Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.87.7 Development Release --- Release Candidate
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 08:34:20AM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote: Dear Sugar Community, This is our 0.88 Release Candidate! The Features have been landed, we are in UI and String freeze and only critical bug fixes can be landed by now. Many thanks to the community members that helped in the last days to clean up the review queue and fixing bugs! Now it is time for another big round of testing and fixing the bugs found. Let's go and make this release a big success! See [1] for more 0.88 schedule details. All the details about the code changes in this particular release can be seen at [2]. We are currently doing nightly soas builds [3]. there is also Karmic based ppa with 0.87.7 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu#Sugar-0.88_on_Ubuntu_9.10_.28karmic.29 The current build does not contain the 0.87.7 release yet, I will send another note when it landed, though you can certainly start to test the latest build and find possible bugs that has not been fixed with this release. Thanks everyone for your great contributions! In behalf of the sugar community, Your Release Team [1] Schedule: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Roadmap [2] Release Notes: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/0.87.7_Notes [3] http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki design
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 22:58 -0500, Chris Leonard wrote: Although you list translate.sugarlabs.org above, it is missing in the linkbar, The linkbar is prominently visible for me at the top of the screen. I use Chromium 5.0.344, what browser were you using? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Anki - open source memorization tool.
On 11 Mar 2010, at 02:38, Caroline Meeks wrote: An open source memorization tool. Looks simple and cool and already runs on Linux, might be a good addition to Sugar. http://ichi2.net/anki/index.html Interesting, but looks way too complicated for kids (just my opinion)... it has more features than our Sugarised version of abiwrite! We already have Assimilate, a flash card activity written natively for sugar from Urko Fernandez Roman, but it had little support/encouragement from the community at the time of writing and has probably bit rotted and in need of some final polish. If any one has free time and is looking for an activity to pick up and move over to Sugar labs infrastructure, the original repository is here: http://dev.laptop.org/git/activities/assimilate/ Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki design
From what I could gather, Bernie was just making suggestions for what a site wide navigation could look like. I actually like Bernie's idea of making it more like google's universal nav. I think something like the following would work well: HomeWikiDownloadActivitiesMore The more link would be a drop down of all our other sub domains. At any rate I'm almost done with http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ - so any information on how to edit the main navigation would be very helpful. We can push the changes without changing the main nav once I get finished bug checking, but I think leaving it as it is makes the wiki more confusing than it needs to be. -- Josh On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 22:58 -0500, Chris Leonard wrote: Although you list translate.sugarlabs.org above, it is missing in the linkbar, The linkbar is prominently visible for me at the top of the screen. I use Chromium 5.0.344, what browser were you using? Variously, Firefox 3.6, IE 8.0 or Safari. My point was that *translate* doesn't show in the linkbar at the top of the wiki at present, not that I don't see the linkbar. (see attached PNG). cjl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki design
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 11:40 -0500, Chris Leonard wrote: Variously, Firefox 3.6, IE 8.0 or Safari. My point was that *translate* doesn't show in the linkbar at the top of the wiki at present, not that I don't see the linkbar. (see attached PNG). Ah, I see! Which one do we remove to make room for translate? I vote for kicking people. I think we should have a no more than N words rule, like Google, to prevent the type of clutter that tends to from when everyone who is passing by says: let's add this link, it could be very useful. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki design
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 11:40 -0500, Chris Leonard wrote: Variously, Firefox 3.6, IE 8.0 or Safari. My point was that *translate* doesn't show in the linkbar at the top of the wiki at present, not that I don't see the linkbar. (see attached PNG). Ah, I see! Which one do we remove to make room for translate? I vote for kicking people. I think we should have a no more than N words rule, like Google, to prevent the type of clutter that tends to from when everyone who is passing by says: let's add this link, it could be very useful. Josh's notion of a Google-like more is fairly appealing, as long as it is consistent across as many *.sugarlabs.org sites as possible. As for ranking exactly which belong above the fold, I'm guessing that people doesn't get a lot of click-through, I suspect that when used, it is deep-linked. Do you have Google Analytics or something else keeping web-stats on page navigation? I'm biased in favor of translate as I try to contribute to the localization community (or translation team) and it strikes me that putting translate in the linkbar could help drive potential localizers to the Pootle server, which would be nice. cjl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki design
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 12:03 -0500, josh williams wrote: From what I could gather, Bernie was just making suggestions for what a site wide navigation could look like. I actually like Bernie's idea of making it more like google's universal nav. I think something like the following would work well: HomeWikiDownloadActivitiesMore The more link would be a drop down of all our other sub domains. Me gusta! I'm sure it would be possible to make all the links show up in a non-javascript, non-css enabled browser. At any rate I'm almost done with http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ Needless to say, I think your new skin is nice and neat. I spotted some layout problems which you may or may not be already aware of: (1) the content pane is now laid out in fixed width, and takes up half of my screen. (2) the page tab is misaligned (too mich to the left). (3) I think the font for the links on the left is a little bit too big. (4) Tables are missing vertical and horizontal lines. Only happens on Chromium, works fine on Firefox. See: http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Platform_Components (5) Tables also overflow horizontally (although it might be caused by (1)). (6) there's too much empty space above and below the Sugar Labs logo. It might be caused by the other layout problems. Note that I have a very high DPI display and therefore I configure my browsers with bigger than normal fonts. Most sites survive this, but a few break. - so any information on how to edit the main navigation would be very helpful. As Frederic Grose already suggested: See sunjammer.sugarlabs.org:/srv/www-sugarlabs/wiki-devel/skins/ShikiWiki.php, and look for span class=pLinkbar at line 125. We can push the changes without changing the main nav once I get finished bug checking, but I think leaving it as it is makes the wiki more confusing than it needs to be. These two changes can be done independently, but I agree with you. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki design
