Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Separate Emails

[Luke Faraone]

Why not just petition for a change to the mailing list policies? Most
lists.debian.org lists don't require subscriptions, it just makes the spam
issue greater.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017, 18:04 Samson Goddy,  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am requesting possible two email addresses for the social media
> accounts. I am proposing if we could have email accounts like "
> i...@sugarlabs.org" that could be connected with iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> and "syst...@sugarlabs.org" for "sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org".
>
>  Why? because most people don't really buy the idea about subscribing to
> mailing-lists first, before asking some important questions. I had  issues
> when handling questions thrown the SL twitter account, Tymon also had some
> similar issue on Facebook.
>
>
>
> BR
>
> Samson Goddy
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[IAEP] Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2014

[Luke Faraone]

Hello all,

Since we only had three candidates for three slots, the three candidates
will assume their roles on the board. That is,

  * Chris Leonard (cjl) 2013 Candidate Statement
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Cjl/Candidate_Statement
  * Walter Bender 2013 Candidate Statement

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter#Regarding_the_Sugar_Labs_Oversight_Board
  * Jose Miguel Garcia (Jmgarcia) 2013 Candidate Statement
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Jmgarcia


are members of the Sugar Labs Oversight Board effective 1 January, 2014.

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Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Election Details for 2013-2014

[Luke Faraone]

On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 10:43:43PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote:
 If you or somebody you know should be on the ballot, make sure to
 publish an announcement of candidacy to IAEP, and put your name on the
 list[2] before December 7.

This should have read December 15.

 Thanks,
 
 Luke Faraone
 Membership and Elections Committee
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Cheers,

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[IAEP] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

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[IAEP] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

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[IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] 2012-2013 Oversight Board Election results

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

The results are in! Please provide congradolences to our new Sugar Labs
Oversight Board members:


   - Adam Holt
   - Gonzalo Odiard
   - Claudia Urrea
   - S. Daniel Francis

The full results are shown at
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_7fe0e83eba6b35ff.
Thank you to everyone for participating.

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[IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Oversight Board Election has begun

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

We have 6 candidates[1] for the Oversight Board election. Four seats are
open for election this term. The election will finish at December 27,
2012 at 23:59. The candidates are:

 * Adam Holt
 * Gonzalo Odiard
 * Claudia Urrea
 * Sebastian Silva
 * Yama Ploskonka
 * S. Daniel Francis

I encourage each Member to review the candidates' platforms in
preparation for the coming election. Ballots will have been mailed by
the time this email is sent.

Individuals interested participating in next year's election should
apply for membership[2].

NOTE: This election is being conducted via the Condorcet Internet Voting
Service[3], operated by an independant third party. This is different
from what was done in previous elections, and a departure from what was
mentioned in the election announcement[4] due to concerns about
Selectricity's reliability.


[1]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2012-2013-candidates
[2]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership
[3]: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs
[4]: http://mid.gmane.org/20121109220022.ga10...@cobalt.mit.edu

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Re: [IAEP] Oversight Board candidacy

[Luke Faraone]

Sebastian Silva sebastian@... writes:

 
 
 Hi Walter, Luke, community,
 This is to confirm my candidacy for re-election to the Oversight Board.
 Regards,
 Sebastian--Sebastian Silvahttp://somosazucar.org/

Hi Sebastian and others, 

Please post a link to your name and platform to 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2012-2013-candidates.

As a reminder, anybody can self-nominate to run for the Oversight Board by 
midnight tonight.

Cheers, 

Luke Faraone

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[IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Election Details for 2012-2013

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

It's that time of year again: oversight board election season! Four (4)
seats are to be selected over the coming months. The timeline[1] for the
election is as follows:

== Timeline ==

 - 2012-11-23 23:59 EST: Deadline for applications for membership.
 - 2012-11-24 23:59 EST: All membership applications processed.
 - 2012-12-07 23:59 EST: Candidate list closed.
 - 2012-12-08 17:00 EST: Ballots sent by email, start of voting period.
 - 2012-12-15 17:00 EST: Voting period ends.

I'll send out additional emails as we near each of the deadlines.

== Membership ==

If you haven't yet applied for membership in Sugar Labs, please do so.
If you're wondering whether you meet the requirements, if you're a
teacher using Sugar in your classroom, regularly reading mailing lists,
or have discussed Sugar in IRC, you probably do.

Follow the instructions on the wiki[3] before the deadline to ensure
your vote is counted! You can find a list of current members online[4].

== Candidacy ==

If you or somebody you know should be on the ballot, make sure to
publish an announcement of candidacy to IAEP, and put your name on the
list[2] before December 7.

== Election processes ==

Our election will be hosted at Selectricity, a service of the MIT Media
Lab. Ballots will be sent out via email, and votes will be anonymous.
All members are eligible to vote.

If you have any questions about the process, feel free to contact me.

[1]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members
[2]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2012-2013-candidates
[3]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership
[4]: http://bit.ly/sugarlabs-member-list

Thanks,

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[IAEP] Sugar Labs Board Election 2011-2012 Results

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

Please welcome your recently (re)elected SLOBs:

Walter Bender, Chris Leonard, and Gerald Ardito

The remaining candidates (in order according to the Schulze method[1]):

 4. Sridhar Dhanapalan and Laura Victoria Vargas (TIE)
 5. Nick Doiron
 6. David Farning

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method

== Additional election result details ==

Out of 246 registered members, 64 individuals voted. In contrast, last
year's elections saw 79 voters, and 63 votes were cast in the 2009
election.

A graph of the Borda Count[2] (which assigns points to each ranking) is
available at http://selectricity.org/graph/borda_bar/1969/graph.png,
and the percentage of first-place voting is available at
http://selectricity.org/graph/plurality_pie/1969/graph.png.

Fortunately there was no tie in the top three spots. However, policy on
resolving such a tie should be established before the next election
season begins.

[2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borda_count

Sugar Labs would like to thank Mel Chua and Bernie Innocenti for their
service on the Board. Congratulations to the new and returning SLOBs!

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[IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Ballot information for 2011-2012 Sugar Labs election

[Luke Faraone]

 meetings, including the SLOBS meetings and I have advocated
for attention to the needs of our language communities in those forums
as well as encouraging collaborative effort among Sugar Labs teams and
upstream outreach to the wider FOSS community.

I've gained a wide angle view of Sugar Lab's work, as well as having
delved into excruciating detail in a number of areas. I've had the
opportunity to work with a broad variety of stakeholders and I hope to
use this perspective to help Sugar Labs grow it's community and reach it
goals.


=== Laura Vargas ===

Currently working on Sugar Camp Lima 2011.

Starting the century [2000] I graduated as an industrial engineer from
the Colombian School of Engineering, the same year I began to specialize
in international business, banking and finance at the University of Rosario.

In 2005 moved to California to study film production [thanks to the
Ministry of Culture and the Fulbright Commission Colombia] leading on my
return the local production team of the film Love in the Time of Cholera.

In Bogotá I became part of a select team, designing  user experience for
multiple commercial and educational web projects, until Free Software
crossed my path in 2009 and first came the idea of ​​getting involved
with the group which was also dedicated software design aimed at
children of primary school.

I was accepted as a research associate at Escuelab and from there and
hand to hand with Sebastian Silva, we incubated the research project
somosazucar.org / sugarlab Peru with the aim of encouraging the use and
development of free software SUGAR.

My vision and reason for filing this application, is to align the
system's efforts towards creating a secure, open and free Sugar Users
Network where end users can interact with designers and developers.

To achieve this goal I propose first to strengthen the network of local
laboratories, procuring their sustainability and the sharing of their
experiences and results.

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[IAEP] REMINDER: Candidates list for 2011-2012 elections closes this Tuesday (Nov 15)

[Luke Faraone]

On 08/10/11 17:12, Luke Faraone wrote:
  - 2011-11-15 23:59 EST: Candidate list closed.

We currently have 6 candidates for 3 board seats. The deadline for
announcing your candidacy is Tuesday, November 15; ballots will be sent
out the next day.

If you are on the fence about running, please decide one way or another
soon :) then follow the procedure below:

 == Candidacy ==
 
 If you or somebody you know should be on the ballot, make sure to
 publish an announcement of candidacy to IAEP, and put your name on the
 list[2] before the end of October.

 [2]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2011-2012-candidates
 

Thanks,

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[IAEP] REMINDER: Member list for 2011-2012 elections close this Saturday

[Luke Faraone]

On 08/10/11 17:12, Luke Faraone wrote:
  - 2011-11-07 23:59 EST: Deadline for applications for membership.

As stated previously, the deadline for membership application is this
Saturday. If you aren't listed here:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List

then please do apply as described below.

 If you haven't yet applied for membership in Sugar Labs, please do so.
 If you're wondering whether you meet the requirements, if you're a
 teacher using Sugar in your classroom, regularly reading mailing lists,
 or have discussed Sugar in IRC, you probably do.
 
 Follow the instructions on the wiki[3] before the deadline to ensure
 your vote is counted! You can find a list of current members online[4].
 
 If you have any questions about the process, feel free to contact me. My
 SL email appears to be blackholing currently, so use my personal
 @faraone.cc address.
 
