Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-23 Thread Albert Y. C. Lai
Benjamin L.Russell wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:46:00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A paintbrush is easy to use, but hard to use well. An interesting analogy. Then, in the style of a verbal analogy exam question: C++ : paintbrush :: Haskell : ? C++ : paintbrush :: Haskell : gimp or

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-23 Thread Luke Palmer
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Albert Y. C. Lai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin L.Russell wrote: C++ : paintbrush :: Haskell : ? C++ : paintbrush :: Haskell : gimp or photoshop ? [...] C++ : paintbrush :: Haskell : OpenGL ? [...] C++ : paintbrush :: Haskell : graphics software used

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-23 Thread Dan Weston
For the record, C++ (and a crippled scripting language call MEL that makes C look good) were used in the Maya 3D graphics software used for the Lord of the Rings movies [1]: Weta Digital utilized Maya® as the core 3D animation software technology throughout the process of creating digital

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-22 Thread Mauricio
At first, make sure you have Bjarne Stroustrup book (very important: last edition). If there's anything good in C++, it's there. Look also at his homepage: http://www.research.att.com/~bs/homepage.html I got the third edition and read it a couple of times... It's not that I'm lacking knowledge

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-22 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Mauricio, Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 2:23:55 PM, you wrote: Well, one thing I miss from C++ is the idea of acquiring resources in constructors and releasing them in destructors, as explained here: (Haskell uses that in 'with...' functions, like 'withFile', but the syntax in C++

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-22 Thread Achim Schneider
Bulat Ziganshin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Mauricio, Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 2:23:55 PM, you wrote: Well, one thing I miss from C++ is the idea of acquiring resources in constructors and releasing them in destructors, as explained here: (Haskell uses that in 'with...'

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-21 Thread Benjamin L . Russell
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:46:00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A paintbrush is easy to use, but hard to use well. An interesting analogy. Then, in the style of a verbal analogy exam question: C++ : paintbrush :: Haskell : ? Is C++ really easy to use? -- Benjamin L. Russell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-21 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Benjamin, Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 8:13:55 AM, you wrote: Maybe this is just me, but if I had to choose a tool, I'd choose one that would be easy to use well. and what tool you choose in 80's? :) -- Best regards, Bulatmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-21 Thread Colin Paul Adams
Bulat == Bulat Ziganshin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bulat Hello Benjamin, Bulat Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 8:13:55 AM, you wrote: Maybe this is just me, but if I had to choose a tool, I'd choose one that would be easy to use well. Bulat and what tool you choose in 80's? :) A

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-21 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Colin, Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:56:30 PM, you wrote: Bulat and what tool you choose in 80's? :) A TARDIS. and why it not ruled the world? :) -- Best regards, Bulatmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-21 Thread Eric Willigers
Achim Schneider wrote: What kind of things, barring coding on Haskell-less platforms and library interfaces would you choose to do in C++? transactional database servers HTML renderers ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-21 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Benjamin L. Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:08:06 +0200, Achim Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of things, barring coding on Haskell-less platforms and library interfaces would you choose to do in C++? I'm asking 'cos

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-21 Thread Achim Schneider
Benjamin L.Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the following uncensored interview with Bjarne Stroustrup, the designer of C++, and then tell me what you think: An Interview with Bjarne Stroustrup http://www.ariel.com.au/jokes/An_Interview_with_Bjarne_Stroustrup.html As I read it the

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-21 Thread Achim Schneider
Mauricio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At first, make sure you have Bjarne Stroustrup book (very important: last edition). If there's anything good in C++, it's there. Look also at his homepage: http://www.research.att.com/~bs/homepage.html I got the third edition and read it a couple of

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-20 Thread Mauricio
What kind of things do you prefer? Databases, science, math, web? At first, make sure you have Bjarne Stroustrup book (very important: last edition). If there's anything good in C++, it's there. Look also at his homepage: http://www.research.att.com/~bs/homepage.html Bjarne is the guy who

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-20 Thread Benjamin L . Russell
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:08:06 +0200, Achim Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of things, barring coding on Haskell-less platforms and library interfaces would you choose to do in C++? I'm asking 'cos I'm learning C++ and can't get the proper motivation to do any program I can think of

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-20 Thread Benjamin L . Russell
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:50:45 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is that C++ is a tool that's hard to use well. But that's why they pay us the big bucks, right? Interesting argument. At first I thought that the following uncensored interview with Bjarne Stroustrup was a joke, but your

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A heretic question

2008-10-20 Thread ajb
G'day aoll. Quoting Benjamin L.Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting argument. At first I thought that the following uncensored interview with Bjarne Stroustrup was a joke, but your argument makes it seem all the more plausible: That's not quite what I meant. What I meant is that Visual