Re: [IAEP] BERNIE

2014-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.netwrote: Please let me know if there are any problems with the site. It's missing a logo. Maybe this image can be stylized and repurposed... http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8207/8198080349_a40d2f849c_o.jpg m --

Re: [IAEP] Sugarized binaries? was Re: users doing python in XOs

2012-12-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Yama, what you outline in #1 is generally doable. Just a bit of elbow grease to put the files in the Sugarized activity and have a wrapper to set the appropriate *PATH variables. #2 is generally not doable. As you say, there may be a way to do without superuser privs... You just have to find

Re: [IAEP] Renaming the Telescope activity to Scope

2012-11-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: As I recall, this activity was already renamed once from xoscope after it became clear it was colliding in name space with an oscilloscpe activity. Renames are a pain in infrastructure, and in upgrade handling for

Re: [IAEP] Names for new XO-3

2012-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Caryl, just to clarify -- the unit is XO-4. Two variants will be available -- XO-4 Laptop and XO-4 Touch (a laptop with multitouch screen). The XO-4 Laptop is in general terms externally similar to XO-1.75, but gruntier guts. XO-4 Touch adds multitouch, so the frame changes a bit. cheers,

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [SLOBS] New Co / Nueva Empresa

2012-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: It has been 7 months since the Bumblebee brainstorming group had its discussion in San Francisco. I'm not sure what we thought would work for us, My recommendation is to let each group do their own thing. It's their

Re: [IAEP] New Co / Nueva Empresa

2012-05-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: concluded [3] that the Local Lab construct, which entails activities above and beyond writing, improving and documenting FLOSS, fell outside of the scope of our parent organization, the Software Freedom Conservancy

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] RFC:Simple Help widget for activities

2012-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
2012/3/8 Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org: Here is a mockup I did for the same activity with this ideas: http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/simple_help_mock.png I really like this work track. Manuel and Gonzalo's proposed examples are, IMO, good to be options for activities. The central goal is _a

Re: [IAEP] Uruguay first to get XO 1.75

2012-03-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 16.03.2012, at 19:45, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: Developers: begin to compile for ARM... Actually, developers have been doing this for many months already. As Bert says, we are shipping as a _result_ of the

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Edujam 2012 sera mejor que Edujam 2011

2012-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Feb 9, 2012 8:40 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: As to your various questions regarding programming, the answer is, it depends. Creo que Walter aqui esta reaccionando a intentos excesivos de definir programar y escribir codigo. Visto de afuera, esto de programar es

Re: [IAEP] Sugar UI font

2012-01-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@laptop.org.au wrote: Just a thought - how feasible would it be to take an existing open-licensed font (there are lots of good ones) and substitute in an a and 9 that are more consistent with Australian classroom That is your best shot

Re: [IAEP] Raspberry Pi - $25 computer coming soon....

2011-08-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
The thing is -- you gotta put a computer around it to make it useful. Add a screen, a keyboard, touchpad, speakers, microphone, camera, storage... Once you do all that, if you want a rugged form factor, it looks a lot like a green-and-white unit we know. If you don't, then some of the lowest-cost

Re: [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure the exact details but sharepoint does support sharing as webdav. I'm not sure how it works on the server side but at work it works with Fedora 14 and webdav on the client side. AFAIK, if all you want is

Re: [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:12 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: why not use Moodle or Sharepoint or Blackboard? Yeah - there's an easy-installation Moodle package. That's what I'd go with. m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  - ask interesting

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] copy files to/from server

2011-05-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: I still didn't make up my mind about which technical approach should I take in order to get this working, but I guess people already started sharing some ideas. And I would appreciate more ideas and discussion

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] XO power management hindering collaboration

2011-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@laptop.org.au wrote: This is with OLPC OS 10.1.3 (XO-AU 10.1.3-au2 - we haven't made any changes that would affect reliability of collaboration). The XOs were registered and using an XS. I've reported this at

Re: [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Sridhar, I don't fully understand your scenario. You say an XS is not an option... but I thought you were using XS, with Jerry's help? If you are using XS, you can use Moodle. If there is no XS, then any webbased tool that offers a file upload form to post a file to share will work. You can

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: To me, one of the more compelling arguments for considering GPLv3 is When the Rules Are Broken: A Smooth Path to Compliance. Interesting! I hadn't thought it'd be so awkward, but if one is to be 100% formal, you need

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: GPLv3

2011-04-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Gabriel Eirea gei...@gmail.com wrote: Fact 1: in Plan Ceibal the XO 1.0 and XO 1.5-HS don't provide access to root. Yes, but as Walter indicates, I understand it is allowed in newer OSs. In any case I am aware of efforts to make it available. This means that

