Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten

2009-06-17 Thread Albert Cahalan
Tony Forster writes: > Nobody knows the age limit on teaching graphical programming. > > Experience with Scratch and GameMaker is that it works at the whole of a > class down to grade 3 though I have had smart individuals down to grade 1. > But I note that the cognitive load is higher for these pr

[IAEP] Correct mailing list was Re: [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread David Farning
We have seriously hijacked the original thread:( This has not been much of an issue because the lists have been low enough traffic that everyone was able to keep track of everything. For the first six months, everyone in the project went to every irc meeting. As a result a lot of stuff was decid

[IAEP] Fwd: [support-gang] OLPCorps blogs

2009-06-17 Thread Sameer Verma
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Sameer Verma Date: Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [support-gang] OLPCorps blogs To: "Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to \"help AT laptop.org\"" Cc: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org, grassro...@lists.laptop.org On Wed, Jun

Re: [IAEP] The Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread David Farning
Should we start an infrastructure on FLOSS Manuals for the Grannies Guide. The big advantages are: it will be print ready any existing and future documention tools will be able to access the materials It could be finished up at the book sprint this Fall. david 2009/6/17 Martin Dengler : > On Wed

Re: [IAEP] Squeakfest Registration is open

2009-06-17 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi Rita Will Squeakfest have an "Unconference" similar to NECC Unplugged? It would be great for those who can't come to LA in August (it is hot them). They are using Elluminate and I believe Steve Hargadon is in charge. Links: http://www.neccunplugged.com/ http://www.elluminate.com/

Re: [IAEP] learning implode...

2009-06-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
How about writing this up for OLPC News? On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: > My daughter, who is 3 years and 7 months old has largely stayed away > from the XO (or for that matter computers in general) other than > mimicking me by turning on the XO and giving our guests/visitors

[IAEP] {Disarmed} Squeakfest Registration is open

2009-06-17 Thread Rita Freudenberg
Squeakfest Registration is Open! Registration is now open for both Squeakfest USA 2009 (Los Angeles: August 10,11,12) and Squeakfest Brasil 2009 (Porto Alegre: July 23, 24, 25). Squeakfest USA registration costs $100, or $125 if payment is received after August 1st. Squeakfest Brasil reg

Re: [IAEP] The Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:34:02AM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > Tell "Grannie" about it too! I will muddle my way through it this > week and write a short "Grannie's Guide To Running SoaS on your XO." > I guess I will have to include a "guide to getting a developer key > for your XO." I (and it

Re: [IAEP] The Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi... Tell "Grannie" about it too! I will muddle my way through it this week and write a short "Grannie's Guide To Running SoaS on your XO." I guess I will have to include a "guide to getting a developer key for your XO." Explaining techie things to non-techie folks is something I can do

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.06.2009, at 14:09, Martin Dengler wrote: > No, that's not the problem. It's people that don't know that they > don't know what they're doing. My point is that I think we're > worrying about people that a) want to be testers; and b) are so keen > that they go copy-nanding (after getting a d

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 01:38:32PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 17.06.2009, at 12:56, Martin Dengler wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:41:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >>> What if we developers only announce in developer-oriented forums and > >>> someone else (marketing tea

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: An interesting project I stumbled across

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Frederick Grose wrote: > http://www.wizzydigital.org/index.html Wizzy Digital Courier is right in the middle of my longer-term plans. A quick google shows a few pages I've written in the wiki about it. Not that I'm original. When I joined OLPC, Jim Gettys toured m

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > Reading the docs, I think that jidgo will allow the user to download > (say) a .iso and a .img (NAND) file by downloading the files that are > contained in them and then re-assembling the .iso and .img files? You might need to track the iso

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.06.2009, at 12:56, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:41:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >>> What if we developers only announce in developer-oriented forums and >>> someone else (marketing team?) takes the task of communicating it to >>> end users? > [...] >> I suggest

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:41:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >What if we developers only announce in developer-oriented forums and > >someone else (marketing team?) takes the task of communicating it to > >end users? [...] > I suggest transforming it into this instead: > > Beware of the t

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:24:51PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Martin > Dengler wrote: > >> It seems build engineers go to a a lot of effort to create multiple > >> ginormous downloads in .img/.usb/.iso/.bootable.gz formats when > >> they're 99% the same files

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:34:40AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:30, Sean DALY wrote: >> In my view it's never a mistake to indicate that a procedure will >> wipe all data. >> >> We all have a learning curve and the first

