Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A show of excitement and source of motivation for everyone here

[Sumit Srivastava]

Hi,

I agree that I should have credited you for that answer. Will credit you
appropriately in the answer about Grayscale.

Let me know if you've any updates that I could make in any other comments
(like browse comment). I'll happily do so with credit.

Thanks,
Sumit

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 1:15 AM James Cameron  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 09:23:18PM +0530, Sumit Srivastava wrote:
> > Just came across this one-year-old comment of mine on a YouTube
> > video titled "The Coolest Netbook You’ve Forgotten About: The OLPC
> > XO-1" when someone commented on my comment about 2 hours ago. [Link
> > to the video: [1]https:// youtu.be/UPP4ClRmVik]
> >
> > I thought that I'd share it all of you on the mailing list since it
> > shows that people are still excited to hear about the cool stuff
> > that the people here have built and the impact you're delivering
> > each and every day. All of you are awesome!
> >
> > Sharing the whole YouTube comment transcript here, without any
> > editing:
>
> Thanks.  Reviewed.
>
> Your answer about Browse is out of date.  You probably used Wiki pages
> that have not been updated for over a decade.  Browse uses WebKit now.
>
> When you copy text written by someone else, please do credit them
> appropriately.
>
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2019-June/056969.html
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md#be-considerate
>
> --
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[IAEP] A show of excitement and source of motivation for everyone here

[Sumit Srivastava]

Just came across this one-year-old comment of mine on a YouTube video
titled "The Coolest Netbook You’ve Forgotten About: The OLPC XO-1" when
someone commented on my comment about 2 hours ago. [Link to the video:
https://youtu.be/UPP4ClRmVik]

I thought that I'd share it all of you on the mailing list since it shows
that people are still excited to hear about the cool stuff that the people
here have built and the impact you're delivering each and every day. All of
you are awesome!

Sharing the whole YouTube comment transcript here, without any editing:




Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
Hi, I'm from SugarLabs, the organisation that makes the software that OLPC
laptops (and a lot more devices) run on.

Happy to answer any questions. Please ask.

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generic Josh number 96
generic Josh number 96
1 year ago
Do you know if the display is switching modes with the greyscale thing?
Very curious how the screen works

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Alex
Alex
1 year ago
Have the laptops been upgraded over the years or have they stayed with the
same exact hardware as initially? Eg bigger storage, Ram, a touchscreen,
etc?

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Sumit Srivastava
Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
@generic Josh number 96 I have a better resource for you to read up on this
display:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display

It serves a good intro to the OLPC display.

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Sumit Srivastava
Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
@generic Josh number 96 Thanks for asking.

A kernel configuration file is used to select colour or grayscale
mode in the driver, and thus the display controller ASIC.  This is in
the kernel sources.

The keyboard shim detects brightness control keys and manages the
backlight power.  When the backlight is turned off, the grayscale mode
is enabled.  When the backlight is turned on, the grayscale mode is
disabled.  This is in the keyboard shim sources.

On the XO-1.75 and XO-4 models, a reverse biased red LED in the same
SMT package as the green storage LED is used as an ambient light
sensor.  The power management daemon (powerd) detects high ambient
light and turns off the backlight and turns on the grayscale mode.
The backlight is turned off to save power, and increase running time
on battery.  This is in the powerd sources.

However, without any change to backlight brightness or mode switching,
full sunlight does appear as greyscale, because the human eye can't
discern the small amount of colour emitted by the backlight compared
to the large amount of white light reflected from the sun.

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Sumit Srivastava
Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
@Alex  The hardware has been regularly updated with release of newer models.

For example, XO-4 (the latest one) has a touchscreen variant and improved
hardware.

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Alex
Alex
1 year ago
What engine is the SugarXO browser based on?

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Sumit Srivastava
Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
@Alex The simple browser also called browse activity is implemented using
HulaHop library and uses Gecko rendering engine(same as Firefox). Other
browsers available for XO laptops are Opera and Firefox. :)

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Alex
Alex
1 year ago
@Sumit Srivastava Really??? Opera and Firefox can run on these laptops???
I'm impressed!

