Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[dnt]

Hi, all,

Before listening to the community news today, I hadn't actually 
understood how people scrambling to post shows has been sort of hiding 
from the main feed how depleted the queue has actually been, and I see 
how that would lead to hosts not posting a show. I think it would be a 
good thing if we let emergency shows go through, and feed the emergency 
queue more often. We've talked about this before.


Also, sorry about the "essay" earlier, I didn't keep in mind that it 
would be read in the community news. I'll be sure to include a "TL;DR" 
if I ever must do that again.


Thanks,
dnt

On 5/31/23 06:40, Brian K Navarette wrote:
I agree with dnt. You listen to shoes like Ask Noah and they are doing 
the same (though not as good editing wise, or as funny) thing. I like 
the shows.

brian-in -ohio

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 6:41 AM dnt > wrote:


Hi,

On this, I agree with the majority, that we don't need to change the
current guideline into a hard rule, and it seems like it could
exacerbate the problem of filling the queue. More importantly, I think
it would do little to attract more shows by more contributors.

I've thought a lot of things about this. Also have been thinking about
what Ken said a while ago, which got me thinking about what it means to
be a member of a community project.

I think the process of submitting a show is not very involved but it
does feel quite formal, which can induce the contributor to feel like
they're producing a major work, which can cause delays. On the other
hand, it's important for a contributor's first contribution experience
to be a positive one. I think there's probably a wide range of
experiences of becoming an HPR host, so there's a wide range of things
people need to help them through that step. For me, I remember as I
stood over that small pot of porridge, wooden spoon in one hand, phone
in the other, I was really smitten with HPR and was very driven to send
a show, but it still took a couple of months. We can only imagine how
many recorded but unposted HPR shows are out there, you could perhaps
get another 13 years out of them. Anyway, in the porridge show, I
mentioned some of the shows that captivated me, and ultimately got
me to
want in, and they were by a variety of hosts that don't submit shows
all
the time. I think if HPR should be a show with a small group of
rotating
hosts, that would be OK, but it would become much more similar to other
shows that I don't listen to. For me, the key thing with HPR is that
you
don't know who or what is coming.

Anyway, I think in part we need to understand that HPR's goals are
quite
lofty, actually, and of course perhaps it will fold at some point, and
it's had quite a long run. Also, not all is lost when HPR does fold,
because the archive will live on. With those things in mind, I think it
is worth continuing to aim for an HPR that contains multitudes, many
hosts that only contribute sporadically. We need to accept the risks
that come with that, and agree that they're worth it, and the day
HPR folds.

So, as for ideas for how to increase listener conversion and also help
fill the queue in another way:

   * Rewards for submitting a show: could we actually offer to send
     people an HPR sticker if they submit a show? Could that be worth
     doing or at all feasible? Or could there be some kind of digital
     thing we could send people? Maybe we could create a bundle of
     Creative Commons stuff, like a collection of texts about free
     culture? The HPR Contributor Handbook, where we could say what we
     would want to say to all new contributors, if we had them
trapped in
     a room for hours. Or it could be kind of like a catalog. Perhaps
     this is something I could apply my developing LaTeX skillz to,
     automatically building a 1 million page PDF from the show
summaries etc.
   * Creating more seamless platforms for people to submit shows. I
could
     try to implement that idea of creating an HPR recording booth in a
     matrix channel, using matrix-commander. It could be the HPR
     Confessional :p
   * Having a regular live session on Mumble. If we can get people to
     show up and talk for 24 hours on new year's eve, could it be
     possible to do it for 30 minutes a week? We could form a team that
     rotates staffing that recording session, and the focus would
have to
     be on whoever turns up. That is, if someone comes to the recording,
     we start asking them about them, as if tricking them into their
"How
     I got into tech" show. The hosts would also do their best to avoid
     inane chatter. :D
   * Consider making a show submission API, if there are members of the
     

Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Brian K Navarette]

I agree with dnt. You listen to shoes like Ask Noah and they are doing the
same (though not as good editing wise, or as funny) thing. I like the shows.
brian-in -ohio

