Re: [Haskell-cafe] Lifting IO actions into Applicatives

2013-10-01 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Tom Ellis wrote: Shouldn't it be an *Applicative* constraint? class Applicative t = ApplicativeIO t where liftIO :: IO a - t a and require that liftIO (pure x) = pure x liftIO (f * x) = liftIO f * liftIO x Seems like ApplicativeIO makes more sense than MonadIO, which

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Lifting IO actions into Applicatives

2013-10-01 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Dan Burton wrote: From what you've said, it sounds like you can already write: serverSide :: IO a - Form a This seems elegant enough to me for your needs. Just encourage it as an idiom specific to Forms. myBlogForm = Blog $ titleForm * serverSide getCurrentTime * contentsForm

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Problem with mailman at projects.haskell.org

2013-05-13 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The mailman daemon process on the server apparently exited for some reason. I restarted it, and now mail traffic seems to be going through normally again. -Yitz On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Carter Schonwald carter.schonw...@gmail.com wrote: I've had this problem too. Was trying to sign up

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Problem with mailman at projects.haskell.org

2013-05-13 Thread Yitzchak Gale
, Tim Docker t...@dockerz.net wrote: Thanks - I can confirm all is working again. I believe than, within some time window. some messages may have been dropped. Tim On 14/05/13 07:06, Yitzchak Gale wrote: The mailman daemon process on the server apparently exited for some reason. I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GSoC Project Proposal: Markdown support for Haddock

2013-04-09 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Johan Tibell wrote: I suggest that we implement an alternative haddock syntax that's a superset of Markdown. Here is a previous thread on this exact topic, from five years ago: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2008-February/039846.html It mentions a few additional shades of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Recursive timezone-loading function

2012-11-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi David, David Thomas wrote: https://github.com/dlthomas/tzcache A small bit of code, but seems likely to be useful enough that I figured I should share. Thanks for sharing this! 1) Does this already exist somewhere I missed? I haven't seen it anywhere. 2) It seems silly to make

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Adding to / subtracting from a LocalTime?

2012-08-19 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Adde Nilsson wrote: Ok, do you know of any way to add/subtract without converting to UTC and back? Brandon Allbery wrote: I'm not sure I'd do that in any environment, since usually libraries don't deal with the result crossing a daylight/summer time change (and those that do, surprise

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Platform Versioning Policy: upper bounds are not our friends

2012-08-16 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: A substantial number of the difficulties I am encountering are related to packages specifying upper bounds on their dependencies. This is a recurrent problem, and its source lies in the recommendations of the PVP itself I think the PVP recommendation is good, though

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Is protocol-buffers package maintainer reachable?

2012-04-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Johan Tibell wrote: If Chris is indeed out of the loop we should find a new maintainer. Mark and I are also interested in the future of protocol buffers in Haskell. Also, Chris is the maintainer of some regex packages that are in the Haskell Platform. -Yitz

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Problems installing Data.Encoding package

2012-03-04 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Pēteris Paikens wrote:  I'm stuck at trying to get Data.Encoding package functional. Cabal gives the following error message: This is caused by a problem with the cabal file in the encoding package. Often it causes the entire GHC package system to get confused, as pointed out by Brandon. The

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data newtype differences. Today: strictness

2012-01-22 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Yves Parès wrote: Is there some litterature expliciting in a less empiric way than I did the differences like this between data and newtype? I've never come against such documentation through all my learning of Haskell, yet I think it's an important point. Roman Cheplyaka wrote: See the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Serializing UTCTimes

2012-01-21 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Bas van Dijk wrote: What's the recommended way for serializing (with the cereal package) an UTCTime? Serialize the Day part as an Integer using toModifiedJulianDay/ModifiedJulianDay, (Note that Day is not a constructor, it's just the name of the type.) Serialize the DiffTime as a Rational, as

Re: [Haskell-cafe] OpenAL bindings?

