RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
Last time we have you for a sleep over!, I'm telling mom!. -Original Message- From: Ken Birdwell To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: 12/5/01 6:39 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious no sounds kind of nasty, like we're refusing and keeping it to ourselves. The answer is we can't. The bsp's won't load with your version of the engine. A lot of the demo map files are either lost, changed beyond recognition, never checked in, reference textures that don't exist anymore, or are interim .rmf versions that WC can't read anymore. The monsters either were never finished, were done with out of date versions of Max, only work in the demo area, only work on privates builds of the engine, or got cut and AI code for them is long gone and nasty to try to dig back out. Our content database also has limits, so when the level designers are checking in their 1.5MB bsp's once every few days, it doesn't take long with 115+ files to fill up the database (most maps went through 30-50 iterations) and things need to get flushed. With older content, typically versions only work with very specific builds of the engine, so we'd have to hunt through and recover everything in a hopes that just maybe _all_ the different files still exist somewhere for that date. You have everything we still have, I spent quiet a while hunting it down to put in the SDK. Okay, I suspect some of us have CD's buried somewhere at home that have really early builds of the engine. But, looking at it critically is really embarrassing. You know those school pictures your mom has of you in 2nd grade wearing that purple and brown velour shirt with you just after losing your front teeth and you had that really bad haircut your dad gave you? Remember those pictures? Well, without being very very careful with getting just the right shot, early versions of half-life look like that, except that it's also just about to sneeze. Hmm. Okay, maybe no is the correct answer. -Original Message- From: Biggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I asked this question years ago right after HL was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK addon. The answer i got was no. ~Biggs - Original Message - From: Andrew Foss mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer. upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map. My question is this: Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work? can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :) --cannibal ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
http://www.moddev.net/files/planet half-life - half-life bloopers.mp3 - 2.24mb is the correct address. Made it clickable: http://www.moddev.net/files/planet%20half-life%20-%20half-life%20bloopers.mp3 :) Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
muy gracias =) - Original Message - From: Florian Zschocke Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious http://www.moddev.net/files/planet half-life - half-life bloopers.mp3 - 2.24mb is the correct address.Made it clickable:http://www.moddev.net/files/planet%20half-life%20-%20half-life%20bloopers.mp3:)Florian.___To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcodersGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
[DRP]Avatar-X wrote: I don't have those either! :( Dammit i played Duke like a nutcase but i only had Compuserve back then, i missed out on a lot of multiplayer and stuff Can someone link me? :P Okay, here is what I got: http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/florian.zschocke/stuff/DNbloopers.tgz And one from a different FPS, but I can't remember the name of the game right now. :) http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/florian.zschocke/stuff/likshk04.wav Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
AW: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
OMG that editor was ... No comment! :o I played that game too, but it is illegal for me (It is banned in germany) but thats why you got to have GOOD mates! :D Cheers Snoogie -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von C. Graves Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Dezember 2001 20:33 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I can't count the endless hours into the night I spent playing Duke Nukem 3D.. anyone remeber the horrible map editor Build? christian - Original Message - From: Florian Zschocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 06.53 Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious [DRP]Avatar-X wrote: I don't have those either! :( Dammit i played Duke like a nutcase but i only had Compuserve back then, i missed out on a lot of multiplayer and stuff Can someone link me? :P Okay, here is what I got: http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/florian.zschocke/stuff/DNbloopers.tgz And one from a different FPS, but I can't remember the name of the game right now. :) http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/florian.zschocke/stuff/likshk04.wav Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