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
at 03:38 -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: What is done with said code was never the business of GPLv2. GPLv3 starts getting its nose into the how it is used side. Wait a moment: neither the GPLv2 nor the GPLv3 has ever put any limitation on the way you can *use* the software. One could use GPLv3

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: GPLv3

2011-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Likewise, Sugar Labs has an obligation to act on all GPL violations reported on Sugar Labs copyrighted code. But we cannot act on our own if we do not hold copyright. Minor technical note here -- SL has a right, but

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I sure wish that GPLv3 was limited to those bugfixes, and the anti-tivo wording was segregatd to a new license; a bit like some clauses were split off to the Affero-GPL. The GPL always has been about protecting the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Murder? You bet! And this isn't hard to get over. Easy. Oops. Not easy to get over. m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  - ask interesting questions  - don't get

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GPL non-compliance, was Re: [SLOBS] GPLv3

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, I am too dumb to know the full ins and outs of this.  I also have been advised that I should not mess with this because (as I

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GPL non-compliance, was Re: [SLOBS] GPLv3

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Folks -- one thing we need to be in good intellectual shape to handle loaded questions. Everyone here probably knows them well, but I just re-read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question and it was rather refreshing and useful. In general, if you don't know much about a topic, it is a

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The oversight board is considering a motion to upgrade the license of Sugar from GPLv2 or later to GPLv3 or later. Before proceeding to a vote, we'd like to request feedback from the community. Interesting. (Bad

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Authors can express their intentions through a license. If you didn't want your code to be redistributed under a later versions of the GPL, then why didn't you distribute as GPLv2-only? On a personal note here...

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: Yes, you seem to be confused Bernie.  You can redistribute under a license however you like, usually without explicitly stating it.  But if you alter the source files or replace COPYING, you are *changing the license*.

Re: [IAEP] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

2011-04-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: PCs and Linux machines yes. But... there still lots of issues with Macs and so far it does not work with the older G4 Power PC Macs (EToys to go does!). Does Android run on your G4 PPC Mac?? Or is this all random talk?

Re: [IAEP] Any olpc/Sugar/ICT4E people in Spain?

2011-03-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: olpc/Sugar/ICT4E who are based here in Madrid or elsewhere in Spain? In Spain the Moodle community is very strong -- peaks around Catalunya. Vasque country is strong on alternative linux distros for

Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

2011-02-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:32 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: This seems to me to be a red herring.  What does connectivity have to do with your choice of OS? While technically possible to write all sort of sw yourself, you choose an OS based on the affordances it offers. The OSs

Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi folks.  I wish to make a radical proposal: Sugar is starting to move forward again. We could focus or we could Get Distracted! :-) [ Yes, there are some interesting hints on the Android side. And on the cloud. And Tablets! And ChromeOS! And Win7-on-Nokia! Don't forget Kinect. Rebase and

Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:31 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: Stepping back for a moment, the key question is: how can we get Sugar out of the window manager and network manager and activity update and UI toolkit business, where it's just not keeping up (and wasting our efforts),

Re: [IAEP] !! in 10.1.3, setting languages property clears all activities

2011-01-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: thus having an image available might actually save bandwidth - AFAIK Sugar is about half the size of a Fedora download Yes it is smaller, but if Tim in Haiti is very bw-limited, even the smaller thing is too large.

Re: [IAEP] llamado internacional a capacitadores Moodle

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
2011/1/19 Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@bolinux.org: Ceibal ha publicado este llamado para capacitadores Moodle http://tinyurl.com/4rnkl2v Es trabajo a distancia, 1.000 USD por mes, requisito es ser residente de un pais del Banco Interamericano de Desarrollo Excelente! Si alguien está en una

Re: [IAEP] Child in charge of FOSS or Sugar

2010-09-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Teemu Leinonen teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: The issue is even more important when the project is claiming to promote FLOSS culture, like in the case of Sugar. In my definition of That is _not_ the primary goal of Sugar. Sugar aims for lots of goals, first and

Re: [IAEP] Child in charge of FOSS or Sugar

2010-09-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Søren Hougesen soren.houge...@gmail.com wrote: For about a month ago, I asked as a curious outsider, if kids were actually hacking sugar. Two factors are important here: - We all have very high and complex expectations for Sugar, so Sugar itself is internally

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org wrote: Where Mesh != 802.11s but rather an adhoc, self healing, self organizing routable network. Cerebro gave a great working demo of what you describe. Don't know how they compare. I think it is perfectly feasible to achieve

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: I think an honest assessment would indicate that OLPC has done some initial work on supporting touchscreen devices, but that SugarLabs has not (so far). (...) SugarLabs is where many developers get together. Similar to

Re: [IAEP] Who determines what version of Sugar is used in the field?