2012-01-07 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Jason Dagit wrote: Looks like the repo [1] for the OpenAL bindings that Sven Panne created [2] is no longer available. I assume this is a result of The Great Server Outage of 2011 [3]. [1] http://darcs.haskell.org/packages/OpenAL/ [2]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] DB vs read/show for persisting large data

2011-12-14 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Yves Parès wrote: (^^ Michael just outposted [1] me). [1] I don't know if there is such a word. Sorry, I'm french. If there wasn't before, there is now. It's a great word! (Et je suis en effet un anglophone.) -Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] No instance for (Read POSIXTime)

2011-12-12 Thread Yitzchak Gale
dokondr wrote: All I actually need is some way to get *seconds* since epoch from the system, so I could manipulate them as integers. Well, you already have that - that's exactly what POSIXTime is. It is a numerical type, an instance of the RealFrac class. So perhaps you can do all of your

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Splitting off many/some from Alternative

2011-12-12 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Gregory Crosswhite wrote: could we split the some/many methods out from Alternative?  They simply don't make sense except in a subset of possible Alternatives --- in most cases they just result in an infinite loop... That is a very good point. I would be in favor of such a change, even though

Re: [Haskell-cafe] No instance for (Read POSIXTime)

2011-12-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
dokondr wrote: When I try to read POSIXTime... No instance for (Read POSIXTime)... What should I do to provide Read instance for POSIXTime? Short answer: if you are thinking about this as a moment in time that could be parsed from the usual kind of string representation for that, you probably

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why doesn't this work? (palindrome :: IO)

2011-12-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Brandon Allbery wrote: case () of   () | s == reverse s - putStrLn palindrome   _                   - putStrLn nope Tom Murphy wrote: This is kind of a hack of case, though. I think what the OP was looking for is  isPalindrome word   | (word == reverse word) = putStrLn (word ++ is a

[Haskell-cafe] 1p function for NonEmpty

2011-11-15 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi Edward, I started @telling you on #haskell, but it has become too long for that. :) The following functions would be nice additions to Data.List.NonEmpty in the semigroups package: replicate1p :: Whole n = n - a - NonEmpty a take1p :: Whole n = n - NonEmpty a - NonEmpty a splitAt1p :: Whole

Re: [Haskell-cafe] 1p function for NonEmpty

2011-11-15 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: The following functions would be nice additions to Data.List.NonEmpty in the semigroups package... Here are two more requests: maximum, minimum :: Ord a = NonEmpty a - a Two more unsafe Prelude functions become safe! Thanks, Yitz ___

Re: [Haskell-cafe] timezone-series, timezone-olson dependencies

2011-11-10 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ben Gamari wrote: Is there a reason why the current version of the timezone-series and timezone-olson packages depend on time1.3? With time 1.4 being widely used at this point this will cause conflicts with many packages yet my tests show that both packages work fine with time 1.4. Could we

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time zones and IO

2011-11-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ben Gamari wrote: Recently I've been working on an iCalendar parser implementation with support for recurrence rules. For the recurrence logic, I've been relying on Chris Heller's excellent time-recurrence package. Unfortunately, it seems we have both encountered great difficulty in cleanly

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage feature request: E-mail author when a package breaks

2011-11-01 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: This would be nice. However, there would have to be a way for it to be turned on and off by the author. (Spam is not nice.) Ketil Malde wrote: This is where it stranded the last time, IIRC.  That sentiment makes me a bit uneasy; so you are the official maintainer of a package on

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage feature request: E-mail author when a package breaks

2011-10-31 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Gregory Crosswhite wrote: could [Hackage] have a feature where when a working package breaks with a new version of GHC the author is automatically e-mailed? This would be nice. However, there would have to be a way for it to be turned on and off by the author. (Spam is not nice.) Thanks, Yitz

Re: [Haskell-cafe] blanket license for Haskell Platform?

