[Haskell-cafe] Haskellers in Nashville,TN

2013-10-12 Thread heathmatlock
Anyone here from the Nashville, TN area? t would be nice to meet
regularly with others to discuss and work with Haskell. Also, this
group is now available:

www.meetup.com/The-Haskell-Study-Group/

If you want to participate remotely, that works too, I'm just looking
for others to meet with regularly.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-27 Thread heathmatlock
Yes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Question: Do you want a mascot?
 Answers:
 Yes
 No

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[Haskell-cafe] Mascot Poll Results

2011-11-27 Thread heathmatlock
Haskellers.com poll:
Yes 52 votes (50%), 22 verified votes (53%)
No 51 votes (49%), 19 verified votes (46%)

Email:
Yes 14 (64%)
No8 (36%)


Seems a bit divided.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Mascot Poll Results

2011-11-27 Thread heathmatlock
Heh, I miscounted the email poll (turns out to be pretty difficult to
grep for answers). Correct email results (as of writing):

Yes 15 (65%)
No8 (35%)

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:37 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Haskellers.com poll:
 Yes 52 votes (50%), 22 verified votes (53%)
 No 51 votes (49%), 19 verified votes (46%)

 Email:
 Yes 14 (64%)
 No    8 (36%)


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Mascot Poll Results

2011-11-27 Thread heathmatlock
Weighted average of the verified results:
Yes 57%
No  42%

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Mascot Poll Results

2011-11-27 Thread heathmatlock
On Nov 27, 2011 7:51 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Ummm. how are you doing the weighting?

( (Percent of yes or no vote for poll 1 * total num votes poll1) +
(Percent  of yes or no votes for poll 2 * total num votes of poll 2)
) / (total num votes for poll 1 + total num votes for poll 2)

I don't know what a sufficient percentage of yes votes would be to go
through the process of selecting a mascot, but I don't think 50-60% is it.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskellers.com polls (specifically, the mascot question)

2011-11-25 Thread heathmatlock
Posted on reddit. http://redd.it/mpb54

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.comwrote:

 For everyone emailing about email verification not working: it's fixed
 now, the date on the server was incorrect, and therefore Amazon SES
 was rejecting the request.

 Side point: I'd recommend people start using BrowserID for login, it
 automatically verifies your email address for you.

 Michael

 On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com
 wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I've just added the polls feature to Haskellers.com, and created an
  initial poll about mascots[1]. Let me know if there are any issues.
 
  Michael
 
  PS: I've also added Google+ profile link support, just go to your edit
  profile page and paste in the link.
 
  [1] http://www.haskellers.com/poll/1
 

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] lambda.fm How can I use this to help the Haskell community?

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
Stream podcasts on functional programming.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Ben Wright bwright...@gmail.com wrote:

 A while back I somehow managed to get the domain name, lambda.fm and I
 am simply creating this post to get some ideas from the community on what
 it could be used for to help the FP community. So tell me what you think.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Moritz Fischer hask...@pure-entropy.orgwrote:

 If you want people to identify even faster with Da, start by uploading
 some CC licenced SVGs. One thing that helps a lot imho is to allow other
 people to be creative with it, too.


Done.

Darcs: https://patch-tag.com/r/heath/Haskell-Mascot
Git: https://github.com/heath/Haskell-Mascot



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Moritz Fischer 
 hask...@pure-entropy.orgwrote:

 If you want people to identify even faster with Da, start by uploading
 some CC licenced SVGs. One thing that helps a lot imho is to allow other
 people to be creative with it, too.


 Done.

 Darcs: https://patch-tag.com/r/heath/Haskell-Mascot
 Git: https://github.com/heath/Haskell-Mascot


As a heads up, you'll need to be familiar with layers if you want to see
everything.


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[Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
Question: Do you want a mascot?

Answers:
Yes
No


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer alex-hask...@copton.net
 wrote:

 Yes

 PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll?


Email is an easy way to make sure nobody votes twice.


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.comwrote:


 1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community
 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
 track of the results)
 3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the list
 and answer the poll


I thought about this, but I was trying to keep the response short.


 4. etc...

 My suggestion is to create a poll somewhere else and let it run for at
 least a month.


I suppose we could do this. Kryzyztof suggested Google Docs, so I created a
poll there:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFpic3dzZkVtcW5yZkVWbFNuckpyWmc6MQ


Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to capture the
 community's feeling toward a masket and what kind.


I'm not sure what additional questions would be appropriate.


I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here so let's take the time
 and do it properly.


I can agree to that. The reasons I created a poll using the email method
are:

1. Typically, mail programs have methods of keeping emails separated by
topic, so your mailbox isn't littered with just one topic.
2. It's quick with little hassle, just respond.

