Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-12-01 Thread Gnome Nomad
kfj wrote: On 19 Nov., 08:44, Gnome Nomad gnomeno...@gmail.com wrote: After trying many times to level a handheld beach pano using horizontal lines, here's what I did that finally succeeded: 1. Set up horizontal lines from the first frame to each of the other photos, connecting the left edge

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-11-22 Thread Rogier Wolff
Bruno, It cannot possibly be the case that I'm right and you're wrong. You know much more about this than I do. So please tell me where my understanding is wrong. On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:59:46PM +, Bruno Postle wrote: On Mon 21-Nov-2011 at 13:56 -0800, JohnPW wrote: Please clarify this

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-11-22 Thread Bruno Postle
On 22 Nov 2011 08:15, Rogier Wolff rew-googlegro...@bitwizard.nl wrote: I thought that for a horizontal controlpoint pair, the lattitude simply doesn't count. So all that the optimization step cares about is the that they line up horizontally. Similarly for the vertical control lines. There

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-11-22 Thread Rogier Wolff
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:46:01AM +, Bruno Postle wrote: On 22 Nov 2011 08:15, Rogier Wolff rew-googlegro...@bitwizard.nl wrote: I thought that for a horizontal controlpoint pair, the lattitude simply doesn't count. So all that the optimization step cares about is the that they line

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-11-22 Thread Bruno Postle
On Tue 22-Nov-2011 at 14:00 +0100, Rogier Wolff wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:46:01AM +, Bruno Postle wrote: Nope, the horizontal and vertical points are evaluated in the output canvas, so the output projection is critical. This is much simpler conceptually, as far as the optimiser is

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-11-21 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:59:46 +, Bruno Postle wrote: On Mon 21-Nov-2011 at 13:56 -0800, JohnPW wrote: Please clarify this for me as I want to make sure I understand (and it may be helpful to other newer Panorama makers like myself.) These are my assumptions: 1.) Only the actual horizon should

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-11-21 Thread Bruno Postle
On Mon 21-Nov-2011 at 18:37 -0500, Robert Krawitz wrote: On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:59:46 +, Bruno Postle wrote: 1.) Only the actual horizon should be assigned as a horizontal line (unless you just want some line, or the average of some lines, to be straight and at the horizontal center

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-11-18 Thread Gnome Nomad
Erik Krause wrote: Am 08.04.2011 10:43, schrieb Yclept Nemo: By the way, whats the difference between vertical control point lines and horizontal control point lines? - http://wiki.panotools.org/Horizontal_control_points - http://wiki.panotools.org/Vertical_control_points -

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-13 Thread paul womack
Erik Krause wrote: Am 12.04.2011 10:41, schrieb paul womack: Horizontal lines and vertical lines can have only one pair each. Ah - hah. So for a multi-point horizon I should make a straight line which happens to be horizontal? No, just use multiple pairs of horizontal control points. You

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-13 Thread Jim Watters
On 2011-04-12 11:34 PM, Yclept Nemo wrote: Is it possible to create a rectilinear panorama from images such that the output image plane does not appear to lean forwards or backwards, but flat? Add several vertical line control points and optimize ypr of all images except the yaw of one center

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-13 Thread Yclept Nemo
Btw, this is an awesome image! Yeah, isn't it! I pulled it off the hugin flickriver stream. Ok, I have an HDR EXR image that was successfully and completely written to by Hugin but which is still broken... it's 10MB if anyone wants it. I also posted a smaller PNG version at

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-13 Thread Yclept Nemo
Add several vertical line control points and optimize ypr of all images except the yaw of one center image. The horizon should end up going through the center of the pano. The pano can then be cropped to show just the image. That is what I did ... I guess because the picture was literally

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-13 Thread paul womack
Yclept Nemo wrote: Is it possible to create a rectilinear panorama from images (shot from one location) ranging (tip-to-tip) 67 degrees horizontally and 50 degrees vertically such that the output image plane does not appear to lean forwards or backwards, but flat as in

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-12 Thread paul womack
Erik Krause wrote: Am 11.04.2011 10:48, schrieb paul womack: If I understand you right, a line control can have more than two points associated with it. Only straight lines can have more than two points. They are designated by the same t-number (2). Hugin allows for this, just select the

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-12 Thread Yclept Nemo
Ah - hah. So for a multi-point horizon I should make a straight line which happens to be horizontal? I found vertical lines work better than straight lines which happen to be vertical. The images between the horizontal/vertical lines should be oriented by overlapping normal control points, imo.