2011-10-25 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Eric Y. Kow wrote: So I'm combining Haskell software with some non-free/closed source work. I was wondering what sort of effort it would take to organise a blanket license for everything in the Haskell Platform, and whether it would be worthwhile to anybody... - My user is concerned that a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell

2011-10-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Daniel Fischer wrote: Just for the record, not a newcomer, and has non-spam messages Conrad Parker wrote: There was a recent hotmail exploit, with people reporting their account sent spam... No exploit is needed. It is trivial for an impostor to seem as if he is sending email from someone

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?

2011-10-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Dmitri wrote: I need to call Stanford NLP Parser from Haskell (unfortunately Haskell does not have a similar one)... Just out of curiosity, why do you not consider GF at all similar? To an outsider like me, there does appear to be quite a bit of similarity. http://www.grammaticalframework.org/

Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell i18n best practices

2011-10-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Thanks for all the great information provided in this thread. The wiki page that Paulo originally linked had Vasyl's fantastic documentation for using his hgettext package, but it did not mention any of the other methods we discussed. I moved the gettext documentation to its own linked page and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] instance Enum Double considered not entirely great?

2011-09-26 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Chris Smith wrote: class Ord a = Range a where... Before adding a completely new Range class, I would suggest considering Paul Johnson's Ranged-sets package: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/Ranged-sets Ranges have many more natural operations, and interactions with other classes, than you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Attoparsec: Limiting Parsers to N Bytes, or Combing Parsers?

2011-09-26 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Evan Laforge wrote: hex2 = (+)$  ((*16)$  higit)*  higit higit = subtract (fromEnum '0')$  satisfy isHexDigit color = Color$  hex2*  hex2*  hex2 Twan van Laarhoven wrote: How is subtract (fromEnum '0') supposed to convert a hex digit to an Int or Word8? I think you need digitToInt (or an

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Solving the configuration problem with parametrized modules

2011-09-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Joachim Breitner wrote: ...Usually in Haskell, you’d determine them in the main function and then pass them in an argument to all functions needing them, or you wrap that in a monad... The big downside is the verbosity of the approach: A lot of parameters need to be passed, and if one such

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal #3339: Add (+) as a synonym for mappend

2011-08-14 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Brandon Allbery wrote: Anything useful has to be modified to depend on SemiGroup as well to get mconcat or its replacement; that's why you jumped the proposal to begin with Not at all. Types with Monoid instances need an additional instance, a Semgroup instance, in order to be able to use

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New releases and BSD3 license

2011-08-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Thanks for the more permissive licenses. And most of all, thanks for all your great work on HDBC as maintainer. Thanks and good luck to Nicolas. Regards, Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Contacting Planet Haskell admins

2011-07-17 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi Michael, Don is no longer involved in planet AFAIK. The administrator of planet-haskell is Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho. I'll send you his email address off list. Regards, Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Typeable class is changing

2011-07-12 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: Please respond to this thread if you own a package that will be affected by this change. Responding to my own request, here are some more packages that use mkTyCon explicitly: Ashley Yakeley's time package, which is part of the Haskell Platform. My timezone-series package, because it

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Typeable class is changing

2011-07-12 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Jon Fairbairn wrote: There’ll be a replacement for mkTycon (mkTycon3), so you can still do manual instances… Right, it should be easy to fix manual Typeable instances. It's just that if no action is taken, they will eventually break. So it's good to make sure that there is public awareness, and

[Haskell-cafe] The Typeable class is changing

2011-07-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Simon Marlow has announced[1] on the Haskell Libraries list that the Typeable class is changing. The standard way to create a Typeable instance is just to derive it. If you do that, you will not be affected by this change. But it seems that many packages create Typeable instances by explicitly

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Time

2011-07-04 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: Not exactly. A TimeZone in Data.Time doesn't really represent a time zone - it represents a specific clock setting in a time zone. Ashley Yakeley wrote: I still regret this! I should have called it TimeOffset or somesuch. Oh, it's not your fault. Every other time library in the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Fwd: Data.Time

