[Haskell-cafe] parallel-haskell mailing list
Hi everybody, I thought I should point out that there is a mailing list dedicated to parallelism and concurrency in Haskell. The group exists to bring together the various groups in the Haskell community that are working on parallelism. It is intended to provide some visibility into the various efforts and to encourage collaboration. So if you want to know what's going on in the parallel Haskell world, this is the place to hang out. You can join the list by sending an email to parallel-haskell+subscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit the group on the web at http://groups.google.com/group/parallel-haskell Or for those of you who prefer GMane http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.parallel Enjoy! Eric -- Got news for the Parallel Haskell Digest? Send a mail to e...@well-typed.com! pgp2azpIL6ffL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Creating a new Haskell mailing list
I'm interested in creating a list for iPhone development. While I also have an ongoing iPhone build target project, which I will be open-sourcing very soon, I'd like the list to be about Haskell on iPhone without regard to whether it has anything to do with my project. Ryan On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 03:06, Wolfgang Jeltsch g9ks1...@acme.softbase.orgwrote: Am Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2009 16:21 schrieb Henning Thielemann: Ryan Trinkle schrieb: Hi all, I'm interested in starting a mailing list on haskell.org http://haskell.org. Who should I talk to about such things? Is it a mailing list related to a project? Then you may request a project on community.haskell.org, then you can start a mailing list at yourproj...@project.haskell.org See http://community.haskell.org/. Best wishes, Wolfgang ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Creating a new Haskell mailing list
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:38:54 -0400, Ryan Trinkle ryant5...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm interested in starting a mailing list on haskell.org. Who should I talk to about such things? One way is to propose the mailing list on the Haskell mailing list (see the Haskell Info Page at http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell and The Haskell Archives at http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/), and then move the discussion, after a few rounds, to this mailing list (the Haskell-Cafe mailing list). (Haskell-Beginners was created in this manner, for example.) -- Benjamin L. Russell -- Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com http://dekudekuplex.wordpress.com/ Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725 Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. -- Matsuo Basho^ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Creating a new Haskell mailing list
Most likely, if you propose your new mailing list (on the Haskell mailing list), the discussion will focus on whether it will be likely to gather enough posts to stay reasonably active. While the definition of reasonably active differs depending on the individual, it is likely to mean somewhere between an average of several posts per week to one or two per day. Your proposal will be more likely to pass if you can demonstrate a reasonably strong demand for active discussion in the Haskell community. Alternatively, it is possible to create a Haskell-related mailing list that is not hosted at haskell.org. Haskell-Art (see the haskell-art Info Page at http://lists.lurk.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-art and The haskell-art Archives at http://lists.lurk.org/pipermail/haskell-art/) is one example of such a list. You may wish to see the following sites for reference: haskell.org Mailing Lists http://haskell.org/mailman/listinfo Mailing lists - HaskellWiki http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Mailing_lists -- Benjamin L. Russell On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:16:14 -0400, Ryan Trinkle ryant5...@gmail.com wrote: I'm interested in creating a list for iPhone development. While I also have an ongoing iPhone build target project, which I will be open-sourcing very soon, I'd like the list to be about Haskell on iPhone without regard to whether it has anything to do with my project. Ryan On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 03:06, Wolfgang Jeltsch g9ks1...@acme.softbase.orgwrote: Am Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2009 16:21 schrieb Henning Thielemann: Ryan Trinkle schrieb: Hi all, I'm interested in starting a mailing list on haskell.org http://haskell.org. Who should I talk to about such things? Is it a mailing list related to a project? Then you may request a project on community.haskell.org, then you can start a mailing list at yourproj...@project.haskell.org See http://community.haskell.org/. Best wishes, Wolfgang ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com http://dekudekuplex.wordpress.com/ Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725 Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. -- Matsuo Basho^ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Creating a new Haskell mailing list
Am Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2009 16:21 schrieb Henning Thielemann: Ryan Trinkle schrieb: Hi all, I'm interested in starting a mailing list on haskell.org http://haskell.org. Who should I talk to about such things? Is it a mailing list related to a project? Then you may request a project on community.haskell.org, then you can start a mailing list at yourproj...@project.haskell.org See http://community.haskell.org/. Best wishes, Wolfgang ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Creating a new Haskell mailing list
Ryan Trinkle schrieb: Hi all, I'm interested in starting a mailing list on haskell.org http://haskell.org. Who should I talk to about such things? Is it a mailing list related to a project? Then you may request a project on community.haskell.org, then you can start a mailing list at yourproj...@project.haskell.org ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Creating a new Haskell mailing list
Hi all, I'm interested in starting a mailing list on haskell.org. Who should I talk to about such things? Thanks, Ryan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] Mailing List Archive: Search Broken?
