Re: [homenet] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-homenet-babel-profile-06: (with COMMENT)

2018-07-19 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 04:30:17PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > >REQ5: a Homenet implementation of Babel MUST use metrics that are of > >a similar magnitude to the values suggested in Appendix A of > >RFC 6126bis. > > > "MUST" and "similar magnitude" are not a great pairing. >

Re: [homenet] In-network connectivity and HNCP: IPv6 ULA

2018-07-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> I think the local ULA should be used for all intra-ULA connections. We had a > debate about this about four years ago, and apparently the text in the HNCP > spec reflects the outcome of that discussion, but I think we understand the > problem better now and we should fix this. Agreed.

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > In order for services to be discoverable on the homenet, they have to > > publish their contact info on the homenet. The protocol that everyone > > uses for this is DNSSD. This is how you find your printer when you want > > to print

Re: [homenet] In-network connectivity and HNCP: IPv6 ULA

2018-07-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
I've re-read Section 6.5 of 7788, and it looks like I was wrong. Sorry, I should not be writing technical mails in the middle of the night. As far as I can tell from the wording of 6.5: - creating ULA is SHOULD if there's no global IPv6, MUST NOT otherwise; - creating private IPv4 is MAY if

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> In order for services to be discoverable on the homenet, they have to > publish their contact info on the homenet. The protocol that everyone > uses for this is DNSSD. This is how you find your printer when you want > to print to it. Nobody uses the ad-hoc DynDNS protocol for this. I am not

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> I am not speaking about discovery within the Homenet. I am speaking about > exporting names into the global DNS, which is what Daniel's draft is > about. > Yes, but the problem is that you are treating this as if these are two > separate problems, but they are not. These are two

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Stephen Farrell
(with no hats...) On 19/07/18 10:42, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> Also, think of the privacy implications if all of the services on the >> homenet had to be discovered from a shared zone like dyndns.org. > Quite the opposite. In the trivial update protocol, the update is > end-to-end,

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Tero Kivinen
Juliusz Chroboczek writes: > And it's literally four lines of shell: > > while true; do > wget --post-data 'name=gameserver.myhome.net=topsecret' \ > https://dyndns.example.com > sleep $((24 * 3600)) > done How does that get both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> On the other hand same thing using nsupdate (using TSIG and dynamic > dns) is one command line + input file for nsupdate: Cool. Whichever end-to-end (host to DNS provider with no intermediate proxying) encrypted and authentified protocol you pick, I'm with you. -- Juliusz

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Ted Lemon
One way to automate this would be using mud. On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > (with no hats...) > > On 19/07/18 10:42, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > >> Also, think of the privacy implications if all of the services on the > >> homenet had to be discovered from a

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 19 Jul 2018, at 11:58 pm, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > >> On 19 Jul 2018, at 11:30 pm, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> >>> I am not speaking about discovery within the Homenet. I am speaking about >>> exporting names into the global DNS, which is what Daniel's draft is >>> about. >>

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> And it's literally four lines of shell: > vs > while true; do > (omitted for brevity) You're doing end-to-end dynamic update over DNS, which is fine with me. The exact transport we end up using doesn't matter that much. You're not doing the proxying through a hidden master mandated by

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 19 Jul 2018, at 11:30 pm, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > >>I am not speaking about discovery within the Homenet. I am speaking about >>exporting names into the global DNS, which is what Daniel's draft is >>about. > >> Yes, but the problem is that you are treating this as if

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> One way to automate this would be using mud. A bright light shines from the heavens, bathing you in its warm glow. An enormous, white temple stands to the north, taking most of your view. In order to enter the Temple of Homenet Naming, you must travel up the large staircase that stands in

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

2018-07-19 Thread Jacques Latour
The provisioning process for front end naming delegation we’re thinking of includes the provisioning of the domain name itself at the registry, and the setup on the home gateway itself and registration with an external secondary anycast for global name resolution. The gateway would have an