2011-07-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ashley, heads up! I am CCing you on this message because I think a problem has been found with Data.Time.Format. Please see below. Daniel Patterson wrote: I've found most of the time library to be quite useful, but the parsing to be worthless The API for parsing and rendering time in Data.Time

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Time

2011-07-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Joe Healy wrote: One of the points I found non obvious were the fact that local time is just that. There is no knowledge of the actual timezone in the data type. If you wish to store that, it needs to be stored alongside. Erik Hesselink wrote: Isn't that what ZonedTime [1] is for? Not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Time

2011-07-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Oops, forgot the references: ZoneSeriesTime in the timezone-series package[1]... To get a TimeZoneSeries, representing a time zone with all of its known clock changes throughout history and some years into the future, use the timezone-olson package[2]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Fwd: Data.Time

2011-07-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ashley Yakeley wrote: This was fixed in time-1.2.0.5. From the haddock for parseTime: Supports the same %-codes as formatTime, including %-, %_ and %0 modifiers. Great, glad to hear this was recently fixed. I installed the latest version of the time package, and it works. It is important to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Possible bug in GHC 7.0.3

2011-06-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Ryan Ingram wrote: So this is definitely a GHC bug, but I think the problem is probably triggered by this line: instance  Serializable a b = IResource a I don't think this is a valid instance declaration without a functional dependency on Serializable, as it's impossible to know which type

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Possible bug in GHC 7.0.3

2011-06-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Daniel Fischer wrote: No, the instance head is just a type variable, not a type constructor applied to type variables Oops, you're right. GHC was telling the truth, I should have paid closer attention! Fixing my minimal example, I get: {-# LANGUAGE MultiParamTypeClasses, UndecidableInstances

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Time

2011-06-27 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Tony Morris wrote: I recently set out to write a library that required a decent time library. Having only had a flirt with Data.Time previously, I assumed it would be robust like many other haskell libraries. I don't know about consensus, but I have been massively let down. I won't go in to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC 7.0.3 / Win32: Data.Time library?

2011-06-15 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Dmitri O.Kondratiev wrote: I have: ds1 = 10/11/2009 7:04:28 PM ds2 = 10/17/2009 8:48:29 AM t1 = readTime defaultTimeLocale %m/%d/%Y %l:%M:%S %p ds1 :: UTCTime t2 = readTime defaultTimeLocale %m/%d/%Y %l:%M:%S %p ds2 :: UTCTime dif = diffUTCTime t2 t1 I need to: 1) Find how many complete

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC 7.0.3 / Win32: Data.Time library?

2011-06-14 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Dmitri O.Kondratiev wrote: It would also help to see a simple example of parsing 10/11/2009 7:04:28 PM to  time and date objects. Let's assume that 10/11/2009 means October 11, as in the U.S. Then you can use: import System.Locale (defaultTimeLocale) import Data.Time thatMoment :: Maybe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] SIGPLAN Programming Languages Software Award

2011-06-09 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The SIGPLAN Programming Languages Software Award For 2011, the winners of the award are Simon Peyton Jones and Simon Marlow of Microsoft Research, Cambridge, for GHC Congratulations! Well deserved recognition for visionary ideas backed by so many years of hard work. -Yitz

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Attoparsec concatenating combinator

2011-06-07 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: Now that I think of it: in principle, you could write a specialised concat that would check the pointer/offset/length combinations of its arguments and, if they all abutted perfectly, would just return a new view into that same array, sans copying. Gregory Collins

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-07 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: You almost never want to use UndecidableInstances when writing practical programs in Haskell. When GHC tells you that you need them, it almost always means that your types are poorly designed, usually due to influence from previous experience with OOP. wren ng thornton wrote:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Scott Lawrence wrote: I'm modelling text in a markov-model-like way. I have an actual markov model (albeit one in which X_n depends on a fixed range X_n-1 .. X-n-k). I'm vaguely anticipating the presence of other models:  class Model m a | m - a where    lexemes :: m - Set a    genFunc :: m

