Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

2020-09-23 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Dave and all: So far I have not seen how the MAC randomization deals with: - DAD - the chances of duplication seem much higher than for IPv6; maybe we can help by doing DAD with something like RFC 8505 on the first hop switch / AP. - differentiated environments - the preferred behavior

Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping devices...

2019-10-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
octobre 2019 15:39 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: Michael Richardson ; 6MAN <6...@ietf.org>; homenet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping devices... On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) mailto:pthub...@cisco.com>> wrote: As you indica

Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping devices...

2019-10-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Michael The order of order of 10^6 (hopefully 10^7) are the total deployed not a single mesh. This makes RPL quite a well-deployed protocol. As you indicate, a single mesh can approach 10^4. A depth can be al lot more than the 10 hops that we imagined initially. Yet it keeps working.

Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping devices...

2019-10-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Ted : The reason why we opted for ND proxy is not the lack of a homenet solution. It is rather the fact that the wireless node keeps moving from a mesh to the next and if they are different subnets then it needs to renumber, which we did not know how to do efficiently – think dhcp or

Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping devices...

2019-10-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
operation in DC routing to inject virtual machines / containers addresses in RIFT. It should work with other IGPs as well, and even BGP/eVPN, why not? All the best Pascal From: Ted Lemon Sent: lundi 7 octobre 2019 15:27 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: Ole Troan ; Markus Stenberg ; 6MAN &l

Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping devices...

2019-10-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Ole and Ted: > >>> Sounds like you need to set it up as a NAT. >> >> I really hope you are just making a funny joke here. But it’s not very >> funny. What I want is something that’s operationally simple, not something >> with lots of moving parts that have to be kept track of.

Re: [homenet] question: equal-cost multipath?

2015-08-12 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
or decreasing Rank), a packet along a micro-loop is detected and eliminated immediately. Cheers, Pascal -Original Message- From: Juliusz Chroboczek [mailto:j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr] Sent: mardi 11 août 2015 23:02 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) pthub...@cisco.com Cc: Alia Atlas

Re: [homenet] question: equal-cost multipath?

2015-08-11 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
RPL enables non-equal cost multipath, Alia. That's the reasonable thing (a MUST if you ask me) to do with wireless connectivity when delivery is statistical and metrics can only provide a limited approximation of transmission chances. Any DV can do that easily so we should be able to do it with

Re: [homenet] [ieee-ietf-coord] Multicast on 802.11

2015-08-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
From what I read below, one way out of this is the IETF making a clear statement that multicast is an integral part of IP networking, and if a medium doesn't support delivering multicast frames in a similarily reliable fashion to unicast, it's not suited to carrying IP based protocols

Re: [homenet] [ieee-ietf-coord] Multicast on 802.11

2015-08-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
(England) Registered Office: Pipers Way, Swindon SN3 1RJ VAT No: 860 2173 47 -Original Message- From: ieee-ietf-coord [mailto:ieee-ietf-coord-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mikael Abrahamsson Sent: 10 August 2015 08:32 To: Stephens, Adrian P Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Pat

Re: [homenet] [ieee-ietf-coord] Multicast on 802.11

2015-08-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
-Original Message- From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se] Sent: lundi 10 août 2015 13:03 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) pthub...@cisco.com Cc: ieee-ietf-co...@ietf.org; Dan Romascanu (droma...@avaya.com) droma...@avaya.com; Stephens, Adrian P adrian.p.steph...@intel.com

Re: [homenet] Multicast in IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-08 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Mikael is correct; IPv6 mechanisms are different. SLAAC adds broadcasts that are not present in IPv4, MLD report then NS DAD then, sometimes and though it is not required by the spec, NA(O). IPv6 nodes tend to create multiple addresses, many of which are temporary for privacy reasons. So the

Re: [homenet] Despair

2015-08-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
I could not agree more. It is simply unfair from the IETF to use Wi-Fi as if it was Ethernet and then complain to IEEE that in fact it is not. IPv6 over Ethernet makes heavy use of multicast over Ethernet, which for the lack of a highly scalable Multicast service always ends up broadcasted

Re: [homenet] Moving forward.

2015-07-26 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Ted: Seems that there's more work than what we can expect from a DT. Otherwise we'd be all set by now. What about forming a flash WG in routing area to see if: - we can extract requirements for home - there's such a thing as a one size fits all homes routing protocol - provide

Re: [homenet] Selecting a routing protocol for HOMENET

2015-04-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Certainly, Margaret... ... but then you have to differentiate the capability of any new proposed protocol from what current IETF protocols already do to get that work chartered. We are having an interesting chat on MANET and ROLL where the differences (and core similarities) between BABEL and

Re: [homenet] Selecting a routing protocol for HOMENET

2015-04-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Yes to both. RPL had to address multiple IOT GWs from the start, say one for the power utility, one for cloud access, etc... to address this is that it creates multiple instances which are as many logical topologies. By selecting the instance applied to a packet, the source or the first RPL

Re: [homenet] other routing options

2011-11-23 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
6LoWPAN is not that specific and if every home usage needs a special gateway, we're designing against the end to end principle. Take the stereo / home theater. This is prone to become an ad hoc network where infrared and cable connections will be replaced by various flavors of 802.15, e.g.

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about ipv6 routing (babel AHCP)

2011-10-19 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello David [David] Now, in reviewing this thread, I was disappointed to see that my ipv6 routing protocol of choice (babel) has not been discussed so far to any extent. While this protocol is somewhat new, an rfc and working code both exist, and working code has existed for several years.

Re: [homenet] Does ND Proxy useful for homenet?

2011-10-12 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
+1 -Original Message- From: homenet-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:homenet-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson Sent: jeudi 13 octobre 2011 02:42 To: homenet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homenet] Does ND Proxy useful for homenet? Victor == Victor Kuarsingh victor.kuarsi...@gmail.com

Re: [homenet] Multilink subnet routing (MLSRv2)

2011-10-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
nodes and all routers, and a support for a multicast tree along the RPL DAG for generic multicast. Cheers, Pascal On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:33 , Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: Hi Ole: I think you're getting closer and closer to the models that were discussed in RPL, 6LoWPAN and Autoconf

Re: [homenet] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-08-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Looks obvious, but is it? In one hand, we want the capability to reach anywhere we're allowed to from home. OTOH, if anything in my home is reachable from anywhere, we are back to the firewall paradigm. There is an alternate model based on L3 overlays that was presented in various places

Re: [homenet] [v6ops] default LAN routing protocol for IPv6CE router

2011-08-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hi James; As Ralph indicates, RFC4944 describes a L2.5 fragmentation mechanism and recommends a MTU of 1280 on 802.15.4 links. That fragmentation mechanism does not allow forwarding at L3 (each L3 hop needs to reassemble). It is also sensitive to frame loss, which sadly is frequent in 802.15.4