How about a blooper where the skinner/modeler let there kids do the characters? Scene 1: [Head shot of Barney talking to camera] Barney: hey you dont actually expect me to say my lines looking like this, eh? [FAST ZOOM OUT TO REVEAL A CRAYON COLOURED BARNEY or MATCH STICK BODY BARNEY or ONE OF THOSE EARLY MODELS WE ALL TRIED TO DO BUT FORTUNATELY DISCOVERED THE DELETE KEY BEFORE ANYONE NOTTICED] Scene 2: A Face Crab advances slowly on a prone Barney. It stops dead with a little WHHURring sound. Barney looks pleadingly at the camera, while a techy runs out to wind it back up. Scene 3. A zombie is kicking and making muffled screams from the lying on a hospital trolley being wheeled past the camera with people shouting: For God sake! Get a paramedic! and I told him not to try picking his nose! Scene 4: The celebrations at the After hours party with a conga line of zombies. Okay, I think thats about done it do death J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Birdwell Sent: 06 December 2001 02:39 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious no sounds kind of nasty, like we're refusing and keeping it to ourselves.The answer is we can't. The bsp's won't load with your version of the engine. A lot of the demo map files are either lost, changed beyond recognition, never checked in, reference textures that don't exist anymore, or are interim .rmf versions that WC can't read anymore. The monsters either were never finished, were done with out of date versions of Max,only work in the demo area, only work on privates builds of the engine, or got cut and AI code for them is long gone and nasty to try to dig back out. Our content database also has limits, so when the level designers are checking in their 1.5MB bsp's once every few days, it doesn't take long with 115+ filesto fill up the database (most maps went through 30-50 iterations) and things need to get flushed. With older content, typically versions only work with very specific builds of the engine, so we'd have to hunt through and recover everything in a hopes that just maybe _all_ the different files still exist somewhere for that date. You have everything we still have, I spent quiet a while hunting it down to put in the SDK. Okay, I suspect some of us have CD's buried somewhere at home that have really early builds of the engine. But, looking at it critically is really embarrassing. You know those school pictures your mom has of you in 2nd grade wearing that purple and brown velour shirt with you just after losing your front teeth and you had that really bad haircut your dad gave you? Remember those pictures? Well, without being very very careful with getting just the right shot, early versions of half-life look like that, except that it's also just about to sneeze. Hmm. Okay, maybe no is the correct answer. -Original Message- From: Biggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I asked this question years ago right after HL was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK addon. Theanswer i got was no. ~Biggs - Original Message - From: Andrew Foss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer. upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map. My question is this: Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work?can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :) --cannibal
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
I had to seach bluesnews for a while, but I found 'em. http://www.3drealms.com/duke3d/outtakes.html Those are so funny (again)! Tim I don't have those either! :( Dammit i played Duke like a nutcase but i only had Compuserve back then, i missed out on a lot of multiplayer and stuff Can someone link me? :P Florian Zschocke wrote: You're welcome. That reminds me of the DukeNukem bloopers. You guys still remember them? They were hillarious. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
ROFL! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tim Faehnle Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I had to seach bluesnews for a while, but I found 'em. http://www.3drealms.com/duke3d/outtakes.html Those are so funny (again)! Tim I don't have those either! :( Dammit i played Duke like a nutcase but i only had Compuserve back then, i missed out on a lot of multiplayer and stuff Can someone link me? :P Florian Zschocke wrote: You're welcome. That reminds me of the DukeNukem bloopers. You guys still remember them? They were hillarious. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
Maybe they will release a half-life Directors cut J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris 'Tal-N' Blane Sent: 05 December 2001 02:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I did hear along time ago (probably a year after HL's release) that HL was supposed to start totally different with you actually making your way onto the train at the beginning (which is obviously where the released HL picked up), i remember hearing that these maps still existed. I would like to see those out of sheer curiosity. Chris 'Tal-N' Blane [C4 Software CEO] www.c4software.net - Original Message - From: [DRP]Avatar-X To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious Yeah, and it's several years later now, and the SDK has gone from a sign-up-and-have-it-mailed CD to a anyone-can-download package. Maybe Valve will change their minds, I'd love to see the old maps in use somewhere. -av Biggs wrote: I asked this question years ago right after HL was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK addon. The answer i got was no.~Biggs - Original Message - From: Andrew Foss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer.upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map.My question is this:Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work? can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :)--cannibal -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
ha! Maybe even a Limited Edition DVD with THX and Widescreen? HoundDawg-WWg-nC- World Wide Gaming Networkhttp://hl.wwgaming.com/serving - Original Message - From: Andrew Hefford To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious Maybe they will release a half-life Directors cut J -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris 'Tal-N' BlaneSent: 05 December 2001 02:12To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I did hear along time ago (probably a year after HL's release) that HL was supposed to start totally different with you actually making your way onto the train at the beginning (which is obviously where the released HL picked up), i remember hearing that these maps still existed. I would like to see those out of sheer curiosity. Chris 'Tal-N' Blane [C4 Software CEO] www.c4software.net - Original Message - From: [DRP]Avatar-X To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious Yeah, and it's several years later now, and the SDK has gone from a sign-up-and-have-it-mailed CD to a anyone-can-download package. Maybe Valve will change their minds, I'd love to see the old maps in use somewhere. -av Biggs wrote: I asked this question years ago right after HL was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK addon. The answer i got was no.~Biggs - Original Message - From: Andrew Foss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer.upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map.My question is this:Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work? can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :)--cannibal -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
