Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar

2011-06-15 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 07:58:48PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Folks, This is a FYI... Carlos Rebassa, a Rap Ceibal volunteer many of us met in Uruguay has come up with a surprisingly critical complaint about Sugar. He included a link to an English version, but did not send it to IAEP or

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar

2011-06-15 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Am 15.06.2011 11:28, schrieb Kevin Mark: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 07:58:48PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Folks, This is a FYI... Carlos Rebassa, a Rap Ceibal volunteer many of us met in Uruguay has come up with a surprisingly critical complaint about Sugar. He included a link to an

[IAEP] [SLOBS]: revisiting the licensing text on the wiki

2011-06-15 Thread Walter Bender
As per our discussion at the last SLOBs meeting, I took a crack at rewriting the Licensing page in the wiki. Please take a look and comment/edit so that we can formally adopt new language at the next meeting. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Licensing regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar

2011-06-15 Thread nanonano
/Kevin Mark wrote: He also talks about using OO4kids with uses a non-sugar dialog box. That should be fixed with a technological solution. --- / Hi, Kevin: The problem that I was Talking about on the other

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Kenneth Wyrick
i see an apple guy trying to down FLOSS in it's truest form. the olpc is a key human access to experiencing ingenuity at it's finest...it starts with self where apple starts with i and thinks it;s a pod business to make money with good products that they are now making more affordable accessible

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Leonard
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Kenneth Wyrick k...@caltek.net wrote: i see an apple guy trying to down FLOSS in it's truest form. the olpc is a key human access to experiencing ingenuity at it's finest...it starts with self Don't shoot the messenger. Carlos is a prolific contributor to our

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar

2011-06-15 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I Am talking about the problem about the incompatibility between the Sugarized programs vs the normal linux programs , like the games that the children wants. There are thousands of programs in Linux that don't uses the Journal, so there are useless. This seems to be the common thread between

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar

2011-06-15 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: I Am talking about the problem about the incompatibility between the Sugarized programs vs the normal linux programs , like the games that the children wants.  There are thousands of programs in Linux that don't uses the

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro

2011-06-15 Thread Valerie Taylor
As a new independent learner, there is no question that it is difficult to learn Sugar but why would someone want to? I want to because OLPC is on the right track toward the education that should have been researched, implemented and supported for the last 20 years. What is amazing is that those

[IAEP] Concrete feedback

2011-06-15 Thread nanonano
/Walter Bender wrote: The eventual transition to GNOME 3.0 and PYGI will make a big difference in our ability to support more interoperability as well. -/ This is a very good news, Thanks, Walter!

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Valerie Taylor
The concerns are much more technical that I was imagining. I'm really out there on the fringe. I took the liberty of going through the Sugar manual and leaving out anything that was too technical for a general overview. There is still a lot of useful and interesting information about Sugar,

Re: [IAEP] Concrete feedback

2011-06-15 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
You are showing one of the more commons problems when we talk about the Journal. Many times, bugs in activities are perceived like bugs in the Journal. If one activity is not well sugarized, is a problem in the activity and must solved. And from a long time, the default way wen you open one

Re: [IAEP] Concrete feedback

2011-06-15 Thread Kenneth Wyrick
I'm glad to see all the entries which tells me what they clicked on and if they didn't create anything then I'm curious to know why. maybe for long term use there could be a way to sort entries based on size of the entries or something like that which would put the files with no content near the

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Kenneth Wyrick
Oh! Ok I get that, now. Also, view my comments as a gut level response as a newbie to this project who is looking for specific constructive dialog instead of generalities that are easily thrown around. Maybe it's just me but I replied how I felt as I read what was written. So, I still want to

Re: [IAEP] Concrete feedback

2011-06-15 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
There are a option to sort by size, by creation date and by modification date. Gonzalo On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Kenneth Wyrick k...@caltek.net wrote: I'm glad to see all the entries which tells me what they clicked on and if they didn't create anything then I'm curious to know why.

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Leonard
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Kenneth Wyrick k...@caltek.net wrote: Oh! Ok I get that, now. Also, view my comments as a gut level response as a newbie to this project who is looking for specific constructive dialog instead of generalities that are easily thrown around. Maybe it's just me

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Kenneth Wyrick
Chris, Since this seems to be something you have sincere passion about, would you be willing to simply list/summarize specific points that you see that Carlos made so we can talk about them point by point to hopefully arrive at a more succinct overall intention of his communication? On Wed, Jun

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, On Wed, Jun 15 2011, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Maybe it's just me but I replied how I felt as I read what was written. So, I still want to know what his purpose is for spending time with the olpc? Based on what I read, he sees the apple as our competitor. I could have done without the apple

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 15.06.2011, at 14:03, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jun 15 2011, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Maybe it's just me but I replied how I felt as I read what was written. So, I still want to know what his purpose is for spending time with the olpc? Based on what I read, he sees the apple as our

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar

2011-06-15 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
When the majority of classes are using the Browse activity (did we hear something like 70-80% ? ) it sounds like it would be wise to discuss ChromeOS and browser-based applications, possibly using a modern browser such a Webkit. I seem to have heard that the current Browse Activity does not

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Leonard
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Kenneth Wyrick k...@caltek.net wrote: Chris, Since this seems to be something you have sincere passion about, would you be willing to simply list/summarize specific points that you see that Carlos made so we can talk about them point by point to hopefully

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread Steve Thomas
1. I believe Carlos raises valid points 2. We need specifics so we can prioritize and address them, So: 1. Let's stop talking in generalities and about volunteer vs corporate, we are what we are, so let's make the best of it 2. We should work with Carlos (who I find

Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread mokurai
On Wed, June 15, 2011 7:45 pm, Steve Thomas wrote: 1. I believe Carlos raises valid points Definitely. 2. We need specifics so we can prioritize and address them, I asked Carlos to check over our existing documentation and tell us, and in particular me, what is lacking. I await his