Austin thought that this thread was stuck. Would Edward's suggestion be difficult to implement for any

Re: GHC 7.4.2 on Ubuntu Trusty

2014-10-28 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: This thread makes it clear what a mess we have inherited from the days when GHC was primarily a research compiler. Let's face it - GHC is now also a serious production compiler, and this urgently needs to be cleaned up. hvr wrote: Are you referring to the GMP dependency or something

GHC 7.4.2 on Ubuntu Trusty

2014-10-22 Thread Yitzchak Gale
In order support some older software that we released, we need to get a working GHC 7.4.2 on Ubuntu Trusty. We currently have GHC 7.8.3. The binary tarball for GHC 7.4.2 does not install on Trusty due to multiple incompatibilities. For example, GHC requires GMP 3, but Trusty only provides GMP =

Re: GHC 7.4.2 on Ubuntu Trusty

2014-10-22 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: How do I get a working GHC 7.4.2 on Trusty? Thanks to all for the suggestions. Daniel Trstenjak wrote, off-list: I can only recommend: https://launchpad.net/~hvr/+archive/ubuntu/ghc Thanks Daniel! I hadn't looked at Herbert's ppa for a while. Despite the comments, which say it is

Re: Linux deployment requirements for GHC-produced binaries

2013-10-09 Thread Yitzchak Gale
You may need to resort to strace to find out what's trying to pull in libgmp.so.whatever. I don't know how to do that. And anyway, I don't have access to the machine on which the customer is reporting this. I do believe the report - there is no compilation going on here, they are only running

Linux deployment requirements for GHC-produced binaries

2013-10-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
We received a complaint from one of our customers that the Linux executable for one of our products - compiled using GHC - does not run because of libgmp not being installed on their server. This binary was compiled using GHC 7.4.2 (HP 2012.4.0.0). We hope to be migrating soon to GHC 7.6.3 (HP

Re: Linux deployment requirements for GHC-produced binaries

2013-10-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi Brandon, Thanks for your response and explanation. I wrote: [For] GHC-compiled binaries... what are the exact requirements we need to communicate to our customers? You wrote: Ideally you would use `ldd` on binaries to determine other dynamic dependencies that must be communicated ldd

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Lifting IO actions into Applicatives

2013-10-01 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Tom Ellis wrote: Shouldn't it be an *Applicative* constraint? class Applicative t = ApplicativeIO t where liftIO :: IO a - t a and require that liftIO (pure x) = pure x liftIO (f * x) = liftIO f * liftIO x Seems like ApplicativeIO makes more sense than MonadIO, which

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Lifting IO actions into Applicatives

2013-10-01 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Dan Burton wrote: From what you've said, it sounds like you can already write: serverSide :: IO a - Form a This seems elegant enough to me for your needs. Just encourage it as an idiom specific to Forms. myBlogForm = Blog $ titleForm * serverSide getCurrentTime * contentsForm

32-bit libs required for 64-bit install

2013-08-25 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I had trouble installing the generic 64-bit Linux tarball for 7.6.3. With some help from Ian, who pointed out that the problem was related to ld-linux.so, I finally figured out the root of the problem: the installation requires *both* the 64-bit and 32-bit versions of libc6 plus deps to be

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Problem with mailman at projects.haskell.org

2013-05-13 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The mailman daemon process on the server apparently exited for some reason. I restarted it, and now mail traffic seems to be going through normally again. -Yitz On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Carter Schonwald carter.schonw...@gmail.com wrote: I've had this problem too. Was trying to sign up

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Problem with mailman at projects.haskell.org

2013-05-13 Thread Yitzchak Gale
, Tim Docker t...@dockerz.net wrote: Thanks - I can confirm all is working again. I believe than, within some time window. some messages may have been dropped. Tim On 14/05/13 07:06, Yitzchak Gale wrote: The mailman daemon process on the server apparently exited for some reason. I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GSoC Project Proposal: Markdown support for Haddock

2013-04-09 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Johan Tibell wrote: I suggest that we implement an alternative haddock syntax that's a superset of Markdown. Here is a previous thread on this exact topic, from five years ago: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2008-February/039846.html It mentions a few additional shades of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Recursive timezone-loading function

2012-11-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi David, David Thomas wrote: https://github.com/dlthomas/tzcache A small bit of code, but seems likely to be useful enough that I figured I should share. Thanks for sharing this! 1) Does this already exist somewhere I missed? I haven't seen it anywhere. 2) It seems silly to make

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Adding to / subtracting from a LocalTime?