2010-07-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: Mel's response: To me, this is very clear - SL decides what version(s) of Sugar it will support, and deployments will decide what version(s) of Sugar they will use. Exactly. That's a huge part of the Free in FOSS. We can all

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOBs] F11+0.88+XO1.* as a SL project

2010-07-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: So that could be what defines a project, but which are the consequences of becoming an official project? Yeah - what does it mean? I'd say just highlight, endorse, promote, congratulate and celebrate projects :-) Truth is,

Re: [IAEP] Notes from OLPC/Waveplace Health Discussion

2010-06-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Beth Santos b...@waveplace.org wrote: See notes below about our Public Health meeting from Tuesday, June 22nd at 4pm EST. Given the interest in health -- do you know about... - USAID's health materials at http://www.globalhealthlearning.org/ - WHO Pacific's

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Proposal release management

2010-06-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: Perhaps we should instead be talking about whatever role describes the people who /do/ care about the code that goes in? Programmer. Implementor. Product manager. :-) I think the view is that features have their own

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] OLPC rules out Windows for XO-3

2010-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:56 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Do you think that the solution is to create a new and more narrow list No more lists please ;-) ! Move thread to d...@lists.laptop.org where it belongs ;-) Mostly the same crowd, but not quite. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com

Re: [IAEP] Supporting Sugar .88 on the XO1

2010-05-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:48 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: As Bernie announced, we working on supporting Sugar .88 on the XO-1. Excellent. No need for soul searching. Get it done for your users, get the patches out :-) Give not a second of thought to blame and failure. cheers,

Re: [IAEP] Working with a commercial entity.

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: Over the past couple of months I have been exploring business opportunities to promote the adoption and development of Sugar.  One of these opportunities is a service and support business for deployments.  As such, we are

Re: [IAEP] Working with a commercial entity.

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Done critically, creatively, and transparently, voluntary free software projects There is a bit of misdirection in there. Projects are rarely defined as a voluntary free software project. IMHE successful

Re: [IAEP] Working with a commercial entity.

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: Making deals with commercial partners have a tendency to spawn discrete communication and work shared openly but as a result, not a peer process (a famous example is that of Google Android release process of linux kernel

Re: [IAEP] How to save Journal entries from multiple students to a single computer?

2010-05-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
David, Sugaristas, maybe there's a way to disable the auto-login-as-liveuser and create a different account (and homedir!) for each user. I don't know how SoaS does the auto-login-as-liveuser -- my recipe would be - find out how, and disable the trick - create accounts for each user -

Re: [IAEP] How to save Journal entries from multiple students to a single computer?

2010-05-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
2010/5/14 Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py: Based on the backup function, I wrote a script that calculates the total number of Journal entries (among all users) for each activity. My idea was to infer the favorite activities.. but I need some heuristics because counting created

Re: [IAEP] Peru, OLPC and Wikipedia

2010-05-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:49 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: the interviewed social Darwinist is Robert Wright, the author of  Nonzero http://www.nonzero.org/ The filmmaker is Righteous Pictures http://righteouspictures.com/ Wright seems to believe that there is a higher purpose to

Re: [IAEP] Long-term development strategy (Was: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119)

2010-04-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: And there is a perfect reason for a stable distro such as RHEL or CentOS :-) :-) Two quick things I want to inject into this conversation. - Timing affects this decision. We're not in the abstract -- this is _now_. If

Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay

2010-03-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Our short-term goal is to meet a release criteria of no regressions against build 801. Once this is done, we'll re-sync with the latest improvements from our upstreams, F11-XO1.5 and F11-XO1. Bravo. To Stephen, to all

Re: [IAEP] Argentina List

2010-03-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote: The Decalogue is a proposal about  how a project 1 to 1 should be, to provide to the ministry of education of the city of Buenos Aires. Its interesting remark that we and 12 associations are developing and signing the

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: So what do you see that we are missing to be able to do that? I'll assume you're referring to burning the usb disk. I agree with you -- it's hard to point at any single thing that would make it significantly easier (no

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: the real intention is this is where you start But... what's the target user for a this is where you start? Someone who can make their own spin... there's only very few of those target users, and they can help

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: the real intention is this is where you start But... what's the target user for a this is where you start? Someone who can make

Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help I read Sebastian's post... and is

Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majority of teachers and parents

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] non-free activities on ASLO

