and
leadership topics - then I would very much appreciate to join that.
I will continue to maintain Sugar packaging for Debian.
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lieve more qualified and encourage them to update it.
Since it is technical pages, reaching out at the IAEP list won't work.
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A third bridge that looks promising is Biboumi. We tested only briefly
so far but it looks like it properly represents each participant without
a visible bot in-between or dublicated nicks.
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ecifically?
From an Open Hardware perspective, the TERES-I looks more promising to
me: https://www.olimex.com/Products/DIY%20Laptop/
https://olimex.wordpress.com/tag/laptop/
From an available-at-shelves-to-buy perspective, Pinebook and TERES-I
seems on par to me.
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g its code and announcing
releases. What is needed is people able and interested in running
Debian and testing the packages - and people helping create packages - for
Debian.
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alk about "at all"
but "not even boot":
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard <d...@jones.dk> wrote:
>>> I think the situation has changed? Can't the rpi3 run mainline
>>> kernel?
>>
>> No, it cannot *boot* without non-
ributed from Debian!
...or don't - but then call it something else than "free", please:
Consumers watering down the terms is far more confusing than Microsoft
inventing "shared source".
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just mention as a
data point.
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> On 16 June 2016 at 09:16, Jonas Smedegaard <d...@jones.dk> wrote:
>> Quoting Dave Crossland (2016-06-16 14:48:56)
>>> I think this is a really important discussion for the wider
>>> community, as it r
"full Crouton system" in that article? That implies you
either get scary warnings and loud beeps at boot with super easy
accidental wipe of your whole system, or need to tinker with the
infamous screw.
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Liberal license is effective when code is a) reused in source form (e.g.
forked for a BSD-based project), and b) if being granted an alternative
license for the otherwise copyleft-licensed code.
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! And freely licensed!
I am curious about sources for the book - are those freely and openly
available too? It seems you do not mention source location, neither at
the web page nor inside the PDF.
The final URL in the pdf - http://software.booki.cc - seems to not work.
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Quoting Chris Leonard (2012-12-21 20:04:37)
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Chris Leonard
cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk
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Wauw - really exciting! And freely licensed!
I am curious about sources for the book
,
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a LOT going on there.
I am wondering: Would Debian packaging of Sugar be of any relevancy
there?
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about this detailed instruction:
1) Buy a non-locked computer
2) Copy everything over to that other machine
3) Exercise all your rights there
Et voilá, GPLv3 not violated.
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, and then execute the
freedoms to edit the code on that other host?
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On 11-04-26 at 03:37pm, John Watlington wrote:
On Apr 26, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
How is that a violation of GPL license?
I believe they do have full access to all source code - just is not
allowed to execute it (conveniently) on the hardware it resides
On 11-04-26 at 04:28pm, John Watlington wrote:
On Apr 26, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On 11-04-26 at 03:37pm, John Watlington wrote:
On Apr 26, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Tivoization - as I understand it - is when the hardware locks the
code in a way
and
GPLv3, and passive ones like BSD-3-clause and Expat (a.k.a. MIT).
I have very much enjoyed following this discussion. Thanks for the well
reflected arguments on both sides!
Regards, and good luck with this process,
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of transparency. Noone else has a concern about that
apparently, which is (hopefully) comforting...
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similar volunteer efforts. This brings (at least) two disadvantages:
1. Increasing the gap between developers and users.
2. Encumbering the project with (more) discrete communiction.
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Hi Cristoph and others,
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:04:08AM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
Am 17.05.2010 23:50, schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:43:19PM -0500, David Farning wrote:
One consideration is that these deployment specific issues are often
boring -- stuff like
. :-)
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On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 04:32:59PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:35:20PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote:
0.88 is the latest version of Sugar, consisting of Glucose, the base
system environment
not be
shy but subscribe to our team mailinglist and let's discuss how you can
contribute to that packaging effort. More info at your own wiki here:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Debian
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, in my opinion.
If you meant something else, I apologize: please clarify.
NB! Please cc me directly on responses to this email: recent changes to
sugarlabs.org DNS has has caused me to get unsubscribed from all lists.