 [3]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership


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[IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Election Details for 2011-2012

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

It's that time of year again: oversight board election season! Three (3)
seats are to be selected over the coming months. The timeline[1] for the
election is as follows:

== Timeline ==

 - 2011-11-07 23:59 EST: Deadline for applications for membership.
 - 2011-11-12 23:59 EST: All membership applications processed.
 - 2011-11-15 23:59 EST: Candidate list closed.
 - 2011-11-16 17:00 EST: Ballots sent by email, start of voting period.
 - 2011-11-30 17:00 EST: Voting period ends.

I'll send out additional emails as we near each of the deadlines.

== Membership ==

If you haven't yet applied for membership in Sugar Labs, please do so.
If you're wondering whether you meet the requirements, if you're a
teacher using Sugar in your classroom, regularly reading mailing lists,
or have discussed Sugar in IRC, you probably do.

Follow the instructions on the wiki[3] before the deadline to ensure
your vote is counted! You can find a list of current members online[4].

== Candidacy ==

If you or somebody you know should be on the ballot, make sure to
publish an announcement of candidacy to IAEP, and put your name on the
list[2] before the end of October.

== Election processes ==

Our election will be hosted at Selectricity, a service of the MIT Media
Lab. Ballots will be sent out via email, and votes will be anonymous.
All members are eligible to vote.

If you have any questions about the process, feel free to contact me. My
SL email appears to be blackholing currently, so use my personal
@faraone.cc address.

[1]:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Timeline_for_2011-2012_Season
[2]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2011-2012-candidates
[3]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership
[4]: http://bit.ly/sugarlabs-member-list

Thanks,

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] [ANNOUNCE] Sugar Labs Licensing Referendum (non-binding) results

[Luke Faraone]

On 07/10/2011 10:23 PM, Gary Martin wrote:
 I was surprised as I had no recollection at all of the original email
 (subscribed to way too many Sugar related lists), but after some
 digging found it had been clobbered as junk email, so not sure who
 else this may have hit, but thought it worth mentioning.

Odd. Did you at least get the mail from Selectricity?

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[IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sugar Labs Licensing Referendum (non-binding) results

[Luke Faraone]

On 06/14/2011 05:42 PM, Luke Faraone wrote:
 This is a vote to determine the suggested license for future releases
 of Sugar. This poll will run from right now until Wed Jun 29 2011 at 
 midnight UTC-4.

Sorry for the late update; the reporting mechanism for our voting
software temporarily broke.

Summary: the winner was **GNU GPL version 3, or any later version**.

## Results Details ##

55 out of 217 eligible members voted, or a little more than ¼.

The full results of this election ranked the candidates in order of
preference (from most preferred to least preferred):

 1. GNU GPL version 3, or any later version
 2. GNU GPL version 2, or any later version
 3. Don't know or don't care


Each number in the table below shows how many times the candidate on the
left beat the matching candidate on the top. The winner is on the top of
the left column.
v3  v2  DC
v3  --  34  37
v2  21  --  42
DC  18  13  --

Based on a sheer count of 1st place votes, v3 received 49% of the vote,
v2 received 29% of the vote, and the apathetic position received the
remaining 22% of the vote.

Full details (and alternative election method calculations) are visible
at the Selectricity page linked in the original voting ticket email.

Thanks,

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Questions Re: Skype on XO

[Luke Faraone]

I'm not sure this is an apt question for IAEP.

On 03/01/2011 09:24 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
 
 I need to be able to do a 2-way video chat.  I would like to know...
 
 1) How much memory does Skype take up?

Disk space: the RPM page is 18.7MiB, so I'd imagine it takes up a little
bit more than that on disk.

RAM: depends.

 2) Do the instructions on the wiki at apply to 860? 

I have not tested them, but they look like they should work.

 3) What is the difference in performance between the XO-1 and the XO-1.5?
 4) What is the reason for the difference, memory or speed or both?

Probably proportional to the processors of each.

Memory would only matter if Skype tried to use more than available.

 5) Will I need to delete Activities before installing Skype?

You need to have sufficient disk space.

 6) Does it run just in Terminal in Sugar, or is there a way to use it in 
 Gnome?

It should be accessible from the Applications menu.

 7) Can it run a video chat along with the text chat window for sending links 
 etc?

That's consistent with my experience of Skype on Linux, I'd imagine it
would work similarly on the XO.

 8 Do I have to have a PC to set it up?  I am a Mac person.

The instructions provided are run on your XO.

 10) What is gstfakevideo? Do I need it? Do I want it?

Hah, it has been ages since I wrote the video instructions. Those are
*definitely* out of date, and I would be very surprised if they worked.

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Re: [IAEP] election results

[Luke Faraone]

On 11/29/2010 09:27 AM, Walter Bender wrote:
 I am happy to report that Chirs Ball, Adam Holt, Aleksey Lim, and
 Sebastian Silva will be joining Bernie Innocente, Mel Chua, and me as
 new and returning members of the Sugar Oversight Board.

The full results list, from most to least preferred, is as follows:

   1. Chris Ball
   2. Adam Holt
   3. Aleksey Lim
   4. Sebastian Silva

   5. Rosamel Norma Ramirez Mendez
   6. Claudia Urrea
   7. Gerald Ardito
   8. Pacita Peña
   9. Steven Parrish

Thank you all for running, and for those who voted. The full election
data, including a breakdown of the results tables, can be viewed by
accessing the link originally provided to you by Selectricity, the
voting software used in the election.

Thanks,

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Membership and Elections Committee
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[IAEP] [Election] Membership and candidate lists finalized

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

The membership and candidate lists are now frozen.

We have 9 candidates[1] for the Oversight Board election:

* Adam Holt
* Steven Parrish
* Chris Ball
* Rosamel Norma Ramirez Mendez
* Gerald Ardito
* Sebastian Silva
* Aleksey Lim
* Claudia Urrea
* Pacita Peña

I encourage each Member to review the candidates' platforms in
preparation for the coming election. Ballots will be emailed on Sunday.

In 2010, Sugar Labs gained 42 members, bringing the total number of
members[2] to 228.

Please welcome Frits Hoff, Peter Robinson, I. T. Daniher, Anish Mangal,
Gonzalo Odiard, Andrés Ambrois, Martin Abente Lahaye, Lionel Laske, Raul
Gutierrez Segales, Daniel Castelo, Esteban Arias, Kandarp Kaushik,
Tabitha Roder, Stephen Jacobs, Laura Victoria Vargas, Claudia Urrea,
Pacita Peña, Aleksey Lim, Jeff Elkner, Antonio Carlos, Gustavo Ibarra,
Jhan Carlo Perez Ramirez, Enrique Mayorga González, Gabriel Eirea, Jorge
Luis Contreras, Javier Rodolfo Del Carpio López, Marcos Orfila, Pablo
Baqués, Sebastián Codas Salinas, Cecilia Rodríguez Alcalá, Luis Patricio
Acevedo Jimenez, Kevin Gordon, Yamile Susana Galvis Rizo, Alfredo
Gutiérrez, Juan Camilo Lema, Johna Rupire, Antje Breitkopf, Ana Cichero
Mildwurf, Rita Freudenberg, Rosamel Ramirez, George Hunt, Raul Hugo, and
Tim McNamara to Sugar Labs.

[1]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010-2011-candidates
[2]: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List

Thanks,

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[IAEP] [Election] Membership registration deadline in two days

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

This is an informational mail; nothing has changed since my previous
date announcement last month.

By Wednesday, 2010-11-10 23:59 EST, all applications for membership must
be submitted if they are to be considered valid for the upcoming election.

On the 13th, all applications submitted before this deadline will be
processed, and ballots will go out the next day. The voting period ends
two weeks later, on the 28th.

Please see
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership for
information on how to apply.

If you're not listed on
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List,  we don't know
to send you a ballot!

In addition, some people have no email address on file, noted by a red
NO next to their name. If you are this person, or you know how we can
contact them, let me know and I'll fix it in the database.

Thanks,

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs potentially a trade mark infringer

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On 07/30/2010 01:09 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
 Compare Breakout[1] with Break Out[2]
 
 I haven't checked the USPTO's database, but I'm fairly certain that
 Atari would have registered it.

They have:
Atari, Breakout, computer game programs and video game cartridges
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serialentry=76062330

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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] [Sugar-devel] Mailing list administrators

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On 07/22/2010 10:18 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
 El Thu, 22-07-2010 a las 19:06 -0400, Bernie Innocenti escribió:
 the role of administrator for iaep@ and sugar-devel@ has been vacant for
 some time, so I've been filling in.
 
 This is incorrect: Luke Faraone has been the administrator of iaep@ for
 some time.
 
 I thought I had deleted this first draft before posting it...

I try to run listadmin every week or so, which I set to check iaep,
sugar-devel, systems, and soas. I've been partially on VAC, and have
fallen behind in my checking, so apologies if mails have been getting
stuck in the queue.

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Re: [IAEP] Problems with Best OS Image Ever

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On 06/20/2010 10:26 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
 But, holding down the Escape key doesn't have any effect.  It just does
 a regular boot. The XO is running Sugar 0.82.1.  I have a developer key
 installed.


Hold down the ? (check) key while pressing the power button, releasing
it when prompted. What messages appear on-screen before boot? (at which
point the display turns black, etc)


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Soliciting SoaS v.4 Codename Colour Suggestions

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On 06/04/2010 11:19 AM, Anish Mangal wrote:
 Alphonso | saffron - red
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonso_(mango)
 
 Alphonso is arguably the best available variety of Mango, which is one
 of the most awaited summertime fruits in India.
 
