Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Jannik Pruitt via Hpr]

Agreed Andrew to simple.
How do we submit shows to the emergency que?  No link on the website.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 16:12 Andrew Conway,  wrote:

> And fine by me.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 14:30 Mike Ray,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> +1 from me. Good call, and don't feed the trolls.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/06/2022 14:26, Claudio Miranda wrote:
>> > I also approve of this change.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > -Claudio
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 3:30 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi All,
>> >>
>> >> This policy change relates to shows that have been published but which
>> may
>> >> contain problem content.
>> >>
>> >> For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that we
>> >> continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint then the
>> >> Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host be
>> unavailable,
>> >> uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can either move the show
>> to
>> >> the backup queue, or hide it depending on the severity of the
>> complaint. In
>> >> all cases we'll keep the special advisory committee aka the auditor
>> team of
>> >> volunteers in the loop to make sure all is above board. The community
>> can
>> >> then decide on the best course of action.
>> >> https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615
>> >>
>> >> I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.
>> >>
>> >> Both relate to
>> >> https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated
>> >>
>> >> Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of
>> the
>> >> audio you submit, we trust you to do that."
>> >>
>> >> Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of
>> the
>> >> audio you submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will harm
>> HPR."
>> >>
>> >> Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be
>> >> unlisted until such a time as the situation can be resolved."
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.comhttps://
>> hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
>> >>
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>>
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[Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Thaj A. Sara]

I approve of the changes
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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Jason Dodd]

I approve.

On 6/10/22 03:29, Ken Fallon wrote:


Hi All,

This policy change relates to shows that have been published but which 
may contain problem content.


For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that we 
continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint then the 
Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host be 
unavailable, uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can either 
move the show to the backup queue, or hide it depending on the 
severity of the complaint. In all cases we'll keep the special 
advisory committee aka the auditor team of volunteers in the loop to 
make sure all is above board. The community can then decide on the 
best course of action. https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615


I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.

Both relate to 
https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated 



Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of 
the audio you submit, we trust you to do that."


Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of 
the audio you submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will 
harm HPR."


Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be 
unlisted until such a time as the situation can be resolved."


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Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Todd]

+1 Approve

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:30 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This policy change relates to shows that have been published but which may
> contain problem content.
>
> For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that we
> continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint then the
> Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host be unavailable,
> uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can either move the show to
> the backup queue, or hide it depending on the severity of the complaint. In
> all cases we'll keep the special advisory committee aka the auditor team of
> volunteers in the loop to make sure all is above board. The community can
> then decide on the best course of action.
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615
>
> I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.
>
> Both relate to
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated
>
> Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the
> audio you submit, we trust you to do that."
>
> Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the
> audio you submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will harm HPR."
>
> Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be
> unlisted until such a time as the situation can be resolved."
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon 
> (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.comhttps://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Brian K Navarette]

I agree with the changes
brian-in-ohio
On 6/10/22, Carl D Hamann  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 1:21 PM Ken Fallon  wrote:
>
>> I would prefer to but specifying it as "harm" can cover any complaint.
>>
>
> I agree with keeping it generic to start--trying to indicate the intent
> rather than an enumerated list that could grow bryonically.
>
> Tentatively hopeful,
> - Laindir
>
>>
>

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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Carl D Hamann]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 1:21 PM Ken Fallon  wrote:

> I would prefer to but specifying it as "harm" can cover any complaint.
>

I agree with keeping it generic to start--trying to indicate the intent
rather than an enumerated list that could grow bryonically.

Tentatively hopeful,
- Laindir

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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Ken Fallon]

On 2022-06-10 18:52, dnt via Hpr wrote:

Could it make sense to specify what it means to harm HPR?


I would prefer to but specifying it as "harm" can cover any complaint. 
Have a listen the the first part of hpr3615 
 (or read the transcript)


/So what attack vector will be used next, and how will we deal with it ?/

//

/I have no idea, but how to deal with it is also not so easy. We'll have 
to cross that bridge when we come to it./




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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[dnt via Hpr]

Could it make sense to specify what it means to harm HPR?

For example, in this case, that would be:

- material that threatens HPR's hosting relationships
- material that exposes HPR volunteers to legal liability

I think this covers the majority of issues that could come up. Is there
anything else?

-dnt

On 6/10/22 02:29, Ken Fallon wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This policy change relates to shows that have been published but which
> may contain problem content.
>
> For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that we
> continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint then the
> Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host be
> unavailable, uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can either
> move the show to the backup queue, or hide it depending on the severity
> of the complaint. In all cases we'll keep the special advisory committee
> aka the auditor team of volunteers in the loop to make sure all is above
> board. The community can then decide on the best course of action.
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615
>
> I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.
>
> Both relate to
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated
> 
>
> Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of
> the audio you submit, we trust you to do that."
>
> Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the
> audio you submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will harm HPR."
>
> Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be
> unlisted until such a time as the situation can be resolved."
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
> https://kenfallon.com
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
>


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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Dave Lee (HPR)]

I wholeheartedly support this.

... and the use of the split infinitive.

Dave



 via Newton Mail On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 8:30am, Ken Fallon  wrote:
  


  
  
Hi All,
This policy change relates to shows that have been published but
  which may contain problem content. 

For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that
  we continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint
  then the Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host
  be unavailable, uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can
  either move the show to the backup queue, or hide it depending on
  the severity of the complaint. In all cases we'll keep the special
  advisory committee aka the auditor team of volunteers in the loop
  to make sure all is above board. The community can then decide on
  the best course of action.
  https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615
I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.
Both relate to https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated
Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor
  any of the audio you submit, we trust you to
do that."
Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any
  of the audio you submit, we trust you not
to upload anything that will harm HPR."
Add the line: "Any material that is
reported as harming HPR may be unlisted until such a time as the
situation can be resolved."
-- 
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
  

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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Roan Horning]

On 6/10/22 03:29, Ken Fallon wrote:



I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.