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 6:41 AM dnt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On this, I agree with the majority, that we don't need to change the
> current guideline into a hard rule, and it seems like it could
> exacerbate the problem of filling the queue. More importantly, I think
> it would do little to attract more shows by more contributors.
>
> I've thought a lot of things about this. Also have been thinking about
> what Ken said a while ago, which got me thinking about what it means to
> be a member of a community project.
>
> I think the process of submitting a show is not very involved but it
> does feel quite formal, which can induce the contributor to feel like
> they're producing a major work, which can cause delays. On the other
> hand, it's important for a contributor's first contribution experience
> to be a positive one. I think there's probably a wide range of
> experiences of becoming an HPR host, so there's a wide range of things
> people need to help them through that step. For me, I remember as I
> stood over that small pot of porridge, wooden spoon in one hand, phone
> in the other, I was really smitten with HPR and was very driven to send
> a show, but it still took a couple of months. We can only imagine how
> many recorded but unposted HPR shows are out there, you could perhaps
> get another 13 years out of them. Anyway, in the porridge show, I
> mentioned some of the shows that captivated me, and ultimately got me to
> want in, and they were by a variety of hosts that don't submit shows all
> the time. I think if HPR should be a show with a small group of rotating
> hosts, that would be OK, but it would become much more similar to other
> shows that I don't listen to. For me, the key thing with HPR is that you
> don't know who or what is coming.
>
> Anyway, I think in part we need to understand that HPR's goals are quite
> lofty, actually, and of course perhaps it will fold at some point, and
> it's had quite a long run. Also, not all is lost when HPR does fold,
> because the archive will live on. With those things in mind, I think it
> is worth continuing to aim for an HPR that contains multitudes, many
> hosts that only contribute sporadically. We need to accept the risks
> that come with that, and agree that they're worth it, and the day HPR
> folds.
>
> So, as for ideas for how to increase listener conversion and also help
> fill the queue in another way:
>
>   * Rewards for submitting a show: could we actually offer to send
> people an HPR sticker if they submit a show? Could that be worth
> doing or at all feasible? Or could there be some kind of digital
> thing we could send people? Maybe we could create a bundle of
> Creative Commons stuff, like a collection of texts about free
> culture? The HPR Contributor Handbook, where we could say what we
> would want to say to all new contributors, if we had them trapped in
> a room for hours. Or it could be kind of like a catalog. Perhaps
> this is something I could apply my developing LaTeX skillz to,
> automatically building a 1 million page PDF from the show summaries
> etc.
>   * Creating more seamless platforms for people to submit shows. I could
> try to implement that idea of creating an HPR recording booth in a
> matrix channel, using matrix-commander. It could be the HPR
> Confessional :p
>   * Having a regular live session on Mumble. If we can get people to
> show up and talk for 24 hours on new year's eve, could it be
> possible to do it for 30 minutes a week? We could form a team that
> rotates staffing that recording session, and the focus would have to
> be on whoever turns up. That is, if someone comes to the recording,
> we start asking them about them, as if tricking them into their "How
> I got into tech" show. The hosts would also do their best to avoid
> inane chatter. :D
>   * Consider making a show submission API, if there are members of the
> community who would be interested in building a show-submission app
> that aligns with the goal of getting contributors. I think this has
> been talked about before, in the context of the Linux In-Laws asking
> for it. I think it could be something that eases development of
> integrations, because if people want to develop an integration, they
> can do so more independently. Unfortunately I would have nothing to
> contribute on this front.
>   * Re-runs: once a week, select a noteworthy episode from the archive,
> and repost it. There's a huge archive many of us don't know, and I
> have had a great time listening to some old shows some of the more
> venerable among us have mentioned in passing. We could form a small
> team to select shown for reposting, with people who are interested
> in randomly 

Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[dnt]

Hi,

On this, I agree with the majority, that we don't need to change the 
current guideline into a hard rule, and it seems like it could 
exacerbate the problem of filling the queue. More importantly, I think 
it would do little to attract more shows by more contributors.


I've thought a lot of things about this. Also have been thinking about 
what Ken said a while ago, which got me thinking about what it means to 
be a member of a community project.


I think the process of submitting a show is not very involved but it 
does feel quite formal, which can induce the contributor to feel like 
they're producing a major work, which can cause delays. On the other 
hand, it's important for a contributor's first contribution experience 
to be a positive one. I think there's probably a wide range of 
experiences of becoming an HPR host, so there's a wide range of things 
people need to help them through that step. For me, I remember as I 
stood over that small pot of porridge, wooden spoon in one hand, phone 
in the other, I was really smitten with HPR and was very driven to send 
a show, but it still took a couple of months. We can only imagine how 
many recorded but unposted HPR shows are out there, you could perhaps 
get another 13 years out of them. Anyway, in the porridge show, I 
mentioned some of the shows that captivated me, and ultimately got me to 
want in, and they were by a variety of hosts that don't submit shows all 
the time. I think if HPR should be a show with a small group of rotating 
hosts, that would be OK, but it would become much more similar to other 
shows that I don't listen to. For me, the key thing with HPR is that you 
don't know who or what is coming.


Anyway, I think in part we need to understand that HPR's goals are quite 
lofty, actually, and of course perhaps it will fold at some point, and 
it's had quite a long run. Also, not all is lost when HPR does fold, 
because the archive will live on. With those things in mind, I think it 
is worth continuing to aim for an HPR that contains multitudes, many 
hosts that only contribute sporadically. We need to accept the risks 
that come with that, and agree that they're worth it, and the day HPR folds.


So, as for ideas for how to increase listener conversion and also help 
fill the queue in another way:


