[HOT] Validation Friday Webinar!

Hello everyone, Just a reminder that you don't want to miss tomorrow's #ValidationFriday Webinar, RSVP on Eventbrite for details: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hot-community-webinar-validation-training-ticke ts-42506916331 Happy Mapping! =Russ Russell Deffner Member - Community

[HOT] Validation on projects

Currently we seem to have a number of projects that are 95% mapped and 20% validated requesting validation. If you validate the project from the start you catch the errors mappers make early on which means you get better quality work overall and less time is spent reworking problem areas.

Re: [HOT] Validation gossip

Hi John, Happy to know someone is taking care of fixing Africa highways. FWIW, we use osmlint [0] to detect common geometry errors, these detected errors are then fed into to-fix [1]. Some of the detectors are related to highways [2]. Happy to support people or teams in Africa if this is

[HOT] Validation gossip

It's not validation in the conventional sense but there seems to be some sort of system that detects crossing highways I suspect by using overpass. It was developed in Europe for crossing highways there but has now been extended to cover other places and I'm not sure of the name of it. Anyway

Re: [HOT] Using HOT validation styles in JOSM

Interesting perhaps this is the way to pick out buildings=whatever when they cover more than one building. At the moment I think I'm happy with HDM. Thanks John On 12 July 2016 at 03:04, Nick Allen wrote: > Hi Laura & John, > > HDM is another very good style, but if

Re: [HOT] Using HOT validation styles in JOSM

Hi Laura & John, HDM is another very good style, but if you wish to look at the HOT Validate style (I frequently switch between 3 or 4 different styles depending on what I am currently doing), the process is quite simple for the initial setup, and even easier to switch once you have installed

Re: [HOT] Using HOT validation styles in JOSM

HDM is what I use normally. JOSM looks a bit odd if I map locally but it works well for Africa. Cheerio John On 11 July 2016 at 16:53, Laura O'Grady wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m not sure if this is the right place to post these questions. I’m a > first time validator and

[HOT] Validation for new mappers mapping Tanzania Task 1788

There are a lot of new inexperienced mappers mapping task http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1788 If there are any experienced mappers who are able to validate their work and give them feedback to ensure they are on the right track we would be extremely grateful. Many thanks, Janet

[HOT] Validation: Could one validator volunteer to give feedback to new validators directly for us?

Greetings, There have been a lot of new mappers and validators helping with Sri Lanka and that is great!!! We really really need crowds. Flood's crisis times are extended and they cover large areas, the mapping we are providing is unprecedented housing detail over a very large area, giving DMC

Re: [HOT] Validation support for mapathons

If there are any validators able to help out with this mapathon for Tanzania we'd be very grateful https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/osm-triple-mapping-party-dar-es-salaam-london-vilnius-tickets-22109616458 ThanksJanet Janet Chapman - Campaigns Manager and Project Officer

Re: [HOT] Validation

I added this to the relevant GitHub issue [1], which is currently being addressed. ~~Steve [1] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/401 On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Andrew Patterson wrote: > I like Daniel's "Start Mapping" and "Stop Mapping". The

[HOT] Validation

I like Daniel's "Start Mapping" and "Stop Mapping". The discussion seems to be evolving in the right direction as far as the text is concerned - but may I also mention the layout. The few times I have hit the "Mark Task is Done" button, I have been in a hurry and had been aiming for the "Unlock"

Re: [HOT] Validation

I've just submitted a pull request on github[1] for the reworded buttons. The labels proposed in the pull request are Start mapping, Stop mapping, and Submit for review since the consensus seemed to settle on those options. [1]: https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/pull/678 -- Jarmo

Re: [HOT] Validation

@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] Validation As I’m going through the comments again (here and on my diary post) I’m starting to realise how important it is to give feedback to newcomers. Without it, few people will ever feel confident about their contributions. In many cases it probably

Re: [HOT] Validation

Currently there are tooltips in place that are displayed when you hover the cursor over the button. They give a pretty clear idea on what the buttons do: - Lock this task to tell other that you are currently working on it - Stop working on this task and unlock it. You may resume work on it again

Re: [HOT] Validation

John, The tooltips do not require java, but do require javascript. This should not be an issue, though, since the tasking manager UI won't work in the first place if the browser is not executing javascript. -- Jarmo On 30.08.2015 19:04, john whelan wrote: Do tool tips require java or

Re: [HOT] Validation

Cc: hot hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] Validation As I’m going through the comments again (here and on my diary post) I’m starting to realise how important it is to give feedback to newcomers. Without it, few people will ever feel confident about their contributions. In many cases

[HOT] Validation

I like start mapping and stop mapping. Direct and simple. -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Re: [HOT] Validation

I like start mapping and stop mapping. Direct and simple. Sounds very good to me and should be simple to translate. Cheerio John On 30 August 2015 at 10:47, Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com wrote: I like start mapping and stop mapping. Direct and simple. -- Dan

Re: [HOT] Validation

I like the start mapping/stop mapping names. I always thought unlock was a bit weird. @susan since the TM is a project in github feel free to file an issue on the repo and take a shot at fixing the labels in the code. https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2 On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:37

