Re: [Haskell] Guidelines for respectful communication

2018-12-10 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
There is a wide spectrum of bad faith behaviour. It may be simply not caring if one causes harm ("recklessness", if you like), through attempts to undermine the culture of a space or community, to attempts to cause people material harm. The wider Haskell community has witnessed all of these,

Re: [Haskell] Guidelines for respectful communication

2018-12-10 Thread Jean-Marie Gaillourdet
Hi On 10.12.18 12:12, Alex Silva wrote: On 10/12/2018 12:06, Jerzy Karczmarczuk wrote: The intelligence is crucial here. It is not democratically distributed [[my goodness, am I already insulting people?!]], so we will always need Constitutions, Catechisms, sportmanship rules, etc., even

Re: [Haskell] Guidelines for respectful communication

2018-12-10 Thread Alex Silva
Hi, On 10/12/2018 12:06, Jerzy Karczmarczuk wrote: The intelligence is crucial here. It is not democratically distributed [[my goodness, am I already insulting people?!]], so we will always need Constitutions, Catechisms, sportmanship rules, etc., even without the accompanying  "criminal

Re: [Haskell] Guidelines for respectful communication

2018-12-10 Thread Jerzy Karczmarczuk
Le 09/12/2018 à 19:03, Richard Eisenberg a écrit : What this email seems to suggest to me is that our guidelines assume good faith, and yet some participants act in bad faith. I agree this is not well accounted-for in the guidelines. ... I don't really think that Philippa Cowderoy's warning

Re: [Haskell] Guidelines for respectful communication

2018-12-09 Thread Richard Eisenberg
What this email seems to suggest to me is that our guidelines assume good faith, and yet some participants act in bad faith. I agree this is not well accounted-for in the guidelines. (However, the guidelines were designed with the GHC Steering Committee in mind, where members join by way of a

Re: [Haskell] Guidelines for respectful communication

2018-12-07 Thread Ben Lippmeier
> On 7 Dec 2018, at 6:47 pm, Jonathan Lange wrote: > > In particular, her suggestion about pairing guidelines for respectful > communications with guidelines for what to do when things break down is an > excellent one, and has worked well in other communities to help those on the > fringes

Re: [Haskell] Guidelines for respectful communication

2018-12-06 Thread Jonathan Lange
I normally lurk here, but I agree with Philippa, and am grateful to her for saying what I was thinking. In particular, her suggestion about pairing guidelines for respectful communications with guidelines for what to do when things break down is an excellent one, and has worked well in other

Re: [Haskell] Guidelines for respectful communication

2018-12-06 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
I lack the energy to contribute to GHC directly, but these guidelines are far too easy to abuse by someone acting in bad faith and we know that bad faith actors have been adjacent to our community and acted on things that have taken place within it. From where I'm sitting, guidelines like

[Haskell] Guidelines for respectful communication

2018-12-06 Thread Simon Peyton Jones via Haskell
Friends As many of you will know, I have been concerned for several years about the standards of discourse in the Haskell community. I think things have improved since the period that drove me to write my Respect email,