apfelmus wrote: Janis Voigtlaender wrote: when searching through gmane, and selecting a single message with a hit, one gets only to see that message without its context thread. At least I could not find out a way to switch from the found message to the thread in which it occurred. The subject line is a hyperlink that points to the context thread of the message (which is displayed with frames). ... only in the case of haskell.cafe, but not for haskell.general. (see my response to Calvin Smith on the cafe list) Actually, in the case of haskell.general, it seems to work if and only if the current message is the first one in a thread. Ciao, Janis. -- Dr. Janis Voigtlaender http://wwwtcs.inf.tu-dresden.de/~voigt/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] Mailing List Archive: Search Broken?
apfelmus wrote: Janis Voigtlaender wrote: when searching through gmane, and selecting a single message with a hit, one gets only to see that message without its context thread. At least I could not find out a way to switch from the found message to the thread in which it occurred. The subject line is a hyperlink that points to the context thread of the message (which is displayed with frames). ... only in the case of haskell.cafe, but not for haskell.general. (see my response to Calvin Smith on the cafe list) Actually, in the case of haskell.general, it seems to work if and only if the current message is the first one in a thread. Ciao, Janis. -- Dr. Janis Voigtlaender http://wwwtcs.inf.tu-dresden.de/~voigt/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] Mailing List Archive: Search Broken?
Janis Voigtlaender wrote: apfelmus wrote: The subject line is a hyperlink that points to the context thread of the message (which is displayed with frames). only in the case of haskell.cafe, but not for haskell.general. (see my response to Calvin Smith on the cafe list) Actually, in the case of haskell.general, it seems to work if and only if the current message is the first one in a thread. Oh! That used to work in haskell.general, too. Hm, it does seem to work for messages after August 2007. Looks like the search homunculus is on strike... Regards, apfelmus ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell] Mailing List Archive: Search Broken?
Hi, it seems that something is wrong with the search on http://www.mail-archive.com/haskell@haskell.org/ Only messages from Nov and Dec 2007 are found, no matter what search phrases and date ranges are given. Worked yesterday and delivered search results over the whole history of the archive. Same for haskell-cafe. Anyone knows what is going on? Thanks, Janis. -- Dr. Janis Voigtlaender http://wwwtcs.inf.tu-dresden.de/~voigt/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] Mailing List Archive: Search Broken?
voigt: Hi, it seems that something is wrong with the search on http://www.mail-archive.com/haskell@haskell.org/ Only messages from Nov and Dec 2007 are found, no matter what search phrases and date ranges are given. Worked yesterday and delivered search results over the whole history of the archive. Same for haskell-cafe. Anyone knows what is going on? I always use gmane, via: http://news.gmane.org/search.php?match=haskell ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] Mailing List Archive: Search Broken?
Don Stewart wrote: voigt: Hi, it seems that something is wrong with the search on http://www.mail-archive.com/haskell@haskell.org/ Only messages from Nov and Dec 2007 are found, no matter what search phrases and date ranges are given. Worked yesterday and delivered search results over the whole history of the archive. Same for haskell-cafe. Anyone knows what is going on? I always use gmane, via: http://news.gmane.org/search.php?match=haskell The problem with this is that when searching through gmane, and selecting a single message with a hit, one gets only to see that message without its context thread. At least I could not find out a way to switch from the found message to the thread in which it occurred. The search facility on www.mail-archive.com is much nicer in that respect, but as mentioned, as of yesterday seems to have forgotten about all messages prior to November 2007, and from 2008. Too bad... Ciao, Janis. -- Dr. Janis Voigtlaender http://wwwtcs.inf.tu-dresden.de/~voigt/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
[Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] Mailing List Archive: Search Broken?
Don Stewart wrote: voigt: Hi, it seems that something is wrong with the search on http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Only messages from Nov and Dec 2007 are found, no matter what search phrases and date ranges are given. Worked yesterday and delivered search results over the whole history of the archive. Same for haskell-cafe. Anyone knows what is going on? I always use gmane, via: http://news.gmane.org/search.php?match=haskell The problem with this is that when searching through gmane, and selecting a single message with a hit, one gets only to see that message without its context thread. At least I could not find out a way to switch from the found message to the thread in which it occurred. The search facility on www.mail-archive.com is much nicer in that respect, but as mentioned, as of yesterday seems to have forgotten about all messages prior to November 2007, and from 2008. Too bad... Ciao, Janis. -- Dr. Janis Voigtlaender http://wwwtcs.inf.tu-dresden.de/~voigt/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] Mailing List Archive: Search Broken?