 Besides there are so many mango varieties
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mango), it is only fair that one of them
 gets to be selected as a SoaS codename :-)

It's also a proper name, shared by a number of people, including
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Alphonse_Capone.

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Re: [IAEP] [SPAM]Re: [SPAM]An intelligent sneakernet for the XO.

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On 04/13/2010 08:16 PM, William Schaub wrote:
 I would be interested in getting this integrated in sugar but right now
 its way too much of a mess for that. I wish they would just distribute
 perl with sugar and be done with it but that will likely never happen. 
 I'm sure I could re-write the glue in python or even C if I needed to.
 but I figure Perl is probably Ok to stick with for the early stages of
 the project.

Perl is part of every LSB-compliant Linux distribution (IIRC), and I
believe it is shipped on the XO.

We would like to guide you away from Perl since most of the developers
have experience with Python, and thus we will be best able to help you
with problems you encounter in that language. Furthermore, we feel that
we can better maintain and review code written in a common language.

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Re: [IAEP] is Soas safe?

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[please drop iaep in followup emails, this is a technical discussion]

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 19:31, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote:

I guess that harddrive-less units are totally OK, but what happens in
normal, hard-drive based machines if somehow a stick gets infected? when
booting from a USB stick, is it like when booting from a CD or for those
old enough to remember, like booting from a floppy?

I mean, that was THE way to get infected before Word macros started
being the star, since such infection basically bypass all anti-malware
protection, except when set at the BIOS level, and how many people knew
about it in my younger days?

How can we ensure this is not an issue made worse by Soas users?
Opinions and knowledge, anyone?


The operating system running on the SoaS stick has unrestricted access to the computer. It can mount internal disks, repartition, etc; anything one could do if you were root on the running computer. 

So far, the only security vulnerability experienced in conjunction with USB sticks has been Windows viruses. Since the SoaS stick does not contain WINE, it cannot run any Windows executables, and unless a virus is specially crafted to work on Linux and handle the specific way that LiveUSB sticks are constructed, it is unlikely to pose any threat. 


There is no way to mitigate this threat other than to verify the integrity of a 
SoaS stick from a trusted (ideally sole-role) computer designed for that 
purpose, or have the BIOS check the kernel signature (a la the XO), and have 
the kernel verify the userland. This is overkill for 99% of situations.

In summary: There are much more probable threats to be worried about, and as of today, SoaS does not have the level of popularity where one would have to consider such solutions. 


If we want to protect against rouge activities, there are existing technologies 
that can easily be put into place with a configuration change (`touch 
/etc/olpc-security`) and some testing. This is a good thing to work on 
short-term in my opinion.

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Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

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On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 13:40, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote:


OK. Let's focus a bit here.  In the spirit of IAEP, I wonder who this version 
of SoaS will be for... educators and students or developers?  It seems like the 
discussion is favoring the latter.  That would be a big disappointment to those 
of us who are waiting to have a good stable version to share with the education 
community.


Sounds to me like it's for deployers, people looking to make derivatives of 
SoaS. As Silbe said, there are tools for building new images with more 
activities.

On the other hand, it would be useful to have an all inclusive version of SoaS for 
instant-on usage of the system. Or, better, to have it be incredibly easy to download 
from ASLO activities that have been tested and QAd, and to have these activities widely promoted on 
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] non-free activities on ASLO

[Luke Faraone]

The Opera activity, for example.

Thanks,
Luke Faraone

Sent from my mobile device.

On Mar 18, 2010, at 13:55, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com  
wrote:


 Out of curiosity, what is an example of a non-free Sugar activity??
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Re: [IAEP] Anki - open source memorization tool.

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 21:38, Caroline Meeks  wrote:
 An open source memorization tool.  Looks simple and cool and already runs on
 Linux, might be a good addition to Sugar.

In fact, it's even written in Python, so supporting it in Sugar should
be straightforward. Do we have a page on the Wiki where we can put
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOBs] Scenarios for licensing our trademarks

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On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 11:05 -0500, Chris Ball wrote:
 Or the guy who claims he sent in an e-mail and never
 did, uses the marks and tells the press we never answer our
 e-mail?
 We could setup a bot on automatic-tradema...@sugarlabs.org that
 replies to applications with an ID number; if you don't get one,
 you definitely don't have a trademark license yet.

I'd be happy to work on that. Would RT with an autoresponse a la help
at laptop dot org be a suitable system for this?

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Re: [IAEP] dealing with mailing lists

[Luke Faraone]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 03:14, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:

 On 01/12/2010 08:55 PM, Marten Vijn wrote:
  - I got cc'ed halfway a thread
  - some mail are 4-5 times (cc'ing / crossposting)


Your mail client doesn't collate mails with similiar content and identical
Message-IDs? Maybe Gmail has me spoiled, but I'm sure there are ways in
other clients...


 Hmm, some people do cc people to highlight specific persons some do
 remove cc and only post to the list to keep traffic low. We should at
 least have a guideline about it, otherwise you can not rely on a
 constant income-stream.


I for one like it when people use Cc:. If I'm CC'd to an email that is
relevant to me, I'm more likely to see it and respond to it.

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Re: [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.

[Luke Faraone]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 17:54, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote:

 Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel?


We've talked this subject practically to death. See
http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg06656.html. (hint:
the thread you want is
herehttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-February/thread.html#3828
)

Consensus has been no for a variety of reasons, which would be redundant
to enumerate here once again.

We already log meetings http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/ in #sugar-meeting,
but the policy for #sugar is against it.

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Re: [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.

[Luke Faraone]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:25, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote:

 Can I just use #sugar-meeting, then, instead of #sugar?  That would work
 for me.


#sugar-meeting is for just that, meetings. Things outside of meetings are
not recorded.


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Re: [IAEP] [DESIGN] Ideas and questions on SL.o

[Luke Faraone]

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 19:52, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:

  It would probably make a
 better first impression than the Wiki as it now stands.  Further, we
 might take some of the better content on the Wiki (Sugar Almanac, for
 instance) and think about converting it into Floss Manuals.


I agree. While I'd be reluctant to make it the front page, it would seem a
sensible choice for the getting help with sugar link on the mainpage.


On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 05:23, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Programmers and other geek types will mostly fend for themselves ;-)
 Put a link somewhere for developers and we'll find it.


Heh. I think we want to first convert our users to the idea that Sugar is
something worth using/deploying, and then to lure them in to community
participation. We have to keeep in mind we're serving a variety of
audiences; most [citation needed] people in school administration don't have
the time / bandwidth to join a mailing list to find out more. Rather the
implementation people in IT and teachers in the classroom  are those who
would provide the most value to the community, and they will probably
(subject to verification, see below) still be able to find their way.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 06:22, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 What about making a list of the audience profiles and evaluate how
 well each of them can find what they want? Teachers, school
 administrators, hackers, parents, journalists, etc?


Seems sensible. We can even conduct some budget usability
testinghttp://www.useit.com/alertbox/20030602.htmlonce we get to the
later stages. There are plenty of people who fit in those
groups around my school :)

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[IAEP] [DESIGN] Ideas and questions on SL.o

[Luke Faraone]

Recently, I attended a presentation along with Walter, Bernie, and Dogi in
which students from Babson College discussed the deployability challenges
faced by Sugar and SugarLabs in the United States.

One of the things mentioned was the distributed nature of our project. We
have a extensive wiki, a variety of high-traffic mailing lists, and doezens
of blogs. For a teacher or administrator looking into the viability of
Sugar, it can be quite a daunting task to process and synthesize all these
disparate sources into a cohesive message.

They specifically mentioned the front page of our community,
www.SugarLabs.org, as an example of our failure to communicate. While the
design is visually appealing and graphically stunning, it suffers from being
*too* simplistic in my opinion. In terms of conveying actionable
information, it performs poorly. Most people come to an organization's front
page with specific goals in mind, and it should be our goal to make it as
easy as possible for people to accomplish those goals.

As Bernie commented during the meeting, one of the first things as
developers we jump for is the link to the wiki. But this link dumps the
user to a large, disorganized mass of content in which one can easily get
lost. Wiki-gardening is definately a full-time job, probably for more than
one person, but as it is, what we have isn't working.

Therefore, my proposal is simple: redesign www.SugarLabs.org. As a strawman,
lets say we were to offer, on the main page, jumping off points to the rest
of our community.

This would include things like:

   - Download Sugar (Sends them off to the [[Try Sugar]] wikipage)
   - Explore teaching resources (needs authoring)
   - Solve a problem ([[Sugar help]])
   - Get involved

Of course, we'd need to have these all link to supporting pages, either on
the wiki or elsewhere, but deciding *how* to organize something is a large
part of actually producing *usable* content.

We can also find a place to put the current SL.o explanation text, but I
don't think it should be the sole, central focus of the page.

Comments, criticism, and alternative proposals welcome.

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Re: [IAEP] AP: Schools shun Kindle, saying blind can't use it

[Luke Faraone]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 13:35, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, no text-to-speech on Kindle? Very silly. The blind will have to
 wait for the mp3 versions of books, then.


The Kindle has text to speech, but they allow it to be
disabledhttp://news.cnet.com/amazon-retreats-on-kindles-text-to-speech-issue/on
a book-by-book basis by the publisher. Most publishers opt for this,
in
the hope of boosting audiobook / playaway sales.