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: >> It seems build engineers go to a a lot of effort to create multiple >> ginormous downloads in .img/.usb/.iso/.bootable.gz formats when >> they're 99% the same files laid out in different file system(s) with >> appropriate boot, config, and

Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten

2009-06-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:42, Tony Forster wrote: > > Yes, reminds me of Vanuatu, their local language is spoken the village, > Bislama is the > national language but the language of instruction may be English or French. > I doubt we > would ever see localisation down to the local language level,

Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten

2009-06-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.06.2009, at 11:42, Tony Forster wrote: >> Nobody knows the age limit on teaching graphical programming. > > > Experience with Scratch and GameMaker is that it works at the whole > of a class down to > grade 3 though I have had smart individuals down to grade 1. But I > note that the > cog

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Sean DALY
You know where to find me :-) On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > On 06/17/2009 11:34 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:30, Sean DALY  wrote: >>> >>> In my view it's never a mistake to indicate that a procedure will wipe >>> all data. >>> >>> We all

[IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten

2009-06-17 Thread Tony Forster
>It's working. You can see the palettes at >http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/c/cd/Iconic_Turtle_Art.odt >I'll extract some Journal entries using these tiles tomorrow and post >them, along with a bundle of .svg files of tiles and palettes with >installation instructions. Thanks, that's great ne

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 06/17/2009 11:34 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:30, Sean DALY wrote: >> In my view it's never a mistake to indicate that a procedure will wipe all >> data. >> >> We all have a learning curve and the first time I lost all my Journal >> entries including photos on an XO I w

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:30, Sean DALY wrote: > In my view it's never a mistake to indicate that a procedure will wipe all > data. > > We all have a learning curve and the first time I lost all my Journal > entries including photos on an XO I wasn't happy about it. I think we shouldn't put the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Sean DALY
In my view it's never a mistake to indicate that a procedure will wipe all data. We all have a learning curve and the first time I lost all my Journal entries including photos on an XO I wasn't happy about it. Sean On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 a

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:40:31AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 17.06.2009, at 10:28, S Page wrote: > > Nooo, I want to keep my working 8.2.1 in NAND. Can I simply boot my > > XO from the USB or SD card? > > No, these images are meant for NAND install. For USB/SD we'd need yet > anoth

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 01:28:58AM -0700, S Page wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sebastian Dziallas > wrote: > > > I'm very pleased to announce the first early preview of a new generation > > of SoaS XO-1 images. > Excellent news, thanks! > > > Put them on a USB key or a SD card, plug

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.06.2009, at 10:28, S Page wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sebastian Dziallas > wrote: > >> I'm very pleased to announce the first early preview of a new >> generation >> of SoaS XO-1 images. > Excellent news, thanks! I indeed! >> Put them on a USB key or a SD card, plug them

Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten

2009-06-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:19, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 17.06.2009, at 09:32, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:08 PM, wrote: > >> > >> I think the mathematics blocks are best left as is. > > > > I insist on using ÷ rather than /, and I want to try other math > > symbols

Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten

2009-06-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.06.2009, at 09:32, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:08 PM, wrote: >> >> I think the mathematics blocks are best left as is. > > I insist on using ÷ rather than /, and I want to try other math > symbols. Though you would have to localize them. Kids around here learn · a

[IAEP] learning implode...

2009-06-17 Thread Sameer Verma
My daughter, who is 3 years and 7 months old has largely stayed away from the XO (or for that matter computers in general) other than mimicking me by turning on the XO and giving our guests/visitors an unexpected short speech on "let me show you this computer. This is the one laptop per child". She

Re: [IAEP] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Wow, great stuff, can't wait to try this out at home!! One question though: Do I have to write the image to NAND or can I also directly boot the XO from an SD-card / USB key? Thanks and keep up the excellent work! Christoph Zitat von Sebastian Dziallas : > Hi everybody, > > I'm very pleased t

[IAEP] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Hi everybody, I'm very pleased to announce the first early preview of a new generation of SoaS XO-1 images. Those consist not only of the latest and greatest Sugar bits, but also a F11 base system and a special OLPC kernel based on 2.6.30. This means now that even power management actually wor

Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten

2009-06-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:08 PM, wrote: > Edward wrote > > "I am working on a version of Turtle Art > that will use icons rather than text labels on the tiles, and I want > to test how much of it the preliterate can grasp, and what we can > teach using that capability. We can demonstrate many topi