Re: [HOT] Checking validation work in TM3

[john whelan]

>Kind feedback and thank you? That is 50% of being a good validator,
sign them up! :)

You mean I can only clip them round the ear if I attend a Mapathon?

I really must go back and revalidate the 120 tiles one merry mapper has
done on a present project and thank him for each and every one.  I seem to
recall he's done almost as many HOT tiles as I have.

Cheerio John

On 22 Oct 2017 7:03 pm, "Blake Girardot"  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Kretzer  wrote:
> > Today I got some kind feedback by a user who validated two tasks and
> encouraged me to keep mapping. This user joined OSM a day ago and has 6
> tasks mapped and 4 tasks validated ... :-)
> >
>
> Kind feedback and thank you? That is 50% of being a good validator,
> sign them up! :)
>
> Cheers,
> blake
>
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Re: [HOT] Checking validation work in TM3

[Blake Girardot]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Kretzer  wrote:
> Today I got some kind feedback by a user who validated two tasks and 
> encouraged me to keep mapping. This user joined OSM a day ago and has 6 tasks 
> mapped and 4 tasks validated ... :-)
>

Kind feedback and thank you? That is 50% of being a good validator,
sign them up! :)

Cheers,
blake

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Re: [HOT] Checking validation work in TM3

[Kretzer]

Plus one. 
I also think a link on the "latest activity" list would be very useful. 
(By the way, is there a reason why this tab is hidden in the map? That looks a 
little strange to me)

"Last active" would also help to figure out if a new user is still around and 
likely to get the feedback in useful time. I think that's what you'd asked for 
before, and I agree that would be helpful  

Today I got some kind feedback by a user who validated two tasks and encouraged 
me to keep mapping. This user joined OSM a day ago and has 6 tasks mapped and 4 
tasks validated ... :-)

Cheers
Kathi 

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Am 22.10.17 um 13:06 schrieb john whelan

> I would concur.  Currently there is one tile validated by a new user that
> I've picked up making a few mistakes and I'd dearly love to find which tile
> they validated just to go over it again.
> 
> The other points I would agree with also.
> 
> Note to Scott at the bottom of the project page is a link to github.  If
> you add these to the issues tab then there is less likely hood they will be
> forgotten.
> 
> TM3 is a big change and anytime you mess with an operational user interface
> things don't always go smoothly.  A lot of it is very good but there are
> one or two points that could do with a bit of attention.
> 
> Cheerio John
> 
> On 22 October 2017 at 05:44, Scott Davies  wrote:
> 
> > Thanks again for taking the time to chat, Blake. Yes, you've identified
> > the issue and some potential improvements. I think perhaps the single
> > easiest solution would be to link to the task on the 'last activity' list.
> > Cheers,
> > Scott.
> >
> >
> > On 22 Oct 2017 09:35, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > Thank you very much for the feedback. We chatted about this on slack
> > and I just want to make clear and review to make sure I did not
> > misunderstand, this is about finding validated tasks to review the
> > validation work. We have had issues with new mappers validating task
> > squares so Scott, you are trying to review "new validators" not "new
> > mappers".
> >
> > We did not come up with a good way to do that, but identified some
> > possible improvements we can make to support this critical use. We
> > focused on some improvements to the stats page, like sortable columns
> > and maybe adding a column or two to the mapper list to indicate their
> > experience level.
> >
> > Thank you again for your time Scott.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > blake
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:14 AM, Scott Davies 
> > wrote:
> > > There's a lot I love about TM3, and hats off to those that put in the
> > hard
> > > work to make it happen.
> > >
> > > There are a few teething issues, though. eg. Many projects in the new TM
> > are
> > > still open to anyone to validate, so it's necessary to check that newer
> > > validators are doing a good job. But this is more difficult than it was
> > in
> > > TM2.
> > >
> > > The problem is finding the squares they validated in order to review
> > them.
> > >
> > > Hovering over 'start' next to the user's name on the main project page
> > can
> > > show you which task squares they've mapped, but not those they've
> > validated.
> > > The Activity & Stats page shows how many squares a user has validated
> > (under
> > > 'Contributions'), which allows us to figure out which newer users are
> > > validating. So far, so good. However that list doesn't include any link
> > to
> > > the actual task.
> > > The 'last activity' list similarly contains the information about who is
> > > doing what in the project (and is expandable, unlike in TM2), but the
> > > usefulness of that list is greatly undermined by the fact that, again,
> > there
> > > is no link to the task.
> > > The 'Comments by users' list *does* provide a link to the specific task
> > > square. However, where they've left a comment it's normally where they've
> > > invalidated the square; but if we're checking their work we're generally
> > > more interested in the ones they've validated (ie. possibly wrongly). And
> > > those who aren't used to validating might not leave a comment at all, of
> > > course.
> > > Another option is to look at the user's profile page, which shows the
> > number
> > > of tasks mapped and validated, but again, this doesn't have a link to
> > > specific tasks. (As an aside, in the list of projects on the user's page,
> > > the totals are incorrect-- but perhaps that issue is already known).
> > >
> > >
> > > Given all the above, I'm currently generally resorting to clicking
> > randomly
> > > on squares on the map, hoping to find one that the specific user I'm
> > > interested in has validated-- very time-consuming.
> > >
> > > Have I missed something? There must be an easier way to do this?
> > >
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Re: [HOT] Checking validation work in TM3

