Wow, need to watch this mailing list more closely! What an interesting week.
A few thoughts FWIW:
* I've no objection to the wording changes proposed. Having said that,
it strikes me as a little meaningless. How welcoming we are as a
community will show in our actions.
To paraphrase Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Let me never fall into the vulgar
mistake of dreaming that I am being harassed whenever I am contradicted."
Your assumption that I have never been harassed is patently false and adds
no value to this conversation.
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 6:30 PM Jason Scott,
i believe it does matter how the individuals behave, else there is nothing to
discuss... this is the devolution of conversation that i was referring to, and
i will not add to this amplification any longer. i have no information, and
trust ken.
--brian
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On Dec
is this what we are talking about as far as harassment? i do not feel that this
much more than a troll.
--brian
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On Dec 16, 2019, 17:59, Jason Scott wrote:
> Unsubscribe
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 7:45 PM brian via Hpr wrote:
>
>> i realize that i did not answer
i realize that i did not answer ken's question... yes ken i approve of the
notice change.
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this kind of escalation seems to be common lately. let us not allow it to
invade... our community is one of inclusiveness, and i have not seen the
contrary, except for a brief spaceman/vulgarity moment. i feel we were civil in
that instance, and we can remain so now. realize that tone and tact
Spoken like someone who has never really been harassed.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Paul Quirk wrote:
> At some point, those who are being harassed need to recognize the fact
> that they have the power to ignore their harassers and recognize that
> engaging with certain personalities that
On 2019-12-16 11:06, Klaatu wrote:
> Do we have more information about the harrassment that took (or is taking?)
> place? I don't mean names or anything specific, just wondering what we're
> dealing with. Mean comments? Threatening emails? What level are we at here?
I contacted the podcaster
I've the same question.
On 12/16/19 5:06 AM, Klaatu wrote:
I agree with the proposed patch.
Do we have more information about the harrassment that took (or is taking?)
place? I don't mean names or anything specific, just wondering what we're
dealing with. Mean comments? Threatening emails?
I agree with the proposed patch.
Do we have more information about the harrassment that took (or is taking?)
place? I don't mean names or anything specific, just wondering what we're
dealing with. Mean comments? Threatening emails? What level are we at here?
If discussing it publically would
On 2019-12-14 16:54, Ken Fallon wrote:
>
> This is not a Code of Conduct. This gives a mandate to myself and the
> other "admins/janitors" to take action.
>
I'd like to explain my logic here a little and why I think it's important.
I see the HPR Policies reflecting how we act as a community,
This actually came as a shock to me when I checked my e-mail. I didn't
think we'd have to deal with this kind of stuff on HPR. I support your
decision as well.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 7:57 AM Ken Fallon wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have had disturbing reports that multiple hosts have been harassed
I support Ken's suggestion, but I also saw a suggestion to remove host's
contact information, which I hope does not happen. We have had a great
community, and I think we can keep it. And I like that people can easily
find me if they want to go deeper into anything I have discussed. In fact,
just
I'm concerned that a CoC will open up HPR to the kind of legal action
that would destroy it. A CoC is a contract explicit and implied. Once
it's out there, expect the lawyers to begin circling waiting to feed on
HPR's impending demise.
If someone is making Ad Hominem attacks towards you, that
I'm completely in favour of language that describes a cooperative,
welcoming culture.
Some people have suggested removing host e-mail addresses from the show
notes. Can this be a selectable option? When I submit something I'm OK
with my e-mail address being visible and publicly available --
At some point, those who are being harassed need to recognize the fact
that they have the power to ignore their harassers and recognize that
engaging with certain personalities that conflict with your own as a
complete waste of your time. Just go on doing what you're doing; life's
too short to
On 2019-12-14 16:44, cobra2 via Hpr wrote:
> No. i'm quite blunt in my wording. "Possibly critical" is exactly what I
> meant. I'd rather not see anything changed.