lol - more like bloopers reel. I have a feeling if they cut stuff, it's because it was not so great as compared to what they finally released. However a fake bloopers real would be funny. Barney dropping his gun, missed lines, shots of headcrab'ed scientists standing around between scenes at the donut table, etc. Andrew Hefford wrote: Maybe they will release a half-life Directors cut J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris 'Tal-N' Blane Sent: 05 December 2001 02:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I did hear along time ago (probably a year after HL's release) that HL was supposed to start totally different with you actually making your way onto the train at the beginning (which is obviously where the released HL picked up), i remember hearing that these maps still existed. I would like to see those out of sheer curiosity. Chris 'Tal-N' Blane[C4 Software CEO] www.c4software.net http://www.c4software.net - Original Message - From: [DRP]Avatar-X mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious Yeah, and it's several years later now, and the SDK has gone from a sign-up-and-have-it-mailed CD to a anyone-can-download package. Maybe Valve will change their minds, I'd love to see the old maps in use somewhere. -av Biggs wrote: I asked this question years ago right after HL was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK addon. The answer i got was no. ~Biggs - Original Message - From: Andrew Foss mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer. upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map. My question is this:Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work? can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :) --cannibal -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
I'd like to check out some of those maps shown in the early screenshots... especially those sci-fi-ish yellowy ones :-) It would be cool to check out those super low poly boxy scientists too. -- dodgy aka David Hunt Leader, Uncrossable Parallel website: http://www.planethalflife.com/uncrossable/sf/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: irc.gamesnet.net:6667 #parallels icq: 93350590 - Original Message - From: Neale Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
However a fake bloopers real would be funny. Barney dropping his gun, missed lines, shots of headcrab'ed scientists standing around between scenes at the donut table, etc. Now I want to know who the voice actors were, so we can beg them to do lines for a bloopers demo... (imagine a HL/Blue shift/opfor/CS bloopers reel) Remember on PHL a while ago, they had an mp3 of some HL bloopers? I'd like to see that put to models, in a demo, with original voice actors... ... the chest chamber. Did you just say the chest chamber? aww, damn, can we go again? Maybe they will release a half-life Directors cut That sounds like a cool bit, just, all the content that they cut, and the approximate sequence, merged into HL... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
Sounds like fun. I love that media file! Okay, I can't take it anymore, what the hell is OT??? - Original Message - From: Andrew Foss Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious However a fake bloopers real would be funny. Barney dropping his gun, missed lines, shots of headcrab'ed scientists standing around between scenes at the donut table, etc. Now I want to know who the voice actors were, so we can beg them to dolines for a bloopers demo... (imagine a HL/Blue shift/opfor/CS bloopersreel) Remember on PHL a while ago, they had an mp3 of some HL bloopers? I'dlike to see that put to models, in a demo, with original voice actors..."... the chest chamber."Did you just say "the chest chamber"?aww, damn, can we go again? Maybe they will release a half-life Directors cutThat sounds like a cool bit, just, all the content that they cut, and theapproximate sequence, merged into HL...___To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcodersGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
Sounds like fun. I love that media file! Okay, I can't take it anymore, what the hell is OT??? OT = Off Topic. -James Corvidae Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Administrator, Wavelength Forums (http://www.planethalflife.com/wavelength) Co-Leader / Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
oh thank you god! - Original Message - From: James Williams Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious Sounds like fun. I love that media file! Okay, I can't take it anymore,what the hell is OT???OT = Off Topic.-James "Corvidae" Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED])Administrator, Wavelength Forums (http://www.planethalflife.com/wavelength)Co-Leader / Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com)___To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcodersGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
"no"
sounds kind of nasty, like we're refusing and keeping it to
ourselves.The answer is "we can't". The bsp's won't load with
your version of the engine. A lot of the demo map files are either lost,
changed beyond recognition, never checked in, reference textures that don't
exist anymore, or are interim .rmf versions that WC can't read anymore.