[john whelan]

I would concur.  Currently there is one tile validated by a new user that
I've picked up making a few mistakes and I'd dearly love to find which tile
they validated just to go over it again.

The other points I would agree with also.

Note to Scott at the bottom of the project page is a link to github.  If
you add these to the issues tab then there is less likely hood they will be
forgotten.

TM3 is a big change and anytime you mess with an operational user interface
things don't always go smoothly.  A lot of it is very good but there are
one or two points that could do with a bit of attention.

Cheerio John

On 22 October 2017 at 05:44, Scott Davies  wrote:

> Thanks again for taking the time to chat, Blake. Yes, you've identified
> the issue and some potential improvements. I think perhaps the single
> easiest solution would be to link to the task on the 'last activity' list.
> Cheers,
> Scott.
>
>
> On 22 Oct 2017 09:35, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thank you very much for the feedback. We chatted about this on slack
> and I just want to make clear and review to make sure I did not
> misunderstand, this is about finding validated tasks to review the
> validation work. We have had issues with new mappers validating task
> squares so Scott, you are trying to review "new validators" not "new
> mappers".
>
> We did not come up with a good way to do that, but identified some
> possible improvements we can make to support this critical use. We
> focused on some improvements to the stats page, like sortable columns
> and maybe adding a column or two to the mapper list to indicate their
> experience level.
>
> Thank you again for your time Scott.
>
> Respectfully,
> blake
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:14 AM, Scott Davies 
> wrote:
> > There's a lot I love about TM3, and hats off to those that put in the
> hard
> > work to make it happen.
> >
> > There are a few teething issues, though. eg. Many projects in the new TM
> are
> > still open to anyone to validate, so it's necessary to check that newer
> > validators are doing a good job. But this is more difficult than it was
> in
> > TM2.
> >
> > The problem is finding the squares they validated in order to review
> them.
> >
> > Hovering over 'start' next to the user's name on the main project page
> can
> > show you which task squares they've mapped, but not those they've
> validated.
> > The Activity & Stats page shows how many squares a user has validated
> (under
> > 'Contributions'), which allows us to figure out which newer users are
> > validating. So far, so good. However that list doesn't include any link
> to
> > the actual task.
> > The 'last activity' list similarly contains the information about who is
> > doing what in the project (and is expandable, unlike in TM2), but the
> > usefulness of that list is greatly undermined by the fact that, again,
> there
> > is no link to the task.
> > The 'Comments by users' list *does* provide a link to the specific task
> > square. However, where they've left a comment it's normally where they've
> > invalidated the square; but if we're checking their work we're generally
> > more interested in the ones they've validated (ie. possibly wrongly). And
> > those who aren't used to validating might not leave a comment at all, of
> > course.
> > Another option is to look at the user's profile page, which shows the
> number
> > of tasks mapped and validated, but again, this doesn't have a link to
> > specific tasks. (As an aside, in the list of projects on the user's page,
> > the totals are incorrect-- but perhaps that issue is already known).
> >
> >
> > Given all the above, I'm currently generally resorting to clicking
> randomly
> > on squares on the map, hoping to find one that the specific user I'm
> > interested in has validated-- very time-consuming.
> >
> > Have I missed something? There must be an easier way to do this?
> >
> >
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Re: [HOT] Checking validation work in TM3

[Scott Davies]

Thanks again for taking the time to chat, Blake. Yes, you've identified the
issue and some potential improvements. I think perhaps the single easiest
solution would be to link to the task on the 'last activity' list.
Cheers,
Scott.


