RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Persuter Sent: 10 March 2002 07:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? /me notes that it seems unlikely that MS would use any type of MFC stuff in their programs. Why in the world would you use generalized libraries when you can knock on the next office and get the source? Check SPY+ on a few MS apps.. You'll be surprised. Visual Studio uses MFC heavily for a start. And Gollum, indeed I had noticed that VB5 and VB6 are light years ahead of the early stuff. Very nice for simple database applications, good SQL stuff. Kudos. :) The easiest way to tell is to run SPY+ and look at the class names. MFC stuff has random ids attached to the name, whereas stright API classes are plain names like Edit and listbox. Also, Delphi/CBuilder stuff has names such as TApplication and TButton. As for VB, i'm not sure, but I guess they have different names too. Cry0Gem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Simon Rose Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? I read in a book about someone who was trying to write a toolbar like Microsoft's (this was some time back), so they used that Spy tool on one of Microsoft's products to intercept the messages expecting MFC type stuff or similar going on. They found nothing of the sort and summised (correctly I feel) that MS wrote quite a lot of their UI from the ground-up. I doubt they would have used VB for this, but I'm open to it being possible. Simon PS: I wish MS would provide most of the standard UI elements (such as power toolbar, menu and docking windows a la InterDev etc) in their developer products, that way we wouldn't have to spend the first 30% of our time trying to be like them, only for the other 70% of our time trying not to be like them! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pat Magnan Sent: 08 March 2002 09:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Ok, how dumb of me earlier. I ran all the .exes through the dependency walker that comes with Visual Studio. A VB App (any that I've ever seen, are all dependent on: MSVBVM50.DLL which in turn depends on stuff like GDI, Kernell, etc type dlls An MFC App would have MFC42 dll in its dependency tree, then GDI and kernell etc. For Office (for example), I see neither of those. I see WWINTL32.DLL (don't know what this is) and MSO97.DLL (likely just a library of common code for office), but no VB runtime or MFC42 anywhere in there. Therefore, if I had to make a semi-educated guess, I'd say that office is written (office 97 is what I have, so this is a little dated) entirely in C, no MFC, could be C++, but it's likely that it's using straight Win32 API calls for the GUI. Oops, sorry about the WAG I made earlier ;) That's a great tool for remembering what to ship sort of complex products, I always have it in my 'send to' menu, so I can make sure that our distribution folks never forget to include a .dll or whatever on a CD ;) Maybe they wrote them in Delphi --- Florian Zschocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Rose wrote: It always did my noodle that something could compile itself, if you see what I mean. Cool though. It's called bootstrapping and every compiler does it. You have to start at machine level somewhere, tho, unless you're cross-compiling (which is what is usually done). I would hope they don't use VB for anything. Sorry, but imho, I don't think VB is up to the job. AFAIK the UIs are in VB. Florian. ___ ___ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
As Far As I Know IMVHO, you make me ROFLMAO. BIAI http://www.ucc.ie/info/net/acronyms/acro.html Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
/me notes that it seems unlikely that MS would use any type of MFC stuff in their programs. Why in the world would you use generalized libraries when you can knock on the next office and get the source? And Gollum, indeed I had noticed that VB5 and VB6 are light years ahead of the early stuff. Very nice for simple database applications, good SQL stuff. Kudos. :) Persuter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Simon Rose Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? I read in a book about someone who was trying to write a toolbar like Microsoft's (this was some time back), so they used that Spy tool on one of Microsoft's products to intercept the messages expecting MFC type stuff or similar going on. They found nothing of the sort and summised (correctly I feel) that MS wrote quite a lot of their UI from the ground-up. I doubt they would have used VB for this, but I'm open to it being possible. Simon PS: I wish MS would provide most of the standard UI elements (such as power toolbar, menu and docking windows a la InterDev etc) in their developer products, that way we wouldn't have to spend the first 30% of our time trying to be like them, only for the other 70% of our time trying not to be like them! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pat Magnan Sent: 08 March 2002 09:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Ok, how dumb of me earlier. I ran all the .exes through the dependency walker that comes with Visual Studio. A VB App (any that I've ever seen, are all dependent on: MSVBVM50.DLL which in turn depends on stuff like GDI, Kernell, etc type dlls An MFC App would have MFC42 dll in its dependency tree, then GDI and kernell etc. For Office (for example), I see neither of those. I see WWINTL32.DLL (don't know what this is) and MSO97.DLL (likely just a library of common code for office), but no VB runtime or MFC42 anywhere in there. Therefore, if I had to make a semi-educated guess, I'd say that office is written (office 97 is what I have, so this is a little dated) entirely in C, no MFC, could be C++, but it's likely that it's using straight Win32 API calls for the GUI. Oops, sorry about the WAG I made earlier ;) That's a great tool for remembering what to ship sort of complex products, I always have it in my 'send to' menu, so I can make sure that our distribution folks never forget to include a .dll or whatever on a CD ;) Maybe they wrote them in Delphi --- Florian Zschocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Rose wrote: It always did my noodle that something could compile itself, if you see what I mean. Cool though. It's called bootstrapping and every compiler does it. You have to start at machine level somewhere, tho, unless you're cross-compiling (which is what is usually done). I would hope they don't use VB for anything. Sorry, but imho, I don't think VB is up to the job. AFAIK the UIs are in VB. Florian. ___ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Eighty percent of life is showing up. -- Woody Allen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Ok, how dumb of me earlier. I ran all the .exes through the dependency walker that comes with Visual Studio. A VB App (any that I've ever seen, are all dependent on: MSVBVM50.DLL which in turn depends on stuff like GDI, Kernell, etc type dlls An MFC App would have MFC42 dll in its dependency tree, then GDI and kernell etc. For Office (for example), I see neither of those. I see WWINTL32.DLL (don't know what this is) and MSO97.DLL (likely just a library of common code for office), but no VB runtime or MFC42 anywhere in there. Therefore, if I had to make a semi-educated guess, I'd say that office is written (office 97 is what I have, so this is a little dated) entirely in C, no MFC, could be C++, but it's likely that it's using straight Win32 API calls for the GUI. Oops, sorry about the WAG I made earlier ;) That's a great tool for remembering what to ship sort of complex products, I always have it in my 'send to' menu, so I can make sure that our distribution folks never forget to include a .dll or whatever on a CD ;) Maybe they wrote them in Delphi --- Florian Zschocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Rose wrote: It always did my noodle that something could compile itself, if you see what I mean. Cool though. It's called bootstrapping and every compiler does it. You have to start at machine level somewhere, tho, unless you're cross-compiling (which is what is usually done). I would hope they don't use VB for anything. Sorry, but imho, I don't think VB is up to the job. AFAIK the UIs are in VB. Florian. ___ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Eighty percent of life is showing up. -- Woody Allen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Am Freitag, 8. März 2002 10:38 schrieb Pat Magnan: Ok, how dumb of me earlier. I ran all the .exes through the dependency walker that comes with Visual Studio. A VB App (any that I've ever seen, are all dependent on: MSVBVM50.DLL which in turn depends on stuff like GDI, Kernell, etc type dlls An MFC App would have MFC42 dll in its dependency tree, then GDI and kernell etc. For Office (for example), I see neither of those. I see WWINTL32.DLL (don't know what this is) and MSO97.DLL (likely just a library of common code for office), but no VB runtime or MFC42 anywhere in there. You did double check that MSO97.DLL doesn't depend on MFC or VB? Well, they may have just linked that in statically.. cu, Prefect ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Office has VBA... that is why - Original Message - From: Nicolai Haehnle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Am Freitag, 8. März 2002 10:38 schrieb Pat Magnan: Ok, how dumb of me earlier. I ran all the .exes through the dependency walker that comes with Visual Studio. A VB App (any that I've ever seen, are all dependent on: MSVBVM50.DLL which in turn depends on stuff like GDI, Kernell, etc type dlls An MFC App would have MFC42 dll in its dependency tree, then GDI and kernell etc. For Office (for example), I see neither of those. I see WWINTL32.DLL (don't know what this is) and MSO97.DLL (likely just a library of common code for office), but no VB runtime or MFC42 anywhere in there. You did double check that MSO97.DLL doesn't depend on MFC or VB? Well, they may have just linked that in statically.. cu, Prefect ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
