Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-09 Thread Claudio Miranda 
Hey all,

Throwing in my vote for this change. Definitely will be for the better and
provide protection as well as making sure the content remains freely
accessible.

-Claudio

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:32 PM Ken Fallon  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default any
> work is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'.
> We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU Free
> Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and anything under a
> FLOSS software license.
>
> We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a "fair
> use" clause.
>
> We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has
> explicit permission to submit the show. We have never had a show submitted
> under this clause.
>
> I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that would
> give us permission to host it it causes problems for our listeners.
>
> Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative Commons
> they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If we play
> content that is not Creative Commons then they do.
>
> It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have without
> knowing the exact permission attached to that individual show, and been
> able to interpret what it would mean to them if they reused it.
>
> This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our feed
> Creative Commons but the individual show would not be.
>
> To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed, and
> make it so that you would only get these special shows if you explicitly
> opt in for them. I don't see how this would benefit anyone as no one would
> be subscribed to this feed.
>
> Proposed Change:
> Removal of:
> < If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by
> arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload
> your show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR
> content can filter your show out.
> ---
> Replace with:
> > If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons license, GNU
> Free Documentation License, public domain, or FLOSS software license, then
> please signal that when you upload your show. We do not post other
> copyrighted content, even if it is made available under fair use, or by
> arranged permission.
>
>
>
> [1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#license
> [2]
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html
> [3] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission
> [4] https://www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence
>
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> Regards,
>
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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-09 Thread Christoph Zimmermann 
Aye, given the fact that each and every show carries its explicit copyright notice even if 
submitted under the default license.


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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-08 Thread x1101 
On Wed, 08 Dec 2021 23:26:57 +
Klaatu  wrote:

I, too, am in favo(u)r of this change.

> I'm in favour. Keep it simple,  keep it open.
>
> On 8 December 2021 5:30:46 PM UTC, Ken Fallon  wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default
> >any work is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'.
> >
> >We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU
> >Free Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and
> >anything under a FLOSS software license.
> >
> >We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a
> >"fair use" clause.
> >
> >We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has
> >explicit permission to submit the show. We have never had a show
> >submitted under this clause.
> >
> >I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that
> >would give us permission to host it it causes problems for our
> >listeners.
> >
> >Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative
> >Commons they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If
> >we play content that is not Creative Commons then they do.
> >
> >It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have
> >without knowing the exact permission attached to that individual
> >show, and been able to interpret what it would mean to them if they
> >reused it.
> >
> >This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our
> >feed Creative Commons but the individual show would not be.
> >
> >To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed,
> >and make it so that you would only get these special shows if you
> >explicitly opt in for them. I don't see how this would benefit
> >anyone as no one would be subscribed to this feed.
> >
> >Proposed Change:
> >
> >Removal of:
> >< If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License
> >or by arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when
> >you upload your show. We can then signal that, so that others who
> >redistribute HPR content can filter your show out.
> >---
> >Replace with:
> >> If you are redistributing under  another Creative Commons license,
> >> GNU Free Documentation License,
> >public domain, or FLOSS software license, then please signal that
> >when you upload your show. We do not post other copyrighted content,
> >even if it is made available under fair use, or by arranged
> >permission.
> >
> >
> >
> >[1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#license
> >[2]
> >http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html
> >[3]
> >http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission
> >[4] https://www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence
> >
>

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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-08 Thread sp0rus 
Definitely sounds like the right thing to do to avoid potential future
issues.

I'm having a hard time thinking of any downsides, and I tend to be the
person to pick apart proposals at work.

sp0rus

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021, 6:16 PM Andrew Conway  wrote:

> I too am in favour - a straightforward policy (but I confess I'm now
> thinking of quickly submitting a "by arranged permission" show only because
> Roan put that idea in my head).
>
> Andrew
>
> On Wed, 8 Dec 2021, 21:32 Roan Horning,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/21 12:30, Ken Fallon wrote:
>> d.
>> >
>> > Proposed Change:
>> >
>> > Removal of:
>> > < If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or
>> by arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload
>> your show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR
>> content can filter your show out.
>> > ---
>> > Replace with:
>> >> If you are redistributing under  another Creative Commons license, GNU
>> Free Documentation License, public domain, or FLOSS software license, then
>> please signal that when you upload your show. We do not post other
>> copyrighted content, even if it is made available under fair use, or by
>> arranged permission.
>> >
>> I am for it. Best to do it now, before someone does submit a show "by
>> arranged permission".
>>
>> --Rho`n
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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-08 Thread Andrew Conway 
I too am in favour - a straightforward policy (but I confess I'm now
thinking of quickly submitting a "by arranged permission" show only because
Roan put that idea in my head).

Andrew

On Wed, 8 Dec 2021, 21:32 Roan Horning,  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/8/21 12:30, Ken Fallon wrote:
> d.
> >
> > Proposed Change:
> >
> > Removal of:
> > < If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by
> arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload
> your show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR
> content can filter your show out.
> > ---
> > Replace with:
> >> If you are redistributing under  another Creative Commons license, GNU
> Free Documentation License, public domain, or FLOSS software license, then
> please signal that when you upload your show. We do not post other
> copyrighted content, even if it is made available under fair use, or by
> arranged permission.
> >
> I am for it. Best to do it now, before someone does submit a show "by
> arranged permission".
>
> --Rho`n
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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-08 Thread Klaatu 
I'm in favour. Keep it simple,  keep it open. 

