Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

2015-05-07 Thread althio
Hi Laura, as I suggested some days ago, I'd like to add these video training (while done) to a moodle course I will support that. And maybe be able to synch the moodle course training with the task manager permission to edit maps. Maybe... but that can be considered later. It is not a

Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

2015-05-07 Thread Suzan Reed
Training My major problem with the current training, it's long, boring, and slow. A Quick Start Guide would be perfect for someone like me. A video with this information would be great. I could not go through the training because it went too slow, so I missed some information, but found the

Re: [HOT] [info-hotosm] Reference Project #1030 Nepal Earthquake

2015-05-07 Thread Milo van der Linden
Hello Springfield Harrison, As a 20 year GIS veteran I understand what you say. I do agree that in communication with first responders it is important to have them clearly understand that the accuracy of features can be off ~100m. But for them having maps that give a good indication is way better

Re: [HOT] [info-hotosm] Reference Project #1030 Nepal Earthquake

2015-05-07 Thread althio
On 7 May 2015 at 10:21, Springfield Harrison stellar...@gmail.com wrote: Having untrained users realign the imagery willy-nilly is amazing to me. Usually we don't. This is crisis response and hence crisis-GIS. We are striving to produce useful and good enough data, not perfect data. We are

Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

2015-05-07 Thread Suzan Reed
Althio and all. I don't understand the shared document format, and don't find it an easy place to express these views, nor do I understand where I could add to it in a constructive way. That's why I expressed my thoughts here, so that someone who understands the shared document format could

Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

2015-05-07 Thread Springfield Harrison
Hello Suzan, I am very new here and puzzled by some of the processes in place. Not sure if I will even continue, there seems to be a fair bit of turmoil not related to the earthquake. I received one e-mail from someone who said this OSM initiative has only been going 10 years and

Re: [HOT] JOSM people validating / mapping in Nepal, please run JOSM's validator before finishing a tile

2015-05-07 Thread Springfield Harrison
Hello Dave, This is amazing to see the vast number of invalid tags. This really calls into question the integrity of the database. Do you have much luck getting people to run the validator? I am baffled that the data validation does not take place right at the data entry stage. This is very

Re: [HOT] [info-hotosm] Reference Project #1030 Nepal Earthquake

2015-05-07 Thread Springfield Harrison
Hello Steve, Sorry to rain on the parade yet again but I find this matter of image alignment to be puzzling and concerning. One of the first things I learned when embarking upon GIS/GPS mapping was that accurate georeferencing of all layers, but especially the base layers (imagery in this case)

Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

2015-05-07 Thread Laura Camellini
Hi all, as I suggested some days ago, I'd like to add these video training (while done) to a moodle course, And maybe be able to synch the moodle course training with the task manager permission to edit maps. Do you think this could help you with your tasks? Regards, LauraC 2015-05-07 3:16

Re: [HOT] newbie needs advice

2015-05-07 Thread Springfield Harrison
Hello Jean-Guilhem, Sorry for the slow reply. OK, would be reviewing be through the verification process? I believe Pierre sent me instructions for that, I could look through them again. I did join the Skype group at Pierre's suggestion but he said no conversations were scheduled so I signed

Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

2015-05-07 Thread john whelan
I don't think it's reasonable to expect new mappers to be able to take quick start training and jump into contributing, at least for those who have not mapped before. If we keep the tasks we ask them to do simple then I think its doable. Mapping rectangular buildings is fairly simple and many

Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

2015-05-07 Thread Pierre Béland
OSM and HOT are volunteer organizations. And we are force to adapt rapidly to the reality of responses like for Nepal. People with experience to develop such material either through a wiki page, github or other are welcomed. With the extent of this response, we organized various support groups

[HOT] HOT Tech WG Meeting 05.2015

2015-05-07 Thread Dražen Odobašić
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, the next Tech WG meeting is scheduled on #hot IRC at 17:00 UTC, next Monday (11.05.2015.) [0] If you want to report/discuss something please update the document, the order is not important:

[HOT] Tornado: Bridge Creek Oklahoma

2015-05-07 Thread Alex Barth
Disclaimer: This is NOT an official HOT activation. I'm sending this email to give folks a heads up in case they map in Oklahoma too. Nepal remains top priority. Wednesday a Tornado hit Bridge Creek Oklahoma [1]. Together with Maptime Oklahoma we over here at Mapbox have done a quick round of

[HOT] JOSM Banner about imagery might be misaligned?

2015-05-07 Thread Tom McDonald
Today, whenever I load Bing imagery in JOSM I get a banner at the top with the message: Aerial imagery might be misaligned. Please check its offset using GPS tracks! Anyone know why this is happening now and never before? I tried IRC but no joy. I even reinstalled JOSM, tried JOSM on a new

Re: [HOT] newbie needs advice

2015-05-07 Thread Springfield Harrison
Hello Michael, Thanks for your feedback, sorry for the slow reply. I understand what you mean by preselection by the crowd but they may well miss a lot of potential sites which the experts will never get to evaluate. Or select a lot of duds which may bog down the verification process. The best

Re: [HOT] Feedback

2015-05-07 Thread Milo van der Linden
Well spoken! I am glad tot hear all of us are doing a job that satisfies a need. Milo On May 7, 2015 1:17 PM, Katja Ulbert m...@katja-ulbert.de wrote: Hi all, I am convinced my mapping is useful, even as a beginner. It took some time to go through the whole LearnOsm Guide, but it was worth

[HOT] Feedback

2015-05-07 Thread Katja Ulbert
Hi all, I am convinced my mapping is useful, even as a beginner. It took some time to go through the whole LearnOsm Guide, but it was worth it. Questions that come up now can be answered via IRC or mailing list. Striving for perfection in an imperfect situation doesn´t make sense to me.