On 02/14/2008 11:13 PM, Janis Voigtlaender wrote: Don Stewart wrote: voigt: I always use gmane, via: http://news.gmane.org/search.php?match=haskell The problem with this is that when searching through gmane, and selecting a single message with a hit, one gets only to see that message without its context thread. At least I could not find out a way to switch from the found message to the thread in which it occurred. The search facility on www.mail-archive.com is much nicer in that respect, but as mentioned, as of yesterday seems to have forgotten about all messages prior to November 2007, and from 2008. Too bad... Ciao, Janis. I removed [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the recipients. It is possible to get to the thread-view of a message from just the bare message page. For example, if I turn up http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/8046 in a google search, which takes me to the article without context, I then click on the linked subject of the message, which redirects me to http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/8044/focus=8046, which is the threaded view. It still doesn't seem to allow you to get to other threads before and after the given thread, but at least you can view the entire thread of the message you found. It's definitely not very intuitive. Cheers, Calvin ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] Mailing List Archive: Search Broken?
Calvin Smith wrote: On 02/14/2008 11:13 PM, Janis Voigtlaender wrote: Don Stewart wrote: voigt: I always use gmane, via: http://news.gmane.org/search.php?match=haskell The problem with this is that when searching through gmane, and selecting a single message with a hit, one gets only to see that message without its context thread. At least I could not find out a way to switch from the found message to the thread in which it occurred. The search facility on www.mail-archive.com is much nicer in that respect, but as mentioned, as of yesterday seems to have forgotten about all messages prior to November 2007, and from 2008. Too bad... Ciao, Janis. I removed [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the recipients. It is possible to get to the thread-view of a message from just the bare message page. For example, if I turn up http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/8046 in a google search, which takes me to the article without context, I then click on the linked subject of the message, which redirects me to http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/8044/focus=8046, which is the threaded view. It still doesn't seem to allow you to get to other threads before and after the given thread, but at least you can view the entire thread of the message you found. It's definitely not very intuitive. And the funny thing is that I tried just that yesterday, to no avail. Now I found that it does work for haskell.cafe, but not for haskell.general, which I tried yesterday. Strange. (The problem on mail-archive affects both lists haskell-cafe and haskell proper.) Thanks for the solution at least for haskell-cafe! Ciao, Janis. -- Dr. Janis Voigtlaender http://wwwtcs.inf.tu-dresden.de/~voigt/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell] Haskell mailing list archive
Dear Haskellers Does anyone have a complete archive of Haskell mailing list messages between May 1998 and October 2000 On the latter date we moved to mailman, hosted at haskell.org, so there are archives at haskell.org. I have a complete archive up to May 1998, courtesy of Thomas Johnsson. (I guess I should put it on haskell.org somewhere.) But there's a gap where there seems to be nothing. One reason for asking is that in 1998 there was a long debate about Monad/MonadZero, which is a current topic on the the Haskell list. We'd be better informed if we had the old threads to look at. Simon ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
[Haskell] The Haskell mailing list
Folks Can anyone remember when the Haskell mailing list first opened? Does anyone have an archive that goes right back to the beginning? Simon ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] The Haskell mailing list
Simon Peyton-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone remember when the Haskell mailing list first opened? Does anyone have an archive that goes right back to the beginning? I don't have a complete archive, but I do have some stored messages dating back to 10 Jan 1995. A humourous 1st April 1993 posting is archived on various websites (the infamous Haskerl project). The archives at www.mail-archive.com only go back to March 1997, and those on haskell.org back to Sept 1999. Regards, Malcolm ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] The Haskell mailing list
Simon Peyton-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone remember when the Haskell mailing list first opened? Does anyone have an archive that goes right back to the beginning? In my news archives (which start 9 Feb 92, shortly after we got an internet connection back there :-) I found the Haskell 1.2 announcement, which refers to a mailing list: | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (john peterson) | Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1992 18:27:21 GMT | Newsgroups: comp.lang.functional | Subject: Haskell Report version 1.2 and tutorial now available | | [...] | | A mailing list for general discussions about Haskell is reachable in | one of two ways: | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | To be added to the above mailing list, send mail to either | [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], | whichever is the nearer site to you. Please do not post | administrative requests direct to the mailing list. To inquire about | implementation status, send mail to one of the addresses mentioned in | the preface of the report. (One of the next messages: | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Will Partain) | Date: 30 Mar 92 08:46:57 GMT | Newsgroups: mail.haskell,comp.lang.functional | Subject: glorious Glasgow Haskell compiler, 0.06, PATCH 1 ;-) Wolfram ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] The Haskell mailing list