But, you have a point about reaching a wider audience. My only concern is
how many people outside of the Haskell community are going to vote. Without
methods of recognizing who's spamming the results, it's difficult to really
judge how accurately the poll reflects the community's views.

Polldaddy.com has nice spam filters. I'm guessing posting functional
Javascript to the wiki isn't possible though, this would require someone
with write access to the site.



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
I closed the poll, it's showing 51% no and 50% yes, 129 to 128 respectively.

I also found out you can vote as many times as you want without
restriction, with no IP logging whatsoever. This is why I don't like
putting polls on places where users regularly use anonymity for their own
agendas, e.g. Reddit, which is when it seems most of the votes came from.

From the public email poll, there were 4 no votes and 8 yes votes, and from
the original thread on a mascot, there were about 15 people liking the idea
of a mascot, and less than half of this openly saying against the idea.

I would say the next step might be create a poll using polldaddy, but even
filtering IP addresses wouldn't stop people from using a workaround with
Tor. With email, you can see how many people are registering and
immediately voting. Anyway, I'm not sure how to proceed, but I'm going
going to call it a night and a week with this, since it's going to be long
next couple of days.

Happy Thanksgiving to anyone celebrating the Holiday tomorrow.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:36 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Giovanni Tirloni 
 gtirl...@sysdroid.comwrote:


 1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community
 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
 track of the results)
 3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the list
 and answer the poll


 I thought about this, but I was trying to keep the response short.


 4. etc...

 My suggestion is to create a poll somewhere else and let it run for at
 least a month.


 I suppose we could do this. Kryzyztof suggested Google Docs, so I created
 a poll there:


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFpic3dzZkVtcW5yZkVWbFNuckpyWmc6MQ


 Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to capture
 the community's feeling toward a masket and what kind.


 I'm not sure what additional questions would be appropriate.


 I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here so let's take the
 time and do it properly.


 I can agree to that. The reasons I created a poll using the email method
 are:

 1. Typically, mail programs have methods of keeping emails separated by
 topic, so your mailbox isn't littered with just one topic.
 2. It's quick with little hassle, just respond.

 But, you have a point about reaching a wider audience. My only concern is
 how many people outside of the Haskell community are going to vote. Without
 methods of recognizing who's spamming the results, it's difficult to really
 judge how accurately the poll reflects the community's views.

 Polldaddy.com has nice spam filters. I'm guessing posting functional
 Javascript to the wiki isn't possible though, this would require someone
 with write access to the site.



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
Before sleeping, I would like to point out as of right now there are 12 up
votes and 5 down votes, 70% yes and 30% no for the topic on Reddit. It
doesn't necessarily reflect the view on the question being posed, but it
seems about right from my discussions. With that, I will try to refrain
from speaking about a mascot for awhile.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:58 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:

 I closed the poll, it's showing 51% no and 50% yes, 129 to 128
 respectively.

 I also found out you can vote as many times as you want without
 restriction, with no IP logging whatsoever. This is why I don't like
 putting polls on places where users regularly use anonymity for their own
 agendas, e.g. Reddit, which is when it seems most of the votes came from.

 From the public email poll, there were 4 no votes and 8 yes votes, and
 from the original thread on a mascot, there were about 15 people liking the
 idea of a mascot, and less than half of this openly saying against the idea.

 I would say the next step might be create a poll using polldaddy, but even
 filtering IP addresses wouldn't stop people from using a workaround with
 Tor. With email, you can see how many people are registering and
 immediately voting. Anyway, I'm not sure how to proceed, but I'm going
 going to call it a night and a week with this, since it's going to be long
 next couple of days.

 Happy Thanksgiving to anyone celebrating the Holiday tomorrow.


 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:36 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Giovanni Tirloni 
 gtirl...@sysdroid.comwrote:


 1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community
 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
 track of the results)
 3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the
 list and answer the poll


 I thought about this, but I was trying to keep the response short.


 4. etc...

 My suggestion is to create a poll somewhere else and let it run for at
 least a month.


 I suppose we could do this. Kryzyztof suggested Google Docs, so I created
 a poll there:


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFpic3dzZkVtcW5yZkVWbFNuckpyWmc6MQ


 Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to capture
 the community's feeling toward a masket and what kind.


 I'm not sure what additional questions would be appropriate.


 I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here so let's take the
 time and do it properly.


 I can agree to that. The reasons I created a poll using the email method
 are:

 1. Typically, mail programs have methods of keeping emails separated by
 topic, so your mailbox isn't littered with just one topic.
 2. It's quick with little hassle, just respond.

 But, you have a point about reaching a wider audience. My only concern is
 how many people outside of the Haskell community are going to vote. Without
 methods of recognizing who's spamming the results, it's difficult to really
 judge how accurately the poll reflects the community's views.