2012-08-19 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Adde Nilsson wrote: Ok, do you know of any way to add/subtract without converting to UTC and back? Brandon Allbery wrote: I'm not sure I'd do that in any environment, since usually libraries don't deal with the result crossing a daylight/summer time change (and those that do, surprise

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Platform Versioning Policy: upper bounds are not our friends

2012-08-16 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: A substantial number of the difficulties I am encountering are related to packages specifying upper bounds on their dependencies. This is a recurrent problem, and its source lies in the recommendations of the PVP itself I think the PVP recommendation is good, though

Re: GADTs in the wild

2012-08-15 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Simon Peyton-Jones wrote: This message is to invite you to send me your favourite example of using a GADT to get the job done. Ideally I’d like to use examples that are (a) realistic, drawn from practice (b) compelling and (c) easy to present without a lot of background. Last year I

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-25 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi Simon, First of all, I'm sorry if I'm coming off as too combative, as Greg says. That is certainly not my intention. I'm not asking for any free work from you, either. The only reason I don't like using OverloadedStrings for typing string literals as Text and ByteString is that when you turn

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-25 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Erik Hesselink wrote: I don't think IsString should be dismissed so easily. I'm just saying I don't want to be forced to use it. If others like it, I'm not dismissing it. we have a couple of newtypes over Text that do different kinds of normalization. An IsString instance for these is useful

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: In addition, OverloadedStrings is unsound. J. Garrett Morris wrote: fromString can throw errors, just like fromInteger This is true; the use of polymorphism for numeric literals is also unsound. However, in practice, it is rare for there to be dangerous instances of the numeric type

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Greg Weber wrote: I very much agree with you. However, when we complain about something essentially we are asking others to prioritize it ahead of other things. I don't think any more visibility of this issue is going to improve its prioritization. I suspect your only way forward right now is

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
J. Garrett Morris wrote: By this logic, head is unsound, since head [] throws an error. Haskell types are pointed; Haskell computations can diverge. Well, there are those who would actually agree with that and banish 'head' and friends from the language. But I'll agree with you here. [As an

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Michael Snoyman wrote: Here's a theoretically simple solution to the problem. How about adding a new method to the IsString typeclass:    isValidString :: String - Bool ...whenever GHC applies OverloadedStrings in a case where the type is fully known at compile time (likely the most common

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Markus Läll wrote: What can go wrong when you use an overloaded string to be fromString'd into Text? Here's an example: The author of the xml-types package provides an IsString instance for XML names, so you can conveniently represent XML names as string literals in your source code. But not

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Simon Peyton-Jones wrote: If you want validation of literal strings, then TH quasiquotes are the way to go: I agree. OverloadedStrings is, in effect, an unsafe replacement for quasiquotes. People find OverloadedStrings easier to use than quasiquotes, so its use in that way is becoming popular.

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Markus Läll wrote: You do know, that you already *can* have safe Text and ByteString from an overloaded string literal. Yes, the IsString instances for Text and ByteString are safe (I hope). But in order to use them, I have to turn on OverloadedStrings. That could cause other string literals

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Daniel Peebles wrote: Why are potentially partial literals scarier than the fact that every value in the language could lead to an exception when forced? That's a legitimate question, but it's strange to hear it from you. People ask that same question about Haskell's static type system. Why

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Simon Marlow wrote: In this thread people are using the term safe to mean total.  We already overload safe too much, might it be a better idea to use total instead? I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't see how this thread has anything to do with total vs. partial functions. I'm

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Is protocol-buffers package maintainer reachable?