 * Rewards for submitting a show: could we actually offer to send
   people an HPR sticker if they submit a show? Could that be worth
   doing or at all feasible? Or could there be some kind of digital
   thing we could send people? Maybe we could create a bundle of
   Creative Commons stuff, like a collection of texts about free
   culture? The HPR Contributor Handbook, where we could say what we
   would want to say to all new contributors, if we had them trapped in
   a room for hours. Or it could be kind of like a catalog. Perhaps
   this is something I could apply my developing LaTeX skillz to,
   automatically building a 1 million page PDF from the show summaries etc.
 * Creating more seamless platforms for people to submit shows. I could
   try to implement that idea of creating an HPR recording booth in a
   matrix channel, using matrix-commander. It could be the HPR
   Confessional :p
 * Having a regular live session on Mumble. If we can get people to
   show up and talk for 24 hours on new year's eve, could it be
   possible to do it for 30 minutes a week? We could form a team that
   rotates staffing that recording session, and the focus would have to
   be on whoever turns up. That is, if someone comes to the recording,
   we start asking them about them, as if tricking them into their "How
   I got into tech" show. The hosts would also do their best to avoid
   inane chatter. :D
 * Consider making a show submission API, if there are members of the
   community who would be interested in building a show-submission app
   that aligns with the goal of getting contributors. I think this has
   been talked about before, in the context of the Linux In-Laws asking
   for it. I think it could be something that eases development of
   integrations, because if people want to develop an integration, they
   can do so more independently. Unfortunately I would have nothing to
   contribute on this front.
 * Re-runs: once a week, select a noteworthy episode from the archive,
   and repost it. There's a huge archive many of us don't know, and I
   have had a great time listening to some old shows some of the more
   venerable among us have mentioned in passing. We could form a small
   team to select shown for reposting, with people who are interested
   in randomly listening to old shows to pick one for the week's
   re-run. This could be called "throwback thursday". I would be happy
   to be part of this team.

Thanks for reading,

—dnt

On 5/29/23 04:51, Ken Fallon wrote:


I think it should be possible to keep "Ho No News", by changing the 
way the news sites are referenced. If you have a look at how 
ThreatWire by Shannon Morse 

Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Ken Fallon]

I think it should be possible to keep "Ho No News", by changing the way 
the news sites are referenced. If you have a look at how ThreatWire by 
Shannon Morse  does it, you can see how 
she navigates this issues. She paraphrases articles and keeps direct 
quotes to an absolute minimum.


I'm not sure how much additional work this would be, so another approach 
might be to quote sites that have a CC compatible license. Many 
government run sites required threats to be logged publicly using an 
open license.


If people could help out by tracking down some of these resources for 
SGOTI that would help.


--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


On 2023-05-27 23:57, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
I'm a strong believer in the value of licenses like Creative Commons, 
and I take them seriously. If there is no way to continue the Oh No 
news without violating the license, then as much as I love it, I would 
vote to stop it. Is there absolutely no way of continuing it without a 
license violation, though? Could a simple change in the show bring it 
into compliance. As far as I am aware, you cannot copyright facts, and 
much of what SGOTI does in this show is to state that such-and-such 
happened. Where I would think a problem would arise is in direct 
quoting of someone else's copyrighted material, and even that can be a 
gray area if the source is cited and only a little bit is quoted. So 
my preference would be to look into how SGOTI can continue his show 
while being in legal compliance. But if that is not possible, then I 
reluctantly come down on the side of license compliance.


Regards,


--
Kevin B. O'Brien
z wil...@zwilnik.com
http://about.me/zwilnik


  “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should
  be afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, /V for Vendetta/



On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:25 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:

Hi All,

Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is
something that we should not implement.

Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be
moving to the static site soon and it would be great to have the
queue full.

Ken.


On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote:


Hi All,

First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue
next week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also
dwindling. So please finish that show you were thinking of
submitting and send it in. If you don't care when it's released
please put "Use as Emergency show" in the show notes for now.

... hold music while you do that ...

I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the
shows are produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be
a bar camp style podcast and become one where the shows are
provided by a rotating team of "regulars".

Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a
different host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far
this year all but 4 of the submissions are from hosts who
submitted more than one show, a 3:1 ratio. Ahuka aside, the
majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who contribute
shows at the last minute to fill the vacant slots.

To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the
following Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more
than one show in a two week period.*" Of course these are
guidelines etc etc., but it should still allow prolific hosts to
submit shows while not masking the underlying issue that we have
yet to address.

Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have
not submitted shows this year to submit a show.

How do we solve this problem ?

-- 
Regards,


Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
ID
Host
Total

159 HPR Volunteers  12
198 Ahuka   9
391 Some Guy On The Internet8
318 Archer727
282 Mike Ray5
30  Ken Fallon  5
326 Brian in Ohio   5
36  operat0r3
365 Bookewyrmm  3
225 Dave Morriss3
401 Mechatroniac3
415 enistello   2
407 Celeste 2
268 Andrew Conway   2
152 Claudio Miranda 2
293 Rho`n   2
416 screwtape   2
342 norrist 2
238 Jon Kulp2
375 minnix  2
201 MrX 2
408 Stache_AF   1
383 Paul Quirk  1
209 David Whitman   1
377 Zen_Floater21




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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Kevin O'Brien]

Sorry, brain fart on my part, I was not responding to the correct issue
here.

I have followed the guideline of no more than one show every two weeks for
a few years now, and I think it is a good idea. And since the main issue is
that there are not enough shows coming in, it is hard for me to see it as a
binding constraint. If someone has a spurt of creativity and records three
shows in an afternoon, why is it bad to tell them to post one every two
weeks? I generally record a dozen or more shows over a few days, then
upload them in a mass uploading session. Of course, I am retired so this is
a hobby for me, but I kind of like the two week rule. As it is, I kind of
worry that one day I will see messages on the mailing list saying "When
will that guy shut up?" But thankfully that hasn't happened yet.