2010-03-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Yes.  We ratified at a SLOBS meeting that non-free activities (or content) should *not* be hosted on ASLO, and attempted to specify what we mean by non-free: I personally think it is very good that free are clearly separated

Re: [IAEP] US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton praises OLPC in South America

2010-03-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima yosh...@vpri.org wrote:  And if she gave an impression to think that giving laptops to children in the disaster-hit country will solve their problems, it would be a political suicide. Do read Hillary's speech. It is actually pretty good, and

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:33 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is a very big deal for us. We use a local variant of the F11-XO1 images by Stephen Parrish,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management. Are all activities working, including collaboration? In Gnome, can you

Re: [IAEP] Video Chat, Video Editing and VOIP activities for Sugar

2010-02-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:33 AM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: Old one http://cinelerra.org/about.php still , also can look at the distros like ubuntu studio . Cinelerra is a quirky beast, designed for high end hw, with lots of UI complexity, abundant unexplained segfaults and

Re: [IAEP] dealing with mailing lists

2010-01-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: Your mail client doesn't collate mails with similiar content and identical Message-IDs? Maybe Gmail has me spoiled, but I'm sure there are ways in other clients... Same here on the gmail spoilage. But naturally not everyone

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org

2010-01-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collab_mockup I see that you are pointing to Ubuntu's brainstorm, which has a huge overlap with the wiki-ish blueprints and tasks/bugs as tracked in launchpad/malone. Comparing Ubuntu's

Re: [IAEP] Need Live CD to take to Argentina

2009-12-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: You got some good replies already, but you may want to consider contacting Gustavo Ibarra or Gonzalo Odiard (cc'ed) who are pushing Sugar in Argentina. My thoughts exactly. Also -- if you're going to be in Buenos Aires,

Re: [IAEP] hearing impaired education and Sugar

2009-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi David, I think the Ceibal / LATU team has also been looking at various accesibility tools for Sugar. I've been talking with them recently about a 'Zoom' tool for kids with limited vision (hoping to post about this soonish) , and I think they've done some work with a screen reader. CC'ing

Re: [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices

2009-12-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their being able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to collaborating with others) is becoming more and more important. This is very

Re: [IAEP] Sharing EToys projects

2009-12-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: I am working with 140 5th grade students who are using XOs (mostly) and netbooks with SOAS. About 50 of them are using Etoys to create projects. I am trying to find a way to share them with their teachers and each

Re: [IAEP] The Guardian: PlayPower: 1980s computing for the 21st century

2009-11-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Yama Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: Elonex One clones are available right now for about $75 USD in quantities over 100.  They were released original well after the XO 1, and have about similar hardware.  Originally they sold for about $300. Again, probably

Re: [IAEP] The Guardian: PlayPower: 1980s computing for the 21st century

2009-11-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: ROFL!!! żte tragaste un payasito? This is not a forum for trolling. And do take note that this work... is serious work for a lot of us. Not for you clearly. I don't think you know much about the strange dynamics of

Re: [IAEP] The Guardian: PlayPower: 1980s computing for the 21st century

2009-11-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/04/playpower-80s-computing-21st-century Interesting. Though the challenge they have -- localising closed src binaries... to non ASCII-using locales -- is rather hard. Hard not to

Re: [IAEP] The Guardian: PlayPower: 1980s computing for the 21st century

2009-11-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr je...@merlintec.com wrote: The non ASCII is a complication, but changing binaries was very popular in Brazil in the 1980s (the copyright law here was only extended to software in 1987). I am argentine, and grew up patching binaries on the

Re: [IAEP] Some Questions About Setting Up A School Server

2009-10-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Jim needs help setting up a school server. For starters, I referred him to: He has the following questions. what's missing at least in part is network topology and possibilities, especially on the LAN side of the xs.

Re: [IAEP] Montessori madness...

2009-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: I've been reading Montessori Madness for a few hours now, and I find Another good one is Montessori Today http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Today-Comprehensive-Education-Adulthood/dp/080521061X The funny thing is that since

Re: [IAEP] Montessori madness...

2009-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Martin, can you point to Bryan's theory or give me a hint on search terms to find it? I googled for it too, don't think he's posted anything google-readable. He mentioned it in a couple of presentations at OLPC. Boils

Re: [IAEP] Montessori madness...