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so the numbers are in no way accurate, but may interest you anyway:
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=squeak-vm
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On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 03:24:23AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 06:49:00PM -0500, David Farning wrote:
2. manually sync /debian from git.debian.org to git.gnewsense.org
3. do final work in git.gnewsense.org
Is Alioth such a cruel place to work together? Is it me
Hi all,
As subject says, Glucose (and some of Fructose) 0.84.0 and 0.85.7 is now
packaged for Debian!
More info at http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Debian .
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system, there is really only one sane solution: Keep the
activities backwards compatible!
Hope you will engage more than just fork off,
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On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:43:25AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 00:32, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
As subject says, Glucose (and some of Fructose) 0.84.0 and 0.85.7 is
now packaged for Debian!
More info at http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar and
http
.
Don't know if it uses SMIL for its animations, but this one looks
interesting - perhaps even for Activity design?:
http://code.google.com/p/altcanvas/wiki/InkFace
Recent releases are written in Python, using pycairo and pygame.
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Kind regards, and thanks for your interest in our FLOSS contributions,
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speed drives as Apple used back then, berfore the Superdrives).
...also, I live in Denmark and wouldn't recommend sending those old
floppies by snail mail...
Good luck!
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STP cross-posting marketing info, please!
Great info, but not educational nor geeky, so irrelevant for those lists
IMHO.
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welcome to cc me any posts that you suspect might be of
direct interest to me - and perhaps you even want my opinion on.
Good luck with the ever more succesful Sugarlabs project!
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thread was (important but) sidetracking.
As I see it, Fructose activities are non-hackable activities that are
distributed to all learners. So ideally there should be none, and most
certainly the amount should be kept small.
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in promotion would encourage friendly competition among
distributions. It would also leave room for other distributions
promoting their alternative products as SoaS as well, if they feel that
it fits the description of currently best optimized for Sugar ;-)
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challenge yourself. There is plenty to do that is more Sugar-specific
than dealing with boot loaders, kernels and (oh my) security bugs
throughout thousands(!) of tiny little parts of what is contained in a
fullblown distribution.
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to encourage distribution
makers to use.
Sugarlabs makes Sugar. And defines terms for what they make.
Let each distribution define terms for their works.
That is freedom.
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P.P.S.
If you read this far, it is most likely because I did not include a few
miles of dead quotes of earlier mails. :-P
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Free and Open Source Software.
FLOSS means Free/Libre and Open Source Software.
The first can be misunderstood as free beer, the last one can't.
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suspect laissez-faire is the wrong term for non-monopolist
capitalists :-)
Those-in-FLOSS-who-favor-the-smooth-sound-of-Open-Source-over-the-potent-sound-of-Free-Software!
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Freedom fighter
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: invading - potentially
taking over, accidentally or on purpose, the computers
Or did I misunderstand the kind of term you had in mind?
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Hi,
Today's LWN has a feature about Activities: It is a paid service,
allowing sharing of individual articles, so here it is:
http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334911/cf451c615cfdaa33/
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 06:18:35AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:58:17AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
Tomeu Vizoso writes:
I think it's very
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 15:42, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 03:23:20PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote:
2009/5/28 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk
Please
into a
not-only-for-learning for Kids disturbing.
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/Illustrators.
Authors → Packagers → Distributors → Deployers → Administrators →
Learners
(arrgh - too long to fit a single line :-( )
...and alongside all of those are Supporters, which includes
Fundraisers, Managers and Inspirators.
Regards,
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libraries will fail.
Apart from that, I can't think of other obstacles at the moment.
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other words, it may be illegal to publish SoaS as pre-blessed images.
:-(
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On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:45:21PM -0300, Andrea Mangiatordi wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Beware that if blessing is similar to that of classic MacOS, then
it includes adding a small binary piece that is *not* free software.
In other
on the other start up options.
Hopefully, yes.
See Troubleshooting at this page:
http://refit.sourceforge.net/doc/c1s3_remove.html
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:40:53PM +0500, Ashar Iqbal wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 08:35:05PM +0500, Ashar Iqbal wrote:
I have got a laptop with a VIA C3 cpu. This needs
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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On the other hand, if you want up-to-date Sugar in a simple way, then
I have no recommendation for you: I
is the preferred environment
over e.g. the terminal or some virtual (X11-based or not) environment.
Hope that clarifies (and feel free to disagree with my judgements!).
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?
