Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
> No, not at all, any editor you're comfortable with will do. Emacs has just > one advantage over everything else, and that's the fact that the syntax > highlighting for GST for Emacs is included in the repo. Actually, the more up-to-date code for that is in the GNU ELPA repository

Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-13 Thread Holger Freyther
Indeed. We should promote 3.2.91 to 3.3.0 and cope with VisualGST being slightly broken (it's based on GTK+ 2.0 anyway). Let me aim to do this before the end of the year. holger > On 14. Nov 2021, at 09:11, bill-auger wrote: > > FWIW, the history of smalltralk is lined with arguments such

Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-13 Thread bill-auger
FWIW, the history of smalltralk is lined with arguments such that it is an evolutionary dead-end, - the rationales have shifted drastically and continuously over the years; but guess what, smalltalk is still here and still evolving WRT GNU smalltalk, those distros with a broken GST are using the

RE: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-13 Thread Mark Bratcher
I use Visual Studio Code with GNU Smalltalk. There’s actually a very good Smalltalk syntax highlighter for the language. Sent from Mail for Windows From: s...@pandora.beSent: Saturday, November 13, 2021 5:51 AMTo: Sam LeeCc: help-smalltalkSubject: Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?  There is no problem

Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-13 Thread Derek Zhou via Users mailing list for the GNU Smalltalk environment
On 2021-11-13 18:41:23Z, Piotr Klibert wrote: > GST may be slow and buggy and without libraries, but it's also stable GST is not slow, at least not slow in its class, which is bytecode compiled dynamic typed language without a JIT. It is also not particularly buggy in this class. The VM is

Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-13 Thread Piotr Klibert
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021, at 10:50, Sam Lee wrote: > Good to know. Will I be missing out on lots of GNU Smalltalk's ecosystem > and features if I do not use Emacs? I know how to use Emacs but it is > not something I prefer. > > IMO, dependence on GNU Emacs is bad for the language because of high >

Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-13 Thread Piotr Klibert
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021, at 08:26, Sam Lee wrote: > Is GNU Smalltalk abandoned? Not exactly. There are a few maintainers around, so they will probably accept patches. But nothing new happened in the last few years, as you say. > The most recent release was from 2013 (version 3.2.5) [2]. I think

Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-13 Thread Sam Lee
On 2021-11-13 09:38 +0100, s...@pandora.be wrote: > VisualGST still compiles for me on Solaris 11.4 by the way. I see. I am using Debian and Ubuntu. VisualGST has not worked on Debian and Ubuntu in nearly a decade: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnu-smalltalk/+bug/995016 > I think the

Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-13 Thread s...@pandora.be
There is no problem to create files with "vi" or "pico" and use them with "GNU smalltalk", there is something more subtle like overall product philosophy or 'personal touch', that is harder to get the same when the original author certainly preferred GNU emacs (I think). Regards, David Stes

Re: Is GNU Smalltalk dead?

2021-11-13 Thread s...@pandora.be
VisualGST still compiles for me on Solaris 11.4 by the way. Personally I don't use VisualGST and I think the original approach of GNU Smalltalk was rather to use GNU emacs as its code browser. Other Smalltalk implementations can be complementary. I think that GNU smalltalk is rather for more