[Heb-NACO] words starting with דרמ-

2016-04-28 Thread Shinohara, Jasmin 
HCM2 clearly states דרמה as exception to vocalization of foreign loan words 
(“first sheṿa in a foreign loan word with an initial consonantal cluster is 
generally treated as a sheṿa naḥ…” cf. p. 19).  Do other words starting with 
that “root” follow that same exception, e.g. דרמטורגיה, דרמטי, דרמטיזציה, etc.?
Thank, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] words starting with דרמ-

2016-04-28 Thread Heidi G Lerner 
I would certainly think so. I can't think why not.


The wod, while not of themselves completely foreign words: they are based on 
one.


Just my thoughts.


Best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

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From: Shinohara, Jasmin 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:13 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Cc: Heidi G Lerner
Subject: words starting with דרמ-


HCM2 clearly states דרמה as exception to vocalization of foreign loan words 
("first she?a in a foreign loan word with an initial consonantal cluster is 
generally treated as a she?a na?..." cf. p. 19).  Do other words starting with 
that "root" follow that same exception, e.g. דרמטורגיה, דרמטי, דרמטיזציה, etc.?

Thank, Jasmin



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Jasmin Shinohara

Hebraica Cataloging Librarian

University of Pennsylvania

Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center

3420 Walnut Street

Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206

T. 215-746-6397

F. 215-573-9610

jsh...@upenn.edu


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[Heb-NACO] ending punctuation in fields ending with abbrev.

2016-04-28 Thread Shinohara, Jasmin 
Hello all, מועדים לשמחה

I have in front of me a case of a 245 and a 505 that end with rashe tevot (z. 
ts. ṿe-ḳ.l.l.h.h. in the 245 and li-f.ḳ. in the 505).  Please confirm that 
I’m supposed to end the field with a second mark of punctuation (full stop) 
following that of the abbreviation.

I looked at the RDA ISBD punctuation sections for guidance (Appendix D and 1.7 
and its accompanying LCC-PCC PS) but didn’t find examples for 24x or 5xx 
fields.  I recall the example during training where the 250 ed. statement ends 
with an abbreviation, a second full stop would be added as part of ISBD 
punctuation, e.g., if the statement is given as “3rd ed.”, the 250 would 
present as “3rd ed..”  (See Adam Schiff’s ‘Changes from AACR2 to 
RDA’ 
and 
HCM2
 p.43: “Tsṿeyţe oysg..”)  But these are specific to ed. statements.  Does the 
principle apply to other fields as well?

One option is to omit the abbreviations, but that isn’t really in the spirit of 
RDA’s “take what you see”.  Have others encountered similar situations? E.g., a 
title ending with E.Y. (א"י)?

Thanks and חג שמח, Jasmin

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University of Pennsylvania
Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center
3420 Walnut Street
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206
T. 215-746-6397
F. 215-573-9610
jsh...@upenn.edu

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Re: [Heb-NACO] ending punctuation in fields ending with abbrev.

2016-04-28 Thread Shinohara, Jasmin 
Thanks for your prompt response and guidance, Heidi.  Glad to hear I’m not the 
only one who finds the instructions unclear. ☺

Best wishes, Jasmin

From: Heidi G Lerner [mailto:ler...@stanford.edu]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:49 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: ending punctuation in fields ending with abbrev.


Dear Jasmin,



The closest that I have found in the RDA Toolkit is LC-PCC PS 1.7 "Fields 245, 
250. If either field 245[Image removed by 
sender.] or 250[Image removed by 
sender.] does not end in a period, 
add one."



And then we have RDA 1.7.3 "Transcribe punctuation as it appears on the source."



If you add these together you would get just 1 period





I would say that the instructions are not exactly clear. And of course examples 
would be helpful.



Best, Heidi







Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Shinohara, Jasmin 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:48 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Cc: Heidi G Lerner
Subject: ending punctuation in fields ending with abbrev.


Hello all, מועדים לשמחה



I have in front of me a case of a 245 and a 505 that end with rashe tevot (z. 
ts. ṿe-ḳ.l.l.h.h. in the 245 and li-f.ḳ. in the 505).  Please confirm that 
I’m supposed to end the field with a second mark of punctuation (full stop) 
following that of the abbreviation.



I looked at the RDA ISBD punctuation sections for guidance (Appendix D and 1.7 
and its accompanying LCC-PCC PS) but didn’t find examples for 24x or 5xx 
fields.  I recall the example during training where the 250 ed. statement ends 
with an abbreviation, a second full stop would be added as part of ISBD 
punctuation, e.g., if the statement is given as “3rd ed.”, the 250 would 
present as “3rd ed..”  (See Adam Schiff’s ‘Changes from AACR2 to 
RDA’ 
and 
HCM2
 p.43: “Tsṿeyţe oysg..”)  But these are specific to ed. statements.  Does the 
principle apply to other fields as well?



One option is to omit the abbreviations, but that isn’t really in the spirit of 
RDA’s “take what you see”.  Have others encountered similar situations? E.g., a 
title ending with E.Y. (א"י)?



Thanks and חג שמח, Jasmin



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Jasmin Shinohara

Hebraica Cataloging Librarian

University of Pennsylvania

Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center

3420 Walnut Street

Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206

T. 215-746-6397

F. 215-573-9610

jsh...@upenn.edu


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Re: [Heb-NACO] ending punctuation in fields ending with abbrev.

2016-04-28 Thread Heidi G Lerner 
Dear Jasmin,


The closest that I have found in the RDA Toolkit is LC-PCC PS 1.7 "Fields 245, 
250. If either field 
245[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/externallink.png]
 or 
250[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/externallink.png]
 does not end in a period, add one."


And then we have RDA 1.7.3 "Transcribe punctuation as it appears on the source."


If you add these together you would get just 1 period



I would say that the instructions are not exactly clear. And of course examples 
would be helpful.


Best, Heidi




Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Shinohara, Jasmin 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:48 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Cc: Heidi G Lerner
Subject: ending punctuation in fields ending with abbrev.


Hello all, ?? ?



I have in front of me a case of a 245 and a 505 that end with rashe tevot (z. 
ts. v?e-k?.l.l.h.h. in the 245 and li-f.k?. in the 505).  Please confirm that 
I'm supposed to end the field with a second mark of punctuation (full stop) 
following that of the abbreviation.



I looked at the RDA ISBD punctuation sections for guidance (Appendix D and 1.7 
and its accompanying LCC-PCC PS) but didn't find examples for 24x or 5xx 
fields.  I recall the example during training where the 250 ed. statement ends 
with an abbreviation, a second full stop would be added as part of ISBD 
punctuation, e.g., if the statement is given as "3rd ed.", the 250 would 
present as "3rd ed.."  (See Adam Schiff's 'Changes from AACR2 to 
RDA' 
and 
HCM2
 p.43: "Ts?eyte oysg..")  But these are specific to ed. statements.  Does the 
principle apply to other fields as well?



One option is to omit the abbreviations, but that isn't really in the spirit of 
RDA's "take what you see".  Have others encountered similar situations? E.g., a 
title ending with E.Y. (?"?)?



Thanks and ?? ???, Jasmin



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Jasmin Shinohara

Hebraica Cataloging Librarian

University of Pennsylvania

Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center

3420 Walnut Street

Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206

T. 215-746-6397

F. 215-573-9610

jsh...@upenn.edu


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