Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
Considering the changes between 1.4.0 and 1.4.1, this seems unlikely. Could you give it another shot and see if you see the same behaviour? Sent from my iPhone On 5 Mar 2012, at 19:45, m33crob ad...@m33crob.com wrote: Also, I just recently got around to updating SM from 1.4.0 to 1.4.1. Once I did this, the crashes increased by 10 fold and I was forced to downgrade back to 1.4.0. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
We run a Saxton Hale server and a lot of client crashes and some server crashes point in the direction of custom player models. In particular it seems to happen when a player with a custom model dies on the client, while I'm not quite sure on the server. I'm also rather scared of the bone setup code they have since it seems to crash one of our gamemode servers constantly and could be related to the client crashes as well. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Rowedahelicon theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com wrote: Hey guys, did some snooping on my servers and came up with the following information, I posted it to the steam forums and am re posting it here, hopefully we can get something out of this. Hey everybody, Rowdy here with some information for you. This bug with the frequent client crashes is an annoying one, you'll be amazing how not fun it is for a server owner to keep a full server when everyone will crash at once and blame you. This is annoying, and I bet for the average player it must be fun to be in a great game then suddenly crash and return to a near empty server. This issue was discussed on the HLDS mailing list for a while and was met with a fix that only lessened the frequency, but this happening at all is still an issue. Long story short, my theory as to fix it? Download custom player models. See, I own and run 3 popular servers, and two of them will have this issue repeatedly, maybe a game a day at least. But our third? It only happens once in a blue moon. This particular server also features a mod where you can change your player model. I've noticed that the custom models don't attach cosmetic items very well, this may be an issue. Needless to say, try downloading different player models, maybe the HD versions, custom characters, what have you and look for a difference. If it turns out to be an issue with player models (Not impossible considering how there are new attachment zones made for them all constantly with the new items that we've seen recently.) then narrowing down this will hopefully allow valve to patch it correctly. -- *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* Web Designer / Artist / Writer Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Rowedahelicon theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com wrote: *Hey everybody, Rowdy here with some information for you. This bug with the frequent client crashes is an annoying one, you'll be amazing how not fun it is for a server owner to keep a full server when everyone will crash at once and blame you. This is annoying, and I bet for the average player it must be fun to be in a great game then suddenly crash and return to a near empty server.* We've had an exploit reported and demonstrated where a user can type a chat message and crash every PC client attatched to the server. Might be related. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
On 3/5/2012 10:16 AM, Ken Bateman wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Rowedahelicon theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com mailto:theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com wrote: *Hey everybody, Rowdy here with some information for you. This bug with the frequent client crashes is an annoying one, you'll be amazing how not fun it is for a server owner to keep a full server when everyone will crash at once and blame you. This is annoying, and I bet for the average player it must be fun to be in a great game then suddenly crash and return to a near empty server.* We've had an exploit reported and demonstrated where a user can type a chat message and crash every PC client attatched to the server. Might be related. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds And is this chat message a SourceMOD command by any chance? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
No, the random drops of clients isn't related to this. If there is such exploit, it's a separate issue. Not everyone crashes off on our servers when the crash event occurs. Sometimes they all do crash though. -ics 5.3.2012 17:16, Ken Bateman kirjoitti: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Rowedahelicon theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com mailto:theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com wrote: *Hey everybody, Rowdy here with some information for you. This bug with the frequent client crashes is an annoying one, you'll be amazing how not fun it is for a server owner to keep a full server when everyone will crash at once and blame you. This is annoying, and I bet for the average player it must be fun to be in a great game then suddenly crash and return to a near empty server.* We've had an exploit reported and demonstrated where a user can type a chat message and crash every PC client attatched to the server. Might be related. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
Yep - been seeing this more lately. 12-15 players all crash at once, with no discernible cause. At this point, I think it's an engine/steam issue, but who knows - there could very well be another exploit in the wild. Hopefully, the TF2 team is aware and tracking down a cause. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM, ics i...@ics-base.net wrote: No, the random drops of clients isn't related to this. If there is such exploit, it's a separate issue. Not everyone crashes off on our servers when the crash event occurs. Sometimes they all do crash though. -ics 5.3.2012 17:16, Ken Bateman kirjoitti: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Rowedahelicon theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com wrote: *Hey everybody, Rowdy here with some information for you. This bug with the frequent client crashes is an annoying one, you'll be amazing how not fun it is for a server owner to keep a full server when everyone will crash at once and blame you. This is annoying, and I bet for the average player it must be fun to be in a great game then suddenly crash and return to a near empty server.* We've had an exploit reported and demonstrated where a user can type a chat message and crash every PC client attatched to the server. Might be related. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