2009-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Yama Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: Let me go a step further than Martin.  Anything, including the bestest and newest computer thingie, will fail when the expected enabler is an unenthusiastic teacher. Sometimes. And sometimes it will make an

Re: [IAEP] XO Special interest group at Sugar Labs

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: Seems completely redundant with F11-on-XO and SoaS-on-XO (not to mention debxo and probably others).  I don't see how this is going to do anything but cause fragmentation and confusion. Maybe it is just a new name

Re: [IAEP] XO Special interest group at Sugar Labs

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:06 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The goal is to provide a place where the various people working But there _are_ people working on this already, and they probably have plans, priorities, etc. Why don't we just let them do their thing? Are they asking

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: Personally i would just get on with it and let the code do the talking... Produce the best distribution that you can and people will use, respect and protect it. +1. Sebastian -- you have unending respect from both

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: We already have de...@lists.laptop.org for OLPC, fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com and others for Fedora, debian-olpc-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org for Debian, ubuntu-sugart...@lists.ubuntu.com for Ubuntu. Why SoaS would be

Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
Some notes I think may be interesting. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote: For the Moodle advocates. I am a big Moodle fan. But I don't think its our right now solution for the work we are talking about doing. 1. Our target, elementary school

Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Thank Martin! Your email really helped me. No prob. I generally agree w your notes, except that reuse is heavily crossed by - languages and dialects - local culture, mores and MoE study programme not sure what

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Short Term Action Items: * We create a SoaS mailing list. * We establish the SoaS development team. if you split off sugar-dev, to reach the involved people you either have to crosspost all the time, or get everyone

Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
What David is saying is true. Current situation - For ease of integration - use Moodle itself, and linux-for-education.org is a good place to do it. There is no other curriki-like moodle instance that I know of. Moodle.org is building an index of such resources though. - IME Curriki is mainly

Re: [IAEP] student guidelines _very_ rough draft

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
FWIW, Helen Foster @ Moodle handles that -- according to Google's SoC ppl -- is one of the best-run GSoCs. What I hear from students is that the explicit 'expectations' document is very good guidance. All the docs are -- I think -- interesting: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Category:GSOC as a

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] DB module for moodle in XS server serously coool and needed addittion

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:56 AM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: To create a easy reference for linux commands, the best way was to use the Moodle database module. You can create quite elaborate databases which are then easily edited and added to by users.

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I have interviewed Mr. Stallman several times in the past and will brief him on the current situation. I don't know if he wrote the actual copy in question. It may be more effective to talk with Mako Hill. He is well known by

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote: +1.  And after dinner we could get a laptop and write down some notes on workable management practices for blessed projects like SoaS. Get onto some coding -- it's more fun and productive than policy-ing :-) m --

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Michael Stonemich...@laptop.org wrote: but, unfortunately, I'm now reassured that I'm right that most of the really big interesting Sugar-defining stuff like networking, collaboration, hackability, customizablility, performance, simplicity, security, etc. was

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote: My initial reaction was that community projects work by employing maintainers rather than project managers. Exactly. A PM can only fire you. A maintainer/leader can show his/her priorities in showing areas of focus,

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I don't think we really expect to be repaid, at least my opinion is that it's sad to see so much duplicated work and wasted effort because knowledge is not where it's actually needed. Just that. Completely agree with you.

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:14 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: We mostly assess that which can easily be measured rather than that which relates to the important education outcomes. Yes. We mostly assess that which can be easily measured _by humans_. Imagine how it goes when we narrow that to

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:22 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Eclipse and Apache both have criteria for becoming a official Note that Apache's reason to run this Apache Projects is to _extend the legal protection shield to other projects_. If doesn't care one zot about what the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Bryan Berrybr...@olenepal.org wrote: I agree that automatic assessment is no magic cure-all but it does free teachers from a lot of drudgery in grading worksheets. I understand your point, and respect your good intentions. I worry -- quite a bit -- about the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

2009-08-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The idea is that the journal would have an actions view that would be closer to what you refer to. Would contain actions that the user carried and events that happened around the user. The Journal as Sugar's documents view

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

2009-08-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I don't see where we disagree any of us, so maybe I'm explaining badly myself. Let me try again. I agree that the journal should be a journal, thus primarily about actions and events and not about static pieces of data or

Re: [IAEP] Get Satisfaction

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: One of their features is the ability to do single sign to gather more information about the user.  F Here is my idea of how it might work. Once Sugar is registered with an XS we could create a single sign on that

Re: [IAEP] Get Satisfaction

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Luke Faraonel...@faraone.cc wrote: I think it would be useful to expose a (optionally disableable by the school) option within the UI to report a problem, which (after gaining the - If the user can connect to the XS and Moodle (via the AP! using DNS!) - and

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SoaS with SD cards irregularities

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: Variables include: ... - what is the partition table as printed by fdisk -p /dev/sdX ? - for the main partition on the USB, where the SoaS is stored (a FAT variant?) what are the fs options? (we need the moral equivalent of

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