Regards,


-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien
z wil...@zwilnik.com
http://about.me/zwilnik
“People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be
afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, *V for Vendetta*


On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 5:57 PM Kevin O'Brien  wrote:

> I'm a strong believer in the value of licenses like Creative Commons, and
> I take them seriously. If there is no way to continue the Oh No news
> without violating the license, then as much as I love it, I would vote to
> stop it. Is there absolutely no way of continuing it without a license
> violation, though? Could a simple change in the show bring it into
> compliance. As far as I am aware, you cannot copyright facts, and much of
> what SGOTI does in this show is to state that such-and-such happened.
> Where I would think a problem would arise is in direct quoting of someone
> else's copyrighted material, and even that can be a gray area if the source
> is cited and only a little bit is quoted. So my preference would be to look
> into how SGOTI can continue his show while being in legal compliance. But
> if that is not possible, then I reluctantly come down on the side of
> license compliance.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --
> Kevin B. O'Brien
> z wil...@zwilnik.com
> http://about.me/zwilnik
> “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be
> afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, *V for Vendetta*
>
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:25 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is
>> something that we should not implement.
>>
>> Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be moving
>> to the static site soon and it would be great to have the queue full.
>>
>> Ken.
>>
>>
>> On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next
>> week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So
>> please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it in. If
>> you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency show" in the
>> show notes for now.
>>
>> ... hold music while you do that ...
>>
>> I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows are
>> produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp style
>> podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team of
>> "regulars".
>>
>> Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a different
>> host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this year all but 4
>> of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more than one show, a 3:1
>> ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who
>> contribute shows at the last minute to fill the vacant slots.
>>
>> To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the following
>> Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than one show in a
>> two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc etc., but it
>> should still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while not masking the
>> underlying issue that we have yet to address.
>>
>> Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not
>> submitted shows this year to submit a show.
>>
>> How do we solve this problem ?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken Fallon 
>> (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.comhttps://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
>>
>> ID
>> Host
>> Total
>>
>> 159 HPR Volunteers 12
>> 198 Ahuka 9
>> 391 Some Guy On The Internet 8
>> 318 Archer72 7
>> 282 Mike Ray 5
>> 30 Ken Fallon 5
>> 326 Brian in Ohio 5
>> 36 operat0r 3
>> 365 Bookewyrmm 3
>> 225 Dave Morriss 3
>> 401 Mechatroniac 3
>> 415 enistello 2
>> 407 Celeste 2
>> 268 Andrew Conway 2
>> 152 Claudio Miranda 2
>> 293 Rho`n 2
>> 416 screwtape 2
>> 342 norrist 2
>> 238 Jon Kulp 2
>> 375 minnix 2
>> 201 MrX 2
>> 408 Stache_AF 1
>> 383 Paul Quirk 1
>> 209 David Whitman 1
>> 377 Zen_Floater2 1
>>
>>
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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Kevin O'Brien]

I'm a strong believer in the value of licenses like Creative Commons, and I
take them seriously. If there is no way to continue the Oh No news without
violating the license, then as much as I love it, I would vote to stop it.
Is there absolutely no way of continuing it without a license violation,
though? Could a simple change in the show bring it into compliance. As far
as I am aware, you cannot copyright facts, and much of what SGOTI does in
this show is to state that such-and-such happened. Where I would think a
problem would arise is in direct quoting of someone else's copyrighted
material, and even that can be a gray area if the source is cited and only
a little bit is quoted. So my preference would be to look into how
SGOTI can continue his show while being in legal compliance. But if that is
not possible, then I reluctantly come down on the side of license
compliance.

Regards,


-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien
z wil...@zwilnik.com
http://about.me/zwilnik
“People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be
afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, *V for Vendetta*


On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:25 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is
> something that we should not implement.
>
> Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be moving to
> the static site soon and it would be great to have the queue full.
>
> Ken.
>
>
> On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next
> week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So
> please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it in. If
> you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency show" in the
> show notes for now.
>
> ... hold music while you do that ...
>
> I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows are
> produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp style
> podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team of
> "regulars".
>
> Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a different
> host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this year all but 4
> of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more than one show, a 3:1
> ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who
> contribute shows at the last minute to fill the vacant slots.
>
> To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the following
> Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than one show in a
> two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc etc., but it should
> still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while not masking the underlying
> issue that we have yet to address.
>
> Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not
> submitted shows this year to submit a show.
>
> How do we solve this problem ?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon 
> (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.comhttps://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
>
> ID
> Host
> Total
>
> 159 HPR Volunteers 12
> 198 Ahuka 9
> 391 Some Guy On The Internet 8
> 318 Archer72 7
> 282 Mike Ray 5
> 30 Ken Fallon 5
> 326 Brian in Ohio 5
> 36 operat0r 3
> 365 Bookewyrmm 3
> 225 Dave Morriss 3
> 401 Mechatroniac 3
> 415 enistello 2
> 407 Celeste 2
> 268 Andrew Conway 2
> 152 Claudio Miranda 2
> 293 Rho`n 2
> 416 screwtape 2
> 342 norrist 2
> 238 Jon Kulp 2
> 375 minnix 2
> 201 MrX 2
> 408 Stache_AF 1
> 383 Paul Quirk 1
> 209 David Whitman 1
> 377 Zen_Floater2 1
>
>
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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Jason Dodd]

My personal thoughts on the topic have turned into 'meh'.  While this is 
probably not technically right(not a good thing when discussing amongst 
hackers and aspiring hackers), but I think the more rules you put on 
people who want to contribute shows, the more you push people off from 
wanting to contribute.