I read in a book about someone who was trying to write a toolbar like Microsoft's (this was some time back), so they used that Spy tool on one of Microsoft's products to intercept the messages expecting MFC type stuff or similar going on. They found nothing of the sort and summised (correctly I feel) that MS wrote quite a lot of their UI from the ground-up. I doubt they would have used VB for this, but I'm open to it being possible. Simon PS: I wish MS would provide most of the standard UI elements (such as power toolbar, menu and docking windows a la InterDev etc) in their developer products, that way we wouldn't have to spend the first 30% of our time trying to be like them, only for the other 70% of our time trying not to be like them! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pat Magnan Sent: 08 March 2002 09:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Ok, how dumb of me earlier. I ran all the .exes through the dependency walker that comes with Visual Studio. A VB App (any that I've ever seen, are all dependent on: MSVBVM50.DLL which in turn depends on stuff like GDI, Kernell, etc type dlls An MFC App would have MFC42 dll in its dependency tree, then GDI and kernell etc. For Office (for example), I see neither of those. I see WWINTL32.DLL (don't know what this is) and MSO97.DLL (likely just a library of common code for office), but no VB runtime or MFC42 anywhere in there. Therefore, if I had to make a semi-educated guess, I'd say that office is written (office 97 is what I have, so this is a little dated) entirely in C, no MFC, could be C++, but it's likely that it's using straight Win32 API calls for the GUI. Oops, sorry about the WAG I made earlier ;) That's a great tool for remembering what to ship sort of complex products, I always have it in my 'send to' menu, so I can make sure that our distribution folks never forget to include a .dll or whatever on a CD ;) Maybe they wrote them in Delphi --- Florian Zschocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Rose wrote: It always did my noodle that something could compile itself, if you see what I mean. Cool though. It's called bootstrapping and every compiler does it. You have to start at machine level somewhere, tho, unless you're cross-compiling (which is what is usually done). I would hope they don't use VB for anything. Sorry, but imho, I don't think VB is up to the job. AFAIK the UIs are in VB. Florian. ___ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Eighty percent of life is showing up. -- Woody Allen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Heh, good point about the static linking, dependency walker i don't think would expose that. However, unless it was statically linked, there's no double checking needed ;) It shows you what anything is dependent on, and that's how I came to that conclusion, by following all the branches. ;) Ok, anyone else have a better way to tell? :P Am Freitag, 8. März 2002 10:38 schrieb Pat Magnan: Ok, how dumb of me earlier. I ran all the .exes through the dependency walker that comes with Visual Studio. A VB App (any that I've ever seen, are all dependent on: MSVBVM50.DLL which in turn depends on stuff like GDI, Kernell, etc type dlls An MFC App would have MFC42 dll in its dependency tree, then GDI and kernell etc. For Office (for example), I see neither of those. I see WWINTL32.DLL (don't know what this is) and MSO97.DLL (likely just a library of common code for office), but no VB runtime or MFC42 anywhere in there. You did double check that MSO97.DLL doesn't depend on MFC or VB? Well, they may have just linked that in statically.. cu, Prefect ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Eighty percent of life is showing up. -- Woody Allen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Blagh, this is annoying me, what does AFAIK stand for? Michael Shimmins The Absconder Effect (http://www.tae-mod.com) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Florian Zschocke Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Simon Rose wrote: It always did my noodle that something could compile itself, if you see what I mean. Cool though. It's called bootstrapping and every compiler does it. You have to start at machine level somewhere, tho, unless you're cross-compiling (which is what is usually done). I would hope they don't use VB for anything. Sorry, but imho, I don't think VB is up to the job. AFAIK the UIs are in VB. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
As Far As I Know IMVHO, you make me ROFLMAO. BIAI -av Michael Shimmins wrote: Blagh, this is annoying me, what does AFAIK stand for? Michael Shimmins The Absconder Effect (http://www.tae-mod.com) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Florian Zschocke Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Simon Rose wrote: It always did my noodle that something could compile itself, if you see what I mean. Cool though. It's called bootstrapping and every compiler does it. You have to start at machine level somewhere, tho, unless you're cross-compiling (which is what is usually done). I would hope they don't use VB for anything. Sorry, but imho, I don't think VB is up to the job. AFAIK the UIs are in VB. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