On 8 December 2021 5:30:46 PM UTC, Ken Fallon  wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default any 
>work is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'.
>
>We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU Free 
>Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and anything under 
>a FLOSS software license.
>
>We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a "fair 
>use" clause.
>
>We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has 
>explicit permission to submit the show. We have never had a show 
>submitted under this clause.
>
>I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that would 
>give us permission to host it it causes problems for our listeners.
>
>Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative 
>Commons they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If we 
>play content that is not Creative Commons then they do.
>
>It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have without 
>knowing the exact permission attached to that individual show, and been 
>able to interpret what it would mean to them if they reused it.
>
>This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our feed 
>Creative Commons but the individual show would not be.
>
>To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed, and 
>make it so that you would only get these special shows if you explicitly 
>opt in for them. I don't see how this would benefit anyone as no one 
>would be subscribed to this feed.
>
>Proposed Change:
>
>Removal of:
>< If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by 
>arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload 
>your show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR 
>content can filter your show out.
>---
>Replace with:
>> If you are redistributing under  another Creative Commons license, GNU Free 
>> Documentation License, 
>public domain, or FLOSS software license, then please signal that when 
>you upload your show. We do not post other copyrighted content, even if 
>it is made available under fair use, or by arranged permission.
>
>
>
>[1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#license
>[2] 
>http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html
>[3] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission
>[4] https://www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence
>

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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-08 Thread Roan Horning 




On 12/8/21 12:30, Ken Fallon wrote:
d.


Proposed Change:

Removal of:
< If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by 
arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload your 
show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR content can 
filter your show out.
---
Replace with:

If you are redistributing under  another Creative Commons license, GNU Free 
Documentation License, public domain, or FLOSS software license, then please 
signal that when you upload your show. We do not post other copyrighted 
content, even if it is made available under fair use, or by arranged permission.



I am for it. Best to do it now, before someone does submit a show "by arranged 
permission".

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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-08 Thread Kevin O'Brien 
I'm in favor. I've used Creative Commons for all my content for years.

Regards,


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On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:30 PM Ken Fallon  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default any work 
> is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'.
>
> We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU Free 
> Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and anything under a 
> FLOSS software license.
>
> We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a "fair use" 
> clause.
>
> We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has explicit 
> permission to submit the show. We have never had a show submitted under this 
> clause.
>
> I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that would give 
> us permission to host it it causes problems for our listeners.
>
> Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative Commons 
> they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If we play content 
> that is not Creative Commons then they do.
>
> It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have without 
> knowing the exact permission attached to that individual show, and been able 
> to interpret what it would mean to them if they reused it.
>
> This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our feed 
> Creative Commons but the individual show would not be.
>
> To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed, and make 
> it so that you would only get these special shows if you explicitly opt in 
> for them. I don't see how this would benefit anyone as no one would be 
> subscribed to this feed.
>
> Proposed Change:
>
> Removal of:
> < If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by 
> arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload your 
> show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR content 
> can filter your show out.
> ---
> Replace with:
> > If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons license, GNU Free 
> > Documentation License, public domain, or FLOSS software license, then 
> > please signal that when you upload your show. We do not post other 
> > copyrighted content, even if it is made available under fair use, or by 
> > arranged permission.
>
>
>
> [1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#license
> [2] 
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html
> [3] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission
> [4] https://www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
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Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-08 Thread James T 
Sounds good. and avoids a legal challenge.

"Ken Fallon" k...@fallon.ie – December 8, 2021 12:32 PM
> Hi All,
> We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default any work 
> is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'.
>
> We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU Free 
> Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and anything under a 
> FLOSS software license.
> We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a "fair use" 
> clause.
>
> We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has explicit 
> permission to submit the show. We have never had a show submitted under this 
> clause.
> I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that would give 
> us permission to host it it causes problems for our listeners.
>
> Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative Commons 
> they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If we play content 
> that is not Creative Commons then they do.
>
> It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have without 
> knowing the exact permission attached to that individual show, and been able 
> to interpret what it would mean to them if they reused it.
>
> This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our feed 
> Creative Commons but the individual show would not be.
> To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed, and make 
> it so that you would only get these special shows if you explicitly opt in 
> for them. I don't see how this would benefit anyone as no one would be 
> subscribed to this feed.
> Proposed Change:
> Removal of:
> < If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by 
> arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload your 
> show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR content 
> can filter your show out.
> ---
> Replace with:
> > If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons license, GNU Free 
> > Documentation License, public domain, or FLOSS software license, then 
> > please signal that when you upload your show. We do not post other 
> > copyrighted content, even if it is made available under fair use, or by 
> > arranged permission.
>
>
> [1] hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php[2] 
> hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html[3]
>  hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php
> [4] www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
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[Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when posting to HPR

2021-12-08 Thread Ken Fallon 

Hi All,

We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default any 
work is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'.


We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU Free 
Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and anything under 
a FLOSS software license.


We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a "fair 
use" clause.


We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has 
explicit permission to submit the show. We have never had a show 
submitted under this clause.


I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that would 
give us permission to host it it causes problems for our listeners.


Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative 
Commons they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If we 
play content that is not Creative Commons then they do.


It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have without 
knowing the exact permission attached to that individual show, and been 
able to interpret what it would mean to them if they reused it.


This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our feed 
Creative Commons but the individual show would not be.


To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed, and 
make it so that you would only get these special shows if you explicitly 
opt in for them. I don't see how this would benefit anyone as no one 
would be subscribed to this feed.


Proposed Change:

Removal of:
< If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by 
arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload 
your show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR 
content can filter your show out.

---
Replace with:
If you are redistributing under  another Creative Commons license, GNU Free Documentation License, 
public domain, or FLOSS software license, then please signal that when 
you upload your show. We do not post other copyrighted content, even if 
it is made available under fair use, or by arranged permission.




[1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#license
[2] 
http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html

[3] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission
[4] https://www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence

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