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...using rEFIt on my laptop for quite some time :-)
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. does not
disappear when the CD or USB key is removed), and in case of error you
cannot start your old MacOS (you may need an original MacOS X install
DVD, or perhaps even need some other rescue tool!).
Replace Linux above with SoaS if that makes more sense to you.
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driver,
but Sugar is not currently up-to-date.
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your_first_machine sugar-emulator
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Debian (not Ubuntu) developer
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be
installed manually on top of my packages, and when packaged officially
for Debian I intend to include it.
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exactly they do in comparison.
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!), then debconf is certainly recommended to attend!
Go register here: http://debconf9.debconf.org/register.xhtml
Please beware that deadline for sponsorship applications is in a few
days!
Would certainly be great with a Sugar gathering at Debconf!
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adoption if first working with
distributions on shaping/polishing patches.
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On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 09:52:00PM -0400, Ivan Krstić wrote:
On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
which made me assume that I was only moderator, not admin.
I've reset the admin password for iaep and sent it to Jonas; anyone
else
.
...or actual spam abusing his email address, flagged as spam.
Please, list moderators, avoid flagging senders as spam: Leave it to
admins to apply regex-based filters for senders that can only be
spammers.
Do we have any list moderators at all that are not list admins too now?
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for it. Especially if it ends up in documentation.
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One fact is that Sugar is unique in the computing industry in its
targeting kids globally - and especially poor ones (some of which is
suffering from the consequences of people and mindset like that of
Coenraad)!
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powerful and
base even our marketing on facts?
One fact is that Sugar is unique in the computing industry in its
targeting kids globally - and especially poor ones (some of which is
suffering from the consequences of people and mindset like that of
Coenraad)!
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On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 10:09:51AM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 19:40, Ivan Krstić
krs...@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu wrote:
On Mar 5, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Yes, at iaep it got discarded while at -devel
to our concept, and pick a specific one
for this current release, instead, to diminish the unfriendly number to
end users.
Proposal: Sugar 0.82 Chocolate
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On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:54:57PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 06.03.2009, at 13:49, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Proposal: Sugar 0.82 Chocolate
Nice idea, but it's not google-compatible. Rather unlikely that sugar
chocolate will lead one
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On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 03:01:19PM -0500, Kevin Cole wrote:
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:14, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
So I now propose instead to name Sugar releases _indirectly_ after
great sugar-related personalities, and specifically
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http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
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On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:40:21PM -0500, Ivan Krstić wrote:
On Mar 5, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Yes, at iaep it got discarded while at -devel it only got
quarantined.
Ed's e-mail address had been added by a list admin
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On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 04:26:36PM -0500, Ivan Krstić wrote:
On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
That would be my first place to look too, for this particular kind of
issue. If I was allowed, that is. :-P
You're already an admin
. But not Sugar itself.
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. 64bit PPC-like Cell hardware with odd X11 driver)?
Or did you mean classic (i.e. IBM-compatible 32bit-comptible) PCs?
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this,
but that's harder to do)
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Your mailinglist clerk
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(which is a
derivative of Fedora, I believe).
You (among others, and quite understandably so!) seem to confuse the
Desktop developed by Sugarlabs with the distributions including it.
Kind regards,
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Sucrose then sugar 0.86 can
declare both features sugar 0.86 and gst-speech 2 (assuming the new
implementation is backwards compatible but adds a few new features too),
and sugar-speech is no longer needed.
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, until a newer upstream version can replace it.
Simple rule for end users: Please file bugreports to your distribution,
against any software packages from them(!) you experience problems with.
Such bugreports are a valuable contribution, and are highly appreciated!
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Hi David (and others),
[quotes reordered to not use TOFU[1] ]
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 09:38:20AM +0100, David Van Assche wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:16:19PM +0100, David
the packaging routines as already drafted
at the Alioth OLPC list, then it is not sponsoring but ordinary package
maintainance.
- Jonas
[1] Others are welcome too, it is just that noone has stepped up!
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 03:37:15PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
please relax...
Please stop posting noise that can be mistaken as invitation to break
what I build.
On Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2009, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
If someone (me[1
distributor aware of any issues you experience!
Kind regards,
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On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 02:43:24AM +0100, David Van Assche wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 07:09:02PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d
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(trying, like Ubuntu, to be ahead of its upstreams cause complex
problems when upstreams then take a different path than was guessed)
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