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Johan Tibell wrote: If Chris is indeed out of the loop we should find a new maintainer. Mark and I are also interested in the future of protocol buffers in Haskell. Also, Chris is the maintainer of some regex packages that are in the Haskell Platform. -Yitz

Re: default instance for IsString

2012-04-23 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Jeremy Shaw wrote: I have often wished for something like: {-# LANGUAGE StringLiteralsAs Text #-} where all string literals like: f = foo would be translated to: f = (fromString foo :: Text) Agreed, I would also really like this. I find that OverloadedStrings is too general

Re: String != [Char]

2012-03-27 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ben Millwood wrote: No-one's yet argued against OverloadedStrings. I think there /is/ an argument to be made, that it introduces ambiguity and could break existing programs (probably we can extend defaulting to take care of this, but I think there are people who'd be happier if we killed

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Problems installing Data.Encoding package

2012-03-04 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Pēteris Paikens wrote:  I'm stuck at trying to get Data.Encoding package functional. Cabal gives the following error message: This is caused by a problem with the cabal file in the encoding package. Often it causes the entire GHC package system to get confused, as pointed out by Brandon. The

Re: ghci 7.4.1 no longer loading .o files?

2012-02-27 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Evan Laforge wrote: Is there something that changed in 7.4.1 that would cause it to decide to interpret .hs files instead of loading their .o files?  E.g.: Brandon Allbery wrote: I thought this was deliberate because the debugger won't work with object files? Oh I hope not.  I almost never

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data newtype differences. Today: strictness

2012-01-22 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Yves Parès wrote: Is there some litterature expliciting in a less empiric way than I did the differences like this between data and newtype? I've never come against such documentation through all my learning of Haskell, yet I think it's an important point. Roman Cheplyaka wrote: See the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Serializing UTCTimes

2012-01-21 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Bas van Dijk wrote: What's the recommended way for serializing (with the cereal package) an UTCTime? Serialize the Day part as an Integer using toModifiedJulianDay/ModifiedJulianDay, (Note that Day is not a constructor, it's just the name of the type.) Serialize the DiffTime as a Rational, as

Re: Records in Haskell

2012-01-17 Thread Yitzchak Gale
By the way, thanks to Greg for driving this discussion, please keep up the good work! Simon Peyton-Jones wrote: Can you turn your proposal into a Wiki page? OK I'll try to get to that later today.  It's different to Johan's. Oh? I didn't realize that. OK, I'll look at it more closely. I'm

Re: [Haskell-cafe] OpenAL bindings?

2012-01-07 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Jason Dagit wrote: Looks like the repo [1] for the OpenAL bindings that Sven Panne created [2] is no longer available. I assume this is a result of The Great Server Outage of 2011 [3]. [1] http://darcs.haskell.org/packages/OpenAL/ [2]

Re: ghc-cabal-Random

2012-01-01 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: Today, it is very unusual to use GHC by itself. To use Haskell, you install the Haskell Platform. That is GHC together with Cabal and a basic set of libraries. It is very easy to install. Wolfram Kahl wrote: However, since you are willing and able to test bleeding-edge versions of

Re: Records in Haskell

2011-12-31 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Gershom Bazerman wrote: Beyond that, it would really help namespacing in general to appropriately extend the module system to allow multiple modules to be declared within a single file -- or, better yet, submodules. I know that this introduces a few corner cases that need to be thought through

Re: ghc-cabal-Random

2011-12-31 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Serge D. Mechveliani wrote: I have  ghc-7.4.0.20111219  made from source and tested it on the DoCon-2.12 application -- thanks to people for their help! It looks all right. This was -- with skipping the module Random Now it remains to add the Random package. I have taken  AC-Random Version

Re: [Haskell-cafe] DB vs read/show for persisting large data

2011-12-14 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Yves Parès wrote: (^^ Michael just outposted [1] me). [1] I don't know if there is such a word. Sorry, I'm french. If there wasn't before, there is now. It's a great word! (Et je suis en effet un anglophone.) -Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] No instance for (Read POSIXTime)