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: You almost never want to use UndecidableInstances when writing practical programs in Haskell. When GHC tells you that you need them, it almost always means that your types are poorly designed, usually due to influence from previous experience with OOP. Gábor Lehel wrote: Are you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Scott Lawrence wrote: But... this prevents me from storing more information in a Model in the future. While I don't really anticipate needing too (I can see this function covering all likely use cases), it does seem sorta restrictive. I tend not to think about storing information inside of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Scott Lawrence wrote:  type Model a = (Ord a) = Set a -- the set of lexemes                         - [a] -- the original text to model                         - [a] -- list of previous lexemes                         - ProbDist a -- the next lexeme and then  entropy :: Model a - Set a -

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Gregory Collins wrote: Surprisingly enough, mtl uses UndecidableInstances, so almost every practical Haskell program uses it in one way or another. The library uses it, you don't use it directly in your program. Anyway, transformers does the job when you need to build on the basic monad

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How to install GhC on a Mac without registering?

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Chris Smith wrote:  I had to abandon a plan to introduce Haskell in a class I taught this past semester [12 to 13 years old] because of issues with getting it installed on the Macintosh laptops that some of the students had. Truth is, you obviously don't need support for FFI development in

[Haskell-cafe] ANN: dtd-text DTD parser and renderer, V0.1.1.0

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The dtd-text package[1] provides a parser and renderer for XML DTDs. It implements most of the parts of the W3C XML specification relating to DTDs, and is compatible with versions 1.0 and 1.1 of the specification.[2] The parser and renderer operate on Haskell DTD objects from the dtd-types[3]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: dtd-text DTD parser, V0.1.0.0

2011-06-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: I really should have edited the Cabal description of this package before I uploaded it. Max Rabkin wrote: Could you upload a bugfix version with an accurate description? This could be very frustrating to a random hackage-brower who hasn't read the announcement (or me, in a few

[Haskell-cafe] ANN: dtd-text DTD parser, V0.1.0.0

2011-06-05 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The dtd-text package[1] provides a parser for XML DTDs. It implements most of the parts of the W3C XML specification relating to DTDs, and is compatible with versions 1.0 and 1.1 of the specification.[2] The result of the parse is a Haskell DTD object from the dtd-types[3] package. This first

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: dtd-types 0.3.0.1

2011-06-05 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The dtd-types[1] package provides types for processing XML DTDs in Haskell. These types are intended to be compatible with and extend the set of types provided by John Millikin's xml-types package[2]. This version, 0.3.0.1, was released in support of the dtd-text package[3]. It includes some

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Attoparsec concatenating combinator

2011-06-05 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: I was thinking of even lower level: allocating a moderate chunk of memory and writing the results directly into it consecutively as a special case. Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: Surely that would save only one copy compared to creating a list of results and then concatenating them, no?

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cons of -XUndecidableInstances

2011-06-05 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Scott Lawrence wrote: More specifically, I have  class Model m a | m - a where ...  class Entropy d where ...  instance (Model m a) = Entropy m where ... The first line requires MultiParamTypeClasses and FunctionalDependencies... the third requires UndecidableInstances... Is this likely

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Attoparsec concatenating combinator

2011-06-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: I'd like a no-copy combinator for the same reasons, but I think it's impossible to do without some low-level support. I wrote: ...does the internal representation easily admit such a combinator? Not very easily. Internally, attoparsec maintains just three pieces of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Attoparsec concatenating combinator

2011-06-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Mario Blažević wrote: I don't know if this helps, but the incremental-parser library has exactly the combinator you're looking for. Wow, that is a beautiful implementation of a general parser library. So much simpler than Parsec. Thanks for pointing it out. Why are you hiding those nice

Re: [Haskell-cafe] License of hslogger, HDBC, etc.