But I do think HPR will get to the point it will either cease or some of 
those rules  or guidelines will have to go.



I think as new hosts become old hosts they will have a tendency, and I 
will have a tendency to consider them a show hosted on HPR. And I like 
that. I understand that goes against the policy and many people do not 
like that.  My point is I think that's counter to the goal of filling 
slots.  I haven't caught up on recent email but I'm half afraid to 
fearing there will be a thread about how "Oh No News" has to go.



On 5/27/23 08:25, Ken Fallon wrote:

Hi All,

Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is 
something that we should not implement.


Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be 
moving to the static site soon and it would be great to have the queue 
full.


Ken.


On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote:


Hi All,

First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next 
week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. 
So please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send 
it in. If you don't care when it's released please put "Use as 
Emergency show" in the show notes for now.


... hold music while you do that ...

I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows 
are produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp 
style podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a 
rotating team of "regulars".


Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a 
different host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this 
year all but 4 of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more 
than one show, a 3:1 ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result 
of kindhearted hosts who contribute shows at the last minute to fill 
the vacant slots.


To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the 
following Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than 
one show in a two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc 
etc., but it should still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while 
not masking the underlying issue that we have yet to address.


Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not 
submitted shows this year to submit a show.


How do we solve this problem ?

--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
ID
Host
Total

159 HPR Volunteers  12
198 Ahuka   9
391 Some Guy On The Internet8
318 Archer727
282 Mike Ray5
30  Ken Fallon  5
326 Brian in Ohio   5
36  operat0r3
365 Bookewyrmm  3
225 Dave Morriss3
401 Mechatroniac3
415 enistello   2
407 Celeste 2
268 Andrew Conway   2
152 Claudio Miranda 2
293 Rho`n   2
416 screwtape   2
342 norrist 2
238 Jon Kulp2
375 minnix  2
201 MrX 2
408 Stache_AF   1
383 Paul Quirk  1
209 David Whitman   1
377 Zen_Floater21





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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Ken Fallon]

Hi All,

Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is 
something that we should not implement.


Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be moving 
to the static site soon and it would be great to have the queue full.


Ken.


On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote:


Hi All,

First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next 
week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So 
please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it 
in. If you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency 
show" in the show notes for now.


... hold music while you do that ...

I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows 
are produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp 
style podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a 
rotating team of "regulars".


Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a 
different host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this 
year all but 4 of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more 
than one show, a 3:1 ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result 
of kindhearted hosts who contribute shows at the last minute to fill 
the vacant slots.


To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the 
following Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than 
one show in a two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc 
etc., but it should still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while 
not masking the underlying issue that we have yet to address.


Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not 
submitted shows this year to submit a show.


How do we solve this problem ?

--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
ID
Host
Total

159 HPR Volunteers  12
198 Ahuka   9
391 Some Guy On The Internet8
318 Archer727
282 Mike Ray5
30  Ken Fallon  5
326 Brian in Ohio   5
36  operat0r3
365 Bookewyrmm  3
225 Dave Morriss3
401 Mechatroniac3
415 enistello   2
407 Celeste 2
268 Andrew Conway   2
152 Claudio Miranda 2
293 Rho`n   2
416 screwtape   2
342 norrist 2
238 Jon Kulp2
375 minnix  2
201 MrX 2
408 Stache_AF   1
383 Paul Quirk  1
209 David Whitman   1
377 Zen_Floater21


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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Ken Fallon]

We still need more shows from people that have not posted this year.

What appears to be a "recording spree", is in fact people rushing to 
post something to the queue to urgently fill a vacant slot. This is 
undesirable for many reasons:


 * Chasing the queue leads to burnout. The stress of monitoring and
   filling upcoming empty slots eats into one's personal time. What was
   supposed to be a hobby becomes a chore.
 * We have already had comments that the quality of these shows suffer
   as a result.
 * Human nature results in people not posting a show when there are no
   free slots in the coming month, versus when there are slots
   available. Despite both queues containing the same number of shows.
 * People stopping listening to HPR because the feed is full of the one
   host that the listener doesn't like.
 * HPR is a community podcast. That means more people need to
   contribute. It should not be down to the few to keep the project going.

Moving shows around leads to confusion, dissatisfaction, and complaints. 
This is why the Janitors now always ask permission to move shows, which 
causes a delay in processing all the other shows. Given someone has  
already have gone to the effort of recording a show, I think it's 
reasonable to ask people to scroll down a bit before posting their next 
show.


For those hosts that genuinely don't care when their shows are released, 
then we can add an option to post to the "Don't care/Reserve/Emergency 
Show" queue so that vacant slots are filled from there. That way the 
hosts intentions is made clear from the outset, and the Janitors know 
where they stand.


We need to at least try this two week spacing for hosts because I think 
it will help balance the slow continuous trickle going out with the 
bursts of shows coming in, and will make the actual state of the queue 
more visible.