On 3/5/2012 10:25 AM, hlds wrote: And is this chat message a SourceMOD command by any chance? Nope. Works even when server has an empty addons directory. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
if you know the exploit, tell Fletcher about it. fletch...@valvesoftware.com so they get it fixed. -ics 5.3.2012 19:06, Ken Bateman kirjoitti: On 3/5/2012 10:25 AM, hlds wrote: And is this chat message a SourceMOD command by any chance? Nope. Works even when server has an empty addons directory. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
On 3/5/2012 12:17 PM, ics wrote: if you know the exploit, tell Fletcher about it. fletch...@valvesoftware.com so they get it fixed. I've put the details in a bug report submitted from my tf2 client, and gave them this email. Still, if somebody from valve emails me I'll reply to them with details. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
For what it's worth, if this helps... I have noticed that my Linux servers have this crashing issue whereas my Windows server does not. Also, I just recently got around to updating SM from 1.4.0 to 1.4.1. Once I did this, the crashes increased by 10 fold and I was forced to downgrade back to 1.4.0. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Ken Bateman novadeni...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/5/2012 12:17 PM, ics wrote: if you know the exploit, tell Fletcher about it. fletch...@valvesoftware.com so they get it fixed. I've put the details in a bug report submitted from my tf2 client, and gave them this email. Still, if somebody from valve emails me I'll reply to them with details. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
All of my servers are windows 2008 R2 64bit, and the problem persists on them, so I don't think it's an OS issue. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:45 PM, m33crob ad...@m33crob.com wrote: For what it's worth, if this helps... I have noticed that my Linux servers have this crashing issue whereas my Windows server does not. Also, I just recently got around to updating SM from 1.4.0 to 1.4.1. Once I did this, the crashes increased by 10 fold and I was forced to downgrade back to 1.4.0. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Ken Bateman novadeni...@gmail.comwrote: On 3/5/2012 12:17 PM, ics wrote: if you know the exploit, tell Fletcher about it. fletch...@valvesoftware.com so they get it fixed. I've put the details in a bug report submitted from my tf2 client, and gave them this email. Still, if somebody from valve emails me I'll reply to them with details. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
I use windows 2003 enterprise, Debian, sm 1.39 and getting people crashing out. On 3/5/2012 2:47 PM, E. Olsen wrote: All of my servers are windows 2008 R2 64bit, and the problem persists on them, so I don't think it's an OS issue. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:45 PM, m33crob ad...@m33crob.com mailto:ad...@m33crob.com wrote: For what it's worth, if this helps... I have noticed that my Linux servers have this crashing issue whereas my Windows server does not. Also, I just recently got around to updating SM from 1.4.0 to 1.4.1. Once I did this, the crashes increased by 10 fold and I was forced to downgrade back to 1.4.0. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Ken Bateman novadeni...@gmail.com mailto:novadeni...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/5/2012 12:17 PM, ics wrote: if you know the exploit, tell Fletcher about it. fletch...@valvesoftware.com mailto:fletch...@valvesoftware.com so they get it fixed. I've put the details in a bug report submitted from my tf2 client, and gave them this email. Still, if somebody from valve emails me I'll reply to them with details. -Ken ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Possible cause and fix for the recent group crashes
Hey guys, did some snooping on my servers and came up with the following information, I posted it to the steam forums and am re posting it here, hopefully we can get something out of this. *Hey everybody, Rowdy here with some information for you. This bug with the frequent client crashes is an annoying one, you'll be amazing how not fun it is for a server owner to keep a full server when everyone will crash at once and blame you. This is annoying, and I bet for the average player it must be fun to be in a great game then suddenly crash and return to a near empty server. This issue was discussed on the HLDS mailing list for a while and was met with a fix that only lessened the frequency, but this happening at all is still an issue. Long story short, my theory as to fix it? Download custom player models. See, I own and run 3 popular servers, and two of them will have this issue repeatedly, maybe a game a day at least. But our third? It only happens once in a blue moon. This particular server also features a mod where you can change your player model. I've noticed that the custom models don't attach cosmetic items very well, this may be an issue. Needless to say, try downloading different player models, maybe the HD versions, custom characters, what have you and look for a difference. If it turns out to be an issue with player models (Not impossible considering how there are new attachment zones made for them all constantly with the new items that we've seen recently.) then narrowing down this will hopefully allow valve to patch it correctly.* -- *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* Web Designer / Artist / Writer Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
