Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Website Revamp IRC Meeting Sat 14th at 11:00am EST/16:00 UTC

2012-01-14 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
A few thoughts from the point of view of the newcomer.

Do we want a static web-site in front of the wiki?
Or should the web-site be kept fresh with a news / new
project / participation invited here section?
 
The logic of the shape of the wiki is sound - anyone with three month's
experience of the wiki might find it growing on them - but with little
experience how does the newcomer get to grips with it. Back office
functions are not signposted as such - or, more importantly, front of
house pages are not sufficiently highlighted as such.

Voice off, We are not rebuilding the wiki!

Perhaps explain a little the theory behind the Team and page naming
convention, but more importantly flag up and improve the ways in.

Can the web page do the front of house job?

Is Sugar like a travelling circus?

The aim is bottoms-on-seats, and the invitation is to come back stage.
What is front of house?
The auditorium is a Sugar experience,
but there are some technical hurdles just to get
in,
you may not have the technical language,
you may have to learn a bit
first.
What to learn is not
hard, but daunting to
many,
you may not know
what to expect,
or what to try.

In front of the auditorium is there a foyer?
A place for information about the coming show?
A bit of basic training?
A bit of orientation?

Having enjoyed the show - are there workshops? Improve your skills.
What's the next level?
I would like to try the high wire, what do I need to
accomplish first?

It is great that with Sugar you can talk to the fire-eaters on IRC, but
there would be potential for peer-to-peer community at teacher, student
and parent level - or does it exist already? Where?

At the developer level Sugar is commendably non-distro-specific, but to
a newcomer this makes the product less tangible.

Regarding How - as in how to get Sugar, how do we address the
intangibility of Sugar for a newcomer? Is it an operating system, is it
a program?

One idea I have is to set out a Q  A, a little like this:

I have a Windows PC, how do I try Sugar?
I have an 8 year old second / spare computer, how could I best install
Sugar.
I have an XO, how do I start to communicate with people outside my
school?
Is there a Quick start page?
I have an XO, how do I start to hack it?
I use my only computer for on-line banking and it has all my wedding
photos on it, how do I safely install Sugar?
I tried Sugar on a Stick, how do I do this partitioning thing, and have
Sugar on my hard drive?
My kids have Sugar at school, how do I help them with it?
I saw a review of Sugar, how could I try to demonstrate it at my school?
I want to start teaching with Sugar, where do I get up to speed?
If I am struggling, is there a forum, to see what others have done?

Could the web site try to provide a deliberate range of answers to such
questions, trying to flag the answers, for instance; this is the easiest
option, requires a little advance knowledge of xyz, more robust, tried
and tested, try this after doing that, active project and links to
source of preparatory knowledge?

Each answer also hopes to find a link to the wiki. If gaps in the wiki
emerge perhaps we can fill them, or a least install a placeholder. 

Where front-of-house placeholders have been established, we can try to
keep the placeholders marked and current, and/or have the ability to
update the web site with new projects and ideas.

This is all a bit haphazard - but I would be quite incapable of
contributing the ideas on IRC!

Regards,
Iain, aka inkyfingers. 

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Re: [IAEP] [ASLO] Result of test activities on Sugar 0.94.1

2012-01-14 Thread Thomas C Gilliard

Alan:

This is a very nice set of tests.

Since I last responded to your previous set of tests; I have continued 
to work on very recent activities versus  Soas-v5; Trisquel 5 Sugar 
(Toast) and SoaS-v6 using a live CD and XO-1 and XO-1.5 with the latest 
software. [1]


I tested activities using the contents of the  ASLOxo CD [2]  plus the 
current new activities announced on  the  
sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org  loaded in a 8GB USB-stick.

This is work is still in progress.

Older versions of SoaS v1-SoaS-v4 activity tests, that were done over a 
year ago, are located here [3]


I hope somehow that our work can get consolidated.
This information is very important for the community.

Cordially;

Tom Gilliard
satellit_ on #sugar IRC


[1] 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Activity_Matrix#Most_Recent-Activity_Test_Results

[2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#ASLOxo-6
[3]http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Activity_Matrix

On 01/14/2012 06:15 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote:


Hi,

Some days ago I make a complete list of the activities of the 
SugarLabs page...


Now, I make a test of the activities that only have compatibility with 
old sugar (from 0.82 to 0.88)


There are 81 activities that runs to 0.90 or 0.92 that need to be 
testeds.


I think that this activities works good... Between 0.90 to 0.94 not 
are some changes in Sugar...


Only test public activities. The experimental are 82. And without 
page: 38.


Most of the activities run correct in 0.94.1 (Ensamble 883 - Firmware: 
Q2E48).


The major problem is that sugar changes, and the developers can't 
follow the train...
In some activities, when you use the mouse, and request it, the value 
x, y were integers.. now, are
float.. the same problem in another things of the screen.. that 
waiting a integer and have a float..


I have an activity: Conozco Alimentos that have that problem.. When 
I make it, not have this

problem.. In the I know America, I fix it...

Another problem with SugarLabs page: you need make another version 
to can select between

that Sugar works...

Well.. the 
list:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntaXnq4oy2_dHpvZHhLeGRQYzc1cDlRZU9Mc1NldGc 
%20https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntaXnq4oy2_dHpvZHhLeGRQYzc1cDlRZU9Mc1NldGc


The column enters means if you can enters to the activity: the red 
means that have error while load...

or directly: not load never..

The column notes have the comments for each activity. When I said: 
log with some inecessary information
I try to say that not are errors, but are some information that not 
are useful.


I await your comments...

Regards!

Alan



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