Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

[Daniel Narvaez]

Yes with dependencies I also meant the version of them (for API
incompatible versions at least).

I'm all for getting concrete :)

On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez 
> >
> wrote:
> > Re library versions, that reminds of a point I should have put in my
> list...
> >
> > I think now that the gobject introspection migration is over upstream can
> > become more conservative about library versions. That should help both
> > distributors and developers. We are already going in that direction
> really.
> > If we add Webkit1 compatibility as discussed, I think 0.102 might have
> > pretty much the same dependencies of 0.98. The only exception is libxkb
> if I
> > remember correctly, for which introspection was really broken.
>
> In addition to dependencies there can be issues with versions of
> dependencies.
>
> Within the next couple of week we should see these fixes flow
> upstream. So we can start talking about concrete issues and examples
> rather than abstract notions. I think that will help clarify the
> discussion.
>
> AC's challenge was to quietly get a proof of concept in place which
> adds value to deployments before suggesting making changes to
> upstream. Now, AC has to clean up and abstract the proof of concept
> work to prepare it for acceptance upstream.
>
> > On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree :)
> >>
> >> Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is
> >> going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of
> >> Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom
> >> patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan (
> >> https://www.laptop.org.au/about ) are going to position One Education
> >> as the successor to OLPC-OS. I hope that we will learn more at about
> >> their plans at basecamp. ( http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/ ) This
> >> would take care or the leading edge on Fedora.
> >>
> >> On the Ubuntu side we have a bit of a challenge balancing bleeding
> >> edge and stability. Sugar and Fedora tend to run a bit ahead of Debian
> >> and Ubuntu in library versions. It take a significant amount of effort
> >> to backport the necessary libraries to Ubuntu LTS. For this release we
> >> agreed that the proper balance of innovation and stability was Sugar
> >> .98 on Ubuntu 12.04. The next decision point will be which version of
> >> Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Cool stuff.
> >> >
> >> > As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar
> >> > (stable
> >> > and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of
> >> > course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and
> >> > testing...
> >> > And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar
> release
> >> > smoother.
> >> >
> >> > On 7 November 2013 02:05, David Farning  >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Please see the link at the bottom left of
> http://dextrose.ac/platform/
> >> >> for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal
> >> >> are jointly developing.
> >> >>
> >> >> For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing
> >> >> is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I should
> >> >> work equally well on any machine that boots Ubuntu.
> >> >>
> >> >> It is currently is small scale testing by a couple hundred teachers.
> >> >> When the image meets Ceibal's quality standards the pilot will scale
> >> >> to approximately 10,000 units for wider testing.
> >> >>
> >> >> For more information, I have CC Anish Mangal, the project owner
> (agile
> >> >> speak) and Ruben Rodriguez the lead developer. Ruben has the
> strongest
> >> >> back ground on the technical issues involved in the port. Anish has
> >> >> the deepest understanding of timelines and objectives.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Narvaez 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones 
> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it
> as I
> >> >> >> > don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work
> OOTB.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box.  In Uruguay
> for
> >> >> >> example.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which
> distro?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ___
> >> >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> >> >> > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> >> > 



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Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

[David Farning]

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez  wrote:
> Re library versions, that reminds of a point I should have put in my list...
>
> I think now that the gobject introspection migration is over upstream can
> become more conservative about library versions. That should help both
> distributors and developers. We are already going in that direction really.
> If we add Webkit1 compatibility as discussed, I think 0.102 might have
> pretty much the same dependencies of 0.98. The only exception is libxkb if I
> remember correctly, for which introspection was really broken.

In addition to dependencies there can be issues with versions of dependencies.

Within the next couple of week we should see these fixes flow
upstream. So we can start talking about concrete issues and examples
rather than abstract notions. I think that will help clarify the
discussion.

AC's challenge was to quietly get a proof of concept in place which
adds value to deployments before suggesting making changes to
upstream. Now, AC has to clean up and abstract the proof of concept
work to prepare it for acceptance upstream.