The monsters either were never finished, were done with out of date versions of
Max,only work in the demo area, only work on privates builds of the
engine, or got cut and AI code for them is long gone and nasty to try to dig
back out. Our content database also has limits, so when the level
designers are checking in their 1.5MB bsp's once every few days, it doesn't take
long with 115+ filesto fill up the database (most maps went through 30-50
iterations) and things need to get flushed. With older content, typically
versions only work with very specific builds of the engine, so we'd have to hunt
through and recover everything in a hopes that just maybe _all_ the different
files still exist somewhere for that date. You have everything we still
have, I spent quiet a while hunting it down to put in the
SDK.
Okay,
I suspect some of us have CD's buried somewhere at home that have really early
builds of the engine. But, looking at it critically is really
embarrassing. You know those school pictures your mom has of you in 2nd
grade wearing that purple and brown velour shirt with you just after losing your
front teeth and you had that really bad haircut your dad gave you?
Remember those pictures? Well, without being very very careful with
getting just the right shot, early versions of half-life look like that, except
that it's also just about to sneeze. Hmm. Okay, maybe "no" is the
correct answer.
-Original Message-From:
Biggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001
10:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re:
[hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
I asked this question years ago right after HL
was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw
in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider
releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK
addon. Theanswer i got was no.
~Biggs
- Original Message -
From:
Andrew Foss
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59
AM
Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to
valve, curious
I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I
came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life
trailer.
upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits.
almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models
still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut.
Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map.
My question is this:
Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of
code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you
still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider
releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they
look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work?can the
mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :)
--cannibal
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
LOL, that kind of makes it clear :) Too bad, but understandable. Can anyone link me to that bloopers sound? Oh, and one thing I want to know: who did that creepy VOX voice? or is it text-to-speech. -av Ken Birdwell wrote: "no" sounds kind of nasty, like we're refusing and keeping it to ourselves. The answer is "we can't". The bsp's won't load with your version of the engine. A lot of the demo map files are either lost, changed beyond recognition, never checked in, reference textures that don't exist anymore, or are interim .rmf versions that WC can't read anymore. The monsters either were never finished, were done with out of date versions of Max, only work in the demo area, only work on privates builds of the engine, or got cut and AI code for them is long gone and nasty to try to dig back out. Our content database also has limits, so when the level designers are checking in their 1.5MB bsp's once every few days, it doesn't take long with 115+ files to fill up the database (most maps went through 30-50 iterations) and things need to get flushed. With older content, typically versions only work with very specific builds of the engine, so we'd have to hunt through and recover everything in a hopes that just maybe _all_ the different files still exist somewhere for that date. You have everything we still have, I spent quiet a while hunting it down to put in the SDK.Okay, I suspect some of us have CD's buried somewhere at home that have really early builds of the engine. But, looking at it critically is really embarrassing. You know those school pictures your mom has of you in 2nd grade wearing that purple and brown velour shirt with you just after losing your front teeth and you had that really bad haircut your dad gave you? Remember those pictures? Well, without being very very careful with getting just the right shot, early versions of half-life look like that, except that it's also just about to sneeze. Hmm. Okay, maybe "no" is the correct answer.-Original Message- From: Biggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I asked this question years ago right after HL was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK addon. The answer i got was no.~Biggs - Original Message - From: Andrew Foss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer.upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map.My question is this:Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work? can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :)--cannibal -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
Yeah, and it's several years later now, and the SDK has gone from a sign-up-and-have-it-mailed CD to a anyone-can-download package. Maybe Valve will change their minds, I'd love to see the old maps in use somewhere. -av Biggs wrote: I asked this question years ago right after HL was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK addon. The answer i got was no.~Biggs - Original Message - From: Andrew Foss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer.upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map.My question is this:Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work? can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :)--cannibal -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
I did hear along time ago (probably a year after HL's release) that HL was supposed to start totally different with you actually making your way onto the train at the beginning (which is obviously where the released HL picked up), i remember hearing that these maps still existed. I would like to see those out of sheer curiosity. Chris 'Tal-N' Blane [C4 Software CEO] www.c4software.net - Original Message - From: [DRP]Avatar-X To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious Yeah, and it's several years later now, and the SDK has gone from a sign-up-and-have-it-mailed CD to a anyone-can-download package. Maybe Valve will change their minds, I'd love to see the old maps in use somewhere. -av Biggs wrote: I asked this question years ago right after HL was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK addon. The answer i got was no.~Biggs - Original Message - From: Andrew Foss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curiousI was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer.upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map.My question is this:Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work? can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :)--cannibal -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com
[hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious
I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer. upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map. My question is this: Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work?can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :) --cannibal