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Sumit Srivastava
Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
@Alex these laptops are not underpowered, they're just aimed at children
who want to learn, and appropriately capable to do so. :)

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velleda
velleda
1 year ago
Exactly why do you need a developer key to boot things other than official
OS builds, and why does it take 24 hours to get one?

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Sumit Srivastava
Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
@velleda because this was designed with security and antitheft in mind, and
it's pretty secure, along with being fun to play with.

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Sumit Srivastava
Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
@velleda also, thank you for asking. Here's a link to your question, if you
want to read a long explanation:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_key_philosophy

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TheSola10
TheSola10
1 year ago
Would it be interesting to switch OLPC to Silverblue/OSTree for increased
reliability and less required maintenance?



Sumit Srivastava
Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
@TheSola10 Sugar OS is designed specifically with young children in mind.
All our decisions, designs, usability considerations are made with that
thing in mind. I don't think any other organisation would want to do that
with OS.

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James Livesey
James Livesey
1 year ago
@NiggaNig420 TOONZ They're giving their best efforts to help. They may or
may not be part of Sugar Labs (and in their defence it's hard to verify),
but they are providing people with helpful answers, so please don't be so
rude!

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Kintaro oe
Kintaro oe
1 year ago
any way to unlock the bios? me and my father tried to install xp countless
times but the bios didnt allow us to, it would make my childhood dream
finally complete

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Sumit Srivastava
Sumit Srivastava
1 year ago
@Kintaro oeyes, you can install other operating sys

Re: [IAEP] Music Blocks v3.3

[Sumit Srivastava]

High praises for all the students for doing the amazing work and huge
thanks to Walter for guiding all of us!

- Sumit

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 5:42 AM Walter Bender  wrote:

> V3.3 has just been released. Read all about it here [1].Thanks to the
> efforts of Anindya Kundu (@meganindya) Aviral Gangwar (@aviral243), and
> Saksham Mrig (@sksum), we have made tremendous progress on Music Blocks
> this summer. (Tip-of-the-hat to the GSoC mentors as well: Favor, Sumit, and
> Devin.)
>
> enjoy.
>
> -walter
>
> [1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/releases/tag/v3.3
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tom Gilliard

[Sumit Srivastava]

Extremely sad to hear about this news.

- Sumit

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 2:01 PM Vaibhav Aren  wrote:

> Very sad to hear. He was always around in IRC. Will miss him.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 1:26 PM Hrishi Patel 
> wrote:
>
>> That's so sad. He helped me a lot in testing.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 11:12 AM Jaskirat Singh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very sad to hear that.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020, 8:44 am Dave Crossland,  wrote:
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] Volunteering at Sugar - IEAP

[Sumit Srivastava]

Don't worry. Now that you've shown interest in contributing to Sugar, James
will respond.

He's extremely active on the mailing list. I've CC'd him if you want to
reach out personally.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 11:23 PM Rahul Vaish 
wrote:

> Hi Sumit,
>
> Thanks a lot for your response. Project sugar looks interesting to me!
> Can you refer me to someone who is an active contributor to sugar, or/and
> where can I see the task pipeline(if that is public)?
>
> Regards,
> Rahul V.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:51 PM Sumit Srivastava 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rahul,
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in contributing to Sugar Labs. I am a
>> contributor to Musicblocks.
>>
>> There are three major projects that you can contribute to:
>>
>> Sugar
>> Sugarizer
>> Musicblocks
>>
>> Python: Sugar has many activities that you can help maintain, or port to
>> python 3.
>>
>> JavaScript: Musicblocks is going through a major refactoring and is
>> setting up testing for code quality.
>>
>> I don't know much about things Sugarizer needs help with, but I'm sure
>> others can chime in if there's anything.
>>
>> Thanks for your interest, I hope to see you contribute soon.
>>
>> Best,
>> Sumit
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 5:13 PM Rahul Vaish 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Team,
>>>
>>> I am a software engineer and I am looking forward to some volunteering
>>> activities with Sugar. Is there any project (Tech/NonTech) currently,
>>> running, where I can contribute/participate? I shall be more than happy to
>>> extend my time and efforts for OLPC.
>>>
>>> *P.S. Understanding this is a group email - Anyone can email me
>>> separately/ or on this email as per his/her will. Thanks again !!*
>>>
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>>> Rahul Vaish
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>
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Re: [IAEP] Volunteering at Sugar - IEAP

[Sumit Srivastava]

Hi Rahul,

Thank you for your interest in contributing to Sugar Labs. I am a
contributor to Musicblocks.