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Re: [IAEP] (Please read) Re: Proposed Trac - Launchpad migration

[Luke Faraone]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 22:36, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:

  * Existing bug data will be imported, but the bug numbers won't be the
  same.


 So the git commit messages referencing trac bug tickets will be future
 information garbage, oh joy.


As stated, there will be both a conversion table and a redirect service
available for the considerable future. We already have fragmentation between
SL bugs and OLPC bugs. Launchpad will allow us to keep our old bug numbers
Is there anything else that would make this work better for everyone?

An example of the redirection scheme:
https://launchpad.net/sugar/+bug/slbugs1534 points to a page titled Bug
#460049 (slbugs1534). We can change the nickname prefix to whatever we'd
like.


  * It will be hosted by Canonical externally, rather than by SL as Trac
  currently is.

 If any of these are not to your liking, the time to speak up is now,
 before it all happens.  :)


 Not to my liking, but if some really smart/committed folks are willing to
 do the work, have it well tested, say this is really worth the pain, and
 don't mind some folks ignoring the move for a few months... Though, I would
 first really love to see a clear explanation of why this is a good idea, and
 how the move benefits us.


To quote Bernie, our system administrator and current manager of Sugar Labs'
Trac instance:

bernie: my #1 reason for switching is that our trac instance is a wreck and
 nobody wants to maintain it.
 bernie: me less than anyone else. it's an awful application to maintain...
 especially now that it is riddled by spammers


Switching to Launchpad would free up admin time to work on improving other
services, such as ASLO http://activities.sugarlabs.org and the wiki.
Launchpad is already many times faster than the current Sugar Labs bug
tracker, and Canonical has committed to add capacity as the service grows.

In addition, Launchpad allows developers to manipulate bugs by email (a la
bugs.debian.org), permitting developers to choose their own workflow.

Launchpad also is better suited for multi-project collaboration, both within
Sugarlabs and with other distributionshttps://edge.launchpad.net/+tour/bugs.
We can easily track the status of bugs that affect both upstream Sugar and
the Sugar packages in, say, Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, and Gentoo, all from the
same page.

We've been testing https://launchpad.net/soas Launchpad with the Sugar on
a Stick project for a few months now, and it's been working pretty well.

Finally, we would be able to migrate away from Launchpad at any time.

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Re: [IAEP] (Please read) Re: Proposed Trac - Launchpad migration

[Luke Faraone]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 09:19, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have no experience with Launchpad, but am often frustrated by the
 performance of SL Trac.

 At my office we switched from Trac to Redmine for internal project
 development, since Trac's development seems to have slowed to a crawl.

 Provided a high priority is placed on migrating bug numbers and
 keeping links to dev.sugarlabs.org working, I'm not opposed.   I'll
 probably take Gary's approach and let the dust settle though.  Now
 that 0.86 is out it's probably the best time to do this.


I've just confirmed with our contacts at Canonical that bug aliases will be
created for all the old bugs, of the form sugarlabs- or sl-.


 Any chance OLPC would consider moving over too, so we could have true
 connections between OLPC and SL bugs?


I don't think it's been discussed, but I'll forward it to the OLPC VIG.  It
is certainly more likely if the Sugar Labs migration works well.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Please read) Re: Proposed Trac - Launchpad migration

[Luke Faraone]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 18:19, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote:

   * bugs.sugarlabs.org is moving from Trac to Launchpad.
   * Existing bug data will be imported, but the bug numbers won't be the
 same.

 what happens to bug numbers (i.e., referring to other bugs in the
 current database) that are embedded in the text commentary?  i
 assume they get converted, but it's worth asking.


Good question.

There are two ways we can do this:


   1. Ask for a list of the new bug numbers, and do some apache mod_redirect
   magic to convert them to the new method.
   2. During the import, give each imported bug an alias, like 'sl1234'
   which identify their numbers on the old bug tracker.  Then we just have to
   redirect from http://dev.sugarlabs.org/bugs/1234 to
   https://launchpad.net/bugs/sl1234, and LP will handle the rest.

I'll have to ask for confirmation on whether option 2 can be automagically
done during the import We'd have to implement the redirect to (
launchpad.net/bugs/sl + BUG_NUMBER) ourselves, but that's trivial.

Worst case, we can do 1. I'll follow up and see what's doable and report
back to the list.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Please read) Re: Proposed Trac - Launchpad migration

[Luke Faraone]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 19:06, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote:

  so, if i understand this, the text of the bugs will still contain lots of
 bug numbers that link correctly, but read incorrectly.


Well, Launchpad will redirect to the proper number.


 I guess there's no way to simply edit the bug text during the import, so as
 to make the
 references correct w/o redirection tricks?


I'm not really sure what you mean. Are you referring to the references to
other bugs inside the bugs themselves? Possibly, although it would be easy
to mess up.


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Re: [IAEP] thin clients

[Luke Faraone]

2009/10/24 Rubén Rodríguez Pérez ru...@gnu.org


  My question is I found this site and wondered if I can use Sugar as
  an application on my thin clients.

 You should be able to install Sugar on SuSe using this howto:
 http://en.opensuse.org/Sugar



There's a tutorial for Ubuntu Intrepid at
http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex, but it probably
needs updating.
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Re: [IAEP] Ideas for Sugar

[Luke Faraone]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 16:50, Deborah Boatwright 
boatwrig...@newmarket.k12.nh.us wrote:

 Can you use a projector and a smartboard with the sugar on a stick?


SMARTBoards http://smarttech.com/, sadly, use proprietary drivers and we
cannot legally redistribute them. You can however install the SMART Notebook
software on Linux; see
http://www2.smarttech.com/st/en-US/Support/Downloads/SBS/NBS10Linux.htm for
more information.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel [organization process started]

[Luke Faraone]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 14:05, Sean McGrath s...@manybits.net wrote:

 Bill Bogstad wrote:

 We will conduct any  public discussions in the
 s...@lists.sugarlabs.org mailing list with a subject line tagged with
 [DP].


 Suggestion: As a favor to the mailing list archive searcher of the future,
 consider a tag [in addition to,instead of] DP. The DP
 process may be repeated for different issues in the future.


Maybe [DP-1] or [SDP-1]?

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[IAEP] Election status update

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

The Sugar Labs Oversight
Boardhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board 2009-2010
Election http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidatesis
scheduled to run from
*October 1, 2009* to *October 14, 2009*. All 7 board seats are up for
election.

The Sugar Labs Members list is currently frozen. If you're still not
in the members
list http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List, email the
membership
committee memb...@sugarlabs.org to be put on the list for next year.

Our election will be hosted at Selectricity http://selectricity.org, a
service of the MIT Media Lab http://media.mit.edu. For transparency, David
Farning http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Dfarning will administer the
election, as a current Oversight Board Member who is not running for
reelection. Ballots will be sent out via email to all Sugar Labs Members.
Voting will be run via the Schulze
methodhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method.
The top four candidates will be elected for two years, and the next three
for one year.

In case of a dispute over the election a decision will be deferred to David
Farning.

The current candidate
listhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidatesis
as follows: (in order by date of announcement)

   - Walter Bender http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter
   - Caroline Meeks http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:CarolineM
   - RafaelOrtiz http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:RafaelOrtiz
   - Sean Daly http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:SeanDaly
   - Edward Mokurai Cherlin http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai, Earth
   Treasury http://www.earthtreasury.org/worknet
   - Sebastian Dziallas http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Sdz
   - Mel Chua http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mchua
   - Tomeu Vizoso http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Tomeu
   - Bastien Guerry http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Bzg
   - Bernie Innocenti http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Bernie (SLOB
   platformhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Bernie#Oversight_Board_Platform)

   - Daniel 
Drakehttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-August/017765.html
   - Luke Faraone http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:LFaraone (SLOB
   platform http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:LFaraone#Oversight_Platform)

   - Yamandú Ploskonka http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Yamaplos ( on
   QE4A, and platform/proposal http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Yamaplos)
   - Chris Ball http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Cjb


Thanks,
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Re: [IAEP] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

[Luke Faraone]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 16:27, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote:

 This mail is to ask for volunteers for the Decision Panel.  Volunteers
 can be anyone with an interest in the outcome,


*raises hand*. I'm fairly interested in the future of SoaS, and would like
to be on the Panel.

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[IAEP] Colors in the rim (Re: [Sugar-devel] sugaronastick.com (was Re: Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.))

[Luke Faraone]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 18:35, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com
 wrote:

 I also wish that the range of rim colors available for the XO choice in F1
 Neighborhood would distinguish what Distribution they are based on...


I'm just curious, but how is this relevant to the end user? Most students
probably wouldn't care about what distro their friends are using.


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

[Luke Faraone]

On 2009-09-16, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:

 2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com:
  I wonder, though, if the current SoaS is going to be the primary LiveUSB
  distribution of Sugar supported by upstream (known as SoaS).
 I think Sugar should treat all downstreams equally, so there would be
 no primary distro. But users/deployments may prefer one or the other
 based on quality/performance/stability/



But there is a utility, from a usability standpoint, to tell new Sugar users
here's an easy way to try out sugar, like GNOME does at
http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.26/#rninstallation


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Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick (was [Sugar-Devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick)

[Luke Faraone]

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:56, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:

 To Martin's point, how about the routine use of a filterable tag,
 [SoaS] , in the Subject to messages appropriately routed to either
 IAEP or Devel or both?