> On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote:
>>
>> I agree :)
>>
>> Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is
>> going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of
>> Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom
>> patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan (
>> https://www.laptop.org.au/about ) are going to position One Education
>> as the successor to OLPC-OS. I hope that we will learn more at about
>> their plans at basecamp. ( http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/ ) This
>> would take care or the leading edge on Fedora.
>>
>> On the Ubuntu side we have a bit of a challenge balancing bleeding
>> edge and stability. Sugar and Fedora tend to run a bit ahead of Debian
>> and Ubuntu in library versions. It take a significant amount of effort
>> to backport the necessary libraries to Ubuntu LTS. For this release we
>> agreed that the proper balance of innovation and stability was Sugar
>> .98 on Ubuntu 12.04. The next decision point will be which version of
>> Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez 
>> wrote:
>> > Cool stuff.
>> >
>> > As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar
>> > (stable
>> > and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of
>> > course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and
>> > testing...
>> > And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar release
>> > smoother.
>> >
>> > On 7 November 2013 02:05, David Farning 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Please see the link at the bottom left of http://dextrose.ac/platform/
>> >> for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal
>> >> are jointly developing.
>> >>
>> >> For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing
>> >> is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I should
>> >> work equally well on any machine that boots Ubuntu.
>> >>
>> >> It is currently is small scale testing by a couple hundred teachers.
>> >> When the image meets Ceibal's quality standards the pilot will scale
>> >> to approximately 10,000 units for wider testing.
>> >>
>> >> For more information, I have CC Anish Mangal, the project owner (agile
>> >> speak) and Ruben Rodriguez the lead developer. Ruben has the strongest
>> >> back ground on the technical issues involved in the port. Anish has
>> >> the deepest understanding of timelines and objectives.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Narvaez 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I
>> >> >> > don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box.  In Uruguay for
>> >> >> example.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro?
>> >> >
>> >> > ___
>> >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
>> >> > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> David Farning
>> >> Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Daniel Narvaez
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Farning
>> Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Narvaez
>



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Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

[Daniel Narvaez]

Re library versions, that reminds of a point I should have put in my list...

I think now that the gobject introspection migration is over upstream can
become more conservative about library versions. That should help both
distributors and developers. We are already going in that direction really.
If we add Webkit1 compatibility as discussed, I think 0.102 might have
pretty much the same dependencies of 0.98. The only exception is libxkb if
I remember correctly, for which introspection was really broken.

On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote:

> I agree :)
>
> Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is
> going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of
> Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom
> patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan (
> https://www.laptop.org.au/about ) are going to position One Education
> as the successor to OLPC-OS. I hope that we will learn more at about
> their plans at basecamp. ( http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/ ) This
> would take care or the leading edge on Fedora.
>
> On the Ubuntu side we have a bit of a challenge balancing bleeding
> edge and stability. Sugar and Fedora tend to run a bit ahead of Debian
> and Ubuntu in library versions. It take a significant amount of effort
> to backport the necessary libraries to Ubuntu LTS. For this release we
> agreed that the proper balance of innovation and stability was Sugar
> .98 on Ubuntu 12.04. The next decision point will be which version of
> Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014.
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez 
> >
> wrote:
> > Cool stuff.
> >
> > As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar
> (stable
> > and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of
> > course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and
> testing...
> > And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar release
> > smoother.
> >
> > On 7 November 2013 02:05, David Farning 
> > 
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Please see the link at the bottom left of http://dextrose.ac/platform/
> >> for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal
> >> are jointly developing.
> >>
> >> For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing
> >> is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I should
> >> work equally well on any machine that boots Ubuntu.
> >>
> >> It is currently is small scale testing by a couple hundred teachers.
> >> When the image meets Ceibal's quality standards the pilot will scale
> >> to approximately 10,000 units for wider testing.
> >>
> >> For more information, I have CC Anish Mangal, the project owner (agile
> >> speak) and Ruben Rodriguez the lead developer. Ruben has the strongest
> >> back ground on the technical issues involved in the port. Anish has
> >> the deepest understanding of timelines and objectives.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Narvaez 
> >> 
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones 
> >> > >
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I
> >> >> > don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box.  In Uruguay for
> >> >> example.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro?
> >> >
> >> > ___
> >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> >> > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> David Farning
> >> Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Narvaez
>
>
>
> --
> David Farning
> Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com
>


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Re: [IAEP] New AU images to test

[Gonzalo Odiard]

Thanks, good point

Gonzalo

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Chris Leonard  wrote:
> The Aussies might like Maori included (lang mi), but ask them.
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:
>> The same languages included by default in 13.2.0
>>
>> en_US,en_AU,es,ar,pt,pt_BR,fr,ht,mn,mr_IN,am_ET,km_KH,ne_NP,ur_PK,rw,ps,fa_AF,si,zh_CN,de,hy
>>
>> Any suggestion?
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Chris Leonard  
>> wrote:
>>> Gonzalo,
>>>
>>> What languages do these images contain?
>>>
>>> cjl
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:
 I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1]
 Now, images  for all the xo models are available.
 These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU
 we already commented.
 We are proposing include them as Features  for 0.102. [2]
 As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find.