2011-06-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
John Goerzen wrote: I've decided that I'm OK with re-licensing hslogger, HDBC, and well all of my Haskell libraries (not end programs) under 3-clause BSD. Thanks John! -Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

[Haskell-cafe] Attoparsec concatenating combinator

2011-06-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I often find while using attoparsec and attoparsec-text that I need to match a number of text parsers consecutively and concatenate the result. By text parser I mean Parser ByteString for attoparsec and Parser Text for attoparsec-text. It seems the best I can do is to collect them all in a list

[Haskell-cafe] ANN: dtd-types 0.2.0.0

2011-06-01 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The dtd-types package provides types for processing XML DTDs in Haskell. These types are intended to be compatible with and extend the set of types provided by John Millikin's xml-types package. The consensus seems to be to leave this as a separate package and not to merge it with xml-types.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Please add a method for optimized concat to the Semigroup class

2011-05-31 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Edward Kmett wrote: I felt I should probably mention that ultimately what was done is I moved NonEmpty all the way down into semigroups and chose sconcat :: NonEmpty a - a at it was the closest analogue to the current mconcat behavior. So, request accomodated. ;) Indeed, this is an excellent

[Haskell-cafe] ANN: dtd-types 0.0.0.1

2011-05-30 Thread Yitzchak Gale
The dtd-types package provides types for processing XML DTDs in Haskell. These types are intended to be compatible with and extend the set of types provided by John Millikin's xml-types package. This is a very preliminary first version, pending discussion by the community on the web-devel list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Escaping of string literals

2011-05-28 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Michael Snoyman wrote:    main = do        fromAddr - unsafePackAddressLen 7 $(return $ LitE $ StringPrimL 123\0\456)        print fromAddr        let fromStr = S.pack $ map (toEnum . fromEnum) $(return $ LitE $ StringL 123\0\456)        print fromStr I get the result:    123\192\128\45

Re: [Haskell-cafe] [Haskell] ANNOUNCE: time-recurrence-0.1

2011-05-25 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: It's not a good idea for a basic time library to introduce possible crashes. At least you should provide an alternative safe interface. Similarly for toEnum. Chris Heller wrote: are you suggesting something like doing modulo arithmetic rather than calling error on undefined values?

Re: [Haskell-cafe] [Haskell] ANNOUNCE: time-recurrence-0.1

2011-05-23 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Moving the discussion from haskell to haskell-cafe. Chris Heller wrote: http://github.com/hellertime/time-recurrence A library for generating and inspecting recurring times. Very nice. Please put it up on hackage so we can see the haddocks, try it out easily, etc. hoping to solicit some

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

2011-05-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Don Stewart wrote: The haskell.org committee... has decided to incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision. Thanks, good news! And thanks for posting to multiple lists for maximum public notification to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Those damned parentheses

2011-05-10 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Eitan Goldshtrom wrote: f p = putStrLn $ (show (Main.id p)) ++ - message received Brandon S Allbery KF8NH wrote: f p = putStrLn $ (show $ Main.id p) ++ = message received wren ng thornton w...@freegeek.org wrote:    f p = putStrLn $ show (Main.id p) ++ - message received    f p = putStrLn

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Those damned parentheses

2011-05-10 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Andrew Butterfield wrote: Why not indeed ? Roel van Dijk wrote: import Control.Category ( () ) f = Main.id show (++ - message received) putStrLn Indeed, I agree. I sometimes do that, too, when I want to emphasize the idea of applying tools one after the other. But most often I just use

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Those damned parentheses

2011-05-10 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Andrew Butterfield wrote: Why not indeed ? Roel van Dijk wrote: import Control.Category ( () ) f = Main.id show (++ - message received) putStrLn Indeed, I agree. I sometimes do that, too, when I want to emphasize the idea of applying tools one after the other. But most often I just use