I just created a Sugar on a Stick topic on Sugar-Devel's mailman, which
matches the pattern [SoaS] in the subject of a message.


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick (was [Sugar-Devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick)

[Luke Faraone]

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would prefer to filter messages client side rather than having
 something enforced on me.


Er, it's not *enforced*, as if you don't specify any topic you'll get all
mail sent to the list. Please see the help text Kevin posted earlier in the
thread.

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Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

[Luke Faraone]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:27, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.comwrote:

 curriki != moodle courses, format is quite different. So unless you create
 seperate instances of the courses one will have to choose either curriki
 format or moodle format.


Hm, that doesn't sound right: wouldn't Curriki benefit by making their
content easily convertible to a variety of formats?

CC'ing an acquaintance of mine at Curriki to get the full story.

 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:32, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Well, this is really what moodle was created for. Especially considering
 its
  the main tool used in all XS server implmentations and is in use in at
 least
  40% of British schools. I'm not sure about the American numbers, but
 pretty
  sure it must be highly used there too. Creating courses in moodle is not
  only easy, but extremely powerful, and can be easily shared with other
  teachers. There are existing general moodle implementations, though none
  have enough content, including the sugarlabs one (schools.sugarlabs.org)
 I'm
  focusing my own efforts on linux-for-education.org, where little by
 little
  we're growing the site. The latter has 5 sugar based courses I created
 and
  several ubuntu and opensuse courses. Apart from the courses, the
 glossaries
  and database modules link straight into the course content, allowing
  students to easily look up terms used in courses that might be
 confusing.

 But I guess you can deploy Curriki content in Moodle instances? I
 think the main point of Curriki is working together with an existing
 community, not so much about what is used to deploy the content.

 Regards,

 Tomeu

  kind regards,
  David Van Assche
 
  On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org
 wrote:
 
   From: Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com
   Subject: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?
   To: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Kellie Doty
 kmd...@mail.harvard.edu
   Message-ID:
 b74fba2b0909091618s103ddaa0oe4e2767f2aa02...@mail.gmail.com
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
  
   I'd like to introduce Kellie Doty, she is a fellow student in the
   Technology, Education and Innovation program at Harvard Grad School
 for
   Education and she is in Intern at Sugar Labs this fall working on the
   GPA
   project.  Kellyie's role will be to help us develop curriculum, test
 it
   at
   GPA and publish it in a format that will be easy to adopt by other
   teachers.
   One of her first tasks will be to take the lessons we did
   over the summer and try to write them up.
  
   One question is where should we put lesson plans?
  
   My first thought was wiki.sugarlabs.org
our wonderful maze of twisty pages all different.  But Kellie
 pointed
   out that teachers need to be able to find things through various
 paths
   such as subject, grade level and activities used.
  
   My second thought was Moodle as it probably has a module for that.
 
  +1 for curriki. It has an existing community of teachers to work w/ and
  it is a good tool, geared to their needs
 
 
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Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

[Luke Faraone]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 19:18, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote:


 But Kellie pointed out that teachers need to be able to find things through 
 various paths such as subject, grade level and activities used.


We could make use of Semantic
MediaWikihttp://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki,
an extention that lets you tag pages with metadata and which is used
extensively on wiki.laptop.org. See for example
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/8.2.1 or
http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Writeaction=formedit
http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Writeaction=formeditI can then do
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Property:Activity_genre, or refine my search down
to
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Special:SearchByProperty/Activity-20genre/Math-20and-20Science

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Special:SearchByProperty/Activity-20genre/Math-20and-20ScienceIt's
a bit difficult to set up, but it allows for a very well organized and
usable wiki directory.

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[IAEP] REMINDER: Sugar Labs Membership deadline Sept. 6

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

The deadline for applying for Sugar Labs http://sugarlabs.org
membershiphttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members (for
2009-2010) has been extended to tomorrow, Sept. 6. Please send email
to *members
at sugarlabs dot org* with a brief description of what you do with Sugar
Labs if you're not already on the Members
Listhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List
.
If you're worried about whether you qualify; if you're subscribed to one of
the mailing lists receiving this email, you probably should be on the SL
Members List.

As a Sugar Labs member, you will get the oppertunity to vote in elections
determining the project's governance, such as the upcoming Oversight
Boardhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board 2009-2001
Election http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates
.

Thanks,
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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Following My Own Advice

[Luke Faraone]

Caryl,
You sent your email to iaep-request, which isn't the actual IAEP mailing
list, so I'm quoting your mail entirely in my reply:

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 18:12, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Hi...
 Well, I followed my own advice and ordered a fresh copy of Strunk and
 White's The Elements of Style.  The price has gone up since my first copy
 many years ago (about $1.25). Now it lists for $9.95, but is worth every
 penny. It arrived by FedEx 2 day from Amazon this afternoon.

 All this brings me to the controversy that really bothered me for the book
 sprint last summer, punctuation with quotation marks.  I was raised on the
 American style and had to use it when writing for publication in
 newspapers and magazines. There is a wikipedia article about this here:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Punctuation

 Last summer, we followed more of the British style discussed in the above
 article. I really had to grit my teeth for that, but did it anyway.

 This summer, it really doesn't matter to me which style we use, just so we
 all use the same one, which seems to be the British style (unless someone
 changes it).


As a technical publication, I personally prefer that we use Logical
Quotations, to avoid any ambiguity in meaning. Strings are First Class
Objects, and shouldn't be tainted with superfluous punctuation, IMHO.

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[IAEP] Proposed Trac - Launchpad migration

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,


So far, the experiment with SoaS has been a success. Sebastian
Dziallasreports satisfaction with Launchpad's bug and blueprint
functionality, as
well as inter-tool integration.

== Overview ==
Launchpad has a number of strengths that differentiate it from other tools
we have explored, the most important is the integration of the following
components into a cohesive whole:

   - Questions/Answers


   - Bugs


   - Blueprints


   - Translations


   - Code hosting (bzr)


Moreover, if Sugar Labs decides not to make use of all of these components,
we can disable them from within the Launchpad UI.

Finally, Launchpad is not a PITA to manage. Rather than requiring Bernie
(the only person other than Ivan who has access to dev.sl.o AFAICT) to
constantly wrangle with system updates, scalability issues, and general
maintenance, Launchpad is externally hosted by Canonical.

== Comparisons ==

Compared to Trac:

   - Project-level optional access control on priority, milestone targeting,
   etc


   - intergreted spesification/blueprint functionality, with support for
   milestone targeting, etc.


   - differentiation between support requests and bugs


   - the ability to link bugs as affecting multiple projects, and to pull in
   status updates from other projects, even if they use different bug trackers


   - hosted gratis, and supported by a team of competent Canonical system
   administrators


   - support for translating projects using POT files


   - a cleaner user interface (opinion)


   - group support


Compared to GetSatisfaction:

   - free and open source software, written in Zope


   - acts as both a bug tracker, a question/answers site, and everything
   described above



== Migration ==

If Sugar Labs does decide to migrate, the process is fairly
straightforward.

All bugs can be exported from Trac using a well-documented and supported
tool, and be imported into Launchpad projects.

Users who have Trac accounts will have corresponding Launchpad accounts
pregenerated, but they will not be active until the user generates a
password. Users who already have Launchpad accounts will be able to merge
them, or (if they used the same email address) automagically have bugs
reported at SL associated with their extant accounts. (we can opt to not go
this route and have all imported data owned by ~launchpad-janitor)

All Sugar Labs projects would be associated with the sugarlabs
super-project, and would be seen from http://launchpad.net/sugarlabs. We
still get the benefit of having a single page to point people who are
reporting bugs https://launchpad.net/sugarlabs/+filebug or asking
questions https://answers.launchpad.net/sugarlabs/+addquestion.

Since Launchpad does not support native bzr hosting, we have three options:

   - convert to bzr (not probable)


   - use bzr git imports with Launchpad


   - integrate Gitorious with Launchpad via OpenID, write a script for
   project mirroring


   - don't integrate Gitorious at all, and just have slight duplication of
   effort on the developer's part. (even light-weight LP-OID is easy to do)


Based on the above, we'd like to propose that Sugar Labs migrate to
Launchpad, at least for Blueprints, Answers, and Bugs, within a release
cycle.

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Re: [IAEP] new technical list in spanish

[Luke Faraone]

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:15, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:


 Please join if you would like to participate in discussions about
 Sugar development in Spanish.



Won't this have the side effect of a segmented development community? On
which list would consensus be authoritative?
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Re: [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

[Luke Faraone]

On 28/ago/2009, at 11.48, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote:
 It's tragic how they undermine their allies' efforts in their blind  
 zealousness.

Worse than that, it's complete FUD. This is something you'd expect  
from MSFT, but not the FSF. The number of XOs shipped with Windows is  
still 0.

-lf 
  
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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Feedback on Launchpad

[Luke Faraone]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 04:17, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote:


  Cause its close.  Really what I
  think I'm asking for is a comment and vote functionality on
 Blueprints.

 I will forward this request to him and let you know.


I asked around on IRC, and came across this bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueprint/+bug/49698

From what I can tell, work is underway on such support.
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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Feedback on Launchpad

[Luke Faraone]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 08:18, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote:

 Personally I'd like to choose
 Launch Pad. Its open source where Get Satisfaction is only free to us.

