On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:07:05PM -0400, metamel wrote:
> > All I see is a lot of unproductive reinforcement of 4. "let's talk a
> > lot about tangential stuff to the detriment of letting SLOBs get on
> > with answering the original question[1,2]".
>
> Patches welcome.
You're replying to one. I
> All I see is a lot of unproductive reinforcement of 4. "let's talk a
> lot about tangential stuff to the detriment of letting SLOBs get on
> with answering the original question[1,2]".
Patches welcome.
Process and product are both important; the former builds our capacity
to get on with making
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 08:06:43AM -0500, David Farning wrote:
> This sets several important [precedents]:
> Delegate authority - In this case the soas project can define its
> own future. And the marketing team can define its own marketing
> strategy.
This is not the precedent. Authority has no
Thanks for the update, Sean!
The mailing list is up - details on the conversation are posted at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick#Make_a_SoaS_mailing_list.
In short: people talked, consensus was reached, stuff happened. We're
getting better at this - and are close to finishing the
Mel, Sebastian, Walter, Bernie, David and the others, thanks for that
ad-hoc yet fruitful IRC discussion tonight. I trust someone can post
the transcript? Meetbot seemed revived.
I fully support the new list as a gathering place for any liveUSB
Sugar project, even if Sebastian's project is and wil
> The mailing list in question is for developers... on the specific
> existing project. Googling "Sugar on a Stick" will find (as it finds
> today) the Sugar Labs website and the download page.
I interpreted the mailing list in question as being primarily for
developers of *any* SoaS, with the cur
But marketing discussions are already on the Sugar Labs marketing
list. There's Sugar Labs marketing, nothing specific to SoaS. SoaS is
the pillar of the marketing strategy, but in the Sugar Labs picture.
The mailing list in question is for developers... on the specific
existing project. Googling
I thought about that, but in that case it wouldn't be appropriate for
Sebastian or anyone associated with Fedora or any other distro for
that matter to moderate the list; the moderator would need to be
distro-independent. Would the list also be open to any alternate
liveUSB Sugar project? This seem
In my view, the mailing list should be called "SoaS-Fedora". That's
the specific project the mailing list is intended to support, and we
haven't reached consensus that "Sugar on a Stick" should always refer
to the Fedora liveUSB project. Although that's clearly the case today
and for the forseeable
Yes, thanks Mel & Tomeu, it is certainly the case that I need clarity
too, since the Sugar Labs message is part of a strategy designed to
achieve massive adoption of Sugar beyond OLPC, while supporting the
latter.
Sugar on GNU/Linux alone cannot be a vector of massive adoption, but
SoaS (as I defi
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> Mel Chua wrote:
>> There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to
>> summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my
>> apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-)
>>
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.o
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 14:36, Mel Chua wrote:
>>> Sebastien's original question[2] is unanswered perhaps because it's
>>> been deemed maybe-already-answered[3] or "peripheral"
>>
>> To the contrary, it seems to me that it remains unanswered only
>> because it has been deemed a very important ques
>> Sebastien's original question[2] is unanswered perhaps because it's
>> been deemed maybe-already-answered[3] or "peripheral"
>
> To the contrary, it seems to me that it remains unanswered only
> because it has been deemed a very important question, one worth formal
> consideration by a decision
Mel Chua wrote:
> There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to
> summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my
> apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-)
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick
>
> By my count, there are 4 things we n
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Martin Dengler
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:03:37AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
>
> Sebastien's original question[2] is unanswered perhaps because it's
> been deemed maybe-already-answered[3] or "peripheral"
To the contrary, it seems to me that it remains unansw
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 07:35:25AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
> This is a convincing demonstration of the utter failure in
> decision-making.
This is overly harsh, sorry.
> Martin
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:03:37AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
> Ok - then the situation is this, then:
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ASugar_on_a_Stick&diff=37874&oldid=37820
>
> It looks like "the SoaS team" is unblocked
I don't see how "the SoaS team" was ever blocked on the thin
Ok - then the situation is this, then:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ASugar_on_a_Stick&diff=37874&oldid=37820
It looks like "the SoaS team" is unblocked - now all that remains is
for "the SoaS team members" to identify themselves (I'd suggest just
requesting and joining a separat
Hi Mel that wiki page is helpful
To my knowledge, "Sugar on a Stick" has not been trademarked yet by
Sugar Labs; my position is that it should be.