[Haskell-cafe] Please add a method for optimized concat to the Semigroup class

2011-05-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi Edward, Thanks much for the very useful semigroups package. When using it in practice, it would be very useful to have an analogue to the mconcat method of Monoid. It has the obvious default implementation, but allows for an optimized implementation for specific instances. That turns out to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Please add a method for optimized concat to the Semigroup class

2011-05-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Stephen Tetley wrote: Does it have an obvious default implementation, bearing in mind it we might really want a total function? sconcat []     = error Yikes - I wish this was total! sconcat [a]    = a sconcat (a:as) = a sconcat as Holger Siegel wrote: You have to provide the neutral

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Please add a method for optimized concat to the Semigroup class

2011-05-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Stephen Tetley wrote: There is that formulation, though usually I find I need to do it with an alternative instead: altconcat alt []     = alt altconcat _   (a:as) = go a as  where    go acc [] = acc    go acc (b:bs) = go (acc b) bs But the whole reason we need this as a method is for the

[Haskell-cafe] Please add instance Semigroup Text

2011-05-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi Edward, Could you please add a Semigroup instance for Text? Once you're doing that, I suppose you'd also want to add it for lazy Text and both kinds of ByteStrings. But what I currently need is strict Text. The reason, of course, is that in complex calculations is *so* much more readable

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Please add a method for optimized concat to the Semigroup class

2011-05-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Edward Kmett wrote: sconcat :: [a] - a - a with either the semantics you supplied or something like sconcat = appEndo . mconcat . map diff The sconcat we have been discussing is sconcat = flip $ appEndo . getDual . mconcat . map (Dual . Endo . flip ()) (avoiding the use of Dual.diff.Dual so

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Please add instance Semigroup Text

2011-05-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: Could you please add a Semigroup instance for Text? Edward Kmett wrote: Unfortunately, I don't think I can really bring myself to do either. I was deliberately trying to keep the number of dependencies for the semigroups as low as possible... You are quite right. These should really

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Local copy of hackageDB

2011-04-07 Thread Yitzchak Gale
José Pedro Magalhães wrote: I want to use cabal-install on a machine without internet access. Work is ongoing for a version of hackage that you can just install on your own server. Perhaps the people working on that can comment about the status. If all you want is a barebones server that you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Local copy of hackageDB

2011-04-07 Thread Yitzchak Gale
José Pedro Magalhães wrote: Thanks, but I don't really need a functional server or anything; I just want to have a local copy of Hackage on disk (latest versions only will do) and tell cabal-install to use that instead of the web. If you have the package tarball, you can unpack it manually and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Encoding of Haskell source files

2011-04-04 Thread Yitzchak Gale
+1 for UTF-8 only. Brandon Moore wrote: ...I don't see much to be gained by prohibiting other encodings. Universal portability of Haskell source code with respect to its encoding is to be gained. We can achieve that simplicity now with almost no cost. Why miss the opportunity? In particular,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Encoding of Haskell source files

2011-04-04 Thread Yitzchak Gale
malcolm.wallace wrote: BOM is not part of UTF8, because UTF8 is byte-oriented.  But applications should be prepared to read and discard it, because some applications erroneously generate it. For maximum portability, the standard should be require compilers to accept and discard an optional BOM

[Haskell-cafe] Can't connect to local yackage server

2011-04-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
On Mac OS X 10.6.7, after upgrading to yackage 0.1.0.1: After running yackage -l, I cannot connect to it even directly from localhost. I get the message: This Yackage server only talks to local clients On a Linux server it seems to work fine though. On the Mac, when I do telnet localhost I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can't connect to local yackage server

2011-04-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: After running yackage -l, I cannot connect to it even directly from localhost. I get the message:  This Yackage server only talks to local clients Michael Snoyman wrote: ...it doesn't sound like your problem is caused by the mis-behaving Yackage code: it *should* give you a