Simon, Can anyone remember when the Haskell mailing list first opened? Does anyone have an archive that goes right back to the beginning? The attached posting to the fp mailing list, dated 2 April 1990, included the announcement of the new haskell mailing list. Colin R From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr 2 14:38:46 1990 Via:08006001/FTP.MAIL; 3 Apr 1990 13:46:21 GMT Original-Via:40010180/FTP.MAIL; 2 Apr 1990 19:31:12-BST Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 10:38:46 EDT Resent-Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 10:38:46 EDT From: Paul Hudak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Release of Haskell Report Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Announcing The Haskell Report Version 1.0 1 April 1990 The Haskell Committee, formed in September 1987 to design a common non-strict purely functional language, has (finally) completed its work and wishes to announce a Report about the language. Several preliminary versions of the Report were released to get feedback, and many changes have been incorporated since the first release in December '88. The current release will remain STABLE for at least one year. You may get the report via anonymous FTP: from Yale: from Glasgow: ftp nebula.cs.yale.edu ftp cs.glasgow.ac.uk (or ftp 128.36.13.1) login: anonymouslogin: guest password: anonymous password: your username type binary type binary cd pub/haskell-report cd FPhaskell-report get report-1.0.tar.Zget report-1.0.tar.Z get report-1.0.dvi.Zget report-1.0.dvi.Z get report-1.0.ps.Z get report-1.0.ps.Z quitquit The .tar file contains the source document in Unix tape archive format; alternatively the .dvi or .ps files may be used for printing only. All of the files are in compress format; to uncompress them type uncompress filename at the Unix shell. The report is over 100 pages long and has been formatted for double-sided copying. Alternatively, you may get a hard copy by: Sending $10 to: Sending 5 pounds to: The Haskell Project The Haskell Project Department of Computer Science Department of Computing Science Yale University University of Glasgow Box 2158 Yale StationGlasgow G12 8QQ New Haven, CT 06520 USA SCOTLAND Two implementations of Haskell will soon be available, one built at the University of Glasgow, the other at Yale University. Watch this space for announcements. Finally, we hope to fix, improve and clarify the current Haskell design through graceful evolution and with your help. To this end, several mailing lists have been set up: 1) A common mailing list for general discussions about Haskell. This list is reachable in one of two ways: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) To be added to the above mailing list, or to inquire about the implementation status of Haskell, send mail to either: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] (whichever is the nearer site to you). 3) The implementation efforts at Glasgow and Yale will have their own mailing lists for users of the respective systems. These will be announced at the time the implementations are released. ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
[Haskell-cafe] RE: [Haskell] mailing list headaches
On 08 September 2005 17:53, Glynn Clements wrote: Frederik Eaton wrote: However, threading by References, which RFC 2822 says SHOULD be possible, and which works on my other folders, doesn't work well on Haskell mailing lists. Presumably the issue is that there are a large number of Windows users with strange mail clients which don't insert References headers. It isn't so much that there are a large number of such users, but that two of the core developers are among them (and are both employed by Microsoft, so RFC-conformance probably isn't an option). Yes, this is partially our fault. When using Outlook through Exchange, the In-Reply-To header isn't generated at all. Outlook via SMTP works fine, though. I reported the bug several years ago, let's see if Office 12 fixes it :) Cheers, Simon ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell] mailing list headaches
Tomasz Zielonka ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Nice, thanks! BTW, could you also share the configuration you use to
split e-mails into folders? Do you use procmail for this?
I use maildrop, here is part of my .mailfilter:
if ( /^X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ || /^X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ge\.net/ )
{
log --- haskell-related mailing list ---
to |maildir ${MAIL}/IN-L-haskell/
}
logging part is, of course, optional and I put all the haskell-related
email in the same folder.
I fetch mail with getmail - http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/ - which
invokes different filters, e.g. virus-scanning, spam-assassin and uses
maildrop as MDA.
Sincerely,
Gour
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Re: [Haskell] mailing list headaches
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 08:39:29AM +0200, Tomasz Zielonka wrote: On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:46:42PM -0700, Frederik Eaton wrote: Hi all, Hi! After some weeks of squinting, I've ended up settling with the following partial solution in my configuration files (I use Mutt): set strict_threads=yes folder-hook folders/haskell set strict_threads=no folder-hook folders/libraries set strict_threads=no folder-hook folders/glasgow-haskell set strict_threads=no folder-hook folders/glasgow-haskell-bugs set strict_threads=no Nice, thanks! BTW, could you also share the configuration you use to split e-mails into folders? Do you use procmail for this? Ooh, no, I don't use procmail. I don't like procmail at all. I wrote my own set of scripts in perl. I run 'w3m' with a local cgi script which shows all the folders along with their new/total counts, and when I select one of the links it opens mutt with that folder. Then I defined mutt macros to do things like respool messages (if I change the filter script) or move them to other folders. I don't expect that this hackery will be very useful to you, but I've posted it here so you can see: http://ofb.net/~frederik/mailproc.tar.gz One thing it has is perl code to automatically recognize mailing list messages and put them into appropriately-named folders. Apparently I'm subscribed to over 100 mailing lists. I'd wanted to do something more elegant, something like John Meacham's Ginsu but backed by an SQL database, but never got around to it. Frederik -- http://ofb.net/~frederik/ ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] mailing list headaches