Both relate to https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated 


Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the audio you 
submit, we trust you to do that."

Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the audio you 
submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will harm HPR."

Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be unlisted until 
such a time as the situation can be resolved."


I approve of these changes. --Rho`n

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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Andrew Conway]

And fine by me.

Andrew

On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 14:30 Mike Ray,  wrote:

>
>
> +1 from me. Good call, and don't feed the trolls.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/06/2022 14:26, Claudio Miranda wrote:
> > I also approve of this change.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Claudio
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 3:30 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> This policy change relates to shows that have been published but which
> may
> >> contain problem content.
> >>
> >> For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that we
> >> continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint then the
> >> Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host be
> unavailable,
> >> uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can either move the show
> to
> >> the backup queue, or hide it depending on the severity of the
> complaint. In
> >> all cases we'll keep the special advisory committee aka the auditor
> team of
> >> volunteers in the loop to make sure all is above board. The community
> can
> >> then decide on the best course of action.
> >> https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615
> >>
> >> I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.
> >>
> >> Both relate to
> >> https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated
> >>
> >> Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of
> the
> >> audio you submit, we trust you to do that."
> >>
> >> Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the
> >> audio you submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will harm
> HPR."
> >>
> >> Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be
> >> unlisted until such a time as the situation can be resolved."
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.comhttps://
> hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
> >>
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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Mike Ray]

+1 from me. Good call, and don't feed the trolls.




On 10/06/2022 14:26, Claudio Miranda wrote:

I also approve of this change.

Thanks,

-Claudio

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 3:30 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:


Hi All,

This policy change relates to shows that have been published but which may
contain problem content.

For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that we
continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint then the
Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host be unavailable,
uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can either move the show to
the backup queue, or hide it depending on the severity of the complaint. In
all cases we'll keep the special advisory committee aka the auditor team of
volunteers in the loop to make sure all is above board. The community can
then decide on the best course of action.
https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615

I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.

Both relate to
https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated

Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the
audio you submit, we trust you to do that."

Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the
audio you submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will harm HPR."

Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be
unlisted until such a time as the situation can be resolved."

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Ken Fallon 
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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Claudio Miranda]

I also approve of this change.

Thanks,

-Claudio

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 3:30 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This policy change relates to shows that have been published but which may
> contain problem content.
>
> For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that we
> continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint then the
> Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host be unavailable,
> uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can either move the show to
> the backup queue, or hide it depending on the severity of the complaint. In
> all cases we'll keep the special advisory committee aka the auditor team of
> volunteers in the loop to make sure all is above board. The community can
> then decide on the best course of action.
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615
>
> I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.
>
> Both relate to
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated
>
> Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the
> audio you submit, we trust you to do that."
>
> Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the
> audio you submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will harm HPR."
>
> Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be
> unlisted until such a time as the situation can be resolved."
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon 
> (PA7KEN,G5KEN)https://kenfallon.comhttps://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Kevin O'Brien]

I'm OK with this.
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 3:29 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> This policy change relates to shows that have been published but which may 
> contain problem content.
>
> For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that we continue 
> to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint then the Janitors will 
> contact the host as normal. Should the host be unavailable, uncooperative, or 
> disagree, then the Janitors can either move the show to the backup queue, or 
> hide it depending on the severity of the complaint. In all cases we'll keep 
> the special advisory committee aka the auditor team of volunteers in the loop 
> to make sure all is above board. The community can then decide on the best 
> course of action. https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615
>
> I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.
>
> Both relate to 
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated
>
> Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the 
> audio you submit, we trust you to do that."
>
> Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the 
> audio you submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will harm HPR."
>
> Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be unlisted 
> until such a time as the situation can be resolved."
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
> https://kenfallon.com
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
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Re: [Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[x1101]

I emphatically approve. It makes it clear what the intention is (self preservation, not moderation), and what the response will be. /x1101On Jun 10, 2022 03:29, Ken Fallon  wrote:
Hi All,
This policy change relates to shows that have been published but
  which may contain problem content. 

For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that
  we continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint
  then the Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host
  be unavailable, uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can
  either move the show to the backup queue, or hide it depending on
  the severity of the complaint. In all cases we'll keep the special
  advisory committee aka the auditor team of volunteers in the loop
  to make sure all is above board. The community can then decide on
  the best course of action.
  https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615
I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.
Both relate to https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated
Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor
  any of the audio you submit, we trust you to
do that."
Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any
  of the audio you submit, we trust you not
to upload anything that will harm HPR."
Add the line: "Any material that is
reported as harming HPR may be unlisted until such a time as the
situation can be resolved."
-- 
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Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
  
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[Hpr] Policy change: Show complaints procedure

[Ken Fallon]

Hi All,

This policy change relates to shows that have been published but which 
may contain problem content.


For more information listen to today's show, where I suggest that we 
continue to post the shows as normal, if we get a complaint then the 
Janitors will contact the host as normal. Should the host be 
unavailable, uncooperative, or disagree, then the Janitors can either 
move the show to the backup queue, or hide it depending on the severity 
of the complaint. In all cases we'll keep the special advisory committee 
aka the auditor team of volunteers in the loop to make sure all is above 
board. The community can then decide on the best course of action. 
https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3615


I would like to propose the following changes to our policies.

Both relate to 
https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated 



Currently: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of 
the audio you submit, we trust you to do that."


Proposed: "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the 
audio you submit, we trust you not to upload anything that will harm HPR."


Add the line: "Any material that is reported as harming HPR may be 
unlisted until such a time as the situation can be resolved."


--
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Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
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