Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-09-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'm not 100% certain we've pulled in members of the OLSR mailing lists on this thread yet. But they've actually got a number of very impressive *real world* demonstrations of OLSRd in the wild. You'll have to search the devel@ archives for 'olsr' to find the emails I sent years ago with all the

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org wrote: Where Mesh != 802.11s but rather an adhoc, self healing, self organizing routable network. Cerebro gave a great working demo of what you describe. Don't know how they compare. I think it is perfectly feasible to achieve

[IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Where Mesh != 802.11s but rather an adhoc, self healing, self organizing routable network. Imagine a world where Sugar on a Stick machines can communicate on the same network as an XO laptop. A world where mesh capabilities are hardware agnostic allowing anyone to bring up a mesh network

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Reuben, Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our closed source firmware and partnering with communities like Freifunk whose network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is almost 10k nodes in Barcelona, Athens Wireless is 5k nodes. The fact that a custom mesh

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Aug 24, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Chris Ball wrote: The fact that a custom mesh algorithm would have to run on the CPU -- prohibiting any kind of idle-suspend -- makes it a non-starter for an XO deployment in my eyes. Did you have any thoughts on this? Hi Chris, Great point. Thank you for

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
On Aug 24, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: On 08/24/2010 10:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our closed source firmware and partnering with communities like Freifunk whose network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is almost 10k

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Richard A. Smith wrote: On 08/24/2010 10:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our closed source firmware and partnering with communities like Freifunk whose network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is almost 10k

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
On Aug 24, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: On 08/24/2010 10:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our closed source firmware and partnering with communities like Freifunk whose network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is almost 10k

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
The largest of our mesh problems did not have to do with scalability on sheer number of nodes but rather scalability in density. Is there any information available on how these networks perform when there are 50 - 100 of them next all in the same room or in adjacent rooms? Yes! And the

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: I'm not talking about comparison to our previous mesh. Thanks keeping me on track. I'm talking about comparison to an AP. Overall we currently don't have much need for mesh as most of our scenarios are a dense cloud of children in

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
(...) BTW Richard, as far as I remember the problems with 802.11s seemed to be: 1) the standard is not a standard and it was intentionally crippled 2) the drivers were very b0rked and broken (and Marvel did a terrible job with the driver software) Scalability to less than 30 laptops

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:26:23 am Chris Ball wrote: Hi Reuben, Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our closed source firmware and partnering with communities like Freifunk whose network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is almost 10k nodes in Barcelona,

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Richard A. Smith wrote: The largest of our mesh problems did not have to do with scalability on sheer number of nodes but rather scalability in density. Is there any information available on how these networks perform when there are 50 - 100 of them next

Re: [IAEP] Mesh Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Richard A. Smith wrote: The largest of our mesh problems did not have to do with scalability on sheer number of nodes but rather scalability in density. Is there any information available on how these