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-12 Thread Yclept Nemo
I should probably start a new thread for this, but whatever... Hugin HDR panorama output (2010.4.0) is broken. Whether outputting the final output as EXR or TIFF, the intermediate stacks are in the EXR format. For example, ProjectName_stack_hdr_[[:digit:]]{4}.exr. These intermediate stacks are

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-12 Thread Yclept Nemo
I mean to ask, is this known? Is there a workaround? I see no new versions of enblend... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at:

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-12 Thread Yclept Nemo
I ask because enblend has been running for 18 hours so far -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-12 Thread Yclept Nemo
Is it possible to create a rectilinear panorama from images (shot from one location) ranging (tip-to-tip) 67 degrees horizontally and 50 degrees vertically such that the output image plane does not appear to lean forwards or backwards, but flat as in

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-12 Thread Yclept Nemo
Mm sorry FOV ranges from 142 degrees horizontal to 144 degrees vertical according to the sticther tab... whereas I calculated FOV from the images tab as (yaw group0 - yaw group1) * (# groups) + [2-(mod2 #groups)/2](yaw group1 - yaw group1). What is the difference ? -- You received this message

RE: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-12 Thread Dale Beams
Btw, this is an awesome image! Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:34:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience From: orbisvi...@gmail.com To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com Is it possible to create a rectilinear panorama from images (shot from one location) ranging (tip-to-tip) 67

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-11 Thread paul womack
Jim Watters wrote: On 2011-04-08 10:35 AM, paul womack wrote: whats the difference between vertical control point lines and horizontal control point lines? - http://wiki.panotools.org/Horizontal_control_points - http://wiki.panotools.org/Vertical_control_points -

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-11 Thread Yclept Nemo
Thanks for all the points, I've aligned specific stacks and created stack masks, now despite a mundane landscape the fused version nonetheless looks impressive. My panorama is outputting to exposure fused from stacks as TIFF and HDR as EXR, in both cases the blend process has taken about two

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-09 Thread Markku Kolkka
Yclept Nemo kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika lauantai, 9. huhtikuuta 2011): Ah well! I have Ø symbol printed on the side of my Canon EOS 350, I was told this was the NPP point... Anyone know what this point marks? It marks the sensor plane location in the body. The no-parallax point is in

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-09 Thread Yclept Nemo
I ran a rough test (I don't have the tripod) and determined that my NPP was displaced by approximately 10cm - which caused about a 4px pixel error for mid-range objects. It's really neat that object distance can be estimated from pixel error. I've noticed that enblend is 99% of the stiching

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-08 Thread paul womack
Erik Krause wrote: Am 08.04.2011 10:43, schrieb Yclept Nemo: By the way, whats the difference between vertical control point lines and horizontal control point lines? - http://wiki.panotools.org/Horizontal_control_points - http://wiki.panotools.org/Vertical_control_points -

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-08 Thread Yclept Nemo
thanks for the suggestions: Just to be clear, the problem is not in my control points. I have 24 stacks with 50% overlap, per overlap I've manually placed 20-40 high-correlation well-distributed accurate control points. After optimizing my average error is 0.4, rms error 0.6, max error 1.7. The

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-08 Thread Jim Watters
On 2011-04-08 10:35 AM, paul womack wrote: whats the difference between vertical control point lines and horizontal control point lines? - http://wiki.panotools.org/Horizontal_control_points - http://wiki.panotools.org/Vertical_control_points -

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-08 Thread Yclept Nemo
Important: Horizontal, vertical, and straight lines are evaluated on their output projection. Hm, so that's why my mercator projection + straight line @ ~25° was throwing off the alignment... so this means that: equirectangular: vertical lines only, plus horizon line Does this also apply to

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin Experience

2011-04-08 Thread Yclept Nemo
Ah well! I have Ø symbol printed on the side of my Canon EOS 350, I was told this was the NPP point... as you pointed out, likely not. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS350D/Images/allroundview.jpg Top right view, above the strap slit. Anyone know what this point marks? -- You received