Frederik Eaton wrote: However, threading by References, which RFC 2822 says SHOULD be possible, and which works on my other folders, doesn't work well on Haskell mailing lists. Presumably the issue is that there are a large number of Windows users with strange mail clients which don't insert References headers. It isn't so much that there are a large number of such users, but that two of the core developers are among them (and are both employed by Microsoft, so RFC-conformance probably isn't an option). -- Glynn Clements [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
[Haskell] mailing list headaches
Hi all, I've been trying for some time to get threading to work properly on this mailing list. The problem is that I don't want to thread by subject in all of my folders, because then messages with short subjects like hi, hey, etc., in my personal folders will end up together. However, threading by References, which RFC 2822 says SHOULD be possible, and which works on my other folders, doesn't work well on Haskell mailing lists. Presumably the issue is that there are a large number of Windows users with strange mail clients which don't insert References headers. After some weeks of squinting, I've ended up settling with the following partial solution in my configuration files (I use Mutt): set strict_threads=yes folder-hook folders/haskell set strict_threads=no folder-hook folders/libraries set strict_threads=no folder-hook folders/glasgow-haskell set strict_threads=no folder-hook folders/glasgow-haskell-bugs set strict_threads=no I thought I'd share this feature because a lot of people use Mutt and it makes the Haskell mailing lists a bit easier to follow. It isn't perfect, because threads organized by subject are only one layer deep - you end up getting a list instead of a tree, except that since Mutt uses References where possible it ends up being a list of trees, where at the root of each tree is either a reply to the first message of the thread, or someone with a non-conforming mail client. Of course, another problem is the mailing list archives, which also try to organize threads by References but fail on these lists: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2005-June/thread.html Thus it seems the list archive software also requires fixing or reconfiguration... Frederik -- http://ofb.net/~frederik/ ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
[announce] Fedora Haskell mailing list
The Fedora Haskell project now has a mailing list which is kindly hosted on haskell.org. :) If you wish to subscribe for announcements and discussion of packaging Haskell projects for Fedora, please go to http://haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-haskell. More information about the project is available on http://haskell.org/fedora Cheers, Jens ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
[Haskell] [announce] Fedora Haskell mailing list
The Fedora Haskell project now has a mailing list which is kindly hosted on haskell.org. :) If you wish to subscribe for announcements and discussion of packaging Haskell projects for Fedora, please go to http://haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-haskell. More information about the project is available on http://haskell.org/fedora Cheers, Jens ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
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Re: HaXml (was: Re: Welcome to the Haskell mailing list)
im trying to have haxml lib running with hugs and had the following problem
1) under win, quite an issue to tun the cpp stuff. did it under linux, (for
info)
Thanks for the report. I'll think some more about how to package
HaXml to make things easier for Hugs users.
2) then i had a "maybeA" which is unknown. some lib i had to add ? ("maybe"
doesnt seems to work)
The only use of "maybeA" is in a comment containing some example
code for documentation purposes. It appears that this example is
now out of date, for which, apologies. If you want to use the
example, you need to rename "maybeA" to "maybeToAttr".
3) a module declare a "with" function, which hugs doenst seem to like.
renamed it withlt for now.
"with" is a perfectly valid Haskell function name, but Hugs may have
stolen it for a language extension. Try giving Hugs the +98 option
at startup, to ensure that all extensions are turned off. [Note to
users of the implicit parameter extension: I believe in future the
pseudo-keyword "with" will be removed and replaced by "let".]
this make me thinks that this lib is probably not tested under hugs98. could
someone confirm that ? as im too newbies, im maybe missing something
obvious. Id better asking, i thought.
HaXml is occasionally tested with Hugs98, but not as often as we
test it with other compilers. Soon however, we are hoping to have
a grand hierarchy of standard libraries for Haskell (including HaXml
amongst many others), which will be completely compiler-independent,
and tested regularly with all three or four currently-available
compilers/interpreters. This should greatly improve the portability
of a lot of publically-available Haskell code.
Regards,
Malcolm
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hi. im just a newcomer to haskell (www.taesch.com). quite impressed till now
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im trying to have haxml lib running with hugs and had the following problem
:
1) under win, quite an issue to tun the cpp stuff. did it under linux, (for
info)
2) then i had a "maybeA" which is unknown. some lib i had to add ? ("maybe"
doesnt seems to work)
3) a module declare a "with" function, which hugs doenst seem to like .
renamed it withlt for now.
this make me thinks that this lib is probably not tested under hugs98. could
someone confirm that ? as im too newbies, im maybe missing something
obvious. Id better asking, i thought.
