Re: [HG] Russian Folk Tune
Hi all, I think, better than strange scales with missing notes (Graham, I know you meant no negative connotation :^) we can refer to the lira more accurately as a primarily pentatonically organized instrument. This is similar (and note here the etymological similarity as well) to another instrument which is also primarily pentatonic in nature, the lyre. The plucked lyre was played in Kievan-Rus earlier than the lira, and it can be conjectured that the melodic patterns of tunes or accompaniment utilized by these slavic bards (skoromokhi) were more easy to transfer to a lira that was pentatonically capable. (Of course, it is equally compelling to surmise that an instrument would be easier to make, especially by non-professional luthiers, if one didn't have to deal with pythagorean math on the keybox layout...) In any event, as some of our colleagues have pointed out, its home is centered around D, and the pentachord is arranged as C-D-F-G-A. If you have one of those kids Waldorf-school lyres, tunes the (lower) five strings to this pattern you'll be able to play the tune that way, too. cheers, Vlad Wolodymyr Smishkewych wolodymyrsmishkewych.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 19 2008, at 07:57, Graham Whyte wrote: The instrument I think, is a Lira (Lyra) Liras have strange scales with missing notes Look at the key spacing The tune is played in D with D and A drones In fact it is in Authentic Dorian mode It works well without transposing on a G/C Gurdy You need no top row keys Tuning as follows Chanterelle(s) in G as normal Trompette in D as nornal Petit Bourdon tuned up from C to D Optionally Mouche tuned up from G to A I scored the first few bars (its not 100% correct but close) You can view the score as a PDF at http://www.altongate.co.uk/music/Lira_01.pdf The second line is the same as the first line but an octave higher Graham -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Smith Sent: 19 June 2008 02:15 To: aHurdyGurdy Subject: [HG] Russian Folk Tune Hello, On YouTube I have been listening to a Russian folk tune played on hurdy gurdy. I would like to learn to play it, but I can't seem to get started. It sounds like it's in a minor key or some sort of mode. Does anyone know what the starting note is or what drones to use? If I can get started on the melody, I think I can figure out the rest. I would really appreciate any help, it is a haunting tune. Here is the website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DX08nQows0 Thanks, David from Michigan, USA
RE: [HG] Russian Folk Tune
Wow! Thanks to everyone for the terrific response to my query about this Russian tune. I didn't expect such indepth responses. This will definitely get me on my way. And thank you to the Hackmans for providing this wonderful email list, what a great way to share our hurdy gurdy and musical knowledge. David
Re: [HG] Russian Folk Tune
I bought his album, its avail on iTunes ][=+Sent from my iPhone+=][ On Jun 18, 2008, at 6:15 PM, David Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, On YouTube I have been listening to a Russian folk tune played on hurdy gurdy. I would like to learn to play it, but I can't seem to get started. It sounds like it's in a minor key or some sort of mode. Does anyone know what the starting note is or what drones to use? If I can get started on the melody, I think I can figure out the rest. I would really appreciate any help, it is a haunting tune. Here is the website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DX08nQows0 Thanks, David from Michigan, USA
[HG] Russian Folk Tune
Hello, On YouTube I have been listening to a Russian folk tune played on hurdy gurdy. I would like to learn to play it, but I can't seem to get started. It sounds like it's in a minor key or some sort of mode. Does anyone know what the starting note is or what drones to use? If I can get started on the melody, I think I can figure out the rest. I would really appreciate any help, it is a haunting tune. Here is the website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DX08nQows0 Thanks, David from Michigan, USA
Re: [HG] Russian Folk Tune
Alternatively, G melody string and one or two drones in C A low G melody string would sound very nice if you have one. The first four notes would be F F E flat C Juan Hi David Try the low drone atA Maybe another drone a bit higher at D The first 4 notes seem to be G G F D The melody goes down to C so adjust your melody string to C or lower, probably A good luck r.t. -Original Message- From: David Smith Sent: Jun 18, 2008 9:15 PM To: aHurdyGurdy Subject: [HG] Russian Folk Tune Hello, On YouTube I have been listening to a Russian folk tune played on hurdy gurdy. I would like to learn to play it, but I can't seem to get started. It sounds like it's in a minor key or some sort of mode. Does anyone know what the starting note is or what drones to use? If I can get started on the melody, I think I can figure out the rest. I would really appreciate any help, it is a haunting tune. Here is the website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DX08nQows0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DX08nQows0 Thanks, David from Michigan, USA
Re: [HG] Russian Folk Tune
nice, my HG is set up that way - even with a low G melody string. I will try that when I get it from the luthier on July 4th! On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Juan Wijngaard and Sharon Berman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, G melody string and one or two drones in C A low G melody string would sound very nice if you have one. The first four notes would be F F E flat C Juan Hi David Try the low drone atA Maybe another drone a bit higher at D The first 4 notes seem to be G G F D The melody goes down to C so adjust your melody string to C or lower, probably A good luck r.t. -Original Message- From: David Smith Sent: Jun 18, 2008 9:15 PM To: aHurdyGurdy Subject: [HG] Russian Folk Tune Hello, On YouTube I have been listening to a Russian folk tune played on hurdy gurdy. I would like to learn to play it, but I can't seem to get started. It sounds like it's in a minor key or some sort of mode. Does anyone know what the starting note is or what drones to use? If I can get started on the melody, I think I can figure out the rest. I would really appreciate any help, it is a haunting tune. Here is the website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DX08nQows0 Thanks, David from Michigan, USA