There are three major projects that you can contribute to:

Sugar
Sugarizer
Musicblocks

Python: Sugar has many activities that you can help maintain, or port to
python 3.

JavaScript: Musicblocks is going through a major refactoring and is setting
up testing for code quality.

I don't know much about things Sugarizer needs help with, but I'm sure
others can chime in if there's anything.

Thanks for your interest, I hope to see you contribute soon.

Best,
Sumit

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 5:13 PM Rahul Vaish  wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> I am a software engineer and I am looking forward to some volunteering
> activities with Sugar. Is there any project (Tech/NonTech) currently,
> running, where I can contribute/participate? I shall be more than happy to
> extend my time and efforts for OLPC.
>
> *P.S. Understanding this is a group email - Anyone can email me
> separately/ or on this email as per his/her will. Thanks again !!*
>
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> Rahul Vaish
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Announcement] Sugarizer v1.3 is available for your device

[Sumit Srivastava]

Congratulations!!

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 3:04 AM Lionel Laské  wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm proud to announce the version 1.3 of Sugarizer, the leading learning
> platform for children.
>
> http://sugarizer.org
>
> New in this version:
>
>- Calligra activity: Primary school teachers asked us, it's done!
>Calligra is a fun activity to help kids learn cursive writing:
>letters, numbers or figures. You could even create your own figures!
>
>
>- Falabracman activity: It was one of children favorite Sugar
>activities all over the world  since its creation in 2008 in Brazil. The
>addictive Falabracman game is back. Learn words by collecting all the
>letters in the right order.
>- Piano mode in TamTam activity: Choose your instrument then display a
>small piano keyboard to play your favorites melodies using this instrument.
>Never been so easy to play music.
>- Set time mode in Clock activity: Set clock hands by yourself or play
>to find the hand position matching a specific time.
>- Smartphone support: Of course a smartphone is not the ideal device
>for Sugarizer but we can't ignore an opportunity to learn. So most
>activities propose now a full screen mode to be easily usable on small
>screens.
>- Tutorial everywhere: You've got a doubt about features of an
>activity? Now every activities include a full tutorial to explain how it
>works step by step.
>- Improved stability: more than 100 fix and update on Sugarizer and
>activities.
>
> A short animation of these features is visible here:
> https://youtu.be/kwhvWROHb2Q
>
> Teachers use Sugarizer in 30 schools today. If it's good for them, why
> not for your children?
>
> Sugarizer 1.3  is available on your browser [1] but also for your
> Android, iOS, Linux, MacOS or Windows device. Download it from : Google
> Play [2], Amazon Store [3], Apple Store [4], F-droid [5], snapcraft [6]
> and if you don't like stores, you could also install it by yourself using
> instructions on the Sugarizer website [7].
>
> On Android, Sugarizer could also replace your launcher with Sugarizer OS
> [8].
>
> And if you want to deploy Sugarizer Server for your school, follow
> instructions here [9].
>
>Lionel Laské
>
>
> P.S.: Special thanks for their contribution on this version to Prakash
> Ujjwal (Falabracman activity, Set time mode in Clock activity), Marcus
> Chong (Piano mode in TamTam activity) and to all GCI students
> specifically Andrea Gonzales, Nathan Dimmer, sdziuda and Sashreek Magan.
>
>
>
> [1] http://try.sugarizer.org
>
> [2]
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.olpc_france.sugarizer
>
> [3] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NKK7PZA
>
> [4] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sugarizer/id978495303
>
> [5] https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.olpc_france.sugarizer
>
> [6] https://snapcraft.io/sugarizer
>
> [7] https://sugarizer.org
>
> [8]
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.olpc_france.sugarizeros
>
> [9] https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer-server
>
> [10] https://sugarizer.org#desktop
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Google Code-in 2019

[Sumit Srivastava]

Yes, Aniket!