 Gonzalo

 [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images
 [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List
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Re: [IAEP] New AU images to test

[Chris Leonard]

The Aussies might like Maori included (lang mi), but ask them.

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:
> The same languages included by default in 13.2.0
>
> en_US,en_AU,es,ar,pt,pt_BR,fr,ht,mn,mr_IN,am_ET,km_KH,ne_NP,ur_PK,rw,ps,fa_AF,si,zh_CN,de,hy
>
> Any suggestion?
>
> Gonzalo
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Chris Leonard  
> wrote:
>> Gonzalo,
>>
>> What languages do these images contain?
>>
>> cjl
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:
>>> I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1]
>>> Now, images  for all the xo models are available.
>>> These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU
>>> we already commented.
>>> We are proposing include them as Features  for 0.102. [2]
>>> As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find.
>>>
>>> Gonzalo
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images
>>> [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List
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Re: [IAEP] New AU images to test

[Gonzalo Odiard]

The same languages included by default in 13.2.0

en_US,en_AU,es,ar,pt,pt_BR,fr,ht,mn,mr_IN,am_ET,km_KH,ne_NP,ur_PK,rw,ps,fa_AF,si,zh_CN,de,hy

Any suggestion?

Gonzalo

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Chris Leonard  wrote:
> Gonzalo,
>
> What languages do these images contain?
>
> cjl
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:
>> I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1]
>> Now, images  for all the xo models are available.
>> These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU
>> we already commented.
>> We are proposing include them as Features  for 0.102. [2]
>> As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find.
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images
>> [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List
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Re: [IAEP] New AU images to test

[Chris Leonard]

Gonzalo,

What languages do these images contain?

cjl

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:
> I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1]
> Now, images  for all the xo models are available.
> These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU
> we already commented.
> We are proposing include them as Features  for 0.102. [2]
> As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find.
>
> Gonzalo
>
> [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images
> [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List
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[IAEP] New AU images to test

[Gonzalo Odiard]

I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1]
Now, images  for all the xo models are available.
These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU
we already commented.
We are proposing include them as Features  for 0.102. [2]
As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find.

Gonzalo

[1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images
[2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:08 PM, David Farning
 wrote:
> I agree :)
>
> Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is
> going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of
> Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom
> patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan (
> https://www.laptop.org.au/about ) are going to position One Education
> as the successor to OLPC-OS. I hope that we will learn more at about
> their plans at basecamp. ( http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/ ) This
> would take care or the leading edge on Fedora.

No need to guess. We have put together a combination of Sugar 100 and
Fedora 18 and added some patches that we hope will land in Sugar 102
(See [1]). We've made these bits available for testing [2] and are
planning extensive testing in some classrooms in Australia this month.
We have confidence that this is the most stable build to date. We
welcome others to test and have already received feedback and bug
reports from numerous sources. As far as positioning ourselves as the
successor to OLPC-OS, I don't understand what you mean. Since we are a
small team., we have no choice but to make the correct choice to work
upstream and as broadly as possible. And of course, anyone is welcome
to leverage our efforts.

>
> On the Ubuntu side we have a bit of a challenge balancing bleeding
> edge and stability. Sugar and Fedora tend to run a bit ahead of Debian
> and Ubuntu in library versions. It take a significant amount of effort
> to backport the necessary libraries to Ubuntu LTS. For this release we
> agreed that the proper balance of innovation and stability was Sugar
> .98 on Ubuntu 12.04. The next decision point will be which version of
> Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014.

Not sure why Sugar 0.98 is considered more stable than Sugar 100. Some
specifics would be helpful in our efforts to make Sugar 102 more
stable still. Regarding the efforts support Sugar on Ubuntu, Jerry had
suggested in an earlier post that there were some places where Sugar
had hard-coded assumptions about both Fedora and OLPC hardware. It
would be helpful to upstream (and presumably to AC) if those changes
were flagged so we could fix upstream. Presumably it would save
everyone headaches (on all distros and hardware).

> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez  wrote:
>> Cool stuff.
>>
>> As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar (stable
>> and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of
>> course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and testing...
>> And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar release
>> smoother.
>>
>> On 7 November 2013 02:05, David Farning 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please see the link at the bottom left of http://dextrose.ac/platform/
>>> for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal
>>> are jointly developing.
>>>
>>> For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing
>>> is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I should
>>> work equally well on any machine that boots Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> It is currently is small scale testing by a couple hundred teachers.
>>> When the image meets Ceibal's quality standards the pilot will scale
>>> to approximately 10,000 units for wider testing.
>>>
>>> For more information, I have CC Anish Mangal, the project owner (agile
>>> speak) and Ruben Rodriguez the lead developer. Ruben has the strongest
>>> back ground on the technical issues involved in the port. Anish has
>>> the deepest understanding of timelines and objectives.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Narvaez 
>>> wrote:
>>> > On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I
>>> >> > don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box.  In Uruguay for
>>> >> example.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro?
>>> >
>>> > ___
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>>> > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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regards

-walter

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[2] http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/AU1B/
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Re: [IAEP] [Localization] Translation Manual (in Spanish)

[Chris Leonard]

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Sebastian Silva
 wrote:
> El 29/10/13 08:18, Chris Leonard escribió:
>
> Nothing would make me happier than to take myself out of the account
> creation loop, but on observing the number of dummy accounts being
> created (and activated) each day, I reluctantly took the step fo
> turning off self-serve registration to protect the integrity of the
> precious L10n work.
>
> Hi,
> I'm glad to report that you can be happy now.

That is awesome, thanks.

> Alsroot gave me access today to current pootle and I managed to
> activate the built-in captcha for registration. I created three users,
> but I'm not sure how to remove them: test, test-captcha and
> test-captcha-again.

No worries, I can delete the test users via the Admin UI.

> It will be a good idea to keep an eye on new users as maybe
> spammers can defeat some kinds of captchas. Hopefully not.

Will do.

> About the diagram shared by Laura, is it a good first step for a
> completely new language that requires it, to translate the
> glibc_helper.po file first and submit it to localization@ , or
> do you have another suggestion for a first step?

Getting the lang set up in Pootle (nplurals, plural equation, correct
ISO-639 code) is the first step.  I would add glibc-hlper.po to a lang
that needs it and it makes a fine second step.

cjl
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

[David Farning]

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:
> I'm sorry Sebastian, yes I should have been more clear about which Sebastian
> :-)
>
> At the time, Sugar was perceived as being only available on OLPC XOs, so our
> effort was designed to show that it was available for other platforms.
> Indeed, our claim has always been that it was hardware-agnostic (on Mac
> using virtualization), cf. our press releases (sl.o/press). And, SoaS as a
> marketing concept was meant to be distro-agnostic too (SuSE...), a position
> fought tooth and nail by the Fedorans by the way.
>
> Pre-tablets, when small netbooks sales were exploding, Windows was dominant
> on PCs but ran poorly or not at all on netbooks and moreover there was an
> installation barrier for Windows on GNU/Linux netbooks. We were interested
> in reaching the 92% or so of teachers using Windows and widening Sugar
> availability on machines with pre-installed GNU/Linux (all 2% or so of
> them). Microsoft and Intel worked quickly to block GNU/Linux netbooks by
> pressuring OEMs to build faster machines, then tablets arrived and killed
> off netbooks.
>
> It's unfortunate that Sugar was not fully embraced by the GNU/Linux distros
> who missed a great opportunity in the education market where Microsoft had
> and has weaknesses, but that has been a symptom of free software projects
> struggling with strategic initiatives while concentrating on technical
> aspects.

How does Sugar on Ubuntu (DXU) and Sugar on Tablets (DX experimental)
affect this equation for Sugar Labs?

