Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 03:28:11PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi all, > >> Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an >> "official" answer on this. Soon. >> >> Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs >> distributes a Sugar-centric GNU/L

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-19 Thread Sean DALY
Trademark registration has a cost. I've laid out several thousand USD for marketing expenses this year (yesterday's press release for example was $600) and I could cover SoaS trademark registration if money was the problem. I feel this is the way to go. Announcing a policy works with friends, but

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-19 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > I am all for Sugar Labs protecting, "owning" and bestowing the > SOaS monickers, and for full recognition to Sebastian's work (and > other's within the Fedora one, and the other options). > Who will pay? I don't think anyone needs to pay anything. If we announced that the SL po

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-19 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
I am all for Sugar Labs protecting, "owning" and bestowing the SOaS monickers, and for full recognition to Sebastian's work (and other's within the Fedora one, and the other options). Who will pay? hmm, problem Yama Sean DALY wrote: > I'm sorry, I couldn't disagree more. The public has no idea

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-19 Thread Sean DALY
I'm sorry, I couldn't disagree more. The public has no idea what Sugar is. Believe me, without marketing, that won't change. We're just at the beginning, and for now paying marketing expenses out of pocket. The Sugar on a Stick name and what it means wouldn't matter so much if: a) GNU/Linux distr

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-19 Thread Sean DALY
I'm sorry, I couldn't disagree more. The public has no idea what Sugar is. Believe me, without marketing, that won't change. We're just at the beginning, and for now paying marketing expenses out of pocket. The Sugar on a Stick name and what it means wouldn't matter so much if: a) GNU/Linux distr

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-19 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
I /really, really dislike/ this setting that replies only to the one sender... :-) Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: > sugaronastick.com is Caroline Meeks, so I believe we are OK there > as to the .org, it would be a certain Peter Robinson (?) > > Anyway, while marketing might be a Good Thing when our hea

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-19 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/19 Chris Ball : >   "Should Sugar Labs be a Linux distributor, rather than just an >   upstream producing Sugar releases?" > >   "Should SL be neutral about distributions containing Sugar, and >   refuse to endorse one over another?" > >   "Should 'Sugar on a Stick' be a phrase that SL asks

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >   > Chris, I think your strategy for reaching consensus on this issue >   > is a good one, but somewhat at odds with our rules of governance. > > Thanks.  You're right; I'd missed that. > >   > "The Oversight Board will selecting members

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Chris, I think your strategy for reaching consensus on this issue > is a good one, but somewhat at odds with our rules of governance. Thanks. You're right; I'd missed that. > "The Oversight Board will selecting members for the Decision > Panel... A Decision Panel will solicit

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Walter Bender
Chris, I think your strategy for reaching consensus on this issue is a good one, but somewhat at odds with our rules of governance. According to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance#Decision_Panels I think we should be the Oversight Board is responsible for convening a Decision Panel

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Chris Ball
Hi all, > Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an > "official" answer on this. Soon. > > Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs > distributes a Sugar-centric GNU/Linux distribution? Martin Dengler has persuaded me that having SLOBs vote

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Luke Faraone
On 2009-09-16, Daniel Drake wrote: > > 2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas : > > I wonder, though, if the current SoaS is going to be the primary LiveUSB > > distribution of Sugar supported by upstream (known as SoaS). > I think Sugar should treat all downstreams equally, so there would be > no primary d

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas : > Args! I notice that what I asked could have been misunderstood. I didn't > mean to imply SoaS being only way of distributing Sugar. That's out of > question and was never my intention. I apologize for any confusion if this > feeling has been created. I don't think

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 17:11, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 16:24, Daniel Drake  wrote: >>> >>> 2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas: Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an "official" answer on this. Soon.

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 16:24, Daniel Drake wrote: >> 2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas: >>> Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an >>> "official" answer on this. Soon. >>> >>> Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a >>> S

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Caroline Meeks
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 16:24, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas : >> Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an >> "official" answer on this. Soon. >> >> Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a >> Sugar-centric GNU/Linux dist

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread David Farning
As Sean and Martin point out the consequences of this decision extend past SoaS. The effects seem to centre on four levels: 1. Procedural. 2. Mission, Vision, and Values. 3. Operations. 4. SoaS the project. As we work through the levels, a pretty good decision _should_ emerge. Procedural-- As a

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-15 Thread Sean DALY
Sebastian - I cannot speak as a SLOB (only a candidate ;-) but I sense that this an important question for everyone to deal with. As you know I believe Sugar on a Stick to be a pillar of our marketing/PR effort, reaching out to teachers (probably geeky teachers first) on a very wide scale. Howeve