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019, 2:19 AM ANIKET MATHUR  wrote:

> G'day everyone,
>
> I wish to mentor GCI 2019 for Sugar Labs. I have a query about how to add
> my name to the mentor list on the wiki page,
> do I need a Sugar Labs wiki account for that?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:23 PM Euan Ong  wrote:
>
>> Dear Walter,
>>
>> Great to see Sugar Labs has been accepted for GCI 2019 :) I'd definitely
>> be interested in mentoring this year.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Euan
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 22:56, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've begun putting together our application to GCI 2019. And I have
>>> created a page in the wiki with background information [2]
>>>
>>> If you are interested in mentoring, please let me know (and add your
>>> name to the list at the bottom of the wiki page.). Please indicate what
>>> areas you wish to help with (coding, design, research, documentation, and
>>> QA) and relevant experience in the Sugar Labs community.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to GCI.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> [1] https://codein.withgoogle.com/
>>> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2019
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] GCI 2019

[Sumit Srivastava]

Whoohoo!

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 10:37 PM Walter Bender 
wrote:

> Sugar Labs has been selected as a Google Code-in 2019 mentor organization.
> I'll send some details this evening.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> --
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Re: [IAEP] Google Code-in 2019

[Sumit Srivastava]

Yay! All the best to everyone involved with the ambitious mission of Sugar
Labs!

Regards
Sumit

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 3:25 AM Walter Bender  wrote:

> I've begun putting together our application to GCI 2019. And I have
> created a page in the wiki with background information [2]
>
> If you are interested in mentoring, please let me know (and add your name
> to the list at the bottom of the wiki page.). Please indicate what areas
> you wish to help with (coding, design, research, documentation, and QA) and
> relevant experience in the Sugar Labs community.
>
> Looking forward to GCI.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> [1] https://codein.withgoogle.com/
> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2019
>
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Re: [IAEP] I want to help

[Sumit Srivastava]

Welcome Daniel! We would love to have you as a part of the team. Can you
share some of your work with us so that we can know at what stage you might
be able to help with?

Happy to help and excited to have you!

Regards
Sumit

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019, 11:31 AM Daniel eche  wrote:

> Hello my names Daniel Eche,  I am a designer , and I would love to be part
> of sugar.
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Re: [IAEP] What's the long term vision of Sugar Labs?

[Sumit Srivastava]

Walter,

Thank you for responding, you've been with SL before it even started, it
really matters to us.

Please also address this question:

If we could achieve anything, what would we want?

This might really help us improve our plans for the future.