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On 2023-05-15 22:20, Klaatu wrote:

I agree with minnix. Fewer rules make for easier compliance for the content
creator.

If we want to maximize incoming content, we should take what we can, when we
can, whenever the content provider wants.

If that means we have a week of just one host on a recording spree, that's OK.
People control their own playlist. They can mix it up as they prefer.

If we want to reserve the right to move episodes around as *we* see fit, then
let's stop asking people to reserve episode numbers and just say that content
gets scheduled as the scheduler sees fit.

We get to make the rules. If people don't like how HPR operates, then they
don't have to submit shows. There are lots of places to post stuff on the
Internet. We're just one place. Let's make it easy for people to create
content for HPR (and easy for HPR to publish daily, which is its stated goal.)

On Monday, May 15, 2023 7:51:44 PM NZST Ken Fallon wrote:

Hi All,

Thanks to all who sent in shows, but we still need more shows. I am
specifically looking for contribution from people who do not have
2023-??-?? as their "Last Show" on this page
https://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php

---

The following is taken with permission from the HPR matrix room.
https://matrix.to/#/#hpr:matrix.org

 /From: minnix//
 //@Ken Fallon (PA7KEN, G5KEN): if the survival of HPR depends solely
 on new hosts, then you might as well fold the show. If the survival
 of the show depends on just getting shows period with a smattering
 of new hosts thrown in throughout the year, then it's good. If it
 were me I would encourage everyone, old and new hosts, to send in
 lots of shows. If you want the queue to be empty just to prove that
 HPR needs new hosts, I bet that's easily accomplished, but I don't
 see that changing the nature of reality, ie: it is what it is./

And my reply

 if the survival of HPR depends solely on new hosts, then you
 might as well fold the show.

 Well that was the position we had HPR in back in 2010, and while
 it's hard we managed to not miss a day since.

 If the survival of the show depends on just getting shows period
 with a smattering of new hosts thrown in throughout the year,
 then it's good.

 Yes this is a more realistic situation.

 If it were me I would encourage everyone, old and new hosts, to
 send in lots of shows.

 Excellent idea and thanks for volunteering ;-) One word of warning
 though is that some of the previous hosts do not like to be
 contacted. You may want to consider sending reminders on
 anniversaries, such as 5 years since the last show.

 If you want the queue to be empty just to prove that HPR needs
 new hosts, I bet that's easily accomplished, but I don't see
 that changing the nature of reality, ie: it is what it is.

 Well it's the difference between "@SGOTI and @Archer72 seem to be on
 a recording 

Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Klaatu]

I agree with minnix. Fewer rules make for easier compliance for the content 
creator.

If we want to maximize incoming content, we should take what we can, when we 
can, whenever the content provider wants.

If that means we have a week of just one host on a recording spree, that's OK. 
People control their own playlist. They can mix it up as they prefer. 

If we want to reserve the right to move episodes around as *we* see fit, then 
let's stop asking people to reserve episode numbers and just say that content 
gets scheduled as the scheduler sees fit.  

We get to make the rules. If people don't like how HPR operates, then they 
don't have to submit shows. There are lots of places to post stuff on the 
Internet. We're just one place. Let's make it easy for people to create 
content for HPR (and easy for HPR to publish daily, which is its stated goal.)

On Monday, May 15, 2023 7:51:44 PM NZST Ken Fallon wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Thanks to all who sent in shows, but we still need more shows. I am
> specifically looking for contribution from people who do not have
> 2023-??-?? as their "Last Show" on this page
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php
> 
> ---
> 
> The following is taken with permission from the HPR matrix room.
> https://matrix.to/#/#hpr:matrix.org
> 
> /From: minnix//
> //@Ken Fallon (PA7KEN, G5KEN): if the survival of HPR depends solely
> on new hosts, then you might as well fold the show. If the survival
> of the show depends on just getting shows period with a smattering
> of new hosts thrown in throughout the year, then it's good. If it
> were me I would encourage everyone, old and new hosts, to send in
> lots of shows. If you want the queue to be empty just to prove that
> HPR needs new hosts, I bet that's easily accomplished, but I don't
> see that changing the nature of reality, ie: it is what it is./
> 
> And my reply
> 
> if the survival of HPR depends solely on new hosts, then you
> might as well fold the show.
> 
> Well that was the position we had HPR in back in 2010, and while
> it's hard we managed to not miss a day since.
> 
> If the survival of the show depends on just getting shows period
> with a smattering of new hosts thrown in throughout the year,
> then it's good.
> 
> Yes this is a more realistic situation.
> 
> If it were me I would encourage everyone, old and new hosts, to
> send in lots of shows.
> 
> Excellent idea and thanks for volunteering ;-) One word of warning
> though is that some of the previous hosts do not like to be
> contacted. You may want to consider sending reminders on
> anniversaries, such as 5 years since the last show.
> 
> If you want the queue to be empty just to prove that HPR needs
> new hosts, I bet that's easily accomplished, but I don't see
> that changing the nature of reality, ie: it is what it is.
> 
> Well it's the difference between "@SGOTI and @Archer72 seem to be on
> a recording spree" and "What another Emergency Show. I need to send
> in some shows." Same reality but different effect.
> 
> The two week rule is intended to make queue management a easier, as
> it will tackle the feast and famine of the submissions.
> 
> Call for shows work, but there are problems with it.
> 
> First they only reach a tiny fraction of the community here and on
> the mailing list, which are probably the same people anyway. By
> filling the free slots with Emergency/Reserve shows, we
> automatically announce to the entire community that there were free
> slots not filled, and that we now need another Emergency/Reserve
> show to replace the one just posted.
> 
> Secondly the call for shows result in people going to the site to
> see what the situation now is. If one host fills all the slots with
> a series they have been working on, then the next person will see a
> filled queue and not bother submitting a show. Unfortunately that
> has happened on more than one occasion.
> 
> The two week rule, will spread out the slots which makes queue
> management a lot easier.
> 
> ---
> 
> This brings up the question, we have over 341 former hosts who have not
> contributed this year. Any ideas on how to get some of them active again ?
> 
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
> https://kenfallon.com
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
> 
> On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next
> > week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So
> > please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it
> > in. If you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency
> > show" in the show notes for now.
> > 
> > ... hold music while you do that ...
> > 
> > I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a 

Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Ken Fallon]

Hi All,

Thanks to all who sent in shows, but we still need more shows. I am 
specifically looking for contribution from people who do not have 
2023-??-?? as their "Last Show" on this page 
https://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php


---

The following is taken with permission from the HPR matrix room. 
https://matrix.to/#/#hpr:matrix.org


   /From: minnix//
   //@Ken Fallon (PA7KEN, G5KEN): if the survival of HPR depends solely
   on new hosts, then you might as well fold the show. If the survival
   of the show depends on just getting shows period with a smattering
   of new hosts thrown in throughout the year, then it's good. If it
   were me I would encourage everyone, old and new hosts, to send in
   lots of shows. If you want the queue to be empty just to prove that
   HPR needs new hosts, I bet that's easily accomplished, but I don't
   see that changing the nature of reality, ie: it is what it is./

And my reply

   if the survival of HPR depends solely on new hosts, then you
   might as well fold the show.

   Well that was the position we had HPR in back in 2010, and while
   it's hard we managed to not miss a day since.

   If the survival of the show depends on just getting shows period
   with a smattering of new hosts thrown in throughout the year,
   then it's good.

   Yes this is a more realistic situation.

   If it were me I would encourage everyone, old and new hosts, to
   send in lots of shows.

   Excellent idea and thanks for volunteering ;-) One word of warning
   though is that some of the previous hosts do not like to be
   contacted. You may want to consider sending reminders on
   anniversaries, such as 5 years since the last show.

   If you want the queue to be empty just to prove that HPR needs
   new hosts, I bet that's easily accomplished, but I don't see
   that changing the nature of reality, ie: it is what it is.

   Well it's the difference between "@SGOTI and @Archer72 seem to be on
   a recording spree" and "What another Emergency Show. I need to send
   in some shows." Same reality but different effect.

   The two week rule is intended to make queue management a easier, as
   it will tackle the feast and famine of the submissions.

   Call for shows work, but there are problems with it.

   First they only reach a tiny fraction of the community here and on
   the mailing list, which are probably the same people anyway. By
   filling the free slots with Emergency/Reserve shows, we
   automatically announce to the entire community that there were free
   slots not filled, and that we now need another Emergency/Reserve
   show to replace the one just posted.

   Secondly the call for shows result in people going to the site to
   see what the situation now is. If one host fills all the slots with
   a series they have been working on, then the next person will see a
   filled queue and not bother submitting a show. Unfortunately that
   has happened on more than one occasion.

   The two week rule, will spread out the slots which makes queue
   management a lot easier.

---

This brings up the question, we have over 341 former hosts who have not 
contributed this year. Any ideas on how to get some of them active again ?


--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote:


Hi All,

First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next 
week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So 
please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it 
in. If you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency 
show" in the show notes for now.


... hold music while you do that ...

I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows 
are produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp 
style podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a 
rotating team of "regulars".


Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a 
different host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this 
year all but 4 of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more 
than one show, a 3:1 ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result 
of kindhearted hosts who contribute shows at the last minute to fill 
the vacant slots.


To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the 
following Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than 
one show in a two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc 
etc., but it should still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while 
not masking the underlying issue that we have yet to address.


Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not 
submitted shows this year to submit a show.


How do we solve this problem ?

--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
ID
Host
  

Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Andrew Conway]

Hi Ken et al

I have a show that just needs an edit so I will do that now.

I already understood from somewhere that more than one show per fornight
was frowned upon. Don't recall from where exactly. So that guideline is
fine by me.

One suggestion for increasing diversity: invites someone you know to do a
show with you. I'm sure we all know folk who have interesting things to say
but who are not yet on HPR. We can then point out to the guest how easy it
is do record and submit a show :)

Also, we can spice things up a bit by doing shows with a co-host from
amongst our own ranks. If there are N hosts there are many more than N
co-hosting pairs. In fact, it is N choose 2 which can be expressed
mathematically as follows... I'll do a show, in >2 weeks time.