Re: [HOT] JOSM people validating / mapping in Nepal, please run JOSM's validator before finishing a tile

2015-05-07 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 12:57:06AM -0700, Springfield Harrison wrote: Hello Dave, This is amazing to see the vast number of invalid tags. This really calls into question the integrity of the database. Do you have much luck getting people to run the validator? In OSM there is no

Re: [HOT] 30 m DEM TMS rendering for Nepal

2015-05-07 Thread piz
wonderfull and now why not to derive from the DEM a slope map? quote of the day ~ “I'll make him an offer he can't refuse” (Mario Puzo - The Godfather) -- In data giovedì 7 maggio 2015 00:28:06, Jean-Guilhem Cailton ha scritto: Hi, The same DEM rendering now

Re: [HOT] JOSM people validating / mapping in Nepal, please run JOSM's validator before finishing a tile

2015-05-07 Thread john whelan
There are a number of issues and trade offs. First JOSM actually does do validation but many new mappers use id which apparently does not. If you look at the numbers about half of the mappers are new mappers to OSM on this project so we get a great deal of mapping from them. Some know very

Re: [HOT] JOSM people validating / mapping in Nepal, please run JOSM's validator before finishing a tile

2015-05-07 Thread Dave Corley
Hi all, Just to clarify, josm id both now validate but it's possible newbies don't know how to handle the returned errors and just ignore them. The untagged link in my original email was given as a sample only. There are also many, many issues with routing, boundaries, waterways, etc etc etc.

Re: [HOT] Live, interactive video training for mapping available

2015-05-07 Thread Phil Allford
Here's the link to the recorded video on tube https://youtu.be/GOfTJ3QDQB4 . Blake provided a lot of great tips in this demonstration of editing in JOSM for new users and I found myself going back to it again today. You can skip the first 29 seconds of to get to the demonstration. You'll want

Re: [HOT] JOSM Banner about imagery might be misaligned?

2015-05-07 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Hi Tom, Do not worry about it. It is just a standard warning, that is usually displayed the first time JOSM users load Bing imagery, and that you got now for some mysterious reason. (Maybe something cookie-style, that hadn't been set before). You can keep mapping :) Bing is apparently one of

Re: [HOT] 30 m DEM TMS rendering for Nepal

2015-05-07 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Buongiorno, Good idea. Here you go, Nepal slope map, thanks again to gdaldem: URL for JOSM is: tms:http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/nepal_slope/{zoom}/{x}/{y} and for iD: http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/nepal_slope/{z}/{x}/{y} And previous rendering, with hillshading computed

Re: [HOT] Live, interactive video training for mapping available

2015-05-07 Thread Blake Girardot
I apologize for the blinking video. I will get that minimized for the next one I hope. Thank you for helping with this first try at this Phil. And please note, Phil saved me from making a pretty bad mistake about 1/2 way through in my mapping, thank you again for that Phil. Proof again

Re: [HOT] JOSM people validating / mapping in Nepal, please run JOSM's validator before finishing a tile

2015-05-07 Thread kusala nine
An interesting thread - I work for a national mapping agency and we collate vector data from all over the world. My personal view is that a vector database can either be consistent or complete and, when over certain size, is rarely both. We run complex validation post-compilation across millions

Re: [HOT] Live, interactive video training for mapping available

2015-05-07 Thread john whelan
Microsoft have a free program called Movie Maker which would enable you to cull the first 26 mins or so. Cheerio John On 7 May 2015 at 09:13, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: I apologize for the blinking video. I will get that minimized for the next one I hope. Thank you for

Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

2015-05-07 Thread Robert Banick
Hi All, Excellent points and criticisms all around. The amount of feedback from new contributors during this response has been extremely welcome but also a bit humbling at times. We’ve got so much to do. A few quick responses to key points. 1. OSM is 10 years old but for much of that

Re: [HOT] 30 m DEM TMS rendering for Nepal

2015-05-07 Thread Milo van der Linden
Sorry, that should be Andy Allan, not Allen. 2015-05-07 17:51 GMT+02:00 Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net: You might consider contacting Andy Allen (http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/) as he has some beautiful cartographic products on the shelve that may only need little tweaking to do what

Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

2015-05-07 Thread Steve Bower
A few thoughts on the training materials, from a 2-week OSM user and long-time GIS user: I have not yet found the single, systematically organized portal for access to all training materials events, This would be great to have, and other training references could point back to it. The closest I

Re: [HOT] 30 m DEM TMS rendering for Nepal

2015-05-07 Thread Kretzer
Thank you, this is brilliant! I like to get an idea of the terrain to help with the mapping - particularly in this steep terrain, and the DEM layer helps a lot. (Just recently I wondere if it would be possible to ad contour lines as a standard layer in iD. If this information has the right

[HOT] KLL Situation Report Day 12

2015-05-07 Thread Nirab Pudasaini
Here is our situation report for day 12, http://kathmandulivinglabs.org/blog/nepal-earthquake-report-from-kll-situation-room-day-12-may-7/ Good Night from Nepal. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Re: [HOT] [info-hotosm] Reference Project #1030 Nepal Earthquake

2015-05-07 Thread Steve Bower
Springfield, You raise important points, and are not raining on a parade. The resulting data will not be suitable for all purposes, but it can be very useful for this crisis response. I do think there is significant risk that some mappers will map directly from un-rectified imagery, and introduce

[HOT] Feedback

2015-05-07 Thread laura brittain
I agree with Kadja. This seems to be useful work even for novice mappers. If it isn't I'm sure we'll be told how to help better. The basic guides and video are very good. Adding simple, disaster-specific instructions will help a lot, but I'm sure that will come. It helped when task manager gave