I think too many old schoolers still assume VB to be as bad as it was in the old days. VB ain't C or Delphi, but realistically can do a lot of stuff in ye ole business app that runs just fine. The run times also aren't nearly as poor compared to C as they used to be. I think they use a combination of VB for GUI and C for computationally expensive things. Gee, I wonder why they too aren't using C#? :P What a tremendously silly idea. Is anyone using it? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] sorry about this post, its just that im doing a report for school and Im trying to find out what language was used when making things like Microsoft office and other Microsoft apps? Someone said VB but im not really sure if VB (not vb.net) has the power for it all. Perhaps for the interface, but not the whole processing system behind it... --tom -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Eighty percent of life is showing up. -- Woody Allen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
asm and c/c++ - Original Message - From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] sorry about this post, its just that im doing a report for school and Im trying to find out what language was used when making things like Microsoft office and other Microsoft apps? Someone said VB but im not really sure if VB (not vb.net) has the power for it all. Perhaps for the interface, but not the whole processing system behind it... --tom -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
I doubt asm tbh... most probably done in Visual C++ (using a combo of C++ and C) - Original Message - From: Oskar 'Zoot' Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? asm and c/c++ - Original Message - From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] sorry about this post, its just that im doing a report for school and Im trying to find out what language was used when making things like Microsoft office and other Microsoft apps? Someone said VB but im not really sure if VB (not vb.net) has the power for it all. Perhaps for the interface, but not the whole processing system behind it... --tom -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
C# is too new to have been used for stuff like that... however I dare say M$ will start using C# for UI stuff and maybe for light tasks. - Original Message - From: Pat Magnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? I think too many old schoolers still assume VB to be as bad as it was in the old days. VB ain't C or Delphi, but realistically can do a lot of stuff in ye ole business app that runs just fine. The run times also aren't nearly as poor compared to C as they used to be. I think they use a combination of VB for GUI and C for computationally expensive things. Gee, I wonder why they too aren't using C#? :P What a tremendously silly idea. Is anyone using it? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] sorry about this post, its just that im doing a report for school and Im trying to find out what language was used when making things like Microsoft office and other Microsoft apps? Someone said VB but im not really sure if VB (not vb.net) has the power for it all. Perhaps for the interface, but not the whole processing system behind it... --tom -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Eighty percent of life is showing up. -- Woody Allen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Perl. Most definitely perl. _Phantom_ wrote: C# is too new to have been used for stuff like that... however I dare say M$ will start using C# for UI stuff and maybe for light tasks. - Original Message - From: Pat Magnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? I think too many old schoolers still assume VB to be as bad as it was in the old days. VB ain't C or Delphi, but realistically can do a lot of stuff in ye ole business app that runs just fine. The run times also aren't nearly as poor compared to C as they used to be. I think they use a combination of VB for GUI and C for computationally expensive things. Gee, I wonder why they too aren't using C#? :P What a tremendously silly idea. Is anyone using it? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] sorry about this post, its just that im doing a report for school and Im trying to find out what language was used when making things like Microsoft office and other Microsoft apps? Someone said VB but im not really sure if VB (not vb.net) has the power for it all. Perhaps for the interface, but not the whole processing system behind it... --tom -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Eighty percent of life is showing up. -- Woody Allen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- I think...I think it's in my basement. Let me go upstairs and check. -M.C. Escher ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