On 22 Oct 2017 09:35, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" 
wrote:

Hi Scott,

Thank you very much for the feedback. We chatted about this on slack
and I just want to make clear and review to make sure I did not
misunderstand, this is about finding validated tasks to review the
validation work. We have had issues with new mappers validating task
squares so Scott, you are trying to review "new validators" not "new
mappers".

We did not come up with a good way to do that, but identified some
possible improvements we can make to support this critical use. We
focused on some improvements to the stats page, like sortable columns
and maybe adding a column or two to the mapper list to indicate their
experience level.

Thank you again for your time Scott.

Respectfully,
blake


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:14 AM, Scott Davies 
wrote:
> There's a lot I love about TM3, and hats off to those that put in the hard
> work to make it happen.
>
> There are a few teething issues, though. eg. Many projects in the new TM
are
> still open to anyone to validate, so it's necessary to check that newer
> validators are doing a good job. But this is more difficult than it was in
> TM2.
>
> The problem is finding the squares they validated in order to review them.
>
> Hovering over 'start' next to the user's name on the main project page can
> show you which task squares they've mapped, but not those they've
validated.
> The Activity & Stats page shows how many squares a user has validated
(under
> 'Contributions'), which allows us to figure out which newer users are
> validating. So far, so good. However that list doesn't include any link to
> the actual task.
> The 'last activity' list similarly contains the information about who is
> doing what in the project (and is expandable, unlike in TM2), but the
> usefulness of that list is greatly undermined by the fact that, again,
there
> is no link to the task.
> The 'Comments by users' list *does* provide a link to the specific task
> square. However, where they've left a comment it's normally where they've
> invalidated the square; but if we're checking their work we're generally
> more interested in the ones they've validated (ie. possibly wrongly). And
> those who aren't used to validating might not leave a comment at all, of
> course.
> Another option is to look at the user's profile page, which shows the
number
> of tasks mapped and validated, but again, this doesn't have a link to
> specific tasks. (As an aside, in the list of projects on the user's page,
> the totals are incorrect-- but perhaps that issue is already known).
>
>
> Given all the above, I'm currently generally resorting to clicking
randomly
> on squares on the map, hoping to find one that the specific user I'm
> interested in has validated-- very time-consuming.
>
> Have I missed something? There must be an easier way to do this?
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Checking validation work in TM3

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Scott,

Thank you very much for the feedback. We chatted about this on slack
and I just want to make clear and review to make sure I did not
misunderstand, this is about finding validated tasks to review the
validation work. We have had issues with new mappers validating task
squares so Scott, you are trying to review "new validators" not "new
mappers".

We did not come up with a good way to do that, but identified some
possible improvements we can make to support this critical use. We
focused on some improvements to the stats page, like sortable columns
and maybe adding a column or two to the mapper list to indicate their
experience level.

Thank you again for your time Scott.

Respectfully,
blake


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:14 AM, Scott Davies  wrote:
> There's a lot I love about TM3, and hats off to those that put in the hard
> work to make it happen.
>
> There are a few teething issues, though. eg. Many projects in the new TM are
> still open to anyone to validate, so it's necessary to check that newer
> validators are doing a good job. But this is more difficult than it was in
> TM2.
>
> The problem is finding the squares they validated in order to review them.
>
> Hovering over 'start' next to the user's name on the main project page can
> show you which task squares they've mapped, but not those they've validated.
> The Activity & Stats page shows how many squares a user has validated (under
> 'Contributions'), which allows us to figure out which newer users are
> validating. So far, so good. However that list doesn't include any link to
> the actual task.
> The 'last activity' list similarly contains the information about who is
> doing what in the project (and is expandable, unlike in TM2), but the
> usefulness of that list is greatly undermined by the fact that, again, there
> is no link to the task.
> The 'Comments by users' list *does* provide a link to the specific task
> square. However, where they've left a comment it's normally where they've
> invalidated the square; but if we're checking their work we're generally
> more interested in the ones they've validated (ie. possibly wrongly). And
> those who aren't used to validating might not leave a comment at all, of
> course.
> Another option is to look at the user's profile page, which shows the number
> of tasks mapped and validated, but again, this doesn't have a link to
> specific tasks. (As an aside, in the list of projects on the user's page,
> the totals are incorrect-- but perhaps that issue is already known).
>
>
> Given all the above, I'm currently generally resorting to clicking randomly
> on squares on the map, hoping to find one that the specific user I'm
> interested in has validated-- very time-consuming.
>
> Have I missed something? There must be an easier way to do this?
>
>
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