Re: [HOT] Validation

Often a tile is worked on by a number of people. Perhaps ready for review accommodates having a number of contributers, and also has the connotation that it's finished? Hopefully the new Learn OSM modules and possibly text with each task pointing newbies to those modules will enlighten them

Re: [HOT] Validation

Realistically to give the NGOs the service level they would like we need to validate or review every tile. We need to revisit our ideas that someone off the street will know enough about OSM to be able to map correctly everything asked for in the instructions and will understand our jargon of

Re: [HOT] Validation

@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] Validation Often a tile is worked on by a number of people. Perhaps ready for review accommodates having a number of contributers, and also has the connotation that it's finished? Hopefully the new Learn OSM modules and possibly text with each task pointing

Re: [HOT] Validation

I really like both proposed wording changes - they send the right message to new contributors. My only concern is that submit for review implies that there *will* be review, which we can't always guarantee.  The number of regular validators has gone way up in the last few years and that's

Re: [HOT] Validation

As I’m going through the comments again (here and on my diary post) I’m starting to realise how important it is to give feedback to newcomers. Without it, few people will ever feel confident about their contributions. In many cases it probably doesn’t even need to be feedback from an expert —

Re: [HOT] Validation

On 24 Aug 2015, at 11:22, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also like to see a third option on the tasking manger I've done some work but not completed the tile could someone review it please. I'd rather catch errors early and some new mappers may not feel confident enough to

Re: [HOT] Validation

Interesting. For your information, I've recently written a document in which I describe what I think could be the future enhancements in the tasking manager. Specifically, there's a section about validation you may want to read.

Re: [HOT] Validation

Pierre's comments align much more closely to my own thoughts than the proposed current HOT training course and seem well thought out. I'd also like to see a third option on the tasking manger I've done some work but not completed the tile could someone review it please. I'd rather catch errors

Re: [HOT] Validation

Are you referring to one time mappers or any who map? The following refers to both: I often work on a tile and don’t have enough time to finish, know there’s more that needs to be done, or ask for a review by another mapper, so I don’t mark it Done. When there are a lot of buildings I don’t

Re: [HOT] Validation

Hi Jarmo. Welcome! My introduction/onboarding to HOT was almost identical to Jarmo's - and I can relate very clearly to all the points he has raised. I suspect that there are a few more lurkers on this list who will be similar. Pierre G's document suggests renaming the 'mark as done' button to

[HOT] Validation

I've been looking through the new courses and one thing that hit me was my idea of validation seems quite different to the concept I've seen so far in the course so I think we should start by deciding what we want our tile validators to do. These are my thoughts. Higher level validation can use

Re: [HOT] Validation

Friends, I would like to see some boundaries set on who validates. Someone with less than 50 changesets should not be validating, or even marking a tile Done. Sometimes I think new mapper validate and invalidate just for the fun of it. They quickly validate or invalidate and don’t map or

Re: [HOT] validation

I think if we get something like Nepal crop up again that this would be an excellent introduction to HOT mapping and would help on the data quality side. However we have around a thousand open projects in HOT at the moment and making an intro like this for each one would take quite a bit of

Re: [HOT] validation

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 09:11:39 PM john whelan wrote: Could some one think of a way to have a list of projects that are validated in this way that newcomers can find easily so they can get a bit of support and don't feel too isolated. It would need commitment from someone to validate a

Re: [HOT] validation

The instructions are not always clear, often have information newcomers don't understand, and are formatted in a way that make them difficult to grasp. People read information on the web differently than they do on paper. Short paragraphs of one sentence, lots of space, bulleted lists all work

Re: [HOT] validation

Hi all, john whelan schrieb am 28.06.2015 um 15:00: The problem with email addresses are that when Nepal started up we had several thousand new mappers in the first few days, if even 5% contacted the email address the person gets swamped and burns out. I agree that any direct interaction

Re: [HOT] validation

Another idea which comes to my mind: let contributors have a third choice for their task. Apart from Unlock and Mark task as done something which marks the task as done but calls for more-or-less immediate validation because the contributor wants feedback about the quality of his work. Such tiles

Re: [HOT] validation

I like the done but needs help option. This would be really helpful both during mapathons and for big activations where we have lots of new mappers. On Sun, Jun 28, 2015, 2:05 PM john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Another idea which comes to my mind: let contributors have a third choice

Re: [HOT] validation

John mentors me, and it's been extremely valuable to have him gently mentioning problems. Having a list of projects for new people where they can get some mentoring as they learn to map would be exellent. Being isolated isn't easy. Being on a team and working with other mappers encourages us

[HOT] validation

I normally keep an eye on about three or four projects and validate any tiles that get marked done on those projects usually within a day or so and often within an hour or two. Working like this I find I can gently mention problems to newcomers and strangely enough the projects get finished off.