Regards

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, 8:42 pm Walter Bender,  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:49 AM Sumit Srivastava 
> wrote:
>
>> Insightful inputs, Tony. I want to discuss all of the stuff being talked
>> about here, but not now.
>>
>> Please keep the emails coming, we need more of them from the community,
>> especially people who've been with SL for a long time.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, 11:31 am Tony Anderson, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>
>> Later OLPC split into two organizations: OLPC and SugarLabs. OLPC for
>>> the production and distribution of the XO laptop and SugarLabs for
>>> implementation and support of the software (Sugar). This split has had
>>> important historical consequences: SugarLabs views itself as only
>>> developing the software but not supporting it as a product - that task
>>> is left to OLPC (for the XO) and Linux distributions for other
>>> platforms. This creates a gap between Sugar Labs and its user community.
>>>
>>
> I respectfully disagree with Tony on this point. A consequence of the
> split is the Sugar Labs does not have the same access to deployments that
> it did when there was just one organization. But whenever we have been
> given the opportunity to directly work with a deployment, we have been
> responsive. The gap does exist, but only when we are left out of the
> discussion.
>
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> One possible future for Sugar is that it is honorably retired along with
>>> the XO to computer history. Perhaps recorded as a forerunner of the
>>> Raspberry Pi.
>>>
>>
> In fact, the Sugar experience on RPi is pretty terrific. Some of us have
> been pushing hard to get more pickup in the communities that embrace RPi.
>
>>
>>> Another future for Sugar is that it again asks 'How can the
>>> technological advances in computing be harnessed to bring the ideals of
>>> the Dynabook closer to reality?" What can we learn from the Raspberry Pi
>>> and the Maker community? Is the Dynabook to be a phone or virtual
>>> reality headgear or a game machine?
>>>
>>
> While I think the maker movement is great stuff (and one of the
> education-ideas-du-jour) I don't think it is always as focused on
> Contructonism as construction. I think we have some features, such as the
> journal and portfolio activity, that could help focus the learning
> potential of that movement.
>
>>
>>> The critical requirement to avoid retirement is to make Sugar viable as
>>> an educational computing environment on the current generation of laptop
>>> computers. This encompasses far more than converting code from Python to
>>> Python3 or GTK2 to GTK3 to GTK4 to GTK99. One brilliant solution is
>>> Sugarizer which eliminates Python altogether. However, this comes at a
>>> high price and brings great opportunity - reconstruction of the vast
>>> library of Sugar activities. This is a chance to review the history of
>>> these activities and to see how they can be done more effectively based
>>> on that experience.
>>>
>>
> We put a lot of effort into making Sugar be accessible to its users at
> both the level of user and developer and I continue to believe that is a
> central aspect of our value-add. While I am largely platform agnostic, I
> don't see the current efforts in JavaScript as being focus on this. I had
> begun a somewhat facetious project years back: turtles all the way down,
> where we would write every Sugar activity in Turtle Blocks. This is more in
> the spirit of the Dynabook and Smalltalk (or Etoys). If we want to be more
> than a collection of apps, we need to thing bigger.
>
>>
>>> The current GSOC Write project shows that Python has many meaningful
>>> capabilities not yet available in Javascript. As usual, this has been
>>> interpreted as a problem in programming. Do we want a Javascript
>>> emulator of Word? What role does 'Write' plays in a constructionist
>>> Dynabook (preparing, editing, and publishing documents)? Such a question
>>> might lead to additional questions: Do we have to make the activity look
>>> like Word? Does a 'Dynabook' need a keyboard? Will we prepare documents
>>> in the future by verbal dictation? Will computer speech recognition and
>>> production elim

Re: [IAEP] What's the long term vision of Sugar Labs?

[Sumit Srivastava]

ll, we need to renew spirit of the 'Give 1 Get 1' time, with
> contributors submitting Sugar activities and sponsors obtaining laptops
> to supply a school in the developing world, where the internet and
> computing have not yet taken root. This spirit has to be based on an
> expansion of the user-base on contemporary computers (e.g. Sugarizer,
> SOAS, 'sucre'). It also needs an appreciation of the expanding horizons
> available to computing - speech recognition, computer vision, massive
> data bases, machine learning, inexpensive sensors, robots, symbolic
> mathematics, ...). The critical attitude is to focus on 'what did you
> make?' and 'how did you make it?' and to avoid the temptation to do it
> for the user because you can do it better and more efficiently.
>
> In a classroom, knowledge is available to translate program text in
> English into the native language of the learner. This is an opportunity
> for a learner to improve English vocabulary by deciding on the
> appropriate equivalence in the native language of English words and
> phrases in the program. This is a clear opportunity for contructionist
> learning.  However, this task is done very accurately and efficiently by
> a team of experts without learner participation.
>
> Tony
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> > 1. What's the long term vision of Sugar Labs? (Sumit Srivastava)
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> > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 05:30:55 +0530
> > From: Sumit Srivastava 
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> > Do we aim to be like Red Hat? Canonical? No match? Who are we closest to?
> > Who do we aim to be?
> >
> > I understand that these are a lot of questions. You can also share
> relevant
> > mail archive links if they're available.
> >
> > I also understand that we're a non profit and the organisations I
> mentioned
> > might not be a close match.
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> > Essense of my question: If we could achieve anything, what would we want?
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> > Sumit,
> >
> > Great questions, and they're particularly relevant at this phase/age of
> > the existence of Sugar Labs. They certainly can't be answered in a
> > single e-mail, however I think this is a perfect conversation to have,
> > particularly on our IAEP mailing list, which is our general purpose
> > mailing list.
> >
> > Sumit Srivastava wrote on 3/28/19 5:00 PM:
> >> Do we aim to be like Red Hat? Canonical? No match? Who are we closest
> >> to? Who do we aim to be?
> > Speaking as an Oversight Board member, I do not believe it is in the
> > interest of Sugar Labs to attempt to emulate a company like Red Hat and
> > Canonical. These companies have hundreds/thousands of paid employees,
> > and their organizational structure is a product of the needs of their
> > corp

