FW: [Haskell-cafe] RE:Cross-over from Haskell.org [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-05-02 Thread Taillefer, Troy (EXP)
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 5:35 PM To: Taillefer, Troy (EXP) Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] RE:Cross-over from Haskell.org [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell? Taillefer, Troy (EXP) wrote: I really dislike Perl as a programming language

FW: [Haskell-cafe] RE:Cross-over from Haskell.org [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-05-02 Thread Taillefer, Troy (EXP)
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 5:35 PM To: Taillefer, Troy (EXP) Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] RE:Cross-over from Haskell.org [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell? Taillefer, Troy (EXP) wrote: I really dislike Perl as a programming language

Re: FW: [Haskell-cafe] RE:Cross-over from Haskell.org [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-05-02 Thread Michael T. Richter
no need to get all touchy-feely about this. Perl is popular so it must have some merit. So is Crack. I still won't smoke it, though. I don't subscribe to the flawed reasoning that Perl Hackers just don't know any better or that they are dumb, or intellectual inferior in some

Re: FW: [Haskell-cafe] RE:Cross-over from Haskell.org [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-05-02 Thread ajb
G'day all. Quoting Michael T. Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ummm... Udo? Just what the fuck did you hope to accomplish with this kind of talk? Guys, could we keep it civil on the list, please? And for the record: http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html Cheers, Andrew Bromage

Re: FW: [Haskell-cafe] RE:Cross-over from Haskell.org [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-05-02 Thread Donald Bruce Stewart
ajb: G'day all. Quoting Michael T. Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ummm... Udo? Just what the fuck did you hope to accomplish with this kind of talk? Guys, could we keep it civil on the list, please? And for the record: http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html I'd like

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-30 Thread Simon Marlow
Rafael wrote: Hi HTTP. We also need better availability of libraries, and a more standard and reliable way to install them and specify their dependencies. We could also do with a good debugger. These are being addressed by the Google Summer of Code project. Hi Neil, a good debugger ? What is

[Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-30 Thread Rafael
I'll study these ways to debugging Haskell, and in accordance with my final work plan I'll decide the better way to follow.. For the moment i'm studing Haskell things, but in the next times I'll might decide it. A lot of thanks Neil and Simon. On 4/30/07, Simon Marlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[Haskell-cafe] RE:Cross-over from Haskell.org [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-30 Thread Taillefer, Troy (EXP)
to borrow some Ebonics Don't language Hate Appreciate Troy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Udo Stenzel Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell

RE: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-28 Thread Michael T. Richter
On Fri, 2007-27-04 at 15:37 -0400, Taillefer, Troy (EXP) wrote: I really enjoy Functional programming (at least until I try to do something serious then frustration sets in). I can't produce software in a timely and cost effective fashion without a large body of high quality, documented and

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-28 Thread Donald Bruce Stewart
ttmrichter: On Fri, 2007-27-04 at 15:37 -0400, Taillefer, Troy (EXP) wrote: I really enjoy Functional programming (at least until I try to do something serious then frustration sets in). I can't produce software in a timely and cost effective fashion without a large body of high

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-28 Thread mike clemow
On 4/27/07, Taillefer, Troy (EXP) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] By the way Mike thanks you just totally cheered me up I guess I just needed to sit back and think about what I have learned and how valuable it is to me. There had to be some reason you were still hanging around on this list.

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-28 Thread Udo Stenzel
Michael T. Richter wrote: I wish I knew the language better so I could start working on those libraries. Which ones? those libraries cannot come into existence until someone says what's actually missing. (The bulk of CPAN is crap and is certainly not worth being reimplemented.) -Udo --

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-28 Thread Neil Mitchell
Hi HTTP. We also need better availability of libraries, and a more standard and reliable way to install them and specify their dependencies. We could also do with a good debugger. These are being addressed by the Google Summer of Code project. In addition we could do will a million bindings to

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-28 Thread Rafael
Hi HTTP. We also need better availability of libraries, and a more standard and reliable way to install them and specify their dependencies. We could also do with a good debugger. These are being addressed by the Google Summer of Code project. Hi Neil, a good debugger ? What is in Google

RE: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-28 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
Simon | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taillefer, Troy | (EXP) | Sent: 27 April 2007 22:32 | To: haskell@haskell.org | Subject: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell? | | | Mike, | | It has affected my Java/C/C

[Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-28 Thread Neil Mitchell
Moving to haskell-cafe@ ... Hi Neil, a good debugger ? What is in Google Summer of Code about it ? Updating Hat, www.haskell.org/hat - see http://code.google.com/soc/haskell/about.html I was studing about debuging techs for haskell to build a nice debugging enviorment in HIDE or some other

[Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Al Falloon
Taillefer, Troy (EXP) wrote: Java sense (i.e. cut out any feature that can't be understood in five minutes by a chimp) Got to love comments like this they are constructive, objective, mature and accurate. Glad we have your expert opinion to give us the gospel. Can I get an amen? How about

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Freitag, 27. April 2007 18:18 schrieb Al Falloon: […] IOW: Java's advanced features are separable from its basic features. I.e. you can teach Java without teaching generics or anonymous inner classes. In Haskell, OTOH, you can't even learn how to do IO without learning Monads, or at least

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Johannes Waldmann
I.e. you can teach Java without teaching generics or anonymous inner classes. but you shouldn't - if you can teach the type-correct use of arrays (it's done for decades), then you can teach generic collections (at least their proper usage), and what's the problem with the anonymous class

RE: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Taillefer, Troy (EXP)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Falloon Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:19 PM To: haskell@haskell.org Cc: haskell@haskell.org Subject: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell? Taillefer, Troy (EXP) wrote: Java sense

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread mike clemow
, 2007 12:19 PM To: haskell@haskell.org Cc: haskell@haskell.org Subject: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell? Taillefer, Troy (EXP) wrote: Java sense (i.e. cut out any feature that can't be understood in five minutes by a chimp) Got to love comments like

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Tony Morris
mike clemow wrote: Troy, As a Java chimp embarking on the Haskell journey myself, I'd be interested in hearing about specific ways that learning Haskell has changed the way you program Java. How do you employ the very interesting concepts that you have learned through your study of

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Derek Elkins
Tony Morris wrote: mike clemow wrote: Troy, As a Java chimp embarking on the Haskell journey myself, I'd be interested in hearing about specific ways that learning Haskell has changed the way you program Java. How do you employ the very interesting concepts that you have learned through your

[Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Taillefer, Troy (EXP)
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike clemow Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:16 PM To: haskell@haskell.org Subject: Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell? Troy, As a Java chimp embarking on the Haskell journey myself, I'd be interested

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Albert Y. C. Lai
Derek Elkins wrote: And then you come to Haskell and you -can- say, Give me the something that is not there yet. Please give me the libraries that are not there yet! *duck* ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Derek Elkins
Albert Y. C. Lai wrote: Derek Elkins wrote: And then you come to Haskell and you -can- say, Give me the something that is not there yet. Please give me the libraries that are not there yet! *duck* We wait for people to need the libraries, then a large amount of delayed work is forced.

Re: [Haskell] Re: Newbie: what are the advantages of Haskell?

2007-04-27 Thread Johan Henriksson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Al Falloon wrote: Taillefer, Troy (EXP) wrote: Java sense (i.e. cut out any feature that can't be understood in five minutes by a chimp) Got to love comments like this they are constructive, objective, mature and accurate. Glad we have