Re: [homenet] Homenet Architecture Interim Meeting

2011-10-24 Thread Ray Bellis
On 21 Oct 2011, at 19:49, Curtis Villamizar wrote: What people are arguing is a violation of the end-to-end principle is having a provider put in place filters that can't be shut of by the consumer. chair hat=on Anything outside of the home network is outside of our scope. /chair Ray

Re: [homenet] routing requirements

2011-10-24 Thread Ray Bellis
On 22 Oct 2011, at 01:18, Hemant Singh (shemant) wrote: Note the IETF IPv6 CE router specifies use of the ULA in the home to keep the home network independent of the SP network. This way my computer at home can still print to the printer even when my SP IPv6 network is down. We have said

Re: [homenet] routing requirements

2011-10-24 Thread Howard, Lee
On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Curtis Villamizar wrote: This is a response to Lee's list with Jim's additions. Howard, Lee lee.how...@twcable.com wrote: I've caught up on some 300 messages about routing. Here are the requirements I've gleaned. Question marks are unclear to me, please

Re: [homenet] routing requirements

2011-10-24 Thread Howard, Lee
-Original Message- From: Curtis Villamizar [mailto:cur...@occnc.com] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:14 PM To: Howard, Lee Cc: Samita Chakrabarti; homenet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homenet] routing requirements In message

Re: [homenet] routing requirements

2011-10-24 Thread Curtis Villamizar
Trimmed, leaving only responses to the points Lee brought up. In message 1dd9deae-0f85-41a1-b4c9-c8c09bc84...@twcable.com Howard, Lee writes: This almost covers one of Jim's points. Jim added unitentional join. a. Convergence time a few minutes or less. Seconds at least.

Re: [homenet] routing requirements

2011-10-24 Thread Curtis Villamizar
In message dcc302faa9fe5f4bba4dcad4656937791451335...@prvpexvs03.corp.twcable.com Howard, Lee writes: -Original Message- From: Curtis Villamizar [mailto:cur...@occnc.com] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:14 PM To: Howard, Lee Cc: Samita Chakrabarti; homenet@ietf.org

Re: [homenet] routing requirements

2011-10-24 Thread Curtis Villamizar
In message CAD6AjGQG2p=v+0z3x6ab+ggw1bo2dizp6ztvik3b7uo-o95...@mail.gmail.com Cameron Byrne writes: On Oct 24, 2011 1:24 AM, Ray Bellis ray.bel...@nominet.org.uk wrote: On 22 Oct 2011, at 01:18, Hemant Singh (shemant) wrote: Note the IETF IPv6 CE router specifies use of the ULA in

Re: [homenet] routing requirements

2011-10-24 Thread james woodyatt
On Oct 24, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: Will those arguing for ND Proxy please stand up and be counted? I have long complained that certain WPAN physical layers should be prepared to attach to home networks, either by application layer gateways on bastion hosts, or by dedicated ND/RD

Re: [homenet] routing requirements

2011-10-24 Thread Thomas Herbst
In my v6 ops presentation in Beijing, Dave Thaler agreed with you (James). I'm on the other side of the argument. tom From: james woodyatt j...@apple.com Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:33:26 -0700 To: Ray Bellis ray.bel...@nominet.org.uk Cc: homenet@ietf.org Group homenet@ietf.org Subject: Re:

Re: [homenet] routing requirements

2011-10-24 Thread Curtis Villamizar
In message c5e8c3ca-ba31-4af7-abb2-729e8629b...@apple.com james woodyatt writes: On Oct 24, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: Will those arguing for ND Proxy please stand up and be counted? I have long complained that certain WPAN physical layers should be prepared to attach to