thanks
Luc
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Hello! On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 07:04:07AM -0400, Paul Hudak wrote: Perhaps we should create a comp.lang.haskell? -Paul Frankly, I think there's still enough room in c.l.functional for Haskell related threads. However, if a discussion and vote comes up for a Haskell newsgroup, I'll off course still vote in favor of the newsgroup. To the mailing lists, I could imagine something like this: haskell (or haskell-misc) Misc discussion, may be high traffic A place where new people are welcome, in addition to a newsgroup if it comes to exist. haskell-announceModerated announcements (new versions of Haskell implementations, libraries, conferences etc) haskell-langThe language itself (interpretation of the report, extensions, Haskell-2). I'd NOT call it haskell-2, even if it mostly covers that, as if we call it haskell-2, haskell-3 will be off-topic there once Haskell 2 is out. haskell-research or haskell-moderated or something like this Low traffic, high level discussion group for anything not covered by haskell-lang and haskell-announce Perhaps haskell-lang and -research(-moderated, hence the suggestion) could be moderated too, in a style like comp.compilers. Globally interconnecting a mailing list and a newsgroup is prone to problems in my eyes, so I'm against that. Nothing against locally gating the mailing lists into no-posting or moderated (with the submission address as moderation address) newsgroups, like local.lists.haskell.misc local.lists.haskell.announce local.lists.haskell.lang local.lists.haskell.research Regards, Hannah.
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| I also agree with Simon that simply making this a moderated list is | not the solution. Perhaps splitting is best. How about | | haskell-info | haskell-talk | | where info carries *brief* announcements, requests for information | and responses to such requests, and talk carries anything and | everything else appropriate to a Haskell list. I like that proposal, Ralf
Re: Haskell mailing list
I, like many others, are about to get off the Haskell mailing list unless a way is found to cut down the traffic immediately. I think we could go far with the current list if people would only exercise some judgement by not posting every reply to the whole list. Arvind
Re: Haskell mailing list
Ralf Muschall writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: set up comp.lang.haskell? I agree with the above. This is IMHO the best solution for a lot of reasons: I disagree. One major reason is the spam problem: a post to a newsgroup essentially guarantees putting your name on a spam mailing list, and receiving large quantities of Make Money Fast postings. 2. The decision problem (high volume list without the important people or having to hesitate before every article) goes away. Many "important people" have a policy of no longer reading Usenet. 3. There is no human work needed to maintain a group once it exists. This is just as true for a mailing list as for a newsgroup. Also, news is not distributed everywhere, and even if news is available there's no guarantee everyone will be able to convince their sysadmin to accept the new group c.l.h. Email is surely available everywhere. Technical question: Are there people *writing* to this list without being subscribed? I very often see other people answering with header lines like "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]" The first of these addresses would be redundant if there were no such participants. It's polite to cc: the author. This ensures they get the message first (before everyone else), and that it ends up in their inbox rather than just in amongst 345 other messages in their Haskell folder[1]. It's also easier in most mail clients to just click "reply all"; "reply to author" doesn't send the message to the list also. Ralf HTH. --KW 8-) [1] Actual count in my folder after two weeks away (!!).
Re: Haskell mailing list
Keith Wansbrough wrote: [snip] I disagree. One major reason is the spam problem: a post to a newsgroup essentially guarantees putting your name on a spam mailing list, and receiving large quantities of Make Money Fast postings. I normally spam-proof my e-mail address on newsgroups for this reason. Though I'm not sure it's such a big problem as it has been; I sent a few unprotected usenet postings on Thursday and have yet to get any spam back from them. Also I think it likely that someone who spammed me a few months ago got my address from the Haskell archives. [snip] It's polite to cc: the author. I don't normally because getting two copies of the same message is a bore. In general I think Usenet is superior for common discussions, as that is what it is designed for. For example: 1) I don't have go through Usenet messages deciding which to delete, because I know they are all archived anyway. If I get bored with a thread I just K it and I never have to think about it again. 2) I have to assume that e-mail sent to me personally requires a rapid response. So I have to go to the trouble of opening Netscape whenever I get an e-mail. It is irritating when the e-mail is concerned with some Haskell issue which doesn't interest me. I use Netscape 4.6 for e-mail and Usenet. Please don't tell me how wonderful my life would be if I could be bothered to switch to procmail, emacs news/mail and so on, as I can't be bothered.