 Polldaddy.com has nice spam filters. I'm guessing posting functional
 Javascript to the wiki isn't possible though, this would require someone
 with write access to the site.



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Polls on Haskellers.com

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
Well that was a quick response. I think it's silly the idea that someone
would cast more votes than one on an election for this, but I can't trust a
poll where someone can continually click yes or no over and over. I like
your idea.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.comwrote:

 I noticed the recent thread about mascots, and trying to get accurate
 polling information. Don't consider this email to say I think we need
 safeguards against a poll on mascots (are people *really* trying to
 rig the election on this???), but I thought this might be a good
 features for Haskellers.com. Since we already have the verified
 account issue, we could use that to break down polls. More
 specifically, anyone would be allowed to vote, and then you could
 review results for verified users only, all logged in users, or
 theoretically even not-logged-in users (not sure how I feel about this
 one).

 If people would use this feature, I think I can add it next week.

 Michael

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-22 Thread heathmatlock
Wasn't planning on it, but I saw some emails on the topic, so I worked on
what I presented earlier:

http://imgur.com/a/yIUOA

A favicon is attached as well, it probably could use more work.
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-22 Thread heathmatlock
I goofed on a few images, but I'm a bit tired to correct them at the
moment. Also, I'll upload higher res images another time, they don't look
terrible up close.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:

 Wasn't planning on it, but I saw some emails on the topic, so I worked on
 what I presented earlier:

 http://imgur.com/a/yIUOA

 A favicon is attached as well, it probably could use more work.




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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-22 Thread heathmatlock
For some reason, I can't rest until this is done, so here's the larger
images (with corrections):

http://imgur.com/a/CTFJZ

There's a download button on the top-right of the thumbnail if you want to
observe the lamb up close.
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-22 Thread heathmatlock
Here are some examples of how the mascot can be used on the wiki:

http://imgur.com/a/Hu1ve


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-22 Thread heathmatlock
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Vincent Hanquez t...@snarc.org wrote:


 I think cute is good enough, and heathmatlock's lamb da, a good and simple
 name with a funny pun, definitely made me smile, and hope that's something
 i see on haskell tshirts soon ;-)


Done.

http://open.spreadshirt.com

I was a little click happy at first while my slow computer was rendering
some PNGs, so the last few pages of items probably need to be removed. If
you like something and would like to see it larger or on some other shirt,
let me know, and I'll get on it.

Here are my picks from the lot:

Kid's shirt with astrolamb:
http://open.spreadshirt.com/children-s-tshirt-large-moon-A8545485

Women's slim shirt with astrolamb:
http://open.spreadshirt.com/pillow-case-lamb-da-A8545524

Men's shirt with astrolamb:
http://open.spreadshirt.com/men-s-american-apparel-haskell-moon-small-top-left-A8545439

Men's green shirt with CS Wizard lamb:
http://open.spreadshirt.com/men-s-standard-weight-cs-wizard-da-large-smallest-white-text-A8545341

Men's green shirt with lamb and scarf:
http://open.spreadshirt.com/men-s-standard-medium-da-smallest-white-text-A8545249

Men's long sleeve organic with large knight:
http://open.spreadshirt.com/men-s-long-sleeve-organice-large-da-knight-small-black-lettering-A8545080

Men's athletic style shirt:
http://open.spreadshirt.com/men-s-performance-samll-da-knight-top-left-small-black-lettering-A8545067

Men's standard with lamb top-left:
http://open.spreadshirt.com/men-s-small-da-the-knight-top-leftl-small-white-letters-A8544856

Something Simon Peyton Jones would wear:
http://open.spreadshirt.com/men-s-crewneck-sweatshirt-da-large-A8544677

And there are even a few more, but I don't want to spam the list with too
many links (there are over 100 Haskell specific items there now, pillow
cases included!).

I'm paid $1 per item sold, some items are costs more than others.


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-22 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.comwrote:

 On 11/22/11 16:52, heathmatlock wrote:

 I liked him more back when he was called Curry. That he is a lamb is a
 cute play on words. But for me, The Lamb Da was facepalm-inducing
 because it seems like it's trying too hard to maximize the number of
 gimmicks per square centimeter.


I wouldn't mind a poll on the mascot and its name.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-21 Thread heathmatlock
Cute! I like it!

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Karol Samborski edv.ka...@gmail.comwrote:

 2011/11/21 Karol Samborski edv.ka...@gmail.com:
  Hi all,
 
  This is my sister's proposition:
  http://origami.bieszczady.pl/images/The_Lamb_Da.png
 
  What do you think?
 