> Dismal marketing has contributed to dismal desktop market share
> (Microsoft's well-documented maneuvers played a role too of course).
>
> Installation: As Peter has mentioned, SoaS can be used for installation on a
> target PC, this is documented in the wiki.
>
> Concerning translations, language selection was available in at least
> several versions of SoaS, I remember switching French and US locale and
> keyboard demoing SoaS at an Educatec-Educatice convention in Paris. I have
> no doubt that solutions are possible, but do remember that Peter has been
> continuing SoaS work singlehandedly for some time now.
>
> Looking forward, I see a dual challenge for Sugar Labs: supporting the XO
> installed base (including hopefully keeping XO-4 availability alive), and
> transitioning to the wild new world of handheld devices.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Sebastian Silva 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> El 06/11/13 17:35, Sean DALY escribió:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS!
>>
>>
>> That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and
>> Sebastian decided to take over marketing, which included coming up with
>> unmarketable names, linking with Fedora announcements, and opening a Fedora
>> hosted minisite (the "home" of SoaS), none of which was done with any
>> consultation of the SL marketing team.
>>
>> Please try to include last names, you mean Sebastian Dzallas, original
>> developer of "Sugar On A Stick".
>>
>> Now that we're on the topic... the concept "Sugar On A Stick" has several
>> problems.
>>
>> 1.- It suggests it's the only possible Sugar OS on a USB.
>> 2.- It suggests it's not a serious OS to be installed on a computer.
>> 3.- It's impossible to translate.
>> 4.- It suggests it's not regular GNU/Linux, with availability of the
>> Myriad other GNU/Linux educational tools.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian Silva
>> R+D SomosAzúcar
>> Sugar Labs Perú
>> @icarito
>>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

[Sean DALY]

I'm sorry Sebastian, yes I should have been more clear about which
Sebastian :-)

At the time, Sugar was perceived as being only available on OLPC XOs, so
our effort was designed to show that it was available for other platforms.
Indeed, our claim has always been that it was hardware-agnostic (on Mac
using virtualization), cf. our press releases (sl.o/press). And, SoaS as a
marketing concept was meant to be distro-agnostic too (SuSE...), a position
fought tooth and nail by the Fedorans by the way.

Pre-tablets, when small netbooks sales were exploding, Windows was dominant
on PCs but ran poorly or not at all on netbooks and moreover there was an
installation barrier for Windows on GNU/Linux netbooks. We were interested
in reaching the 92% or so of teachers using Windows and widening Sugar
availability on machines with pre-installed GNU/Linux (all 2% or so of
them). Microsoft and Intel worked quickly to block GNU/Linux netbooks by
pressuring OEMs to build faster machines, then tablets arrived and killed
off netbooks.

It's unfortunate that Sugar was not fully embraced by the GNU/Linux distros
who missed a great opportunity in the education market where Microsoft had
and has weaknesses, but that has been a symptom of free software projects
struggling with strategic initiatives while concentrating on technical
aspects. Dismal marketing has contributed to dismal desktop market share
(Microsoft's well-documented maneuvers played a role too of course).

Installation: As Peter has mentioned, SoaS can be used for installation on
a target PC, this is documented in the wiki.

Concerning translations, language selection was available in at least
several versions of SoaS, I remember switching French and US locale and
keyboard demoing SoaS at an Educatec-Educatice convention in Paris. I have
no doubt that solutions are possible, but do remember that Peter has been
continuing SoaS work singlehandedly for some time now.

Looking forward, I see a dual challenge for Sugar Labs: supporting the XO
installed base (including hopefully keeping XO-4 availability alive), and
transitioning to the wild new world of handheld devices.

Sean



On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Sebastian Silva
wrote:

>
> El 06/11/13 17:35, Sean DALY escribió:
>
>  On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>
>> But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS!
>
>
> That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and
> Sebastian decided to take over marketing, which included coming up with
> unmarketable names, linking with Fedora announcements, and opening a Fedora
> hosted minisite (the "home" of SoaS), none of which was done with any
> consultation of the SL marketing team.
>
>  Please try to include last names, you mean Sebastian Dzallas, original
> developer of "Sugar On A Stick".
>
> Now that we're on the topic... the concept "Sugar On A Stick" has several
> problems.
>
> 1.- It suggests it's the only possible Sugar OS on a USB.
> 2.- It suggests it's not a serious OS to be installed on a computer.
> 3.- It's impossible to translate.
> 4.- It suggests it's not regular GNU/Linux, with availability of the
> Myriad other GNU/Linux educational tools.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian Silva
> R+D SomosAzúcar
> Sugar Labs Perú
> @icarito
>
>
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