2011-12-12 Thread Yitzchak Gale
dokondr wrote: All I actually need is some way to get *seconds* since epoch from the system, so I could manipulate them as integers. Well, you already have that - that's exactly what POSIXTime is. It is a numerical type, an instance of the RealFrac class. So perhaps you can do all of your

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Splitting off many/some from Alternative

2011-12-12 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Gregory Crosswhite wrote: could we split the some/many methods out from Alternative?  They simply don't make sense except in a subset of possible Alternatives --- in most cases they just result in an infinite loop... That is a very good point. I would be in favor of such a change, even though

Re: [Haskell-cafe] No instance for (Read POSIXTime)

2011-12-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
dokondr wrote: When I try to read POSIXTime... No instance for (Read POSIXTime)... What should I do to provide Read instance for POSIXTime? Short answer: if you are thinking about this as a moment in time that could be parsed from the usual kind of string representation for that, you probably

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why doesn't this work? (palindrome :: IO)

2011-12-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Brandon Allbery wrote: case () of   () | s == reverse s - putStrLn palindrome   _                   - putStrLn nope Tom Murphy wrote: This is kind of a hack of case, though. I think what the OP was looking for is  isPalindrome word   | (word == reverse word) = putStrLn (word ++ is a

Re: Why not allow empty record updates?

2011-11-16 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: Yes. The translation of record updates given in the Report makes perfect sense for {}. It is only forbidden by n = 1, but no reason is given for that restriction. d wagner wrote: It doesn't make sense to me. The translation explodes a value into a case statement over its

Re: Why not allow empty record updates?

2011-11-15 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Simon Peyton-Jones wrote: Trouble is, what type does this have?       f x = x {} Malcolm Wallace wrote: Empty record patterns {} are permitted, even for types that are not declared with named fields. So I don't see why an empty record update should require the type to be declared with named

Re: Why not allow empty record updates?

2011-11-15 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Simon Peyton-Jones wrote: Trouble is, what type does this have?   f x = x {} Malcolm Wallace wrote: f :: a - a Ian Lynagh wrote: That wouldn't help the original poster, as it is incompatible with f :: Foo Clean - Foo Dirty Only because in that expression the type of x is not known.

[Haskell-cafe] 1p function for NonEmpty

2011-11-15 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi Edward, I started @telling you on #haskell, but it has become too long for that. :) The following functions would be nice additions to Data.List.NonEmpty in the semigroups package: replicate1p :: Whole n = n - a - NonEmpty a take1p :: Whole n = n - NonEmpty a - NonEmpty a splitAt1p :: Whole

Re: [Haskell-cafe] 1p function for NonEmpty

2011-11-15 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: The following functions would be nice additions to Data.List.NonEmpty in the semigroups package... Here are two more requests: maximum, minimum :: Ord a = NonEmpty a - a Two more unsafe Prelude functions become safe! Thanks, Yitz ___

Re: [Haskell-cafe] timezone-series, timezone-olson dependencies

2011-11-10 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ben Gamari wrote: Is there a reason why the current version of the timezone-series and timezone-olson packages depend on time1.3? With time 1.4 being widely used at this point this will cause conflicts with many packages yet my tests show that both packages work fine with time 1.4. Could we

Re: behaviour change in getDirectoryContents in GHC 7.2?

2011-11-07 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Simon Marlow wrote: It would probably be better to have an abstract FilePath type and to keep the original bytes, decoding on demand.  But that is a big change to the API and would break much more code.  One day we'll do this properly; for now we have this, which I think is a pretty reasonble

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time zones and IO

2011-11-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ben Gamari wrote: Recently I've been working on an iCalendar parser implementation with support for recurrence rules. For the recurrence logic, I've been relying on Chris Heller's excellent time-recurrence package. Unfortunately, it seems we have both encountered great difficulty in cleanly

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage feature request: E-mail author when a package breaks

2011-11-01 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: This would be nice. However, there would have to be a way for it to be turned on and off by the author. (Spam is not nice.) Ketil Malde wrote: This is where it stranded the last time, IIRC.  That sentiment makes me a bit uneasy; so you are the official maintainer of a package on

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage feature request: E-mail author when a package breaks

2011-10-31 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Gregory Crosswhite wrote: could [Hackage] have a feature where when a working package breaks with a new version of GHC the author is automatically e-mailed? This would be nice. However, there would have to be a way for it to be turned on and off by the author. (Spam is not nice.) Thanks, Yitz

Re: [Haskell-cafe] blanket license for Haskell Platform?