Re: [HOT] validation

...@gmail.com To: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Validation Message-ID: caj-ex1gyl2wzbbrot_cfvahinu5cdu37nsdcv1wgwsskkox...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Could validators at least have the curtsy to read the project instructions before

[HOT] Validation

Could validators at least have the curtsy to read the project instructions before invalidating tiles because not all the buildings have been mapped on a project that does not require buildings to be mapped. I've brought it up in the Hot mailing group because although we talk about training for

Re: [HOT] Validation tools

Envoyé le : Dimanche 3 mai 2015 14h18 Objet : [HOT] Validation tools When I validate I may notice an area tagged as a building.  Occasionally I'll search the entire tile for more buildings by the same user and normally I'll find three or four areas tagged as buildings. When I validate

[HOT] Validation tools

When I validate I may notice an area tagged as a building. Occasionally I'll search the entire tile for more buildings by the same user and normally I'll find three or four areas tagged as buildings. When I validate a project I try to validate tiles as soon or shortly after they are done and

Re: [HOT] Validation of 'own' tiles

This is a software issue. Have filed it here: https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/589 -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org

Re: [HOT] Validation of 'own' tiles

 : Re: [HOT] Validation of 'own' tiles Hi again, last night I went through all the validated tiles in #1009 and had to invalidate most of them. Problem is that very new contributor (no or very few OSM edits, almost no HOT contributions so far) validate tiles. I wrote messages to all of them

[HOT] Validation of 'own' tiles

Hi all, I noticed in #1009 that some contributors validate tiles they marked as 'done' themselves. Please be reminded that you should not validate your own work! Some info about validation in [1]. Best wishes, Martin [1]

Re: [HOT] Validation

[continued... sorry for the previous post without meaningful content] If some people want a deeper dive into Tasking Manager, here are a few pointers to the GitHub repository for improvements and bug tracking system. Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: There are probably some

Re: [HOT] Validation

2. Maybe reverse what we have now: No mail gets sent when something is invalidated and mail gets sent when something is validated. I don't know how many people come back to map if their task square gets invalidated anyway, especially if it is weeks or months later so we might not be gaining

Re: [HOT] Validation

If some people want a deeper dive into Tasking Manager, here are a few pointers to the GitHub repository for improvements and bug tracking system. Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, Blake althio, Good practical advice. I think it is important to remember that there are humans on

Re: [HOT] Validation

So it sounds like by validating we are giving some positive feedback and makes it seem that the mapping efforts aren't for naught and ideally we should be in a position to validate within a day or two of the mapping to keep a bit of motivation up. I have noticed that in the stats we say xyz has

Re: [HOT] Validation

My personal views is that statuses done/validated/invalidated should be related to progress and quality of the current state of mapping. We should not use that to give feedback or give implicitly a notation to previous mappers. Use comments (with @-mentions) for feedback. A notation of mappers is

Re: [HOT] Validation

Nick, Blake althio, Good practical advice. I think it is important to remember that there are humans on either side of the validation. There have been times when I added a few features and then validated, other times I start adding and realize that quite a bit had been missed and then I'm kind of

[HOT] Validation

Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen

Re: [HOT] Validation

John, I tend to vary it a bit - My normal comment in the box is something like 'imagery was probably slow to load which is why they were missed', but then I often add a link to something like http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings-compounds-amp-barriers and a casual comment about

Re: [HOT] Validation

Hi John, It is a difficult question you ask as I feel the same way you and Nick do, I really don't want to invalidate squares to avoid discouraging people. I tend to almost never invalidate a square unless it is obvious that someone clicked done thinking that meant they were just done

[HOT] HOT Validation Style

To support the Tharparkar HMP and to make Validation of Tiles Easier, we have just released a new JOSM Style. This style is designed to highlight any items that do NOT match the spec proposed by Pierre at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa At the Moment, we are focused on

Re: [HOT] HOT Validation Style

Mark, Thanks for your work on this. I've installed it on two different computers (small laptop screen one with a much larger desktop screen) and given it a thorough work out over the last couple of hours - I like it found it much easier to identify problems with highway tags. I've added a

Re: [HOT] HOT Validation Style

Hi Nick, thanks and it is a pleasure. Will look at the issues on GitHub soon. Glad it is of use. Cheers Mark Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt *See me on StackExchange

Re: [HOT] Validation queries

Hi Severin. 4kb limit hence me cropping the message. I could start with http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/371 (CAR, Bossangoa) - I wasn't involved in mapping it. But I'm happy to start anywhere else if you prefer. Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for

[HOT] Validation queries

nick.allen.54 at gmail.com https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot // To:HOT at openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot // Subject: [HOT] Validation queries // Message-ID: 52D29D10.6010009 at gmail.com https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Re: [HOT] Validation queries

. My answers inline. Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:48:00 + From: Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com To: HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Validation queries Message-ID: 52d29d10.6010...@gmail.com mailto

[HOT] Validation queries

Hi, Would you like me to join in with the validation process? I am experienced in mapping OSM, but am fairly new to regularly mapping HOT projects. I'm responsible for some of the mapping in http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/72, as well as trying to change some of the more obvious 'highway=track