 However here is today's problem with LaunchPad

 I want to discuss a features in the roadmap/blueprint.


Well, assuming we make all features have a wikipage, you can discuss it on
that wikipage. (we can later unify login between launchpad and
Wiki/Gitorious so this isn't an issue, as LP is an openID provider)

Launchpad supports setting the full URL for a spec, which can be any web
page. Is that satisfactory?


 I worked around by using the Whiteboard. Maybe this is good enough?


Possibly.

There seems to be no way to vote for a feature/spec.  Given our current
 focus on trying to be responsive to the needs of our users this seems like a
 really important feature.


Hm. I guess we could submit a request to LP asking them to add said feature,
or make it one of our tasks.

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Re: [IAEP] What to report where - Was Re: Sugar on a Stick switches to a new Bug Tracker

[Luke Faraone]

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 17:38, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote:

 One
 question I have is how do I get alerted about Question and bug activity? I 
 didn't see anywhere to set my email alerts.


Well, you can subscribe to individual bugs and questions. For questions, we
can set an answer contact (a group or individiual, usually the former) who
will get mails about all new questions.

For bugs, you can visit https://bugs.launchpad.net/soas/+subscribe (that's
linked from the main soas bugs page as subscribe).

For answers, you can visit
https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+answer-contact (that's linked from the
main soas bug page as set answer contact)

Re answers, I actually had to ask in #launchpad to find out, and the
developers acknowledged that's completely unobvious and an awful name for
such an option. They'll fix that and unify those options in 3.0.

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Re: [IAEP] What to report where - Was Re: Sugar on a Stick switches to a new Bug Tracker

[Luke Faraone]

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 05:11, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero 
dir...@gmail.com wrote:

 and if lauchpad
 is better for that purpose we can translate all our bug infrastructure
 there.. IMHO we shouldn't split bug trackers between sugar and it's
 projects.


Understood. SoaS is currently our guinea pig for Launchpad. After a few
weeks (?) we/IAEP/the-sysadmin-team will evaluate it taking in feedback from
teachers and end users, and we will consider a full migration. (other than
code, as LP only hosts bzr repositories)

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[IAEP] Sugar Labs Membership proposal

[Luke Faraone]

Hi,

There was a recent discussion on IAEP with regards to the management of the
upcoming election. Here is the proposed policy for this cycle:

Before *September 1st, 2009*, new member requests can be sent to members at
sugarlabs dot org if they are not listed on
[[Sugar_Labs/Initial_Members_List]]http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Initial_Members_Listalready.
It should contain the following:

   - Wiki/dev/irc username
   - Explanation of their contribution

I am currently on vacation, and as such will probably not tend to existing
requests until the above date. I (along with Sebastian, who has also agreed
to volunteer) should have a current-election-cycle list out by September 12,
2009. (if either of the dates above should be adjusted, that's fine with me,
later is better)

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Membership proposal

[Luke Faraone]

Bernie,

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 17:23, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:

  * We need to state clearly what the criteria for selection is.
   Our current membership policy [1] is located in an obscure place.
   It could be moved to a separate page and linked from relevant
   pages (members list, etc)


Good idea. I'll see if I can get to that tomorrow.

  * Can we state that anyone who writes to memb...@sugarlabs.org
   will receive an answer within X days?  I'm concerned that potential
   members might be frustrated by silence.


Does two days seem reasonable?

  * Since two people (you and Sebastian) are volunteering for
   membership screening, how are they going to coordinate to avoid
   answering twice (or not at all)?  Something like an RT queue would
   seem useful, but installing an RT instancy only for this purpose
   seems overkill.


We've set up a collaborative worksheet, and are CCing each other on all
replies we make. By the way, if anybody else wants to help out, feel free to
raise your hand on/off list :)


   * I'm looking at last year's membership list and I'm seeing a
   lot of people who disappeared a long time ago.  How are we
   going to clear old memberships?  Wouldn't it be better if we
   asked people to confirm their membership every year?  (asking
   for a small amount of money for membership would make the
   latter step more natural, but I'm not sure we want to do that
   at this time)


I was planning on sending an initial hiya folks, you still around and
interested? email on Sept 3th or 4th. If we don't get a reply in 7 days,
we'll send another email. If we *still* don't get a yay/nay, we'll put them
on a grey area list and remove them for next year if we don't get a reply
by next time around.


   * Is our wiki good enough as a membership management tool? Shouldn't
   we look at some specific application?  I could ask the FSF what
   they're using to manage their members.


Well, assuming we eventually migrate to Launchpad, we can use that. (that's
used to manage Ubuntu Members, among other things, and would be intergrated
with everything else) In the interim, the IML page should be sufficient.


  * We're only giving one week of advance notice to potential
   contributors in a period when people are generally on vacation
   Why couldn't we extend the deadline for submission closer
   to Sep 12?


Sure. Those were just dates I thought would be reasonable. When should they
be changed to?

Disclaimer: Sebastian and I are both running for SLOB slots in the upcoming
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Re: [IAEP] election workflow

[Luke Faraone]

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 14:20, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 The basic premise is that _anyone_ who signs a signed copy of the
 Code of Conduct
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Legal/Code_of_Conduct becomes
 a voting member and receives a @sugarlabs.org alias.


Hm. Sounds like it'd be trivial to ballot-stuff undetectably. I'd still
prefer manual approval, myself, a la Ubuntu's Community Council.

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Re: [IAEP] election workflow

[Luke Faraone]

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 14:42, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Can we assume that you are assuming responsibility for setting up and
 maintaining the community council and membership records mechanism?


Community_council == slobs current, and one week/month/whatever before
election we freeze the membership list (hosted on-wiki as it is currently),
then the SLOBs glance through the list making sure that everybody's
qualified to be on the list.

Low-tech, and better yet, already implemented. (sans the freezing)


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Re: [IAEP] election workflow

[Luke Faraone]

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 14:58, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

   Community_council == slobs current, and one week/month/whatever before
  election we freeze the membership list (hosted on-wiki as it is
 currently),
  then the SLOBs glance through the list making sure that everybody's
  qualified to be on the list.

 Who is qualified to be on the list?


Current policy:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance#Sugar_Labs_Membership

I don't know who is staffing members at sugarlabs dot org, but we already
have a process and criteria for membership. Not sure how that's run
currently, however.
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Re: [IAEP] election workflow

[Luke Faraone]

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 15:14, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Will you serve on the membership committee and verify that the list is
 created and forwarded to slob by a freeze date?  What would be a reasonable
 date by which to have this list ready?


How about this:

Before *September 1st, 2009*, new member requests can be sent to members at
sugarlabs dot org if they are not listed on
[[Sugar_Labs/Initial_Members_List]]http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Initial_Members_Listalready.
It should contain the following:

   - Wiki/dev/irc username
   - Explanation of their contribution (links preferred)

Walter, do you have a list of the email addresses of all people on the
current IML?

I am currently on vacation, and as such will probably not tend to existing
requests until the above date. I should have a current-election-cycle list
out by Sept. 12, 2009. (if either of the dates above should be adjusted,
that's fine with me, later is better)

Anybody else want to join the committee?
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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] sunjammer: VM relocated back to old host

[Luke Faraone]

On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:42, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
 I enabled mod_mem_cache in the hope it will save some computation, but
 if it's not effective we might have to reduce the number of Apache
 processes and start returning 500 server busy errors.

Maybe pipe downloads through the CoralCDN? It tends to be slow, but  
it'll save us bandwidth...

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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] sunjammer: VM relocated back to old host

[Luke Faraone]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 09:00, Daniel Clark dcl...@pobox.com wrote:

 I haven't used it in a while, but a year or two ago
 http://codeen.cs.princeton.edu/ was pretty sweet for large file
 transfers.


Can we use it without any changes on the users' end? From what I saw on the
site, it seems to require proxy configuration in-browser.

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Re: [IAEP] Get Satisfaction

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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 19:44, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote:

 But I would keep meticulously away from setting things up for any
 specific service. It is up to every school to decide what to do.


I think it would be useful to expose a (optionally disableable by the
school) option within the UI to report a problem, which (after gaining the
consent of the user/school/teacher) would send debugging information akin to
what is sent in Ubuntu's apport functionality. It would not be difficult to
do this in both a vendor-neutral way (letting the SL server take care of the
details) and in a way that protects a user's privacy.

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Re: [IAEP] eBook reading advice

[Luke Faraone]

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 09:15, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:

 The plain text version on the website will not work with Read Etexts,
 because that Activity is designed to work with Gutenberg etexts which
 don't require word-wrapping.  However it is possible that the
 Gutenberg site itself will have a version in the correct format,
 because I believe they have Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom as a
 PG file.


No such luck: http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/d#a3826

Maybe since LB is CC_BY_NC_SA, it isn't legally hostable by Project
Gutenberg...

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Fwd: Follow-Up on: looking for two groups of volunteers]

[Luke Faraone]

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 13:55, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote:

 Is there anybody else interested in joining this committee?


Sure, *raises hand for both*.

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Re: [IAEP] eBook reading advice

[Luke Faraone]

On Aug 8, 2009, at 16:26, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com  
wrote:



http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/

Its available in a wide variety of formats. Which one will work best  
in Sugar?