Re: [IAEP] What's the long term vision of Sugar Labs?

[Sumit Srivastava]

Great points, Alex.

I would love to hear from all of you, especially the senior members of the
SL community, before we discuss all the points one by one.

Regards
Sumit

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, 6:49 am Alex Perez,  wrote:

> Sumit,
>
> Great questions, and they're particularly relevant at this phase/age of
> the existence of Sugar Labs. They certainly can't be answered in a single
> e-mail, however I think this is a perfect conversation to have,
> particularly on our IAEP mailing list, which is our general purpose mailing
> list.
>
> Sumit Srivastava wrote on 3/28/19 5:00 PM:
>
> Do we aim to be like Red Hat? Canonical? No match? Who are we closest to?
> Who do we aim to be?
>
>
> Speaking as an Oversight Board member, I do not believe it is in the
> interest of Sugar Labs to attempt to emulate a company like Red Hat and
> Canonical. These companies have hundreds/thousands of paid employees, and
> their organizational structure is a product of the needs of their corporate
> customers.
>
> Right now, we have a few existential problems on the horizon, one of which
> is a long term problem, but which we now need to address in the short-term:
> Maintainability. Sugar has a lot of "technical debt", and unless we can
> complete our goal of 100% Python 3 compatibility of all core Sugar
> libraries and the toolkit, we risk the loss of being able to be run as a
> desktop environment on current versions of Linux, due to our reliance on
> Python 2. Since Python 2 has been on life support for many, many years, and
> is only nine months from being officially retired, it will no longer be
> maintained by the Python Foundation, nor included by default in the next
> versions of Fedora and Ubuntu. You can read further details about the
> sunsetting of Python 2 at https://pythonclock.org
>
> <https://pythonclock.org/>
>
>
> I understand that these are a lot of questions. You can also share
> relevant mail archive links if they're available.
>
> I also understand that we're a non profit and the organisations I
> mentioned might not be a close match.
>
> I personally do not think the core entity of Sugar Labs should be a
> commercial entity, but non-profit organizations are completely entitled to
> be profitable, and many are quite  for the profitable. Personally, I would
> like to see the development of a federated model, where we have
> country/regionally-centered "chapters" of Sugar Labs, with Sugar Labs
> itself taking the in-the-field feedback from our distributed user base, and
> incorporating and triaging suggestions/feedback,
>
>
> Essense of my question: If we could achieve anything, what would we want?
>
> I would love to see a world where Sugar was used extensively, worldwide,
> by children in the primary school age range, with a wide range of
> actively-maintained activities, relevant to the current curricula of a
> variety of countries, and of interest to elementary school teachers, across
> all socioeconomic groups. How we get there is the real question, assuming
> we want to, and have the organizational will to do so.
>
> As for what our "long term vision" is, I honestly don't think we have one
> at this point, and we should fix that, which is one of the reasons why I
> chose to run for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board. Our next meeting is next
> Friday, on 2019-04-05 at 20:00 UTC, on IRC, in the #sugar-meeting channel
> on FreeNode. Feel free to join us and observe, as well as ask questions
> before and after the official meeting commences.
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board
>
>
> Regards
> Sumit Srivastava
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[IAEP] What's the long term vision of Sugar Labs?