[Haskell-cafe] Please allow variation in the Yackage page title

2011-03-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Could you please add a way of varying the title of the Yackage web page? That would make it much easier to work with multiple Yackages at once. For my particular setup, including its port number in the web page title would do the trick. But perhaps the easiest and most general thing would be to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] timezone-series and timezone-olson

2011-03-27 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Hi Manfred, I am copying this response to the Haskell Cafe mailing list. Manfred Lotz wrote: ...I'm trying to figure out how to use your packages to get the time in a different timezone. Do you have an example how to do that? What I want for example is to provide the timezone preferably like

[Haskell-cafe] Saving changes to cabal config in cabal-dev

2011-03-26 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Thanks for the fantastic cabal-dev tool! Is there any convenient way to save changes to the package-specific cabal config file in cabal-dev? When I make changes to cabal-dev/cabal.config, cabal-dev seems to scribble over them next time I run it. The only solution I have found so far is to run

Re: [Haskell-cafe] IPv6 issues for (code|community).haskell.org?

2011-03-10 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Erlend Hamberg wrote: When I wanted to get the newest xmonad code from darcs today¹ it was really, really slow... Being on an IPv6 network, and having been burnt by similar problems before, I tried adding IPv4 address for code.haskell.org in /etc/hosts... This fixed the issue ...Connecting

Re: [Haskell-cafe] can't download haskell-mode for emacs: directory is empty

2011-03-06 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Richard Cobbe wrote: I'm trying to see if I'm running the latest version of haskell-mode.el. Unfortunately, the download link at the top of http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_mode_for_Emacs points to a directory with nothing in it. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? It is

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A practical Haskell puzzle

2011-03-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Brandon Moore wrote: This code produces and uses a table of all allowed combinations. I think this makes it easier to understand why the code works (and is H98). It's just as easy to make a direct version that produces one requested composition in linear time, so I haven't worried whether

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A practical Haskell puzzle

2011-03-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Eric Mertens wrote: (but I've had my head in Agda lately) Indeed, coming across this problem tempted me to abandon the real world and take refuge in Agda. http://hpaste.org/44469/software_stack_puzzle Wow, so simple, and no higher-rank types! This is the best solution yet. I am now truly in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A practical Haskell puzzle

2011-03-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Brandon Moore wrote: My solution does not serialize and deserialize between every pair of layers. Ahhh, I see! Sorry I didn't look closely enough the first time. Yes, this is a very nice Haskell 98 solution! This code produces and uses a table of all allowed combinations. I think this makes

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A practical Haskell puzzle

2011-03-02 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Thanks to everyone for the nice solutions to this puzzle, here and on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/fu6el/a_practical_haskell_puzzle/ There were two basic approaches. One was to use GADTs and higher-rank types to reduce the amount of type trickery needed. One nice example is

[Haskell-cafe] A practical Haskell puzzle

2011-02-27 Thread Yitzchak Gale
You have written a large software system in Haskell. Wishing to play to Haskell's strength, you have structured your system as a series of composable layers. So you have data types Layer1, Layer2, ... and functions layer2 :: Layer1 - Layer2 layer3 :: Layer2 - Layer3 ... etc. Of course you'll

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: unordered-containers - a new, faster hashing-based containers library

2011-02-24 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Gwern Branwen wrote: You could look at them yourself; I attached the files. Max Bolingbroke wrote: Frankly I am surprised how much size gets used. It seems that making it fast is more important than I thought. Johan Tibell wrote: IntMap (which shares data structure with HashMap) only hash

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Using IsString with attoparsec

2011-01-29 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: I suggest adding the following type-specialized variants to Data.Attoparsec.Char8: (*.) :: Applicative f = f a - f ByteString - f a (*.) = (*) (.*) :: Applicative f = f ByteString - f a - f a (.*) = (*) Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: Sounds reasonable. Send a patch? Felipe Almeida

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