When it first came out, I converted it into an XOL file for use in  
Sugar. Not sure if that file is still hosted there, or if it'll work  
in .84, but that was essentially a packaged version of the HTML copy  
of his book, viewable in the Library of Browse.


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Re: [IAEP] My videos are on Sugar Labs video site

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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:30, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 What is not working for you? Would you mind working with me to turn it
 into a bug report for our infrastructure team?


The videos can only be viewed by those with a @sugarlabs.org account, which
is a small group :)

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Re: [IAEP] A security vs. functionality question

[Luke Faraone]

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 14:28, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu
 wrote:

 Is sharing an activity a sufficient indication of intent from the user to
 execute a potentially dangerous action, such as sharing Terminal on a
 public collaboration server?  To activate a remote VNC client in Gnome,
 users must fill out this settings panel:
 http://www.bani.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/vino-p-g.png .  Unlike
 an Activity, though, once those settings are made, the desktop is
 permanently shared.  An Activity can easily be stopped by a single click
 at any time.



A malicious attacker can type at speeds which would allow malicious commands
to be injected without the user noticing until it is too late.
Also, there is no method for limited sharing.
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Re: [IAEP] A security vs. functionality question

[Luke Faraone]

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 15:02, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu
 wrote:

 I merely mean that users are less likely to leave such a shared activity
 always on.


Good point, unless they forget about it (as they often do in pilots :)

 Also, there is no method for limited sharing.

 Perhaps you are not aware of the Invitations mechanism?  I can invite
 people to an activity, and only those whom I have invited are aware of its
 existence.  Invitations were admittedly not very reliable in older
 software versions; I haven't tried them recently.


No, I wasn't. How secure is that?
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Re: [IAEP] Cloning USB sticks (was: Re: Could a KS file be used in the Fedora11 net install to customize the clone process?)

[Luke Faraone]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 03:03, Sascha Silbe 
sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote:

 [copying USB stick via dd]

 Sucessfully copies the USB stick! this is an exact copy and boot and  runs
 well.

 Just a word of caution: Because it's an exact copy, it will duplicate your
 identity as well if you've ever logged in to Sugar and entered your name
 before on the source USB stick. You will need to remove some files in
 ~/.sugar in order for collaboration to work properly in that case.


Also, per http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device ,
you may get better milage out of your USB disk if you don't use DD, but
rather just copy over the files.

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Re: [IAEP] Is again Community Influence - Re: Lets Get Satisfaction (was: Community Influence)

[Luke Faraone]

Oops, sent too soon.

On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:16, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote:

 On Aug 1, 2009, at 7:45, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 I think OLPC also had this problem and decided to use rt for user
 support and trac for tracking development issues. May be worth asking
 Adam Holt about it?

 Tomeu,

 As someone who worked with the RT system, I can say that it works  
 very well as a CRM for traditional organizations, but it suffers  
 from it's clear separation between employees and users.

 The strongpoint of using a tool such as GetSatisfaction or UserVoice  
 is that it scales well, by allowing people to
... Assist one another and provide a public archive of past problems  
and encounters. It lets anyone join in, and provides for a richer  
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Re: [IAEP] Lets Get Satisfaction (was: Community Influence)

[Luke Faraone]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:35, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.comwrote:

 So while looking around and at various issue tracking systems, I
 discovered GetSatisfaction. I had seen that before already, but wasn't
 sure of its current state. There you go: http://getsatisfaction.com/


We had actually bounced a few ideas around on this same topic on
syst...@lists.sl.o a week ago, and had looked at GS, but were leaning
towards an alternative: http://uservoice.com/. UserVoice has nice plans for
FOSS http://uservoice.com/for/opensource, and is a bit more digg-like in
terms of tracking.

I'm not sure what (if any) limits GS puts on their gratis plan.

I've created both a UserVoice and GS site for IAEP readers to play with, you
can find them at http://sugarlabs.uservoice.com/pages/25031-general, and
http://getsatisfaction.com/sugarlabs. My employee status at GS hasn't been
confirmed yet, and won't be for a couple of days, but when it is, I'll make
anybody who needs to an employee on the site as well.

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Elections at SPI

[Luke Faraone]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:19, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:

 Last year we used http://selectricity.org/ , largely without incident.  Do
 you have a reason to do otherwise this year?


This reason:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 17:51, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 there was some concern that Selectricity had some flaws and security holes


Also having a 3rd party allows for greater accountability and transparency.

Also, the Schulze method can only be used to elect a single winner.  It

does not describe any mechanism for multi-winner elections such as this one.

Ok, then.  What would you recommend?

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[IAEP] Sugar Labs Elections at SPI

[Luke Faraone]

Hi,

Sugar Labs is a non-profit under the Software Freedom Conservancy which
develops and maintains the Sugar Learning Platform, the GNU/Linux Graphical
User Interface used on the OLPC XO-1 and elsewhere. The majority of the
software we release is under the GPL (some under MIT/new-BSD). We also
actively work to foster pilots of GNU/Linux-based learning systems in both
the third and first world.

We were planning to have our second annual board election, and were
wondering if SPI would be willing to hold/host it as a neutral third party.
We would be able to provide SPI with a list of member email addresses, as
well as a list of candidates, and would ideally like a randomized ballot
which was tallied under the
Schulze_methodhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method.
We are attempting to fill 7 seats on the board.

We would have our 2010 membership list finalized towards the end of August,
and, if convenient, would like to hold the election around that time.

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[IAEP] Ivan's Sugar post Slashdotted

[Luke Faraone]

Hi all,

If you haven't seen it already, Ivan Krstić's notebook
posthttp://radian.org/notebook/nonsense-omeletreplying to (somewhat
misquoted)
comments made by Nicholas Negroponte in ZDNet about Sugar's role in OLPC's
success. (or lack, thereof)

You can check out the story, with associated comments, at
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/26/2340234/Ivan-Krsti263-Says-Negropontes-Wrong-About-Sugar-and-OLPC
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Board elections (was Re: Sugar Digest 2009-07-22)

[Luke Faraone]

On Jul 24, 2009, at 17:51, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com  
wrote:
 Well, there is making sure that the membership list is up to date;
 there was some concern that Selectricity had some flaws and security
 holes; not too much else.

Could we ask Software in the Public Interest, the group behind Debian  
and other FLOSS projects, to hold the election as a neutral 3rd party?  
They have held the Wikimedia elections in the past, and would probably  
be happy to help.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar as desktop os

[Luke Faraone]

2009/7/10 Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com


  In addition it seems that they all require a sugar-
  emulator and it's not clear to me what is being emulated.

 It's just the name of the program that starts everything. It is in a
 sense emulating an XO within a separate X session. But it isn't the
 fake version of some original that we're hiding from you. :)


To be clear, no software is being emulated; sugar-emulator simply lets sugar
run inside a self-contained window so as to not mess up the display of your
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Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing

[Luke Faraone]

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 15:29, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

   One thing we spoke about here locally was getting some thin client
  device that was really certified to work with Sugar and whatever
  distro... It would be a necessary requirement for country level
  deployments...

 Sounds good, what's the work that needs to be done in order to reach there?


Sorry to revive an ancient thread, but I recently met with some of the folks
from NComputing at a recent conference. They seemed very interested in
getting Sugar verified as working with their thin-client-like hardware, so
that they can offer it as a supported (by them) option to their deployments.
I'm currently in the process of getting it to work with the most recent
releases of Fedora and Ubuntu, and will report back with my progress.

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Re: [IAEP] SoasS-strawberry torrent

[Luke Faraone]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:41, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

  I don't know anything about torrents or trackers.

 I just asked Sameer to do what he did with the olpc photos last week.
 If anyone has better ideas they would be appriaciated.


It should be trivial to modify the torrent to be multi-tracker; it doens't
hurt to be in many different places as once.



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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Wired article on OLPC

[Luke Faraone]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 14:29, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote:

 This is really weird, a good friend of mine works at geekdad and I heard
 nothing about this before hand.  The end of the article says: Check back
 next week for Part 2: the XO-1 Hardware Platform  Maybe I can convince them
 of a ...Part 3: Sugar


I emailed the author about the work we're doing at SL etc, and pointed him
towards our PR pages and marketing list.

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Re: [IAEP] Subscribing to planet

[Luke Faraone]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 20:44, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 At the risk of revealing my low level of web foo

 Is it possible to subscribe to planet.sugarlabs.org. I forget to check
 it and end up missing the older posts.


Yes, see http://planet.sugarlabs.org/atom.xml

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.

[Luke Faraone]

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 18:43, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:

  It sound like another great, low impact (I am trying to think of a term
 like 'carbon foot print' to properly reflect the impact) way of
 bringing LTSP into the class room.

 polite or gentle perhaps?

 or non-invasive?  Emphasizing what is avoided: invading - potentially
 taking over, accidentally or on purpose, the computers


Granted, you would *need* to check with your local systems administrator
before implementing LTSP. (as opposed to a lower-risk USB-local-booting
solution) At my school, for example, netbooting a workstation starts the
recloning process of loading a new Windows XP image; setting up LTSP
without asking would cause major problems with their work.
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-06-01

[Luke Faraone]

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 07:51, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:

 2. Bruce Byfield wrote an article for Activities and the move to
 context-oriented desktops for LWN.net for which he interviewed Gary
 Martin. The article is subscriber-only, so I have extract a few
 quotes.