Re: Haskell mailing list
Would it be possible to have both the current mailing list and a Haskell newsgroup? If postings to each were automatically replicated on the other, then each reader could take her choice of which one to follow. --Ham -- Hamilton Richards Jr.Department of Computer Sciences Senior Lecturer Mail Code C0500 512-471-9525 The University of Texas at Austin SHC 434 Austin, Texas 78712-1188 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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I would be very sorry to see the Haskell mailing list go to a news group as I have no way of reading news groups. Bruce Haxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 October 1999 11:19 To: S.J.Thompson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Haskell mailing list S.J.Thompson writes: I agree with Simon's observations, and would suggest a third option: why not set up comp.lang.haskell? I agree with the above. The established procedure for creation of a news group is documented in the news.announce.newgroups FAQ available at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/pub/rtfm/usenet/news.announce.newgroups The first step would be to post a Request For Discussion (RFD) to news.announce.newgroups. Instructions and a template for doing this can be found in "How_to_Format_and_Submit_a_New_Group_Proposal" at the above ftp site. Help with the news group creation process can be obtained from [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Perhaps some suitably illustrious person (e.g. Simon ?) would like to post an RFD for comp.lang.haskell Tim
Re: Haskell mailing list
In article ifado.list.haskell/[EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Wansbrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralf Muschall writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: set up comp.lang.haskell? I agree with the above. This is IMHO the best solution for a lot of reasons: I disagree. One major reason is the spam problem: a post to a newsgroup essentially guarantees putting your name on a spam mailing list, and receiving large quantities of Make Money Fast postings. How do you come to think that mailing lists do not receive spam? Mailing lists are evil except for a very limited (or restricted) public ( 100 p ersons). 2. The decision problem (high volume list without the important people or having to hesitate before every article) goes away. Many "important people" have a policy of no longer reading Usenet. A lot of important people are in error otherways also. I redirect any mailing list I happen to subscribe to into a local newsgroup. I am glad of any such local group disappearing by converting the mail list into a regular news group. This happened in comp.compilers.lcc, e.g. BTW: The correct thing to do about SPAM is neither to leave Usenet nor to try antispammed adresses (this is just to promote evolution of better (worse) spammers). Spammers have to be prosecuted, legally and socially.
The Haskell mailing list
Folks, Traffic on the Haskell mailing list has jumped dramatically of late. In many ways that's a good thing: I take it a symptomatic that Haskell is getting used for more things by more people. But it has a bad side: if traffic is too heavy, large numbers of people will unsubscribe (indeed, many have). So in the end, heavy traffic is self defeating: either people drop off, or they move to a new list. So we can decide to do one of two things: 1. Try to keep the Haskell mailing list as a low-traffic list, to which many, many people subscribe. Under this model, one might *start* a discussion on the Haskell list; but after a few exchanges, move the discussion to comp.lang.functional, or perhaps a high-traffic Haskell list (haskell-discuss?). Rather like coastguard radio, where one starts on Channel 16, but moves to another channel to converse. 2. Accept (even rejoice) that the Haskell mailing list is becomming a high traffic list, and accept that people will drop off. I, for one, will probably drop off soon. Maybe another low-traffic list will start. I'm not trying to force a particular outcome here. Personally I would prefer (1), but if it is to be (2) that is fine by me. What I'd like to avoid is choosing (2) by accident, which is what seems to be happening. Let's make a conscious choice. I stress that I am *not* implying that the recent discussions have been frivolous or uninteresting. Quite the reverse. But *no matter how interesting* there is a large constitutency that we will lose if the traffic is too high. Simon PS: a possible (3) is to make the list moderated. But in my view that puts an undue burden on the moderator. No one likes to say "your message is not important enough to broadcast". It's a non-solution.
Re: The Haskell mailing list
So we can decide to do one of two things: 1. Try to keep the Haskell mailing list as a low-traffic list, to which many, many people subscribe. Under this model, one might *start* a discussion on the Haskell list; but after a few exchanges, move the discussion to comp.lang.functional, or perhaps a high-traffic Haskell list (haskell-discuss?). Rather like coastguard radio, where one starts on Channel 16, but moves to another channel to converse. 2. Accept (even rejoice) that the Haskell mailing list is becomming a high traffic list, and accept that people will drop off. I, for one, will probably drop off soon. Maybe another low-traffic list will start. I think, the natural thing is to have more than one mailing list. I already proposed to have `haskell-help' or some such for newbie questions. It may also be time for `haskell-announce' - a list where only announcement of system, library, and tool releases are made. I wouldn't be happy about evading to a news group (I personally, don't use news anymore for quite a while, because mailing lists are just better[1]). The big question is, how to group the new lists. How about the following? haskell-users- newbie questions general discussion (like the referential transparency stuff etc) haskell-announce - for announcements haskell - non-basic discussions (low traffic) What do you think? Manuel [1] People don't think much longer before they send of a mail to a mailing list, but I have the feeling at least a little longer than before sending to a newsgroup. (And there is not so much of a spam issue.) PS: I don't have a problem with setting up comp.functional.haskell, of course, but, IMHO, it shouldn't influence the decision about the mailing lists.