 Second version: http://origami.bieszczady.pl/images/The_Lamb_Da2.png

 Best,
 Karol Samborski

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-17 Thread heathmatlock
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Andrew Coppin andrewcop...@btinternet.com
 wrote:

 On 16/11/2011 04:50 AM, heathmatlock wrote:

 If you're going to draw a piece of graphics, why use ASCII workarounds
 like _|_, when you can use the real thing (i.e., ⊥)?

 Noted, will change.

Are we going to have a contest for a mascot?


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-17 Thread heathmatlock
Last time to upload images for a long time, the break is here and I have
work to do! I got a bit tired of explaining that it's a lamb, and not
something similar to a rat, so I made the face less abstract. My little
niece liked it better than the old one for some reason. Here's some images
I threw together, much more left to add to the environments:

http://imgur.com/a/niiTF#0

Anywho, I'll quit spamming about the mascot until someone decides to create
a poll.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-16 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Jerzy Karczmarczuk 
jerzy.karczmarc...@unicaen.fr wrote:

 Do you mind some ... how to say ... offside comments?

 1. The Curry Da mascot looks like a penguin disguised as a  lamb. I have
 nothing against penguins !


Hi Jerry, thanks for your input. The reason to have the the lamb standing
up is just so he can be dressed, and it does have similarities to a penguin
with its round belly, I suppose.


 2. Da, da, konech'no, mais, Signori und Demoiselles, do you realize that
 lamb is an English word, and we should think about our multilingual
 society. with our agneaux and other Karakuls. You will have problems with
 the translation of the mascot into German, and some may find some analogies
 with another image:
 http://www.chrisrusak.com/**images/11-013_small.jpghttp://www.chrisrusak.com/images/11-013_small.jpg
 called  Ein liebliches Lämmlein zu Tod (after Des Knaben Wunderhorn, in
 the last part of Mahler 4th Symphony).

 3. On the other hand, from the cultural point of view, this is a very good
 idea, and quite international, everybody knows Lamb Curry (Rogan Josh):
 http://www.route79.com/food/**rogan-josh.htmhttp://www.route79.com/food/rogan-josh.htm


Some might picture a symphony or what looks like newspaper origami when
they hear Da, and some might picture food when they hear Curry. I like Da
because its simple and Da the lamb rolls smoothly off the tongue.
Probably best to open a poll to and let everyone decide.


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-16 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.comwrote:

 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:06 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:


 Some might picture a symphony or what looks like newspaper origami when
 they hear Da, and some might picture food when they hear Curry. I like Da
 because its simple and Da the lamb rolls smoothly off the tongue.
 Probably best to open a poll to and let everyone decide.


 Not trying to complicate things any further but perhaps it'd be better to
 have a contest on this, just like for the new logo.

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You're probably right, I guess someone can create a new poll like the
previous one:

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?num_winners=1id=E_d21b0256a4fd5ed7algorithm=beatpath

I took Jerzy's suggestions into consideration and made the lamb skinnier,
maybe it looks less like a penguin now.

http://imgur.com/4oeJz

Thanks for the conversation so far, I'm glad there's interest in a mascot.



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-16 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:


 You're probably right, I guess someone can create a new poll like the
 previous one:


 http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?num_winners=1id=E_d21b0256a4fd5ed7algorithm=beatpath



I would create the poll for a mascot, but I think this is up to someone
else.

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[Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-15 Thread heathmatlock
I liked Go's mascot, and I figure it couldn't hurt to have our own. I spent
the past hour making this:
http://i.imgur.com/Mib6Q.png

What do you think?

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-15 Thread heathmatlock
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic 
ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote:

 Um do we _really_ need a mascot?


I don't think a programming community every really needs a mascot, just
nice to have.


 And no offence to your
 artistic abilities, but even if we did, I don't see how a lamb relates
 to Haskell :/


The lamb is a play on lambda calculus.



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-15 Thread heathmatlock
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons 
dofp.hask...@gmail.com wrote:

  I don't see how a lamb relates to Haskell :/


 The lamb is named Da.


That works too. I couldn't resist:

http://i.imgur.com/5222B.png

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Lambda_Calculus for
reference.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-15 Thread heathmatlock
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:18 PM, John Meacham j...@repetae.net wrote:

 People tend to concentrate on the lambda which cooresponds to the
 functional aspect of haskell when designing logos. Not nearly enough
 attention is paid to the other striking feature, the laziness. The
 'bottom' symbol _|_ should feature prominently. The two most defining
 features of haskell are that it is purely functional and _|_ inhabits
 every type. The combination of which is very powerful.

John


I would have to think about this a bit longer, but here's the symbol
reworked onto the helmet:

http://i.imgur.com/ZziGQ.png

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-15 Thread heathmatlock
Da the lamb, I like that.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] A Mascot

2011-11-15 Thread heathmatlock
Last image for the night, http://i.imgur.com/CE9Tk.png

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:03 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:

 Da the lamb, I like that.


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