2011-10-25 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Eric Y. Kow wrote: So I'm combining Haskell software with some non-free/closed source work. I was wondering what sort of effort it would take to organise a blanket license for everything in the Haskell Platform, and whether it would be worthwhile to anybody... - My user is concerned that a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell

2011-10-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Daniel Fischer wrote: Just for the record, not a newcomer, and has non-spam messages Conrad Parker wrote: There was a recent hotmail exploit, with people reporting their account sent spam... No exploit is needed. It is trivial for an impostor to seem as if he is sending email from someone

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?

2011-10-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Dmitri wrote: I need to call Stanford NLP Parser from Haskell (unfortunately Haskell does not have a similar one)... Just out of curiosity, why do you not consider GF at all similar? To an outsider like me, there does appear to be quite a bit of similarity. http://www.grammaticalframework.org/

Re: Two Proposals

2011-10-04 Thread Yitzchak Gale
George Giorgidze wrote: My second proposal is to introduce the OverloadedLists extension that overloads list literals... I am opposed to this proposal as stated. But I think that with a modification, it can not only be improved, but also solve the problems with the current OverloadedStrings

Re: Two Proposals

2011-10-04 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Roman Leshchinskiy wrote: In general, if we are going to overload list literals then forcing the desugaring to always go through lists seems wrong to me. There are plenty of data structures where that might result in a significant performance hit. These are literals. So the lists will almost

Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell i18n best practices

2011-10-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Thanks for all the great information provided in this thread. The wiki page that Paulo originally linked had Vasyl's fantastic documentation for using his hgettext package, but it did not mention any of the other methods we discussed. I moved the gettext documentation to its own linked page and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] instance Enum Double considered not entirely great?

2011-09-26 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Chris Smith wrote: class Ord a = Range a where... Before adding a completely new Range class, I would suggest considering Paul Johnson's Ranged-sets package: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/Ranged-sets Ranges have many more natural operations, and interactions with other classes, than you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Attoparsec: Limiting Parsers to N Bytes, or Combing Parsers?

2011-09-26 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Evan Laforge wrote: hex2 = (+)$  ((*16)$  higit)*  higit higit = subtract (fromEnum '0')$  satisfy isHexDigit color = Color$  hex2*  hex2*  hex2 Twan van Laarhoven wrote: How is subtract (fromEnum '0') supposed to convert a hex digit to an Int or Word8? I think you need digitToInt (or an

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Solving the configuration problem with parametrized modules

2011-09-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Joachim Breitner wrote: ...Usually in Haskell, you’d determine them in the main function and then pass them in an argument to all functions needing them, or you wrap that in a monad... The big downside is the verbosity of the approach: A lot of parameters need to be passed, and if one such

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal #3339: Add (+) as a synonym for mappend

2011-08-14 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Brandon Allbery wrote: Anything useful has to be modified to depend on SemiGroup as well to get mconcat or its replacement; that's why you jumped the proposal to begin with Not at all. Types with Monoid instances need an additional instance, a Semgroup instance, in order to be able to use

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New releases and BSD3 license

2011-08-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Thanks for the more permissive licenses. And most of all, thanks for all your great work on HDBC as maintainer. Thanks and good luck to Nicolas. Regards, Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Contacting Planet Haskell admins

2011-07-17 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi Michael, Don is no longer involved in planet AFAIK. The administrator of planet-haskell is Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho. I'll send you his email address off list. Regards, Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Typeable class is changing

2011-07-12 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: Please respond to this thread if you own a package that will be affected by this change. Responding to my own request, here are some more packages that use mkTyCon explicitly: Ashley Yakeley's time package, which is part of the Haskell Platform. My timezone-series package, because it