Here's a link that would allow you to view the article in question:
http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334911/bcde5a60dda0c375/
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

[Luke Faraone]

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within
 Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience
 (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar
 usually loads is I think desirable


I don't think it would be a problem, as long as the customization calls on a
regeneration of *static* images to display, rather than creating the images
at boot time based on configuration files. This way, there would be no
performance penalty. (wrt customization, we should limit it to things like
distro logos and the name of the school/lab)

Not to clutter it up, but it also might be useful to as well as a visual
indicator of the boot mechanism (SoaS vs. local booting vs. helper CD) so as
to assist in debugging etc.


On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 13:07, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 For Sugar, the new Hello World tutorial could be its boot Activities for
 Learners:  Each development tool (Pippy, Turtle Art, Etoys, others, even
 Forth) should provide an Activity to build the start-up sequence.  Learners
 could play with the tools to build an endless variety of start-up spots,
 modify and preview from a library of saved sequences, learn all sorts of
 things about the system, the different tools, and of course, designate one
 sequence to display on the next boot.

 The work space is both sufficiently small and necessarily limited, so that
 robustness could be provided, while at the same time, the content of the
 sequences is limited only by the imagination.  Learners will be able to take
 pride in a working sequence based on their modifications!

 I imagine that simple cartoons with embedded, single point or short point
 lessons, messages, and humor would become popular.  Brief jingles would
 develop a currency like ring tones.  And so on, *ad infinitum*!


This would be difficult to do in a multi-user system, and even more so to
coordinate with implementing a bitfrost security model. Rebooting shouldn't
happen that often that the user has to care about customizing it.

Ideally, we should get the boot-time down to be short enough that you won't
even notice such things, let alone using the time for notifications or board
messages!


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[IAEP] GHOP for Sugar Labs

[Luke Faraone]

In the past, Google has held a program similar to GSoC known as
GHOPhttp://code.google.com/opensource/ghop/2007-8/,
or the Google Highly Open Participation contest.

Unlike GSoC, it is more limited in the projects that can enter, but projects
are not limited in number of slots, as things are broken down into tasks,
which can usually be completed quickly. It is also open to high school
students.

Can we ask our GSoC contacts if we would be able to enter the 2009-10
programhttp://groups.google.com/group/ghop-discuss/browse_thread/thread/6fd119e7eb8280a1
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Re: [IAEP] zareason offering ubuntu on a strick

[Luke Faraone]

2009/5/28 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org

 ZaReason is an ubuntu shop.  Ubuntu is not well regarded for pushing
 improvements back upstream.  On the other hand, every linux on usb
 user drives the product forward.


That's a bit unfounded: Canonical submits a large number of patches in
proportion to the number of people under their employ.

I'm sure an argument can be made that often patches made to packages in *
universe* don't always get back to Debian or the orginal vendor, but most of
the time it's due to politics or simply lack of time.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Important Schedule Changes - Please Read!

[Luke Faraone]

2009/5/26 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com

 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
  On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 18:38, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
  What we call beta - can't be announced as is working out of the box.
  I completely agree... nor can what we call v1 be announced as working
  out of the box if it can't :-(
 
  On the upside, little non-trivial software can be said to work out of
  the box for the general public.
 
  Regards,
 
  Tomeu

 We should be able to say with confidence that SoaS works everywhere
 that the Fedora LiveUSB works. No more, no less. And tell a story
 around that.


I'm hoping to do a little bit more: by formatting flash drives in a special
way we can gain compatability with a large number of BIOSes which are only
compatable with USB_ZIP, an older system which is very particular about what
it expects from a disk. There's very little potential for regression, and
this alternate formatting is (imho) easier to deal with.

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] can OLPC be applied to receiving information from the user population?

[Luke Faraone]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 17:17, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:

 Was reading 'Don't! (The secret of self-control)' (by Jonah Lehrer)
 in the May 18 issue of 'The New Yorker'.  In that article, a
 psychology experiment (developed I believe by a team headed by John
 Jonides at the University of Michigan) is described:  Subjects are
 shown a list of four random words, two in red text and two in blue
 text.  After reading the words, they are told to forget the blue
 words and remember the red words.  Later, the subjects are shown a
 stream of words, and for each are asked if it was a word they were
 told to remember.  [The scientists are counting how often incorrect
 (blue) words are remembered by individual subjects.]

 Seems to me homework consists of a teacher handing out work - the
 pupil returns the result - the teacher evaluates what was returned.
  Here we have a very similar situation - a scientist hands out work
 - the subject returns the result - the scientist evaluates what was
 returned.


Sort of like a tiny built-in Activity-aware Sugar email client?
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Re: [IAEP] SoaS on a MacBook?

[Luke Faraone]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Hi...
 I've been trying to get the SugarLabs usb stick, Walter so kindly sent, to
 boot on my MacBook.  I can get it to recognize the stick but when I try to
 boot from it, following the instructions from Apple Tech Support, it goes
 instead into OSX.  The stick shows as a third drive on my desktop and I can
 open it and see that the files are there.  The read me file comes up
 blank.


When you reboot, did you hold down C? (while the screen is off before the
apple logo)



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Re: [IAEP] Recommend boot-helper CD as the first experience with Sugar on a Stick rather then setting the BIOS

[Luke Faraone]

On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 12:33 -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote:

 In my opinion, the simpler the feedback, the wider the
 cross-section
 of users will be from a technically-adept point of view. By
 that I
 mean we will garner feedback (valuable I think) from non
 computer
 whizzes. I'm more worried about them. Simplicity of use is I
 think
 vital to SoaS success.
 
 I fear that many users will encounter difficulties 1) loading
 a USB
 stick, 2) setting BIOS to boot from it.
 
 
 As for #2, I've tried to rearrange the instructions so that a naive
 user is encouraged to create a boot-helper CD and use that and the USB
 for the first experience as I think that will have a much better first
 time success rate.  It would be great if people looked over what I've
 done and improve on it.


We could also leverage the Smart Boot Loader, which we can install on
the local machine to put it as an entry in the boot menu. When clicked,
it would load up the kernel from the USB key and doesn't require a CD.
I'll write up instructions/make the binary in a bit. 

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Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List

[Luke Faraone]

We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into a
table.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Kathy Pusztavari
ka...@kathyandcalvin.comwrote:

  Yep, the wiki would be great.  Just need to set up a table

 -Original Message-
 From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Marten Vijn
 Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:58 AM
 To: Caroline Meeks
 Cc: IAEP SugarLabs
 Subject: Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List

 On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 12:09 -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote:
  People are starting to use SoaS! which means they are starting to
  report which wireless cards, video cards and computers its not working
  on.
 
  We could really use someone to keep up a list of what we know works
  and doesn't on which dates, and what tickets have been filed.  Either
  using a wiki or Google docs and the cool looking Forms feature.

 Aye!
 Let's use a wiki for this, I 've got 10-15 pieces of hardware I could test
 every now and then.

 It would be nice of a list what to test.

 Kind regards,
 Marten


  Thanks!
  Caroline
 
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Re: [IAEP] Options for having Flash work in Browse on SoaS and on Demo Sticks?

[Luke Faraone]

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Caroline Meeks
carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote:

 Hi,

 As I understand the law, if Solution Grove was creating USB sticks for a
 specific school we could load the adobe flash plugin onto every stick prior
 to giving them to the students. I think this is the same basic case as a
 company IT department distributing flash plugins to all the computers in the
 company.

 On the other hand, Sugar Labs can not install the flash plugin into the
 SoaS we offer for download on the sugarlabs.org website.

 My first question is about the grey area.

 If we are burning sticks and giving them out at a conference (such as
 FOSSVT) can we have the flash plugin pre-installed?


IANAL, and this is something that SG might want to see one about, but  per
http://www.adobe.com/products/players/fpsh_distribution1.html :

Licensee is permitted to distribute Adobe Web Players to multiple end-users
by including the Player installers on CDs, DVDs or other physical media.

Meaning you can include the installers, but cannot preinstall them.


 What are our different options for improving the user experience when a
 user browses to a YouTube video on Browse on a SoaS image?



   1. Do nothing and let the user fend for herself. This is the current
   option.
   2. Partner with them as David suggested.
   3. Bring up a window explaining the various alternatives and letting the
   user choose whether to install free/nonfree plugins. We also would need to
   give a management console so the user could reverse/undo their choices.
   4. Do the same as 2 but only offer Adobe's version. We can make this so
   that it's literally a yes, please download and install it and a accept
   this EULA (which ironically is not binding on our subjects) button.
   5. Finally, we could ship the sticks with a script which downloads or
   installs Adobe's plugin the first time it is connected to the internet
   without any user intervention.


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Re: [IAEP] Opening Page for Browse

[Luke Faraone]

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Caroline Meeks
carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote:

 How hard is it to change this page? I think any deployment of any size
 would want to customize it.


It's a single HTML file that you can have your deployment script run a
search-replace on. It should be trivial to modify to your needs.

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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Do not open a new window for menu link on sugarlabs.org

[Luke Faraone]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote:

   Also, are the forums used?  It would seem that if we really do our work
 via the lists, we should make the list archives prominent on the site and
 forget forums.


Wha? We have forums? As far as I know, the only remotely forum-esque thing
we have is Nabble http://n2.nabble.com/SugarLabs-f1511649.html forum-like
setup which is synced with the ML.


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