Andrew/mcnalu



On Fri, 12 May 2023, 10:15 Ken Fallon,  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next
> week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So
> please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it in. If
> you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency show" in the
> show notes for now.
>
> ... hold music while you do that ...
>
> I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows are
> produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp style
> podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team of
> "regulars".
>
> Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a different
> host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this year all but 4
> of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more than one show, a 3:1
> ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who
> contribute shows at the last minute to fill the vacant slots.
>
> To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the following
> Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than one show in a
> two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc etc., but it should
> still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while not masking the underlying
> issue that we have yet to address.
>
> Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not
> submitted shows this year to submit a show.
>
> How do we solve this problem ?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon 
> (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.comhttps://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
>
> ID
> Host
> Total
>
> 159 HPR Volunteers 12
> 198 Ahuka 9
> 391 Some Guy On The Internet 8
> 318 Archer72 7
> 282 Mike Ray 5
> 30 Ken Fallon 5
> 326 Brian in Ohio 5
> 36 operat0r 3
> 365 Bookewyrmm 3
> 225 Dave Morriss 3
> 401 Mechatroniac 3
> 415 enistello 2
> 407 Celeste 2
> 268 Andrew Conway 2
> 152 Claudio Miranda 2
> 293 Rho`n 2
> 416 screwtape 2
> 342 norrist 2
> 238 Jon Kulp 2
> 375 minnix 2
> 201 MrX 2
> 408 Stache_AF 1
> 383 Paul Quirk 1
> 209 David Whitman 1
> 377 Zen_Floater2 1
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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Nigel Verity]

Hi Ken

I am one of the many occasional contributors who is always (and genuinely) 
"just about" to put a show together. Slapped wrist accepted, will do better.

We are very fortunate that the prolific hosts generally put out such excellent, 
well-presented shows.

Could there, perhaps, be some mileage in contacting all the top Linux and more 
general IT podcasts to put out an invitation for their listeners, or even the 
hosts themselves, to contribute. There are some extremely knowledgeable people 
amongst those presenters, so it's probably safe to assume that this will be 
reflected to some extent in their audiences.

Cheers

Nige (hpr Beeza)

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From: Hpr  on behalf of Ken Fallon 

Sent: 12 May 2023 10:14
To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org 
Subject: [Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio


Hi All,

First , we need shows immediately as there is an empty queue next week, and the 
number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So please finish that 
show you were thinking of submitting and send it in. If you don't care when 
it's released please put "Use as Emergency show" in the show notes for now.

... hold music while you do that ...

I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows are 
produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp style podcast 
and become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team of "regulars".

Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a different host, 
giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this year all but 4 of the 
submissions are from hosts who submitted more than one show, a 3:1 ratio. Ahuka 
aside, the majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who contribute shows 
at the last minute to fill the vacant slots.

To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the following 
Scheduling Guideline "No host should submit any more than one show in a two 
week period." Of course these are guidelines etc etc., but it should still 
allow prolific hosts to submit shows while not masking the underlying issue 
that we have yet to address.

Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not submitted 
shows this year to submit a show.

How do we solve this problem ?

--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon

ID
Host
Total

159 HPR Volunteers  12
198 Ahuka   9
391 Some Guy On The Internet8
318 Archer727
282 Mike Ray5
30  Ken Fallon  5
326 Brian in Ohio   5
36  operat0r3
365 Bookewyrmm  3
225 Dave Morriss3
401 Mechatroniac3
415 enistello   2
407 Celeste 2
268 Andrew Conway   2
152 Claudio Miranda 2
293 Rho`n   2
416 screwtape   2
342 norrist 2
238 Jon Kulp2
375 minnix  2
201 MrX 2
408 Stache_AF   1
383 Paul Quirk  1
209 David Whitman   1
377 Zen_Floater21

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[Hpr] Policy Change, Call to action for Host to Show ratio

[Ken Fallon]

Hi All,

First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue next 
week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also dwindling. So 
please finish that show you were thinking of submitting and send it in. 
If you don't care when it's released please put "Use as Emergency show" 
in the show notes for now.


... hold music while you do that ...

I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the shows are 
produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be a bar camp style 
podcast and become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team 
of "regulars".


Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a 
different host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far this 
year all but 4 of the submissions are from hosts who submitted more than 
one show, a 3:1 ratio. Ahuka aside, the majority are as a result of 
kindhearted hosts who contribute shows at the last minute to fill the 
vacant slots.


To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the 
following Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more than one 
show in a two week period.*" Of course these are guidelines etc etc., 
but it should still allow prolific hosts to submit shows while not 
masking the underlying issue that we have yet to address.


Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not 
submitted shows this year to submit a show.


How do we solve this problem ?

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Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon

ID
Host
Total

159 HPR Volunteers  12
198 Ahuka   9
391 Some Guy On The Internet8
318 Archer727
282 Mike Ray5
30  Ken Fallon  5
326 Brian in Ohio   5
36  operat0r3
365 Bookewyrmm  3
225 Dave Morriss3
401 Mechatroniac3
415 enistello   2
407 Celeste 2
268 Andrew Conway   2
152 Claudio Miranda 2
293 Rho`n   2
416 screwtape   2
342 norrist 2
238 Jon Kulp2
375 minnix  2
201 MrX 2
408 Stache_AF   1
383 Paul Quirk  1
209 David Whitman   1
377 Zen_Floater21

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