ocaml. Most definitely objective caml. david -Original Message- From: Tim Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Perl. Most definitely perl. _Phantom_ wrote: C# is too new to have been used for stuff like that... however I dare say M$ will start using C# for UI stuff and maybe for light tasks. - Original Message - From: Pat Magnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? I think too many old schoolers still assume VB to be as bad as it was in the old days. VB ain't C or Delphi, but realistically can do a lot of stuff in ye ole business app that runs just fine. The run times also aren't nearly as poor compared to C as they used to be. I think they use a combination of VB for GUI and C for computationally expensive things. Gee, I wonder why they too aren't using C#? :P What a tremendously silly idea. Is anyone using it? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] sorry about this post, its just that im doing a report for school and Im trying to find out what language was used when making things like Microsoft office and other Microsoft apps? Someone said VB but im not really sure if VB (not vb.net) has the power for it all. Perhaps for the interface, but not the whole processing system behind it... --tom -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Eighty percent of life is showing up. -- Woody Allen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- I think...I think it's in my basement. Let me go upstairs and check. -M.C. Escher ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Oh now you're just making gross generalizations based on overal performance of the product. VERY unfair of you :^) botman wrote: Could be COBOL, RPG or ALGOL68. :) Jeffrey botman Broome - Original Message - From: Dynerman David M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? ocaml. Most definitely objective caml. david -Original Message- From: Tim Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Perl. Most definitely perl. _Phantom_ wrote: ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- I think...I think it's in my basement. Let me go upstairs and check. -M.C. Escher ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Hey! I write RPG at work! - Original Message - From: botman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Could be COBOL, RPG or ALGOL68. :) Jeffrey botman Broome - Original Message - From: Dynerman David M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? ocaml. Most definitely objective caml. david -Original Message- From: Tim Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Perl. Most definitely perl. _Phantom_ wrote: ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Hey! I write RPG at work! O! That's too bad! ;) I maintain some stuff in FORTRAN when I have to. :( Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
I read something on java.sun.com a while back which said, a complier has reached maturity when the next generation of complier can be made on it.. this was in reference to Java at the time, but as you can see it can be applied to M$'s VC++ - Original Message - From: Simon Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Hello, I think they use C++ (Visual ?) for just about everything. As I understood it, the .NET CLR was written in C++, as was Visual Studio. It always did my noodle that something could compile itself, if you see what I mean. Cool though. I'm also pretty sure Office is written in C++ because I remember reading an early .NET article when they were testing some .NET migration tool (from existing MFC to C#/CLR) they used it on the C++ Word codebase. This of course caused some buffoon to immediately speculate that portable Word was on the way! Ho ho ho. Microsoft stomped on that one pretty quick. I would hope they don't use VB for anything. Sorry, but imho, I don't think VB is up to the job. Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Sent: 07 March 2002 17:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] sorry about this post, its just that im doing a report for school and Im trying to find out what language was used when making things like Microsoft office and other Microsoft apps? Someone said VB but im not really sure if VB (not vb.net) has the power for it all. Perhaps for the interface, but not the whole processing system behind it... --tom -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
Maybe they wrote them in Delphi --- Florian Zschocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Rose wrote: It always did my noodle that something could compile itself, if you see what I mean. Cool though. It's called bootstrapping and every compiler does it. You have to start at machine level somewhere, tho, unless you're cross-compiling (which is what is usually done). I would hope they don't use VB for anything. Sorry, but imho, I don't think VB is up to the job. AFAIK the UIs are in VB. Florian. ___ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps?
you just reminded me of the phrase by Borland Software... Delphi was coded in Delphi - Original Message - From: Daniel Koppes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their apps? Maybe they wrote them in Delphi --- Florian Zschocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Rose wrote: It always did my noodle that something could compile itself, if you see what I mean. Cool though. It's called bootstrapping and every compiler does it. You have to start at machine level somewhere, tho, unless you're cross-compiling (which is what is usually done). I would hope they don't use VB for anything. Sorry, but imho, I don't think VB is up to the job. AFAIK the UIs are in VB. Florian. ___ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
