Re: [HCP-Users] MSMAll vs. MSMSulc reliability in our data

2019-05-09 Thread Glasser, Matthew
This issue of what kind of data and how much is something we plan to investigate in detail for MSMAll (and the cortical areal classifier). Matt. From: "Harms, Michael" Date: Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 4:41 PM To: "Glasser, Matthew" , Maria Sison , Steve Smith Cc: HCP 讨论组 Subject: Re:

Re: [HCP-Users] MSMAll vs. MSMSulc reliability in our data

2019-05-09 Thread Harms, Michael
While I’m not surprised that the ICCs would be lower for an anatomical-based measure for MSMAll than MSMSulc, I am surprised by the magnitude of the change (from 0.9 to 0.65), especially for a parcellated analysis, since only changes in the precise border of the parcellations should be

Re: [HCP-Users] MSMAll vs. MSMSulc reliability in our data

2019-05-09 Thread Glasser, Matthew
Not running sICA+FIX might well be a part of the problem. The TR is quite long as Steve says, which will limit the accuracy of sICA+FIX cleanup some also. Also, surface area and thickness might prefer MSMSulc due to correlations with folding patterns. Myelin, task, and resting state fMRI

Re: [HCP-Users] MSMAll vs. MSMSulc reliability in our data

2019-05-09 Thread Maria Sison
Thank you so much, this is very helpful and interesting to think about. We concatenated rest and tasks and regressed out tasks to get around 1000 TRs of pseudo-rest which we then used for MSMAll. Still not nearly as much as HCP, but I would be interested to hear what a ballpark minimum data

Re: [HCP-Users] MSMAll vs. MSMSulc reliability in our data

2019-05-09 Thread Steve Smith
Hi - probably the single primary thing is number of timepoints - though things like TR and spatial resolution will also affect this. My guess is still that probably you don't have enough timepoints here to get decent single-subject RSN maps (decen enough for MSMALL that is). Emma or Matt

Re: [HCP-Users] MSMAll vs. MSMSulc reliability in our data

2019-05-09 Thread Maria Sison
Hello, Here’s our rfMRI protocol: each participant was scanned using a Siemens Skyra 3T scanner equipped with a 64-channel head/neck coil. A series of 72 interleaved axial T2-weighted functional slices were acquired using a 3-fold multi-band accelerated echo planar imaging sequence with the

Re: [HCP-Users] MSMAll vs. MSMSulc reliability in our data

2019-05-09 Thread Steve Smith
Hi - what is your rfMRI protocol? It might be that you're right that the difference is in the preprop - but my first guess might be that - if the rfMRI data is not as high quality as HCP rfMRI data - it might not be good enough to reliably drive MSMALL? Cheers. > On 9 May 2019, at 14:45,

[HCP-Users] MSMAll vs. MSMSulc reliability in our data

2019-05-09 Thread Maria Sison
Dear experts, We have run the HCP minimal preprocessing pipelines on our data (1 mm isotropic T1w and FLAIR + rest and 4 tasks) and compared test-retest reliability for MSMSulc and MSMAll in 20 subjects. Specifically, we looked at intraclass correlations for parcellated cortical thickness and

Re: [HCP-Users] matlab cifti functions dependency issue?

2019-05-09 Thread Timothy Coalson
Additionally, this may already be fixed in the latest master (as of 3 weeks ago). Tim On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 1:47 PM Timothy Coalson wrote: > The quick solution is to add that path to your default matlab path, with > the added benefit that you can then use ciftiopen and related in your own >

Re: [HCP-Users] matlab cifti functions dependency issue?

2019-05-09 Thread Timothy Coalson
The quick solution is to add that path to your default matlab path, with the added benefit that you can then use ciftiopen and related in your own code. Our setups always have a version of these functions in the default matlab path, which is probably why we missed this. Tim On Thu, May 9, 2019

[HCP-Users] matlab cifti functions dependency issue?

2019-05-09 Thread Moataz Assem
Hi, When running MSMAllPipelineBatch, it ultimately calls the matlab function ComputeVN (in my case, running the matlab interpreted version) which then crashes because it doesn't recognize the "ciftiopen" function. Obviously it can't find the directory where the function is. I have already