RE: The Haskell mailing list
Traffic on the Haskell mailing list has jumped dramatically of late. [...] So we can decide to do one of two things: 1. Try to keep the Haskell mailing list as a low-traffic list, to which many, many people subscribe. Under this model, one might *start* a discussion on the Haskell list; but after a few exchanges, move the discussion to comp.lang.functional, or perhaps a high-traffic Haskell list (haskell-discuss?). Rather like coastguard radio, where one starts on Channel 16, but moves to another channel to converse. 2. Accept (even rejoice) that the Haskell mailing list is becomming a high traffic list, and accept that people will drop off. I, for one, will probably drop off soon. Maybe another low-traffic list will start. I like 1, but much prefer creating another mailing list to moving lengthy discussions to comp.lang.functional since a) I can't read newsgroups from all my accounts, b) c.l.f is already overloaded. Another option is to create a low-bandwidth list called haskell-announce and keep this group the way it is. Yet another option: Since most of the heated discussions that occur on this list pertain to proposed extensions or changes to Haskell, we can create a "haskell2" list, and ask people to post that sort of speculative stuff there, leaving this list for discussion of Haskell98 as it stands. --FAC
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Perhaps we should create a comp.lang.haskell? -Paul
Haskell mailing list
S.J.Thompson writes: I agree with Simon's observations, and would suggest a third option: why not set up comp.lang.haskell? I agree with the above. The established procedure for creation of a news group is documented in the news.announce.newgroups FAQ available at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/pub/rtfm/usenet/news.announce.newgroups The first step would be to post a Request For Discussion (RFD) to news.announce.newgroups. Instructions and a template for doing this can be found in "How_to_Format_and_Submit_a_New_Group_Proposal" at the above ftp site. Help with the news group creation process can be obtained from [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Perhaps some suitably illustrious person (e.g. Simon ?) would like to post an RFD for comp.lang.haskell Tim
Re: The Haskell mailing list
Colin Runciman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also agree with Simon that simply making this a moderated list is not the solution. Perhaps splitting is best. How about haskell-info haskell-talk where info carries *brief* announcements, requests for information and responses to such requests, and talk carries anything and everything else appropriate to a Haskell list. Of the suggestions so far, this is the one I like best. Another writer had suggested "haskell-announce", but I prefer Colin's idea of "haskell-info", combining announcements with some qa but no extended discussions. Any threads lasting beyond a few messages could move to haskell-talk. For those of us who want everything, there are two possibilities that come to my mind offhand: (1) All haskell-info traffic could be automatically copied by the list server to haskell-talk, effectively making haskell-info just the "low bandwidth" version of haskell-talk; or (2) Readers could subscribe to both lists, and optionally use mail filters to merge them into one folder locally. I'm slightly inclined towards (1) just because I don't see why anyone subscribed to haskell-talk wouldn't also want to read the haskell-info messages, and it would be nice to not need to remember to update two subscriptions when changing email addresses or unsubscribing. All this seems somewhat less than ideal, though. I think the real problem is that most mail clients don't have killfiles the way newsreaders do (unless your newsreader is also your mail client, perhaps). I would like to be aware of all topics in all the Haskell lists, but not have to bother with a given thread once I've decided it doesn't interest me. In a newsreader, I can kill just the threads I don't like, and not even see subsequent followups. Even in fairly busy newsgroups, this is an effective tool for controlling perceived traffic levels. Mail clients, unfortunately, generally don't support such a capability. So unless moving everything to comp.lang.haskell is a viable option, I think splitting the list into haskell-info and haskell-talk is the best option. Craig
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Simon PJ is too valuable to lose. I (a) second the creation of comp.lang.haskell; (b) suggest that [EMAIL PROTECTED] should have a policy (enforced mechanically if necessary) of 1 contribution of length at most 5 lines (or 350 characters) per user per thread.
Wiki usage advocacy (was Re: The Haskell mailing list)
"Manuel" == Manuel M T Chakravarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Manuel What do you think? I'll use the opportunity to advocate wiki usage. While I agree that it seems time to have multiple lists, some of the recent high volume threads could have used the wiki to collect, discuss and then summarize the ideas. As a side effect we would structure the available knowledge, make it more accessible for others and have pages to point to in the future. I think we should learn to spot threads that are good candidates for the wiki process. Incidentally, there already is a page on e.g. referential transparency, http://haskell.org/wiki/wiki?ReferentialTransparency, so this discussion could have been directed there. Marko -- Marko Schütz[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~marko/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: set up comp.lang.haskell? I agree with the above. This is IMHO the best solution for a lot of reasons: 1. With many providers/client_softwares, you cannot ignore a mail without downloading and deleting it. This makes it hard to ignore a thread which one is not interested in. OTOH, ignoring a news posting is trivial. 2. The decision problem (high volume list without the important people or having to hesitate before every article) goes away. 3. There is no human work needed to maintain a group once it exists. Maybe one should inform the people on c.l.f about the creation of c.l.h, so that the language-specific stuff can come over and c.l.f cares about pure science. Technical question: Are there people *writing* to this list without being subscribed? I very often see other people answering with header lines like "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]" The first of these addresses would be redundant if there were no such participants. Ralf
