Re: [Hpr] Permission to move out a show

[Dave Lee (HPR)]

(Sorry for the repost, my mail client isn't clever enough to realise which email address I wanted to send this from...)

Hi everyone,

Ken has kindly shared with me the detail surround this particular episode. 

I understand Ken's reluctance to publicise the full detail at this time, due to the potential impact on the individuals involved.  This situation is not as straight-forward as it might appear on the surface, but this not a simple case of censorship.  It is my opinion that Ken's dealings with this have been completely on point, and I am in full support of his actions.

As the host has agreed to (and, in fact they offered) the removal of the episode from being published on HPR, that is what I recommend is done.

Many thanks,
Dave

 via Newton Mail On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:17pm, Ken Fallon  wrote:
  

  
  
Thanks Dave,


I removed the show. 



In other news we appear to have a call
  for shows open ;-)

  -- 
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon

On 2022-03-24 23:05, Dave Lee wrote:


  
  
  Hi everyone,
  
  Ken has kindly
shared with me the detail surround this particular episode.  
  
  I understand
Ken's reluctance to publicise the full detail at this time, due
to the potential impact on the individuals involved.  This
situation is not as straight-forward as it might appear on the
surface, but this not a simple case of censorship.  It is my
opinion that Ken's dealings with this have been completely on
point, and I am in full support of his actions.
  
  As the host
has agreed to (and, in fact they offered) the removal of the
episode from being published on HPR, that is what I recommend is
done.
  
  Many thanks,
  Dave
  
   via Newton
  Mail 
  On Thu,
Mar 24, 2022 at 7:41pm, Ken Fallon 
wrote:
  
  

  The host has got back in touch with me after been
away for a few weeks 
without Internet access.
  We now have the permission to remove the show.
  I have brought this thread to their attention.
  I am producing a report into the chain of events
that took place. I have 
requested the community members who expressed concern about
moving the 
shows review it. With the goal to report back to the list
with their 
opinions on the matter.
-- 
  Regards,
  Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
kenfallon.com
hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
  
  On 2022-03-23 07:46, stankd...@stankdawg.com
wrote:
> Replying to the original but read all the responses.
>
> I trust Ken completely. He is only taking this step for
better communication with the contributor and the community.
He has that much respect to be open about it. Don’t
overthink it.  Don’t jump to conclusions on any reasons
until the communication is complete. You may never even find
out.
>
> Also. In general, all of us behind HPR believe in free
speech and are against censorship. But just like forums or
tv shows or web sites we must have boundaries. Again I have
no idea if there are content issues with this show that
cross any of those boundaries or any show. But don’t cry
censorship if I or the admins/janitors/etc choose to
disallow a show that promotes hateful or illegal activity.
That is not censorship. That is safety and responsibility. 
You must trust the system and again I trust Ken completely.
>
> Start giving these people the benefit of the doubt and
assume positive intent of the people who have been
successfully running this show for several years. I am
certain that they have earned that respect.
>
> -StankDawg
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 4:42 AM, Ken Fallon  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> One of the shows in the queue has some issues. I
spoke to the host about it and it is not clear if they want
to remove it or replace it. I think they are off line for a
bit as they haven't replied.
>>
>> Can I move the show out past the Community News so
that the current slot can be freed up ? Hopefully that will
give time for the host to reply.
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
   

Re: [Hpr] Permission to move out a show

[Ken Fallon]

Thanks Dave,

I removed the show.

In other news we appear to have a call for shows open ;-)

--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon

On 2022-03-24 23:05, Dave Lee wrote:


Hi everyone,


Ken has kindly shared with me the detail surround this particular 
episode.



I understand Ken's reluctance to publicise the full detail at this 
time, due to the potential impact on the individuals involved.  This 
situation is not as straight-forward as it might appear on the 
surface, but this not a simple case of censorship.  It is my opinion 
that Ken's dealings with this have been completely on point, and I am 
in full support of his actions.



As the host has agreed to (and, in fact they offered) the removal of 
the episode from being published on HPR, that is what I recommend is done.



Many thanks,

Dave


via Newton Mail 
 


On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 7:41pm, Ken Fallon  wrote:

The host has got back in touch with me after been away for a few
weeks
without Internet access.

We now have the permission to remove the show.

I have brought this thread to their attention.

I am producing a report into the chain of events that took place.
I have
requested the community members who expressed concern about moving
the
shows review it. With the goal to report back to the list with their
opinions on the matter.
-- 


Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
kenfallon.com


hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon



On 2022-03-23 07:46, stankd...@stankdawg.com wrote:
> Replying to the original but read all the responses.
>
> I trust Ken completely. He is only taking this step for better
communication with the contributor and the community. He has that
much respect to be open about it. Don’t overthink it.  Don’t jump
to conclusions on any reasons until the communication is complete.
You may never even find out.
>
> Also. In general, all of us behind HPR believe in free speech
and are against censorship. But just like forums or tv shows or
web sites we must have boundaries. Again I have no idea if there
are content issues with this show that cross any of those
boundaries or any show. But don’t cry censorship if I or the
admins/janitors/etc choose to disallow a show that promotes
hateful or illegal activity. That is not censorship. That is
safety and responsibility. You must trust the system and again I
trust Ken completely.
>
> Start giving these people the benefit of the doubt and assume
positive intent of the people who have been successfully running
this show for several years. I am certain that they have earned
that respect.
>
> -StankDawg
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 4:42 AM, Ken Fallon  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> One of the shows in the queue has some issues. I spoke to the
host about it and it is not clear if they want to remove it or
replace it. I think they are off line for a bit as they haven't
replied.
>>
>> Can I move the show out past the Community News so that the
current slot can be freed up ? Hopefully that will give time for
the host to reply.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
>> kenfallon.com 
>> hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon

>>
>
-- 
Regards,


Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
kenfallon.com 
hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


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Re: [Hpr] Permission to move out a show

[Ken Fallon]

The host has got back in touch with me after been away for a few weeks 
without Internet access.


We now have the permission to remove the show.

I have brought this thread to their attention.

I am producing a report into the chain of events that took place. I have 
requested the community members who expressed concern about moving the 
shows review it. With the goal to report back to the list with their 
opinions on the matter.

--

Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


On 2022-03-23 07:46, stankd...@stankdawg.com wrote:

Replying to the original but read all the responses.

I trust Ken completely. He is only taking this step for better communication 
with the contributor and the community. He has that much respect to be open 
about it. Don’t overthink it.  Don’t jump to conclusions on any reasons until 
the communication is complete. You may never even find out.

Also. In general, all of us behind HPR believe in free speech and are against 
censorship. But just like forums or tv shows or web sites we must have 
boundaries. Again I have no idea if there are content issues with this show 
that cross any of those boundaries or any show. But don’t cry censorship if I 
or the admins/janitors/etc choose to disallow a show that promotes hateful or 
illegal activity. That is not censorship. That is safety and responsibility.  
You must trust the system and again I trust Ken completely.

Start giving these people the benefit of the doubt and assume positive intent 
of the people who have been successfully running this show for several years. I 
am certain that they have earned that respect.

-StankDawg

Sent from my iPhone.


On Mar 21, 2022, at 4:42 AM, Ken Fallon  wrote:

Hi All,

One of the shows in the queue has some issues. I spoke to the host about it and 
it is not clear if they want to remove it or replace it. I think they are off 
line for a bit as they haven't replied.

Can I move the show out past the Community News so that the current slot can be 
freed up ? Hopefully that will give time for the host to reply.

--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon




--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


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Re: [Hpr] Auditing the janitors

[Mike Ray]

You're quite right. I had no idea there was any money involved at all.


Any thoughts about GDPR?



On 24/03/2022 09:19, Ken Fallon wrote:

Hi Mike,

Please take this seriously. You have no idea the amount of money the 
Janitos have to deal with.


Only yesterday we had a Nigerian prince offer us almost $ 15,000,000 
American Dollars, not to mention the issues the UN secretary general 
seems to be having with his bank account.





--
Michael A. Ray
Software engineer
Witley, Surrey, South-east UK

He/him/cis

"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when 
there is nothing left to take away." -- A. de Saint-Exupery




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Re: [Hpr] Auditing the janitors

[Ken Fallon]

Hi Mike,

Please take this seriously. You have no idea the amount of money the 
Janitos have to deal with.


Only yesterday we had a Nigerian prince offer us almost $ 15,000,000 
American Dollars, not to mention the issues the UN secretary general 
seems to be having with his bank account.


--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


On 2022-03-24 09:50, Mike Ray wrote:



I've got a better idea...how about we start remembering this is a 
podcast and not Goldman Sachs?


I don't mean to be cheeky or aggressive, but the mention of 
'auditors'? Is that not going a bit far?


You're not going to be fined for non-compliance, or for underpaying 
corporation tax, if indeed anybody anywhere actually pays corporation 
tax anymore.





On 23/03/2022 20:25, Ken Fallon wrote:

Hi All,

I'd like to suggest a new thread about the need to provide oversight 
into the work of the janitors.


My initial suggestion is to have an Auditor from the Community join 
the Admin channels for the purposes of monitoring their work. This 
should be a rotating position, so that the person/people don't become 
on of the team.


They could then report to the mail list or on the community news when 
they feel that there is anything that is not above board.


Anyone got any better ideas ?







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Re: [Hpr] Auditing the janitors

[Mike Ray]

I've got a better idea...how about we start remembering this is a 
podcast and not Goldman Sachs?


I don't mean to be cheeky or aggressive, but the mention of 'auditors'? 
Is that not going a bit far?


You're not going to be fined for non-compliance, or for underpaying 
corporation tax, if indeed anybody anywhere actually pays corporation 
tax anymore.





On 23/03/2022 20:25, Ken Fallon wrote:

Hi All,

I'd like to suggest a new thread about the need to provide oversight 
into the work of the janitors.


My initial suggestion is to have an Auditor from the Community join the 
Admin channels for the purposes of monitoring their work. This should be 
a rotating position, so that the person/people don't become on of the team.


They could then report to the mail list or on the community news when 
they feel that there is anything that is not above board.


Anyone got any better ideas ?




--
Michael A. Ray
Software engineer
Witley, Surrey, South-east UK

He/him/cis

"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when 
there is nothing left to take away." -- A. de Saint-Exupery




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