Re: [hlds] GoldSrc installs using steamcmd still not fixed?

2018-01-12 Thread Lorne Mock 
I have run SteamCMD half a dozen times 3 or 4 times a day for the last week. I 
only get  the root folder files. The valve folder only contains the dlls folder 
with director.dll and hl.dll files. Nothing else is ever downloaded. Yet the 
steamcmd says fully updated with the validate command being used.

You can get all the files / folds downloading from the steam browser tools. But 
that is for a listen server. Will only download to a game client. It does not 
ask for a download location.




From: hlds <hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> on behalf of Ross Bemrose 
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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] GoldSrc installs using steamcmd still not fixed?


At this point, no servers installed through steamcmd drive Valve's revenue.  
Valve doesn't seem to care about GoldSrc and they run their own servers for all 
their currently updated Source games.

Third-party games are a different story, as the TripWire representative on this 
list can probably tell you.

On 1/12/2018 8:03 PM, Mecha Weasel wrote:
More correctly:

"If it doesn't drive revenue, don't fix it."

On Jan 12, 2018 9:26 AM, "Ook" 
<ooksser...@zootal.com<mailto:ooksser...@zootal.com>> wrote:
It's been this way for years and years. I just have my scripts run steamcmd 
several times, and it usually succeeds by the 3rd attempt . Valve is well 
aware of this, you would think, but they have no interest in fixing it since we 
can just run it a couple of times to get the job done.

It used to be "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Now it is "if it ain't broke too badly, don't fix it"


On 12/31/2017 03:50 PM, Ross Bemrose wrote:
While I don't deal with GoldSrc myself, I'm still seeing complaints from people 
about steamcmd not installing them properly on the first try.

This sounds suspiciously like a race condition.  Is there any reason steamcmd 
hasn't been updated to fix this?  I can't imagine it'd be that difficult to 
prioritize processing downloads forced by the app_set_config command first 
before starting the actual application update.  Particularly since for appid 
90, this includes downloading the actual appmanifest files that tell steamcmd 
what to install.


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Re: [hlds] GoldSrc installs using steamcmd still not fixed?

2018-01-12 Thread Ross Bemrose 
At this point, no servers installed through steamcmd drive Valve's 
revenue.  Valve doesn't seem to care about GoldSrc and they run their 
own servers for all their currently updated Source games.


Third-party games are a different story, as the TripWire representative 
on this list can probably tell you.


On 1/12/2018 8:03 PM, Mecha Weasel wrote:

More correctly:

"If it doesn't drive revenue, don't fix it."

On Jan 12, 2018 9:26 AM, "Ook" > wrote:


It's been this way for years and years. I just have my scripts run
steamcmd several times, and it usually succeeds by the 3rd attempt
. Valve is well aware of this, you would think, but they
have no interest in fixing it since we can just run it a couple of
times to get the job done.

It used to be "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Now it is "if it ain't broke too badly, don't fix it"


On 12/31/2017 03:50 PM, Ross Bemrose wrote:

While I don't deal with GoldSrc myself, I'm still seeing
complaints from people about steamcmd not installing them
properly on the first try.

This sounds suspiciously like a race condition.  Is there any
reason steamcmd hasn't been updated to fix this?  I can't
imagine it'd be that difficult to prioritize processing
downloads forced by the app_set_config command first before
starting the actual application update. Particularly since for
appid 90, this includes downloading the actual appmanifest
files that tell steamcmd what to install.


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Re: [hlds] GoldSrc installs using steamcmd still not fixed?

2018-01-12 Thread Mecha Weasel 
More correctly:

"If it doesn't drive revenue, don't fix it."

On Jan 12, 2018 9:26 AM, "Ook"  wrote:

> It's been this way for years and years. I just have my scripts run
> steamcmd several times, and it usually succeeds by the 3rd attempt .
> Valve is well aware of this, you would think, but they have no interest in
> fixing it since we can just run it a couple of times to get the job done.
>
> It used to be "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
>
> Now it is "if it ain't broke too badly, don't fix it"
>
>
> On 12/31/2017 03:50 PM, Ross Bemrose wrote:
>
>> While I don't deal with GoldSrc myself, I'm still seeing complaints from
>> people about steamcmd not installing them properly on the first try.
>>
>> This sounds suspiciously like a race condition.  Is there any reason
>> steamcmd hasn't been updated to fix this?  I can't imagine it'd be that
>> difficult to prioritize processing downloads forced by the app_set_config
>> command first before starting the actual application update.  Particularly
>> since for appid 90, this includes downloading the actual appmanifest files
>> that tell steamcmd what to install.
>>
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Re: [hlds] GoldSrc installs using steamcmd still not fixed?

2018-01-12 Thread Ook 
It's been this way for years and years. I just have my scripts run 
steamcmd several times, and it usually succeeds by the 3rd attempt 
. Valve is well aware of this, you would think, but they have no 
interest in fixing it since we can just run it a couple of times to get 
the job done.


It used to be "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Now it is "if it ain't broke too badly, don't fix it"


On 12/31/2017 03:50 PM, Ross Bemrose wrote:
While I don't deal with GoldSrc myself, I'm still seeing complaints 
from people about steamcmd not installing them properly on the first try.


This sounds suspiciously like a race condition.  Is there any reason 
steamcmd hasn't been updated to fix this?  I can't imagine it'd be 
that difficult to prioritize processing downloads forced by the 
app_set_config command first before starting the actual application 
update.  Particularly since for appid 90, this includes downloading 
the actual appmanifest files that tell steamcmd what to install.



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Re: [hlds] GoldSrc installs using steamcmd still not fixed?

2018-01-01 Thread Sam Vanheer 
When it to comes to GoldSource Valve only fixes critical issues, as in 
issues that can be used as exploits, client->server or server->client 
crashes, arbitrary code execution, etc.

Basically anything that could get Valve sued gets fixed. This is not one 
of those issues, so i figure they don't bother to look into it, possibly 
also out of fear that it might break even more if they do try to fix it 
(has happened before).


I'm sending my reply to some Valve employees as well, maybe one of them 
will notice this email and help out, always good to raise awareness. 
(Maybe also consider helping out with engine access if you folks see this)


Op 31/12/2017 om 23:50 schreef Ross Bemrose:
> While I don't deal with GoldSrc myself, I'm still seeing complaints 
> from people about steamcmd not installing them properly on the first try.
>
> This sounds suspiciously like a race condition.  Is there any reason 
> steamcmd hasn't been updated to fix this?  I can't imagine it'd be 
> that difficult to prioritize processing downloads forced by the 
> app_set_config command first before starting the actual application 
> update.  Particularly since for appid 90, this includes downloading 
> the actual appmanifest files that tell steamcmd what to install.
>
>
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Re: [hlds] GoldSrc installs using steamcmd still not fixed?

2018-01-01 Thread test test (Kiwi) 
Hi.
To add to this I also don’t like having to upload my entire valve directory and 
installing HLDS just to add another work around.

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From: Ross Bemrose
Sent: Monday, 1 January 2018 11:52 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: [hlds] GoldSrc installs using steamcmd still not fixed?

While I don't deal with GoldSrc myself, I'm still seeing complaints from 
people about steamcmd not installing them properly on the first try.

This sounds suspiciously like a race condition.  Is there any reason 
steamcmd hasn't been updated to fix this?  I can't imagine it'd be that 
difficult to prioritize processing downloads forced by the 
app_set_config command first before starting the actual application 
update.  Particularly since for appid 90, this includes downloading the 
actual appmanifest files that tell steamcmd what to install.


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