Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-14 Thread David Van Assche
The biggest job in things like Moodle and its courses is really categorisation and the best way to go about doing this. You often end up restructuring the whole menu system over and over as subjects and languages pop up, ans subcatagories seem to move from location to location. For example, the

Re: [IAEP] Moodle Integration Status - Was Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-14 Thread David Van Assche
I believe Dennis Daniels has done a lot of work in this area, at least the screencasts part of it. I've forwarded this mail to him to so he can tell you what, if anything he's got, and if not, he'll probably be glad to create something. David On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Caroline Meeks

[IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.85.6 Development Release

2009-09-14 Thread Simon Schampijer
Dear Sugar Community, This is the last development release in the 0.86 release cycle - see the 0.86 schedule [1] for more details. Note, that we are one week away from our final release! Please test the landed features [2] carefully (the individual Feature pages contain test cases). Please

Re: [IAEP] OOO4kids running

2009-09-14 Thread Albert Cahalan
s.boutayeb at free.fr writes: OpenOffice for Kids (OOO4Kids) is available ... http://olpc-france.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Ooo4kids2.png On the subject of adapting software for kids... Good: eliminating or enlarging fiddly things that are hard to control with the mouse (ESPECIALLY WHEN

Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
Some notes I think may be interesting. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote: For the Moodle advocates. I am a big Moodle fan. But I don't think its our right now solution for the work we are talking about doing. 1. Our target, elementary school

Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-14 Thread Caroline Meeks
Thank Martin! Your email really helped me. Here is my current thinking on lesson plans (not courses) Dimension - Lesson Plans can be found. Level 1 - People who did lesson plans have notes in varies places, if you want to replicate what someone else has done you have to find them and ask them

Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Thank Martin! Your email really helped me. No prob. I generally agree w your notes, except that reuse is heavily crossed by - languages and dialects - local culture, mores and MoE study programme not sure what

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Project Guidelines posted

2009-09-14 Thread David Farning
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 12:25 -0500, David Farning wrote: Project/SIGs are product focused.  The exist to help guide a project through it's life cycle.  For example, there has recently been some rather heated discussions

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Sean DALY
As long as no one (including developers) is confused that SoaS release 1( Strawberry) alias SoaS-2 is running Sugar v0.84 and Fedora 11. I'm just wondering why SoaS-2 is in use... non-initiates will assume that means SoaS release 2 (Blueberry), don't you think? thanks Sean On Mon, Sep 14,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Project Guidelines posted

2009-09-14 Thread Bryan Berry
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 09:21 -0500, David Farning wrote: The work going on in Nepal is one of the primary reasons for establishing SIGs and projects. Nepal is doing an amazing job of creating solutions for local problems. Sigs/projects are a place where deployments can share ideas and work

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:32:55PM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: == What is SoaS? == [...] SoaS aims to make it easy for local deployers to provide each student with a thumbdrive (stick) [...] Notably, this does not say SoaS is Sugar Labs' way of providing [anyone]

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:32:55PM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: == What is SoaS? == [...] SoaS aims to make it easy for local deployers to provide each student with a thumbdrive (stick) [...] Notably, this does not say SoaS is Sugar Labs' way of providing [anyone] with a [image to put on

[IAEP] Webtech SIG was Re: [Sugar-devel] Project Guidelines posted

2009-09-14 Thread Bryan Berry
on a related note, I would love to see a broader webtech SIG focused on bringing web technologies to Sugar. W/ the likelihood of hardware acceleration for webkit and gecko in the next couple years, we ignore these technologies at our peril. Mihai Sucan believes that js+html5 application

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Project Guidelines posted

2009-09-14 Thread David Farning
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 09:21 -0500, David Farning wrote: The work going on in Nepal is one of the primary reasons for establishing SIGs and projects.  Nepal is doing an amazing job of creating solutions for local problems.

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: As long as no one (including developers) is confused that SoaS release 1( Strawberry) alias SoaS-2 is running Sugar v0.84 and Fedora 11. I'm just wondering why SoaS-2 is in use... non-initiates will assume that means SoaS

[IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
This document is an open letter written to the Sugar Labs community. It is an attempt to clear up the recent confusion about SoaS and let community members know what SoaS is, what our goals are with regards to it, and what possibilities we're considering for the future - both technical and

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:17:42AM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: [non-release-naming issue] Please take this to the mailing list to which it belongs: sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org. Bill Bogstad Martin pgphosDgskPkK.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: +1 to pretty much your whole message. I would like a little clarification though on the boundaries of SoaS. My interpretation is as follows: SoaS takes the XO 1-1 model and replaces the one machine per student

Re: [IAEP] What Activity Is This?

2009-09-14 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Caryl, On 14 Sep 2009, at 18:07, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Folks, I'm just checking over the things left on the journals on the XO M- stock machines I lent to the Bozeman and Billings (MT) LUGS. Someone in Billings left this. What is it? The journal says it is Audio by Cracker (the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Short Term Action Items: * We create a SoaS mailing list. * We establish the SoaS development team. if you split off sugar-dev, to reach the involved people you either have to crosspost all the time, or get everyone

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick (was [Sugar-Devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick)

2009-09-14 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Short Term Action Items: * We create a SoaS mailing list. * We establish the SoaS development team. if you split off sugar-dev, to

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick (was [Sugar-Devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick)

2009-09-14 Thread Luke Faraone
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:56, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: To Martin's point, how about the routine use of a filterable tag, [SoaS] , in the Subject to messages appropriately routed to either IAEP or Devel or both? I just created a Sugar on a Stick topic on Sugar-Devel's

Re: [IAEP] What Activity Is This?