[Sumit Srivastava]

Do we aim to be like Red Hat? Canonical? No match? Who are we closest to?
Who do we aim to be?

I understand that these are a lot of questions. You can also share relevant
mail archive links if they're available.

I also understand that we're a non profit and the organisations I mentioned
might not be a close match.

Essense of my question: If we could achieve anything, what would we want?

Regards
Sumit Srivastava
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs 2018-2020 Oversight Board Election Results

[Sumit Srivastava]

Congratulations to the new board!

Regards
Sumit Srivastava

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018, 4:47 pm Amaan Iqbal,  wrote:

> Congratulations to all the deserving SLOBs members.
>
> Cheers!!
>
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 4:38 PM Jaskirat Singh 
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations to new SLOB
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2018, 4:35 pm Anmol Mishra, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations to new SLOB members.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 15 Dec, 2018, 16:32 Samson Goddy >>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> 43 out of 167 Sugar Labs member voted during the Sugar Labs 2018-2020
>>>> Election.
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations to the winners who have been selected for the 2018-2020
>>>> period:
>>>>
>>>> 1. *Walter Bender*
>>>> 2. *James Cameron*
>>>> 3. *Lionel Laské*
>>>> *4. Alex Perez *
>>>> *5. Devin Ulibarri*
>>>>
>>>> Results are available at the following URL:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_7e20f77cd6595bfe=dd2850a107103a39
>>>>
>>>> For more information about the Condorcet Internet Voting Service, see
>>>> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks to Ibiam Chihurumnaya, Rahul Bothra, Jaskirat Singh, Anmol
>>>> Mishra, and Amaan Iqbal for their candidacies submissions and for
>>>> their interest to be part of the Sugar Labs Oversight Board.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks to everyone in the Membership and Elections Committee, for
>>>> all their efforts and time dedicated to maintaining the Sugar Labs member's
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks to the Wiki and Systems teams for their ongoing support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Project Sugar Labs
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Stage II November: Election

[Sumit Srivastava]

To ensure smooth functioning of SLOB, I'd like to contest the elections as
a candidate.

Regards
Sumit Srivastava

On Mon, 19 Nov 2018, 8:55 pm Samson Goddy,  wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Sugar Lab's Elections and Membership Committee announces the upcoming 
> *2018-2020
> Sugar Labs Oversight Board Election
> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates>. *
>
> *F**our (4) Oversight Board members shall be elected for the Sugar Labs
> Oversight Board project for the 2018-2020 period.** This is the
> first call for candidates: *
>
> The mission of the oversight board is to ensure that the Sugar Labs
> community has clarity of purpose and the means to collaborate in achieving
> its goals.
>
>
>
> *Members <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members> can run for
> election to the Oversight Board
> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board> and vote in the elections
> for the Oversight Board. Once e*lected, board members are expected to
> participate actively on Sugar Labs decision making processes and join
> Sugar-meeting IRC channel for SLOB's monthly meetings.
>
>
> *Stage II November 19, Reminder of the election date and second call for
> candidates. (Today)*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Stage III November 30, Candidates' Wiki submissions
> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates#Candidates>
>  deadline. Stage
> IV December 1-15 Election. Membership and Elections Committee*
>
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>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs oversight board elections

[Sumit Srivastava]

I'd love to volunteer my time for the oversight board this time as I've a
deep respect for it's mission. I'd like to assure you of my timely response
in the meetings, and any other involvement with the community-- incase
elected.

Regards
Sumit Srivastava

On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, 2:22 am Walter Bender,  wrote:

> We'll be holding an election for 4 seats on our oversight board. The
> election will be held in early December.
>
> (1) If you are interested in helping run the election, please let Samson
> Goddy, Caryl Bigelow, and/or Dave Crossland know.
> (2) If you are interested in a running for open board seat, please let
> Samson, Cayrl, or Dave know.
>
> The minimum obligation of board members is 1 hour per month meeting and a
> light email load. That said, it is critical to  Sugar Labs to have a board
> that is invested in our mission. I hope you consider throwing your hat into
> the ring.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Meeting Reminder

[Sumit Srivastava]

I'd like to propose joining IRC as a GCI task, since it's slightly
complicated as of now and they are newcomers to open source.