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Typeable class is changing

2011-07-12 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Jon Fairbairn wrote: There’ll be a replacement for mkTycon (mkTycon3), so you can still do manual instances… Right, it should be easy to fix manual Typeable instances. It's just that if no action is taken, they will eventually break. So it's good to make sure that there is public awareness, and

[Haskell-cafe] The Typeable class is changing

2011-07-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Simon Marlow has announced[1] on the Haskell Libraries list that the Typeable class is changing. The standard way to create a Typeable instance is just to derive it. If you do that, you will not be affected by this change. But it seems that many packages create Typeable instances by explicitly

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Time

2011-07-04 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: Not exactly. A TimeZone in Data.Time doesn't really represent a time zone - it represents a specific clock setting in a time zone. Ashley Yakeley wrote: I still regret this! I should have called it TimeOffset or somesuch. Oh, it's not your fault. Every other time library in the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Fwd: Data.Time

2011-07-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ashley, heads up! I am CCing you on this message because I think a problem has been found with Data.Time.Format. Please see below. Daniel Patterson wrote: I've found most of the time library to be quite useful, but the parsing to be worthless The API for parsing and rendering time in Data.Time

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Time

2011-07-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Joe Healy wrote: One of the points I found non obvious were the fact that local time is just that. There is no knowledge of the actual timezone in the data type. If you wish to store that, it needs to be stored alongside. Erik Hesselink wrote: Isn't that what ZonedTime [1] is for? Not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Time

2011-07-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Oops, forgot the references: ZoneSeriesTime in the timezone-series package[1]... To get a TimeZoneSeries, representing a time zone with all of its known clock changes throughout history and some years into the future, use the timezone-olson package[2]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Fwd: Data.Time

2011-07-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ashley Yakeley wrote: This was fixed in time-1.2.0.5. From the haddock for parseTime: Supports the same %-codes as formatTime, including %-, %_ and %0 modifiers. Great, glad to hear this was recently fixed. I installed the latest version of the time package, and it works. It is important to

Quoting a quasi-quote

2011-06-30 Thread Yitzchak Gale
It was pointed out by Ben Millwood on the Cafe that there is an undocumented way to escape the closing oxford bracket of a quasi-quote using a backslash: [s|This quasi-quote contains this, \|], an escaped closing oxford bracket.|] The backslash itself cannot be escaped in this way: [s|Also

Re: [Haskell] ANNOUNCE: string-qq-0.0.2

2011-06-30 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ben Millwood wrote: I once spent some time and energy making [foo| bar baz |\] quux |] do the right thing for a quasiquoter I implemented, only to discover that GHC already supports [foo| bar baz \|] quux |]. So yes, you can escape it. Wow, that actually works. That is very surprising,

Re: [Haskell] ANNOUNCE: string-qq-0.0.2

2011-06-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Steffen Schuldenzucker wrote: Btw., does TH parse this correctly? (If I was TH, I would not): myPHPCode = [s| ?php $description = Use the quasiquoter like this: [s|some text|]; print $description.\n; ? |] (the tricky part is |] occurring in the quoted text) Can we escape it? Yes, like

Re: [Haskell] ANNOUNCE: string-qq-0.0.2

2011-06-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Steffen Schuldenzucker wrote: * Embed Haskell into some other language is solved by Literate Haskell * Embed some other language into Haskell is solved by heredocs Dave Bayer wrote: Nice pairing. I wrote my own literate preprocessor, which GHC gracefully accepts, to accomplish both of these

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Possible bug in GHC 7.0.3

2011-06-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ryan Ingram wrote: So this is definitely a GHC bug, but I think the problem is probably triggered by this line: instance  Serializable a b = IResource a I don't think this is a valid instance declaration without a functional dependency on Serializable, as it's impossible to know which type

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Possible bug in GHC 7.0.3

2011-06-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Daniel Fischer wrote: No, the instance head is just a type variable, not a type constructor applied to type variables Oops, you're right. GHC was telling the truth, I should have paid closer attention! Fixing my minimal example, I get: {-# LANGUAGE MultiParamTypeClasses, UndecidableInstances

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Time

2011-06-27 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Tony Morris wrote: I recently set out to write a library that required a decent time library. Having only had a flirt with Data.Time previously, I assumed it would be robust like many other haskell libraries. I don't know about consensus, but I have been massively let down. I won't go in to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC 7.0.3 / Win32: Data.Time library?