>
> We are a community. I believe in our own ability to handle this matter
> among ourselves. We should handle this matter as a
When you think about it, it's surprising we haven't had this problem
before. Unless we did, and it just wasn't brought to light.
Can we assume the harassment source was from within the community, and
not just from random trolls on the Internet? I think removing email
addresses of hosts is a great
...@stankdawg.com
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 6:58:42 AM
To: k...@fallon.ie
Cc: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org
Subject: Re: [Hpr] Harassment on HPR
Unacceptable. If I need to get involved let me know. Everyone already hates me
already so I don’t kind pissing some people off if someone needs
No. i'm quite blunt in my wording. "Possibly critical" is exactly what I meant.
I'd rather not see anything changed.
We are a community. I believe in our own ability to handle this matter among
ourselves. We should handle this matter as a community rather than a policy
change. This will allow
I counter "possibly critical" with "constructive"?
Dave
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019, 15:29 cobra2 via Hpr,
wrote:
> To the harassed: I hope you've ignored the person being an ass. We are
> here to support you in pretty much any way that we can. Don't let this
> deter you from using our platform for
To the harassed: I hope you've ignored the person being an ass. We are here to
support you in pretty much any way that we can. Don't let this deter you from
using our platform for spreading your shows! We (most of us) love them!
To the harasser: WTF?! Grow up please.
I have an amended change
perhaps we could remove the host links from the show page, and make people
"find" the info on the "hosts" page... this wouldn't stop all harassment, but
perhaps a little of the lazy kind...
--brian
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On Dec 14, 2019, 07:58, stankd...@stankdawg.com wrote:
>
Sorry to hear about this situation, that is unfortunate and I hope this is
resolved soon for the folks involved.
As far as the CoC or other wording fixes, please do consider this route with
caution. Whether you approve of them or not, CoC’s are an attack surface, and
organizations who are
Unacceptable. If I need to get involved let me know. Everyone already hates me
already so I don’t kind pissing some people off if someone needs to be the
disciplinarian.
Maybe I record an episode about why this community is so shitty to itself
sometimes?
Sent from my iPhone.
> On Dec 14,
I also support this change, and most likely any other to curb the situation.
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I'm fairly new here, but the reason I wanted to join and contribute is the
fact that the podcasts over the past year left me with the impression that
this is a brotherhood of sharing knowledge, and whether I found something
interesting or boring was due to my own tastes and did not reflect the
Does this include the guy who commented that my how i found linux show
was boring?
:)
On 12/14/19 7:56 AM, Ken Fallon wrote:
Hi All,
I have had disturbing reports that multiple hosts have been harassed
after posting shows to HPR. After further investigation I have no reason
to doubt that
I'm a lurker, but I 100% approve. Anyone who doesn't care for the community
should move along (or be helped out the door).
From: Hpr on behalf of Ken Fallon
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 7:56 AM
To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org
Subject: [Hpr] Harassment
I fully support this as wellOn Dec 14, 2019 07:56, Ken Fallon wrote:Hi All,
I have had disturbing reports that multiple hosts have been harassed
after posting shows to HPR. After further investigation I have no reason
to doubt that these reports are anything but genuine.
This has been a
The governance of the HPR community requires me first to get community
approval for changes.
Once that is approved, we move on to making practical changes.
1. Changing the site to ensure hosts know we do not tolerate this and
report it asap.
2. Providing (independent) points of contact to report
Is it a coincidence that I recently asked in oggcastplanet about a
comment door made in his most recent episode about a friend getting
harrassed?
Regardless, I've no objection to this change. I suppose I thought that
was the case all along.
On 12/14/19 8:01 AM, Dave Lee wrote:
Both
Hi All,
I have had disturbing reports that multiple hosts have been harassed
after posting shows to HPR. After further investigation I have no reason
to doubt that these reports are anything but genuine.
This has been a bit of a shock to me, as HPR has always seemed like a
well-regulated
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