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, 4:11 am Samson Goddy,  wrote:

> I don't know if this will solve the problem... But Zulip is a good chat
> platform. Currently using it on my project, the community behind it host
> open source orgs for free. It is light, but not as light as what we use.
>
>
> https://zulipchat.com
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 11:36 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> I put instructions on how to register on Freenode in the wiki (as part of
>> a landing page for every GCI task.) I am assuming people will be able to
>> manage. As for SLOB meetings, the regulars also should be able to manage.
>>
>> (We've discussed before about using Sugar chat -- dogfooding -- for our
>> meetings. I'd be game.)
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 6:33 PM James Cameron  wrote:
>>
>>> At the moment the issue with Freenode requires all of us to register
>>> before we can speak.
>>>
>>> This impacts new people.  It makes their joining as complicated as any
>>> other service with registration requirements.
>>>
>>> As D. Joe has observed, if we had our people watching, we could notice
>>> new people to let them speak.  We would need to enable this, and somehow
>>> cover the different time zones.  As we don’t have enough coverage now to
>>> answer the simplest questions from the people we have, we would need some
>>> commitment.  That would be the next step in that plan.
>>>
>>> I don’t know of any other service we could use that doesn’t require some
>>> sort of registration.
>>>
>>> We might set up an IRC server ourselves, but then we take on the defence
>>> problem that Freenode does for us.
>>>
>>> We do have a Jabber server, but I don’t know if it has been attacked in
>>> the same way.
>>>
>>> On 5 Oct 2018, at 07:38, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>>
>>> We will be meeting tomorrow (Friday, 5 October) at 20UTC [1] (4PM in
>>> Boston) on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (See [2]).
>>>
>>> Note that there has been a SPAM issue on Freenode of late (See the email
>>> from James I have forwarded below). We should discuss potential solutions.
>>>
>>> Also on the agenda:
>>>
>>> * GSoC travel
>>> * GCI 2018
>>> * [your topic here]
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx
>>> [2] https://webchat.freenode.net/
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Jaskirat travel

[Sumit Srivastava]

Supported. +1

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018, 12:11 am Walter Bender,  wrote:

> As per the discussion with Brett [sfconservancy.org #1917], Jaskirat has
> asked for a travel advance for his trip to Google, where he will be
> representing Sugar Labs at both the GSOC Meetup and the Mentor Summit. The
> details of his trip can be found here [1].
>
> Jaskirat has worked hard to accommodate the concerns raised by several of
> us regarding his proposed budget. I think it is with scope and compliant
> with SFC rules.
>
> MOTION: Approve Jaskarit's attendance of the GSoC Meetup while he is
> traveling for the GSoC Mentor Summit and a travel advance of US $712.
>
> This is somewhat timely, so please try to respond ASAP.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y-W8kR2-zmy2XRskBzRIEjASiMWTbcviK9uDf3V0GJQ/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] GCI 2018

[Sumit Srivastava]

Hi, can I please be a mentor? I'm a musician-coder-teacher.
I've been following sugar labs code base, specifically music blocks
religiously.

I've also been following the mailing list for every advancement in the
community.

Can I please be a mentor. I haven't contributed to the codebase a lot, like
other GSoC students since I haven't applied for any of these but I believe
I can bring some unique expertise regarding music and it's intricacies
since I had engaged in few fruitful discussions on issues related to my
expertise.

Can I please be a mentor for music blocks, alongside others?

Regards,
Sumit Srivastava

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018, 2:12 am Walter Bender,  wrote:

> We seem to have sufficient interest from the community to apply to Google
> Code-in again this year. Lots of returning mentors and some students who
> have morphed into mentors as well. But I will not apply w/o SLOB approval.
>
> Motion: Sugar Labs will apply to participate in Google Code-in 2018.
> Walter will be the primary administrator.
>
> Time in of the essence as the schedule this year has applications starting
> this week, so please respond ASAP.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
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