Sugar on a Stick is the heart of the Sugar Labs strategy for spreading
Sugar use beyond OLPC. Although other technical solutions are
promising, at thi
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 08:30, Mel Chua wrote:
>> There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to
>> summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my
>> apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-)
>>
>
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 08:30, Mel Chua wrote:
> There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to
> summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my
> apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-)
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick
>
> By m
There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to
summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my
apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-)
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick
By my count, there are 4 things we need to decide on and then ex
> I can understand why a teacher may not be interested in this discussion.
> Still, the debate is also very relevant. It's about how we're going to
> address your aunt's concerns.
The debate is definitely very relevant, and I'm glad we're having it.
> Think of it this way: nobody wants to know ho
With all due respect, I see this is a great idea, but a little late and
a sort of unfunded mandate, uh?
This should and should have been funded with G1G1 money at the very
least, or even with some desperate fundraising. Such a group doing such
a vital thing will not happen "for free" unless th
I think you're right on the money.
I can understand why a teacher may not be interested in this discussion.
Still, the debate is also very relevant. It's about how we're going to
address your aunt's concerns.
Think of it this way: nobody wants to know how sausage is made, right? Well,
we're t
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:21:34AM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote:
> From: "Mel Chua"
> > [make SoaS friendly/consistent/sustainable]
>
> This is exactly the kind of feedback SoaS and deployment teams
> need. Kudos!
I'm not sure why you see it as relevant. You're only right insofar as
SoaS aims to mak
Mel - thanks for this delightful and thoughtful post. I agree with
most of the points you and your aunt raise.
Ben says, about 'Friendly' and 'Consistent':
> These two things sound pretty much the same to me.
> They also sound absolutely impossible, taken strictly.
> Taking a more relaxed interpr
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 05:38, Mel Chua wrote:
> I read the multiple "future of SoaS" discussions on this mailing list
> and... to be honest, I was frustrated and didn't quite know how to
> respond.
>
> So I called my aunt Lynne May (I stay with her family when I'm in
> Boston). She's been a teach
Mel Chua wrote:
> Friendly.
>
> Is there a one-stop shop I can go to where my problems will be fixed
> immediately?
...
> Consistent.
...
> And the support experience needs to be consistent. As explained above,
> teachers need to know that no matter what their problem is, if they
> spend 2 minut
I read the multiple "future of SoaS" discussions on this mailing list
and... to be honest, I was frustrated and didn't quite know how to
respond.
So I called my aunt Lynne May (I stay with her family when I'm in
Boston). She's been a teacher for over 15 years. She teaches first
grade. (I've been s
2009/9/15 Philippe Clérié :
>>
>> So you probably disagreed with my statement that SoaS is not about
>> installing user files to a hard drive. Or do you mean having the Base
>> OS on the drive, but the user files/activities directory on a stick?
>
> My use case does not require the user's environm
>
> So you probably disagreed with my statement that SoaS is not about
> installing user files to a hard drive. Or do you mean having the Base
> OS on the drive, but the user files/activities directory on a stick?
My use case does not require the user's environment to be portable. At least
for
2009/9/14 Philippe Clérié :
> +1
>
> I made a similar suggestion a couple of weeks back.
>
> Thinking as someone who will probably be in it up to his neck, on the
> teaching side, what I would like to see is a polished distribution,
> installable on a hard disk, released once a year around April-Ma
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:05, Peter Robinson wrote:
> I would prefer to filter messages client side rather than having
> something enforced on me.
>
Er, it's not *enforced*, as if you don't specify any topic you'll get all
mail sent to the list. Please see the help text Kevin posted earlier in
b
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Luke Faraone wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:56, Walter Bender
> wrote:
>>
>> To Martin's point, how about the routine use of a filterable tag,
>> [SoaS] , in the Subject to messages appropriately routed to either
>> IAEP or Devel or both?
>
> I just create
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