2011-06-15 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Dmitri O.Kondratiev wrote: I have: ds1 = 10/11/2009 7:04:28 PM ds2 = 10/17/2009 8:48:29 AM t1 = readTime defaultTimeLocale %m/%d/%Y %l:%M:%S %p ds1 :: UTCTime t2 = readTime defaultTimeLocale %m/%d/%Y %l:%M:%S %p ds2 :: UTCTime dif = diffUTCTime t2 t1 I need to: 1) Find how many complete

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC 7.0.3 / Win32: Data.Time library?

2011-06-14 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Dmitri O.Kondratiev wrote: It would also help to see a simple example of parsing 10/11/2009 7:04:28 PM to  time and date objects. Let's assume that 10/11/2009 means October 11, as in the U.S. Then you can use: import System.Locale (defaultTimeLocale) import Data.Time thatMoment :: Maybe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] SIGPLAN Programming Languages Software Award

2011-06-09 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The SIGPLAN Programming Languages Software Award For 2011, the winners of the award are Simon Peyton Jones and Simon Marlow of Microsoft Research, Cambridge, for GHC Congratulations! Well deserved recognition for visionary ideas backed by so many years of hard work. -Yitz

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Attoparsec concatenating combinator

2011-06-07 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: Now that I think of it: in principle, you could write a specialised concat that would check the pointer/offset/length combinations of its arguments and, if they all abutted perfectly, would just return a new view into that same array, sans copying. Gregory Collins

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-07 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: You almost never want to use UndecidableInstances when writing practical programs in Haskell. When GHC tells you that you need them, it almost always means that your types are poorly designed, usually due to influence from previous experience with OOP. wren ng thornton wrote:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Scott Lawrence wrote: I'm modelling text in a markov-model-like way. I have an actual markov model (albeit one in which X_n depends on a fixed range X_n-1 .. X-n-k). I'm vaguely anticipating the presence of other models:  class Model m a | m - a where    lexemes :: m - Set a    genFunc :: m

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: You almost never want to use UndecidableInstances when writing practical programs in Haskell. When GHC tells you that you need them, it almost always means that your types are poorly designed, usually due to influence from previous experience with OOP. Gábor Lehel wrote: Are you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Scott Lawrence wrote: But... this prevents me from storing more information in a Model in the future. While I don't really anticipate needing too (I can see this function covering all likely use cases), it does seem sorta restrictive. I tend not to think about storing information inside of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Scott Lawrence wrote:  type Model a = (Ord a) = Set a -- the set of lexemes                         - [a] -- the original text to model                         - [a] -- list of previous lexemes                         - ProbDist a -- the next lexeme and then  entropy :: Model a - Set a -

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Gregory Collins wrote: Surprisingly enough, mtl uses UndecidableInstances, so almost every practical Haskell program uses it in one way or another. The library uses it, you don't use it directly in your program. Anyway, transformers does the job when you need to build on the basic monad

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How to install GhC on a Mac without registering?

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Chris Smith wrote:  I had to abandon a plan to introduce Haskell in a class I taught this past semester [12 to 13 years old] because of issues with getting it installed on the Macintosh laptops that some of the students had. Truth is, you obviously don't need support for FFI development in

[Haskell-cafe] ANN: dtd-text DTD parser and renderer, V0.1.1.0

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The dtd-text package[1] provides a parser and renderer for XML DTDs. It implements most of the parts of the W3C XML specification relating to DTDs, and is compatible with versions 1.0 and 1.1 of the specification.[2] The parser and renderer operate on Haskell DTD objects from the dtd-types[3]

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