On 11 March 2010 16:58, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: We have a lot of choice of different styles: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ http://people.sugarlabs.org/ http://download.sugarlabs.org/ http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ http://activities.sugarlabs.org/ http://www.sugarlabs.org/ http://git.sugarlabs.org/ http://planet.sugarlabs.org/ http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ http://lists.sugarlabs.org/ (missing the linkbar) http://api.sugarlabs.org/ (missing the linkbar) (forgot anything?) http://idea.sugarlabs.org is also active. Tim. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki design
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 19:00 -0500, Chris Leonard wrote: Josh's notion of a Google-like more is fairly appealing, as long as it is consistent across as many *.sugarlabs.org sites as possible. As for ranking exactly which belong above the fold, I'm guessing that people doesn't get a lot of click-through, I suspect that when used, it is deep-linked. Do you have Google Analytics or something else keeping web-stats on page navigation? We do have Google Analytics, but only in wiki and aslo. For all the rest, we have awstats (password protected by your shell account password): https://secure.sugarlabs.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl I'm biased in favor of translate as I try to contribute to the localization community (or translation team) and it strikes me that putting translate in the linkbar could help drive potential localizers to the Pootle server, which would be nice. +1, by all means. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] wiki design
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM, josh williams j...@tucson-labs.comwrote: From what I could gather, Bernie was just making suggestions for what a site wide navigation could look like. I actually like Bernie's idea of making it more like google's universal nav. I think something like the following would work well: HomeWikiDownloadActivitiesMore The more link would be a drop down of all our other sub domains. At any rate I'm almost done with http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ - so any information on how to edit the main navigation would be very helpful. We can push the changes without changing the main nav once I get finished bug checking, but I think leaving it as it is makes the wiki more confusing than it needs to be. -- Josh (Dropping systems@ and adding marketing@, as this is more of a design discussion.) Thank you Josh for your contributions to Sugar Labs! I must admit that I would prefer to see a bit more of the Sugar style elements maintained or added to the Sugar Labs wiki skin. The proposed skin at http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ has lost many of the style elements found in our product, Sugar, as expressed in The Sugar Interface/Controlshttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Controls. In particular, the bold strokes of the Sugar icons on the tabs, the dark background of the Sugar toolbar with gray-scale icons, and colors holding special meaninghttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface#Imbuing_Color_with_Meaning . I like that the proposed skin includes the single-line logo (hoping also that it can be placed so that it also works with the very common monobook skin and others). Among our sister sites, my favorites for header and navigation linkbars are http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ and http://git.sugarlabs.org/ (primarily because they both seem to use bold underline strokes on the event of mouse pointer hover, and their dark backgrounds remind me of the Sugar toolbar). I'd prefer that the bright colors of links carry 'special meaning' by being revealed on hover, indicating the appropriate time for user participation, that is a click of a mouse button. The current header navigation links at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ and most of the current tab links have this behavior, but need the bolder strokes and underscores of the translate and git headers. Having the descender on the 'g' hang over the bottom of the header area at the translate does add a bit of spice, even if it flirts with the Marketing Team's Logo guidelineshttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo . In the content areas, to keep a clean, uncluttered, and easy-to-read page (especially because of descenders on the typeface), I prefer to have the underscores appear on links only when they are activated by mouse hover. In the proposed skin, compare, for example, the greater ease of reading those links on the sidebar versus the links in the table of contents box. Thank you for considering the thoughts and preferences I've presented above. --Fred ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Response to Intervention - Is this being used outside the US?
This is a simple, yet powerful idea of tracking student progress in real time and trying different interventions to see what works. I give a brief three minute description here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI95fgBnJWI There is a great deal on the web about RTI but everything I have seen in class or on the web is US. I'm wondering if maybe a similar concept is being used under a different name else where? Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Response to Intervention - Is this being used outside the US?
Caroline Thanks for bring this to my attention, you have done a good video presentation of it. Testing (and tailoring instruction as a response) is coming back into fashion in Australia. Australia seems to lag the US in this. The US has had the No Child Left Behind for a while now, which has an emphasis on testing. The Australian government has just introduced the Myschool site http://www.myschool.edu.au/ which lists schools by their two yearly test results. The results are moderated by the school's socioeconomic status. The justification is that it rewards effective teaching and gives parents the opportunity to vote with their feet. The strongest argument against is that any easily administered testing is biased towards lower level skills (as defined in Bloom's taxonomy). That would be OK, depending on how the data is used. Any attempt to modify teaching in response, biases the teaching towards the lower level skills. In the Australian case, schools will be forced to confine their teaching to lower order skills to maintain their ranking, preserve enrolments and avoid criticism and funding cuts. In the case of RTI, it risks defining student progress by a narrow subset of education skills and overly concentrating teaching on this narrow subset. Tony This is a simple, yet powerful idea of tracking student progress in real time and trying different interventions to see what works. I give a brief three minute description here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI95fgBnJWI There is a great deal on the web about RTI but everything I have seen in class or on the web is US. I'm wondering if maybe a similar concept is being used under a different name else where? Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax This is a simple, yet powerful idea of tracking student progress in real time and trying different interventions to see what works.divbr/divdivI give a brief three minute description here:�a href=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI95fgBnJWI;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI95fgBnJWI/a/div divbr/divdivThere is a great deal on the web about RTI but everything I have seen in class or on the web is US. �I'm wondering if maybe a similar concept is being used under a different name else where?/div div br/divdivThanks,/divdivCarolinebr clear=allbr-- brCaroline MeeksbrSolution Grovebrcarol...@solutiongrove.combrbr617-500-3488 - Officebr505-213-3268 - Faxbr /div ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