2009-09-14 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi Gary, I doubt the file was downloaded. It was just a little noise and there was a photo like we get when we do the Audio recordings in Record. That screenshot got corrupted b/c I took the USB drive out too soon. I could try to get it again if no one can figure this out. Caryl

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick (was [Sugar-Devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick)

2009-09-14 Thread Kevin Cole
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 14:04, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:56, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: To Martin's point, how about the routine use of a filterable tag, [SoaS] , in the Subject to messages appropriately routed to either IAEP or Devel or

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, what's your take? Can we retire SoaS-{1,2,3} or fold them into the public v1, v2 numbers? Okay, let me shed some light in here, though I think this has already been discussed in length. In the early days when I started working on SoaS, we still had internal builds

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick (was [Sugar-Devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick)

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Bogstad
b On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:56, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: To Martin's point, how about the routine use of a filterable tag, [SoaS] , in the Subject to messages appropriately routed to either IAEP or

[IAEP] Another article that could probably use some measured response.

2009-09-14 Thread Kevin Cole
This may have already come up in the 680 unread messages I have in my inbox... If so, my apologies. A researcher in my office subscribes to Miller-McCune magazine, whose slogan is Turning Research into Solutions. After seeing last week's presentation by SJ et al, he handed me an article from

Re: [IAEP] Another article that could probably use some measured response.

2009-09-14 Thread Walter Bender
Oscar Becerra addresses some of the issues raised in the article in his response the the UN Foundation blog of last week: http://www.undispatch.com/node/8859#comment-346 -walter On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Kevin Cole dc.l...@gmail.com wrote: This may have already come up in the 680 unread

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick (was [Sugar-Devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick)

2009-09-14 Thread Luke Faraone
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I would prefer to filter messages client side rather than having something enforced on me. Er, it's not *enforced*, as if you don't specify any topic you'll get all mail sent to the list. Please see the help text Kevin

Re: [IAEP] Another article that could probably use some measured response.

2009-09-14 Thread forster
This article quotes the study of Romanian students which found that computers lowered learning outcomes I believe this study is flawed and its conclusions suspect http://tonyforster.blogspot.com/2008/06/home-pcs-lower-education-results.html Tony This may have already come up in the 680

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 06:33:47PM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:32:55PM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: == What is SoaS? == [...] SoaS aims to make it easy for local deployers to provide each student with a

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread David Farning
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 06:33:47PM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:32:55PM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: == What is SoaS? == [...] SoaS

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Sebastian Dziallas wrote: So my vision is that this SoaS is actually *the* way of distributing Sugar, as a SL product. If Sugar Labs doesn't think so, I'd have preferred to be informed much earlier. I don't think you're likely to find much support for that vision as phrased. I think this

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Sebastian Dziallas wrote: So my vision is that this SoaS is actually *the* way of distributing Sugar, as a SL product. If Sugar Labs doesn't think so, I'd have preferred to be informed much earlier. I

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:12:46PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Sebastian Dziallas wrote: So my vision is that this SoaS is actually *the* way of distributing Sugar, as a SL product. If Sugar Labs doesn't think so, I'd have preferred to be informed much earlier. I don't think you're

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Philippe Clérié
+1 I made a similar suggestion a couple of weeks back. Thinking as someone who will probably be in it up to his neck, on the teaching side, what I would like to see is a polished distribution, installable on a hard disk, released once a year around April-May. That will give me all summer to

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Philippe Clérié
SoaS is a great way to distribute Sugar, but it will certainly never be *the* way, as long as all these other people are around, working hard on other distribution mechanisms. But, it could *the* way SugarLabs does it. As you correctly point out, other people will always be able to do

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:05:08PM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: So my vision is that this SoaS is actually *the* way of distributing Sugar, as a SL product. If Sugar Labs doesn't think so, I'd have preferred to be informed much earlier. But wait, who's SL here? Is it me? Is it SLOBs?

Re: [IAEP] Another article that could probably use some measured response.

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Kerr
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Kevin Cole dc.l...@gmail.com wrote: This may have already come up in the 680 unread messages I have in my inbox... If so, my apologies. A researcher in my office subscribes to Miller-McCune magazine, whose slogan is Turning Research into Solutions. After

Re: [IAEP] Another article that could probably use some measured response.

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Kerr
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Kevin Cole dc.l...@gmail.com wrote: This may have already come up in the 680 unread messages I have in my inbox... If so, my apologies. A researcher in my office subscribes to

Re: [IAEP] installation problem

2009-09-14 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, roberto robert...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 16:19, robertorobert...@gmail.com wrote: hello everyone i am trying to install sugar-on-a-stick using the process

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Philippe Clérié wrote: SoaS is a great way to distribute Sugar, but it will certainly never be *the* way, as long as all these other people are around, working hard on other distribution mechanisms. But, it could *the* way SugarLabs does it. As you correctly point out, other people will

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Bogstad
2009/9/14 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: +1 I made a similar suggestion a couple of weeks back. Thinking as someone who will probably be in it up to his neck, on the teaching side, what I would like to see is a polished distribution, installable on a hard disk, released once a year

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Sebastian Dziallas wrote: So my vision is that this SoaS is actually *the* way of distributing Sugar, as a SL product. If Sugar Labs doesn't think so, I'd have preferred to be informed much earlier. I don't think you're likely to find much support for that vision

Re: [IAEP] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:12:46PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Sebastian Dziallas wrote: So my vision is that this SoaS is actually *the* way of distributing Sugar, as a SL product. If Sugar Labs doesn't think so, I'd have preferred to be informed much earlier.

[IAEP] Real music learning in The Beatles: Rock Band

2009-09-14 Thread Edward Cherlin
Alan Kay has complained loudly about Guitar Hero and other music games that pretend to let you play guitar, where the guitar controller has only five buttons for notes, instead of six strings crossing more than 20 frets. It doesn't transfer into real music performance. The claim is now being made