Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-24 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/11/10 23:28, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Again, we are not talking about the ordering :) > We are talking about the labels that we put on the > figure, whether we want to show the actual physical > IDs, or just the logical IDs Apologies - I do mea

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
BTW, thanks for your input, we badly need it to make hwloc suit peoples' need :) I often write terse critism mails, but that's mostly to make sure we're going the right way :) (BTW, I recommend reading lwn.net's series of articles on good & bad design patterns). Samuel

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
Christopher Samuel, le Wed 24 Nov 2010 06:50:18 +0100, a écrit : > >> I'm not so sure, I would have thought that the graphical > >> interface should default to what applications can see, > > > > Err, what do you mean by "what applications can see" ? > > Sorry, jet-lag - I just prefer that lstopo

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-24 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/11/10 19:30, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Christopher Samuel, le Tue 23 Nov 2010 05:28:32 +0100, a écrit : >> On 23/11/10 07:48, Brice Goglin wrote: >> >>> Anyway, FWIW, I think I am in favor of switching to >>> physical in graphic output by default

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-23 Thread Samuel Thibault
Christopher Samuel, le Tue 23 Nov 2010 05:28:32 +0100, a écrit : > On 23/11/10 07:48, Brice Goglin wrote: > > > Anyway, FWIW, I think I am in favor of switching to > > physical in graphic output by default. > > I'm not so sure, I would have thought that the graphical > interface should default to

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/11/10 07:48, Brice Goglin wrote: > Anyway, FWIW, I think I am in favor of switching to > physical in graphic output by default. I'm not so sure, I would have thought that the graphical interface should default to what applications can see, not

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Jeff Squyres
On Nov 22, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Jirka Hladky wrote: > It seems like the marketing guy was right when he talked about brainstorming? Say it isn't so! ;-) -- Jeff Squyres jsquy...@cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Jirka Hladky
On Monday, November 22, 2010 11:24:19 pm Samuel Thibault wrote: > Jeff Squyres, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 21:54:04 +0100, a écrit : > > Better yet -- include a legend/text explanation line (or even just a > > title, "Physical|Logical numbering of processors in [hostname] at > > [time/date]") > > That, ho

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Jirka Hladky
On Monday, November 22, 2010 07:47:32 pm Samuel Thibault wrote: > Jirka Hladky, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 19:28:43 +0100, a écrit : > > What about adding the suggested legend: > > "This graphics is using [physical|logical] numbering. See man hwloc for > > > > details." > > > > at the bottom of the grap

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Jeff Squyres
On Nov 22, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Brice Goglin wrote: > yes, with hostname removed if isthissystem=0, or changed if HostName is > available in the root->infos. Good point. We should probably also include the user's gravatar, too. ;-) -- Jeff Squyres jsquy...@cisco.com For corporate legal informat

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Brice Goglin
Le 22/11/2010 23:24, Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Jeff Squyres, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 21:54:04 +0100, a écrit : > >> Better yet -- include a legend/text explanation line (or even just a title, >> "Physical|Logical numbering of processors in [hostname] at [time/date]") >> > That, however, can b

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jeff Squyres, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 21:54:04 +0100, a écrit : > Better yet -- include a legend/text explanation line (or even just a title, > "Physical|Logical numbering of processors in [hostname] at [time/date]") That, however, can be useful by default, yes. Samuel

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Jeff Squyres
On Nov 22, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Brice Goglin wrote: > We could also print a message in stdout: > "Using physical/OS indexes by default in the graphic mode, use -l to > revert to logical indexes" > Anybody that may confuse logical/physical indexes will have to run > hwloc-calc/bind from a terminal an

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Brice Goglin
We could also print a message in stdout: "Using physical/OS indexes by default in the graphic mode, use -l to revert to logical indexes" Anybody that may confuse logical/physical indexes will have to run hwloc-calc/bind from a terminal anyway, so printing this lstopo message to the terminal may h

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Jeff Squyres
On Nov 22, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: >> at the bottom of the graphics? > > Again, it makes it tedious to reuse it for other purpose. I'm expecting > the user to have a look at the manual if he cares what L/P means. I dunno -- cropping that out of an image is pretty easy. MS Offi

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jirka Hladky, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 19:28:43 +0100, a écrit : > What about adding the suggested legend: > > "This graphics is using [physical|logical] numbering. See man hwloc for > details." > > at the bottom of the graphics? Again, it makes it tedious to reuse it for other purpose. I'm expecti

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Jirka Hladky
On Monday, November 22, 2010 06:57:45 pm Samuel Thibault wrote: > Jirka Hladky, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 18:45:03 +0100, a écrit : > > I would also like to ask you to consider adding the Title to the > > graphical output so that users can distinguish easily if the graphics > > was created with --physical

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jirka Hladky, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 18:45:03 +0100, a écrit : > I would also like to ask you to consider adding the Title to the graphical > output so that users can distinguish easily if the graphics was created with > --physical or --logical numbering. > > Adding single line to the top of graphic

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Jirka Hladky
On Monday, November 22, 2010 05:57:34 pm Samuel Thibault wrote: > Samuel Thibault, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 17:33:15 +0100, a écrit : > > > -- using "p" is a good way to indicate "physical". But IIRC, we didn't > > > like "l" (for "logical") because it looks too much like 1 (one). > > > > > > I think w

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 17:33:15 +0100, a écrit : > > -- using "p" is a good way to indicate "physical". But IIRC, we didn't > > like "l" (for "logical") because it looks too much like 1 (one). > > > > I think we're open to having some kind of indication to denote "logical" > > in

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jeff Squyres, le Mon 22 Nov 2010 15:56:09 +0100, a écrit : > Hmm, yes, this is a good topic. I think we had this discussion a while ago Yes, we have, and we had thought p would be enough, but apparently it is not. > -- using "p" is a good way to indicate "physical". But IIRC, we didn't like >

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-22 Thread Jeff Squyres
On Nov 18, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > But what do we want to add? > > When we changed the default, I was also quite concerned by -p not being > the default any more, as that is what most administrators will actually > want by default. Sorry; I was at SC10 last week and my INBOX

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jirka Hladky, le Thu 18 Nov 2010 16:03:21 +0100, a écrit : > On Thursday, November 18, 2010 03:55:35 pm Brice Goglin wrote: > > > Could you please add the legend to the picture explaining which index was > > > used? > > > > I guess it's possible. > Oh, this would be great! Will it make it into 1.1

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-18 Thread Jirka Hladky
On Thursday, November 18, 2010 03:55:35 pm Brice Goglin wrote: > Le 18/11/2010 08:50, Jirka Hladky a écrit : > > Hi all, > > > > Red Hat would like to included hwloc in the upcoming version of the Red > > Hat Enterprise Linux 6.1. There is Bugzilla 648593 > > [RFE] Include Portable Hardware Locali

Re: [hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-18 Thread Brice Goglin
Le 18/11/2010 08:50, Jirka Hladky a écrit : > Hi all, > > Red Hat would like to included hwloc in the upcoming version of the Red Hat > Enterprise Linux 6.1. There is Bugzilla 648593 > [RFE] Include Portable Hardware Locality (hwloc) in RHEL > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648593 >

[hwloc-devel] hwloc to be included in RHEL 6.1

2010-11-18 Thread Jirka Hladky
Hi all, Red Hat would like to included hwloc in the upcoming version of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.1. There is Bugzilla 648593 [RFE] Include Portable Hardware Locality (hwloc) in RHEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648593 to address this. I got following input from the devel: