Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Trisquel image Ready for testing.

[Frederick Grose]

Updated link: https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast

On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 11:01 AM Frederick Grose  wrote:

> Thank you Martin for seeing this through to a solution!
>
> Would you consider simplifying and updating the Trisquel on a Sugar Toast
> page on the Sugar Labs wiki?
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast
> <http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel>
>
> Your efforts will reward many.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 2:04 AM Martin Guy  wrote:
>
>> > First, thanks to all who have made Trisquel On A Stick TOAST a reality
>>
>> Trisquel on a Sugar TOAST.
>>
>> Gnash!
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Trisquel image Ready for testing.

[Frederick Grose]

Thank you Martin for seeing this through to a solution!

Would you consider simplifying and updating the Trisquel on a Sugar Toast
page on the Sugar Labs wiki?
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast


Your efforts will reward many.






On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 2:04 AM Martin Guy  wrote:

> > First, thanks to all who have made Trisquel On A Stick TOAST a reality
>
> Trisquel on a Sugar TOAST.
>
> Gnash!
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Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

[Frederick Grose]

See https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2018-d6502e66b8

Updated metacity-3.30.1-2.fc29 was installed into a freshly loaded USB
device with F29-SOAS-x86_64-20181127-Live.iso, a fedora-respin, before
it was booted.

Home View showed as expected.
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Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:40 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> Here's a fix to try.
>
> In the Terminal activity, paste these three commands one by one;
>
> wget 
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/810/commits/9e7a93afba13470464700673dec6a3f9750cfd34.patch
>
> sudo dnf install -y patch
>
> sudo patch /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalactivity.py 
> < 9e7a93afba13470464700673dec6a3f9750cfd34.patch
>
> Then logout and login again.  The Journal should not appear until you
> ask for it.  You may see a series of rectangles drawn briefly, and Log
> activity should have in shell.log file
>
> WARNING root: Journal premature deiconify by Metacity (RHBZ #1519042), try 
> again.

I had success with this patch.  See
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042#c16
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Re: [IAEP] motion for a new mission statement

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> Through a community effort led by Caryl Bigenho, I am making a motion.
>
> Motion: Revise the Sugar Labs mission statement to "Sugar Labs is a
> volunteer-run project whose mission is to reach global learners and
> educators with a collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover,
> create, and reflect in their local language. Sugar Labs distributes these
> tools freely and encourages its users to appropriate them, taking ownership
> and responsibility for their learning."
>

​I think we want the adverb, globally, if at all.   'Global learners' seems
to be a cliche and unnecessarily limits our target audience.   Just what
are global learners?
​

>
> Looking for a second.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
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Re: [IAEP] Motion To Approve 2017 Sugar Labs Mission Statement

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> Very nice, Walter! Let's just change the motion to reflect your version. 
> Therefore,
> I propose that the following motion be considered at the April SLOB meeting:
>
>
> *_*
>
> *The 2017 Mission Statement for Sugar Labs shall be as follows:*
>
> *Sugar Labs is a volunteer-run project whose mission is to reach ​learners
> and educators​ globally​*
> *​ ​*
> *​with a collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover,
> create, and reflect. Sugar Labs distributes these tools freely and
> encourages its users to appropriate them, taking ownership and
> responsibility for their learning.*
>
> *_*
>

​I believe we want the adverb, globally, for how we reach, rather than the​
adjective, global, that limits the set of learners and educators, some of
whom may value Sugar's strength at being local.

In fact, that seems to be part of our mission:   ...a collection of tools
that enable them to explore, discover, create, and reflect in their local
language.
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[IAEP] [SoaS] SoaS frustrations & call for proposals

[Frederick Grose]

a transcript.


Praise be, Sugarizer has made great steps toward Sugar Labs​' technical
goals <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Technical_Goals> and
deserves much greater investment as Caryl suggests.

Yet there remains considerable value in the SoaS variants of Sugar, so
attention is still deserved there to support the needs of another class of
users and learners.

To that end,  I notice that the Fedora 26 proposal submission deadline is
fast approaching (21 Feb 2017) and so offer this thread and this feature
page <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/SoaS_next> for proposals.

Thanks be given for your insights and efforts!



Forwarded conversation
Subject: Fwd: [IAEP] SoaS installation frustrations


From: Frederick Grose <fgr...@sugarlabs.org>
Date: Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 9:23 AM
To: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Cc: Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com>, tony_ander...@usa.net


See the posting below with inline suggestions.  The posting was to the IAEP
mailing list for the general Sugar audience.  I've copied the discussion
here to the SoaS list for technical followup.  Perhaps we could interest
some Google Code-In or GSOC applicants to innovate on the installation
issues.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net>
Date: Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 15
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org


Consider an potential adopter who wants to try out Sugar. As Caryl knows
from Scale, an adopter wants to know:

1 - What are the capabilities of Sugar, what are its strengths, who is
using it, are there success stories, testimonials from users?
2 - How is it supported? If I were to deploy it and needed help, is it
available?
3 - How can I install it on my PC to try it out?

Going to the Sugarlabs website, the first screen features: Activities,
Wiki, Social Help. The next statement describes Sugar as a collection of
tools.
Being persistent, if you scroll down several screens, you get to a block:
Get Sugar featuring SOAS and Gnu/Linux.

For Sugar on a Stick, I am directed to another page. It starts out well -
how to make a stick with Windows (but 7). The instructions say to download
650MB and burn a CD. At this point the instructions become incoherent. They
say to mount a 2GB or more stick and then boot from the CD and start
running Sugar from it using the Terminal activity and su.

Then I am told that a change in Fedora 24 (the adopter is saying 'what's
that?') requires the use of the command:

sudo dnf install livecd-tools

No potential adopter would persist even to this point.

​>> We should go back to including the livecd-tools package in SoaS and we
should also copy the livecd-iso-to-disk script to the /LiveOS/ folder as
was previously standard in Fedora, because installing SoaS with persistent
storage is essential for the project goal of having a resumable Sugar
environment in your pocket.​

This is something Peter Robinson, our SoaS packager, can accomplish or
advise us on.

The other panel claims Sugar is available on most Gnu/Linux distributions.
The accompanying instructions from the links on this panel are even more
intimidating and provide evidence of lack of support for Sugar.

In fact, I believe that Ubuntu 16.04 enables yum install of Sugar 0.110.
This should be featured.

Like Pixel, I would like to see a current Sugar image available for
download which can be transferred to a usb stick by a single dd command.
This stick would operate as SOAS but also support installation in an
available block of hard drive on any amd_64 machine.

​>> This is currently available, but not featured in our instructions as
such an installation lacks persistence of user/learner Activities between
boots.  However, it is the easiest way to demonstrate a live SoaS system​.
Instructions should be updated.

A second image ideally would be installable as a Window application with a
supported Windows installer (like wubi did). Finally, there should be a
Debian image which can be copied to an SD card and booted by a Raspberry Pi
3 (and possibly 2).

Finally, our hypothetical adopter should find this 'get Sugar' information
on the main screen, not down six screens.

Tony

On 02/15/2017 11:20 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:15:05 +
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To: Bert Freudenberg <b...@freudenbergs.de> <b...@freudenbergs.de>
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+1 for Tony's comment!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Bert Freud

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] [UKids] SugarCamp Paris #3 - First schedule version is online - you will love your trip to Paris

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Bastien b...@laptop.org wrote:

 Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at writes:

  done: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:ChristophD/Events/SugarCamp3

 Thanks -- I'll forward this to all OLPC France members and we will
 built on it.  Thanks for bootstrapping this!

 --
  Bastien


This has been m
ainlined to
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Events/SugarCamp3

with redirects from the old address location.
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[IAEP] Sugar Labs wiki login was: [Systems] lost wiki password

[Frederick Grose]

Notice:

If you need to reset your wiki password, please follow the

'Forgotten your login details?'  link on the login page,

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:UserLogin

It will take you to the Reset password page, which will request your
Username and
send a temporary password to your email.

(Note: The 'E-mail new password' button may have a corrupted label with
words included like, !-- Bad Behavior 2.2.1 run time: 4.166 ms --, which
are artifacts of some anti-spam software we are using.  The button
functions correctly.)


If you have used a Sugar Labs server account to log in to the wiki, that
feature has been disabled, because the LDAP Authentication extension was
interfering with the Password Reset facility.

OpenID logins should not be affected by these changes.

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[IAEP] Wiki editing

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Ron Feigenblatt doc...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2/2/13, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote:
 ... Please just make the changes you think need to be made, that is why we
  keep information on a wiki, so that anyone can contribute to improving
  it's quality or discoverability.

 Chris, are you the wikimaster? I can't seem to use the wiki to find
 out who is! Going to the home page of the wiki or to the
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team page does NOT help.

 Some years back I used Wikispaces for several wikis. As its wiki
 system model evolved, the administrator of a wiki gained the power to
 lock out changes on a page-by-page basis (and maybe even to delegate
 such powers to chosen sub-administrators?) Is that possible within the
 MediaWiki system we use here at Sugar Labs?

 The reason I ask is that just the other day, Sean Daly, leader of the
 Marketing Team, lamented as follows (cf.
 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2013-02-01#i_2768391 )
 last time i tried to make a wiki page more readable for teachers, a
 community member wiped out all my edits, after 3 days i gave up was
 very disheartening


Be assured that all changes saved in a wiki can be recovered from the 'View
history' tab for a page.

While one is reconstructing an existing page, it is often best to copy it
to a separate page as content details are worked out.  Open discussion (on
the associated 'Discussion' page) with other interested authors will
generally lead to improvements.

Thank you for  your contributions!

   --Frederick Grose, wiki team coordinator
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de
 wrote:
  On 2012-06-13, at 07:50, Steven Thompson wrote:
 
  Even just in English in Japan could help kids. The common denomenator
 for jhs and hs kids is an iPhone or android and the iPad at home...much
 more so than buying an Intel Classmate or having a hope of getting an XO.
 
  Sugar can be installed on any PC, not just Classmates or XOs.
 
  It's not about price or energy requirements here, its about good
 education for kids.
 
  Can we get sugar as a Mac Ap at the Ap Store?
 
  I think Sugar-on-a-Stick (SoaS) can be plugged into recent Macs and
 works.

 You've always been able to plug SoaS into x86 Macs and have it work
 (just like any Linux distro), the latest version adds much better
 support for it and there's been specific interest in making it work
 properly with uEFI and all the Mac quirks.

 It's quite easy to use SoaS on a usb key on Macs and with something
 like VirtualBox you can run Sugar in a Window on Mac without too many
 issues.

 Sugar as an App on Mac is an interesting concept and with improving
 Mac support within GTK3 something like the Sugar in a Window concept
 we use for testing is quite conceivable once the Sugar port to GTK3 is
 complete, of course like everything it needs someone to step up and do
 the work.

 Peter


In the spirit of exploring interesting concepts that might stimulate new
development, might someone explain the obstacles that prevent Sugar from
running on an iPad, as well, discuss potential approaches to overcome those
obstacles.

For example, Etoys, an independent but significant component in Sugar, can
be run on an iPad since June 2010,
http://croquetweak.blogspot.com/2010/06/squeak-etoys-on-ipad.html
http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/ipad/

Also with time, the current crop of iPads will become secondary devices as
newer tablets are released.  Folks will then be more willing to
void warranties and experiment with the operating systems.

  --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] Code of Conduct

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org
 wrote:
  On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 23:59 -0700, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
  Ubuntu is refreshing its Code of Conduct:
 
 
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft/view/head:/MergedCodeOfConduct.txt
 
  Although I've never participated much in the Ubuntu community, I've
  always thought of this document as one the best of its kind.
 
  Should we publish a similar code of conduct on our wiki? It could be as
  simple as copying this text to a wiki page, with minor edits such as
  replacing all occurrences of Ubuntu with Sugar Labs.
 
  Ubuntu requires e-signing the Code of Conduct upon becoming a Ubuntero,
  a status that enables users to build and distribute custom packages on
  Launchpad. Since the CC isn't written as a contract, I think it would be
  enough to ask our members to at least read it.
 
  Not sure if silent assent, or nobody really cares enough to respond.

 Was going to raise it at next week's SLOB's meeting.

 -walter

 
  So I'll go ahead under the optimistic assumption that nobody is strongly
  opposed to this idea and add a draft of our CC to the wiki.
 
  --
   _ // Bernie Innocenti
   \X/  http://codewiz.org
 
 
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 --
 Walter Bender
 Sugar Labs
 http://www.sugarlabs.org


We currently have these principles in the wiki:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Principles

See also, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Policy

  --Fred
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[IAEP] Fwd: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Revisiting Read Activity default font

[Frederick Grose]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org
Date: 2012/4/26
Subject: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Revisiting Read Activity default font
To: Sugar-dev Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Cc: dcrossl...@google.com, Guillermo Espertino gespert...@gmail.com


Hi list,

I will try to wrap an interesting discussion that has arisen today on
IRC.  We talked about a better default font for our e-book reader,
Read activity, and the possibility to add a new feature to change that
font (in the activity itself or as a system setting).  Obviously not
for landing in this cycle, we have a lot of pending things to do, but
would be nice to keep trac on this if there is some consensus.

I'm cc'ing Guillermo Espertino, professional free software designer,
and Dave Crossland, font consultor at Google Webfonts, who also
participated.  Please answer to all because they may not be in
sugar-devel mailing list.

So, the current default is DejaVu LGC Serif.  HoboPrimate suggested
Century Schoolbook L as a better font.  Guillermo said to me that
Gentium Book would be the ideal.

But Gonzalo, current Read maintainer, said that he has intentions to
move to Sans.  Now I understand that Serif fonts are being used in
books more because of historical reasons, and that we should think
what would be better for children.  He also pointed that teachers ask
for a hand-writting font, and that there are special fonts designed
for dyslexic people.

Finally, Dave pointed us to http://kidstype.org and the Fabula
typeface.  Looks interesting indeed.

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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Mediawiki 1.18.1 on wiki.sugarlabs.org

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote:

 At long last, I've upgraded our production Wiki to MW 1.18.1 and enabled
 the TimedMediaHandler extension.

 I'm still not convinced about the WikiEditor. Please test it in the
 wiki-devel and report back.


This bug,
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22428#c27
also discussed here,
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/private/systems/2011-May/002995.html

seems to be fixed in wiki-devel
http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/Sandbox2
 (testing with XO-1.75 in Browse).

--Fred



 On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 18:36 -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I've upgraded our development wiki to the latest svn snapshot of
  Mediawiki 1.18. You can admire it here:
 
http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org
 
  Additionally, I've enabled the following extensions for testing:
 
   - TimedMediaHandler: allows uploading videos in the wiki and
 playing them on any HTML5-enabled browser. Demo here:
http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/Sandbox
 
   - LdapAuthentication: allows logging in using the ldap
 username and password (in addition to OpenID and mediawiki users)
 
   - WikiEditor: ajax page editor with some nice features. Earlier
 versions used to break cut  paste on various browsers.
 
  Please test it a little. If I don't hear complains, I'll proceed to
  upgrade the production wiki and all the Local Labs wikis.

 --
  _ // Bernie Innocenti
  \X/  http://codewiz.org

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Re: [IAEP] 2 new tutorials: Liveinst from f16 Soas and f16 Netinstall Sugar-desktop only

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Thomas C Gilliard 
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:

 Hi;

 I just composed 2 tutorials - annotated screen-shots of f16 Sugar installs:

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_Creation_Kit#F16_Sugar_**
 Install_from_a_Booted_Live_CD_**with_liveinsthttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#F16_Sugar_Install_from_a_Booted_Live_CD_with_liveinst


updated link:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/liveinst

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#f16_Sugar-Desktop_Install_with_a_netinstall_CD


updated link:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/netinstall

I hope that these will help you.

 Tom Gilliard
 satellit_ sigar on IRC

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Re: [IAEP] [Testing] I would like feedback on the How_to_use_the_IRC_Application wiki page

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Thomas C Gilliard 
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:

 I just wrote this wiki page:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_Creation_Kit#How_to_use_**
 the_IRC_Applicationhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#How_to_use_the_IRC_Application


corrected link:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/How_to_use_IRC

   (Annotated screen shots that show you how to use the IRC application)

 My question:
 Is this a useful way to build guides for beginners?

 Also these pages: (English and Spanish)
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_Creation_Kit#**
 Introduction_to_the_Sugar_**Interfacehttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Introduction_to_the_Sugar_Interface
  (3 linked wiki pages of Annotated Screen-shots )

 I think as it is a wiki these provide a way for users to participate in
 updating in these guides.

 I would like feedback on this project.

 Cordially;

 Tom Gilliard
 satellit_ on #sugar IRC
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Re: [IAEP] Navigation bar at top of wiki pages

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:42 PM, John Wilson wilsonj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Mr. Grose,

 I am John Wilson, a student at Oakland University.  My class is involved
 in a project named OWL Jr., in collaboration with Sugar Labs, and we have
 created our own page on Sugar Labs' wiki.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Owl_Jr._Project

 Mr. Tierney had recommended that I contact you, because I had wanted to
 know how to add the navigation bar (with links such as contact and get
 involved) to the top of my page.  It seems that I can't find any info on
 how to add it in the editing pages section.  Any help would be greatly
 appreciated.

 Sincerely,
 John


*Welcome to Sugar Labs, and thanks for your contributions!

*I've responded on your talk page,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User_talk:Owl_Jr._Project

Best wishes, --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] Getting started

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Iain Brown Douglas 
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:

 I invite you to review and edit my contribution ...

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Inkyfingers/Getting_Started%280%29

 My starting point:

 1. Target audience. Experimentally minded non technical
 individual/family with no previous linux experience. Viewable on any
 browser.

 2. I am still uncertain about the - Linked pages - format I have used.
My objective was to improve orientation.

 3. I well recognise that if adopted this contribution would increase
 duplication.

 Is there an existing road map for improving entry level material on the
 wiki?

 4. How to improve intermediate level presentation?
a) the page could move on to intermediate level topics, such as
 listed
 below.
b) Getting started could be limited to Sugar_on_a_Stick?

 5. How to deal with intermediate level and avoid duplication on the
 wiki.
For instance,
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems

(a page I have so far excluded) starts ok ... is there a mechanism
 to archive and regenerate pages?


The wiki inherently maintains an archive visible on the 'View history' tab
of any page. Any historical version can be visited (or even linked to) by
following (or copying) the time-dated link. Any content from the past can
be copied (after clicking the edit tab) to new content or, if the
historical page is saved, that version becomes the current version.

When an historical page is edited, this warning appears, *Warning: You are
editing an out-of-date revision of this page.* If you save it, any changes
made since this revision will be lost.
The later statement about losing changes only applies to the content of the
new page; all the changes are still available in the page history.

No one should worry about causing irrecoverable loss of content or format
through their efforts to improve the wiki.

 --Fred



 Example of intermediate level topics.

 Cannot boot from USB - detail of a CD bootimage and have USB rootfs, or
 run from CD, using a USB for storage.

 Link to Fedora hard drive install.

 Anaconda, liveinst to USB. Is this a superior method?

 Regards.
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Re: [IAEP] Getting started

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Iain Brown Douglas 
 i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:

 I invite you to review and edit my contribution ...

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Inkyfingers/Getting_Started%280%29

 My starting point:

 1. Target audience. Experimentally minded non technical
 individual/family with no previous linux experience. Viewable on any
 browser.

 2. I am still uncertain about the - Linked pages - format I have used.
My objective was to improve orientation.

 3. I well recognise that if adopted this contribution would increase
 duplication.

 Is there an existing road map for improving entry level material on the
 wiki?

 4. How to improve intermediate level presentation?
a) the page could move on to intermediate level topics, such as
 listed
 below.
b) Getting started could be limited to Sugar_on_a_Stick?

 5. How to deal with intermediate level and avoid duplication on the
 wiki.
For instance,
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems

(a page I have so far excluded) starts ok ... is there a mechanism
 to archive and regenerate pages?


 The wiki inherently maintains an archive visible on the 'View history' tab
 of any page. Any historical version can be visited (or even linked to) by
 following (or copying) the time-dated link. Any content from the past can
 be copied (after clicking the edit tab) to new content or, if the
 historical page is saved, that version becomes the current version.

 When an historical page is edited, this warning appears, *Warning: You
 are editing an out-of-date revision of this page.* If you save it, any
 changes made since this revision will be lost.
 The later statement about losing changes only applies to the content of
 the new page; all the changes are still available in the page history.


I've updated the system message to the following:
*Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page.* If you
save it, any changes made since this revision will not be in the final page.


 No one should worry about causing irrecoverable loss of content or format
 through their efforts to improve the wiki.

  --Fred



 Example of intermediate level topics.

 Cannot boot from USB - detail of a CD bootimage and have USB rootfs, or
 run from CD, using a USB for storage.

 Link to Fedora hard drive install.

 Anaconda, liveinst to USB. Is this a superior method?

 Regards.
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[IAEP] The Science Prize for Online Resources in Education (SPORE)

[Frederick Grose]

 The *Science* Prize for Online Resources in Education (SPORE) has been
 established to encourage innovation and excellence in education, as well as
 to encourage the use of high-quality on-line resources by students,
 teachers, and the public. Essays from the SPORE winners are published each
 month in *Science*, and are collected here.


http://www.sciencemag.org/site/special/spore/
(A link has been added to the nascent page http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Science
.)

The latest essay addresses data accessibility:

 29 September 2011:
Making Earth Science Data Accessible and Usable in
Educationhttp://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6051/1838.summary
 [image: ] Tamara Shapiro Ledley, LuAnn Dahlman, Carla McAuliffe, Nick
Haddad, Michael R. Taber, Ben Domenico, Susan Lynds, Marian Grogan
The Earth Exploration Toolbook provides instructions on accessing and
analyzing Earth science data to explore scientific concepts and issues.
http://serc.carleton.edu/eet
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Re: [IAEP] How can we help kids get into the habits of looking for all possible causes and counter examples to problems?

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:58 AM, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote:

  *On 02/10/2011 09:07 a.m., Maria Droujkova wrote:
 ...I have never had to do anything with REASONS for seasons or phases of
 the moon, outside of curriculum design. Have you?*

 ---

 One reason to think about  phases of the moon on our normal life is the
 fact that people on the north hemisphere see the moon upsidedown.  Or the
 opposite: people on the southern hemisphere see the moon upsidedown.

 We can use that knowledge on our normal life: On the calendar we can see
 the icons of phases of the mooon, but those icons were designed by northern
 people, with  the crescent moon like a D and the Waning Moon like a C,
 but in the southern hemisphere is the opposite, crescent moon is a C and
 waning moon is a D. (the people that designs calendar on the south repeat
 like parrots the things that northern people designs, so they draw the moon
 in the opposite way)

 In northern hemisphere the mooon is liar, because she is a C when she is
 de-crescent, and she is a D when she is Crescent, but here on the south
 the moon tell us the truth.

 -

 For example: a child in Uruguay could take a picture of the moon and send
 to a child in Canada,  the same day, so they can compare that fact. and
 maybe another child on the equator  can send another picture that shows the
 moon on the middle, like an U.


This suggests that in Gary Martin's Moon activity,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Moon
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/sugar/addon/4034

the hemisphere toggle control should instead control rotation of the view
between the north and south extremes.

That might help you if you wake up in a strange land and need clues to  your
location.

{...}

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[IAEP] Fwd: [ANNC] pynguin-0.12 (fixes problems running on Windows)

[Frederick Grose]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Lee Harr miss...@hotmail.com
Date: 2011/9/21
Subject: [ANNC] pynguin-0.12 (fixes problems running on Windows)
To: python-l...@python.org, edu-...@python.org



Pynguin is a python-based turtle graphics application.
It combines an editor, interactive interpreter, and
graphics display area.

It is meant to be an easy environment for introducing
some programming concepts to beginning programmers.


http://pynguin.googlecode.com/


This release fixes problems which prevented the program
from working properly on Windows systems.


Pynguin is tested with Python 2.7.1 and PyQt 4.8.3 and
will use Pygments syntax highlighting if available.

Pynguin is released under GPLv3.


Changes in pynguin-0.12:
Important fixes
- Fixed menu items and dialogs not working on Windows
- Fixed error on Windows when trying to write backup files

Pynguin API
- bgcolor()
- raise exception if using color component outside of 0-255
- make util.nudge_color() API match util.choose_color()

Canvas
- allow setting background color
- fix custom svg avatars to allow any size avatar

Integrated Editor
- comment / uncomment line / region

Integrated Console
- added command to clear history
- clears line before writing commands selected in menu

Examples
- added fractals example file


--
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Some new ideas and suits for the turtle/s...

  --Fred
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[IAEP] Universe Awareness, astronomy education outreach for young children

[Frederick Grose]

http://www.unawe.org/

Since 2005, UNAWE has grown to involve more than 500 volunteers,
organizations, and governments in 40 countries. UNAWE grew most during the
International Year of Astronomy (IYA) in 2009 and is now an important
ingredient of the International Astronomical Union's decadal development
strategy (*1* http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6046/1106.full#ref-1).


Educational resources, generously contributed by the network of volunteers
to UNAWE, have been collected and published (www.unawe.org/). Many UNAWE
members have contributed translations, which are then featured on the site.
Quality control comes through an automatic peer adoption process. The
resources are checked for scientific accuracy by qualified astronomers
before they are posted online, where the most useful resources naturally
become the most used resources.

from
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6046/1106.full

Perhaps Sugar Labs could collaborate, beginning with our Moon,
StarChart,  Telescope
activities.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Moon
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/StarChart
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4481 XoScope/Telescope
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Re: [IAEP] Need Wiki Help!

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Caryl Bigenho ca...@laptop.org wrote:

  Hi Folks,

 I am working on some Grannie's Guides for the wiki and need to know how to
 make the little blue boxes with dotted lines around them that have the test
 written in something that resembles what you will see in Terminal.  I think
 it may be the Courier typeface.

 I have hunted around for instructions for doing this and have even tried
 copying the format some other pages have used it, but so far haven't cracked
 the code.  Can someone give me a link or two that will tell me how to do it?

 Thanks!

 Caryl


Please see this guide section,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Guide/Formatting#Code_Examples
and feel free to modify it to make it clearer.

   --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] team updates

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:

 At the last Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the
 need to update the status of the various teams and local labs.


See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap

Perhaps other teams could also update their Roadmap pages,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Roadmap

(Remember, only insiders will catch updates from the mailing lists,
but newcomers will search wiki pages for more consolidated information.)

  --Fred
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[IAEP] Activities needing packaging?

[Frederick Grose]

Forwarded conversation
Subject: [SoaS] want to contribute to Sugar on a Stick - introducing myself


From: *Kalpa Welivitigoda* callka...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:03 AM
To: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org


Hi,

I am Kalpa Welivitigoda from Sri Lanka.

I was searching for a FOSS project to contribute on and I came across
Sugar on a Stick through OpenHatch.

I am involved in Fedora Project [1] , Mozilla Firefox and have
contributed in lokalizing  some of the other projects including
OpenOffice, pidgin, GNOME etc. Apart from them I am active on Hanthana
Linux [2], a local project. Hanthana is a remix of Fedora. I attend
FOSS related events and talk about FOSS to make the public aware. I
currently write to two local e-magazines (FOSS User [3] and Hanthana+,
yet to be released.)

In technical aspects, I am familiar with java and python and uses
Fedora as my primary and only OS. In Sugar on a Stick I hope to make
use of my python knowledge and learn more on python. I also wish to
package applications and actually I have done one related to fedora
Sound SIG [4]. But it is not upstream yet since there are some more
sound tracks to be added. I wish to learn further on packaging also.

So at the moment the ways I can contribute to Sugar on a Stick will be with;
1) testing
2) fixing bugs or adding new features to existing activities (depend
on the level of python expertise needed)
3) packaging activities for fedora

I am reading for my BSc of Eng degree major in Electrical Engineering
and I wish to contribute to FOSS in my leisure time.

My irc nickname is callkalpa

Please help me get started!

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Callkalpa
[2] http://www.hanthana.org
[3] http://www.fossuser.lk
[4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Sound

--
Best Regards,

Kalpa Pathum Welivitigoda
http://about.me/callkalpa
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Date: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:41 PM
To: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org


Welcome Kalpa!

The Sugar on a Stick project,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick, truly
needs new contributors.

Peter Robinson, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pbrobinson, is the lead
contributor.
See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Sugar_0.94.

He is very busy with packaging support, and seems now to be in the critical
path for the new OLPC XO-1.75 ARM builds,
http://www.mail-archive.com/devel@lists.laptop.org/msg27817.html.

He will likely respond with ways you might assist.

Thomas Gilliard, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Satellit, is an active
tester. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS
.

I, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:FGrose, have been working on Sugar
Clone,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Sugar_Clone

Sebastian Sziallas, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sdz, and Mel Chua,
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mchua, have moved on to other projects.

Packaging Sugar Activities, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sugar_Activities,
in Fedora is one need.  Mel and Sebastian prepared a classroom last year,
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom/Packaging_Sugar_Activities, to
help.

Sugar also has a rich set of Activities for music and sound processing,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Tam_Tam.

Art Hunkins, http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/user/652, is active
developing a new SamplePlay Activity,
http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg22396.html

You might also collaborate with David
Schönsteinhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Dschonstein,
who prepared,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Sound
a while back.

I hope you find some ways to contribute, even by asking more questions.

 Best wishes,  --Fred




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From: *Kalpa Welivitigoda* callka...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:36 AM
To: Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com
Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org


Thanks a lot Fredrick for your informative reply.
I'll go through the class logs on packing sugar activities for Fedora
and hope to contribute by packaging the activities that are not yet
packaged.


--

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From: *Thomas C Gilliard* satel...@bendbroadband.com
Date: Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:00 AM
To: callka...@gmail.com
Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions s...@lists.sugarlabs.org,
Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com


**
Hi;
Also look at :
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Floss_Manuals

 http://www.archive.org/details/MakeYourOwnSugarActivities

http://en.flossmanuals.net/

Thanks for helping...

Tom Gilliard
satellit_on #sugar freenode IRC

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Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions s...@lists.sugarlabs.org,
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Re: [IAEP] Alternative 'favorites view' as an intro to programming

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Christopher Lindgren 
chris.lindg...@my.ndsu.edu wrote:

  {...}

I thought that the favorites view modification would be a fun way to show
 them how there is code underneath this GUI, and you can change the code to
 change the WYSIWYG.

 {...}

 Chris Lindgren | fargoxo.wordpress.com


Consider this resource:
http://en.flossmanuals.net/sugar/ch032_develop-sugar/

(The patience to achieve the necessary coding precision is a valuable
lesson.)

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Re: [IAEP] Concrete feedback

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:56 PM, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote:

 *{...}
 *



** *Concrete Feedback:*

 The journal is always full of garbage, hundreds of empty entries:  *is
 there a possibility to CLEAN the JOurnal?,*


From the Journal item's detail view there is an 'Erase' (minus sign) button
in the toolbar.  Clicking this button will clean out that Journal entry.

{...}

 Paolo Benini
 Montevideo

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Re: [IAEP] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Hi Peter,

 PCs and Linux machines yes. But... there still lots of issues with Macs and
 so far it does not work with the older G4 Power PC Macs (EToys to go does!).

 Caryl


See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu/PPC
It's feasible, but not yet practical.

   --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] Possible ARM based alternative to the XO?

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:33 AM, William Schaub wsch...@steubentech.comwrote:

 I recently purchased a Genesi Efika MX smartbook (
 https://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook) and so far I'm very
 impressed with it.
 it only costs about $199 before shipping and it seems to have enough power
 to outdo the XO-1 laptops that I have.

 what do you think about the possibility of using the Efika as a readily
 available alternative to the XO?
 we might even be able to get it in a more ruggedized form if we are lucky.

 I have made an sd card image that boots directly into a sugar desktop on
 the Efika MX if anyone is interested and already has the hardware
 once the kernel gets bumped past 2.6.31 I would like to try getting 802.11s
 working on it to see if I can make it talk to my other two XO-1s.

 if you are interested I will post a link to the sd card image.


Yes, please share your good efforts with a reference and link in our
Supported Systems page,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems

Interested parties may discover the information there if they aren't
searching the mailing list.

 --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] OER Glue online event Wednesday, March 30th at 9:30pm ET

[Frederick Grose]

Note: This is 30 March 2011.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.comwrote:

 Join Joel Duffin and Justin Ball, creators of the OER Glue 
 platformhttp://www.oerglue.com/,
 in discussing the latest in open course design architecture.

 *How to join*

- Follow this link at the time of the event: *

 http://tinyurl.com/math20eventhttps://sas.elluminate.com/m.jnlp?password=M.FCAF787B38E30D58F943EB7232EE27
*
- Wednesday, March 30th 2011 we will meet in the LearnCentral online
room at 6:30pm Pacific, 9:30pm Eastern time. WorldClock for your time

 zone.http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3day=30year=2011hour=21min=30sec=0p1=207
- Click OK and Accept several times as your browser installs the
software. When you see Elluminate Session Log-In, enter your name and click
the Login button
- If this is your first time, come a few minutes earlier to check out
the technology. The room opens half an hour before the event.


 All events in the Math 2.0 weekly series:
 http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/events

 About OER Glue
 [image: external image chalkboard.jpg]

 OER Glue is a *uniquely open approach* to online learning that lets
 content be used where it already resides rather than requiring it to be
 copied into a new system. OER Glue can be used to *efficiently assemble
 courses* and teach online by “glueing together” open education resources
 (OERs) and integrating with popular online services including Google
 Documents, Blogs, Facebook, Twitter, and discussion and assessment tools.
 OER Glue’s web browser add-on approach allows it to wrap context and
 navigation tools around online content and to *integrate content and
 services from multiple sources in a coherent manner*. In order to ensure
 that resources remain available, OER Glue integrates with services such as
 internet archive. The following scenarios describe the experience of using
 OER Glue:
 Student Use of OER Glue http://blog.oerglue.com/student-use-of-oer-glue/| 
 Teacher
 Use of OER Glue http://blog.oerglue.com/teacher-use-of-oer-glue/

 Key aspects of OER Glue are:

- *Student engagement* – OER Glue increases student engagement and
satisfaction by supporting online instruction that utilizes timely,
authentic content and popular Web 2.0 tools.
- *Instructional effectiveness* – OER Glue supports effective
instruction by helping teachers find and develop learning activities and
assessments that are aligned with their instructional goals.
- *Teacher efficiency* – OER Glue helps teachers efficiently assemble,
deliver, and update online courses.
- *OER* – OER Glue helps authors easily find and adapt relevant high
quality free online resources for their courses.
- *Glue* – People are frustrated with the poor user experience of
existing systems that require you to copy your content into them, but
enthusiastic about the new Web 2.0 tools that continue to emerge. OER Glue
lets you use content where it already is and to easily integrate third 
 party
tools in a coherent manner to teach online.



 Event Hosts
 [image: Joel_Duffin.jpg][image: justinball.jpg]*Joel Duffin*, CEO of OER
 Glue, is a entrepreneur and software developer with a love for designing
 software and understanding how people learn. Joel enjoys scheming about how
 to design and leverage software systems and online content to encourage
 youth to engage in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. Joel
 blogs http://www.joelduffin.com/ about technology and STEM education.
  *Justin Ball*, CTO of OER Glue, is an entrepreneur with several
 successful startups and one major failure under his belt. He became involved
 in the OER space under the direction of David Wiley at OSLO and then COSL
 and participated in the construction of the various projects generated
 there. He used to write C++ and .Net then moved to python and finally found
 Ruby. In the rare moments when he isn't writing code, talking about code or
 measuring his code productivity in profanity per hour, you can find him on
 his bike in the mountains or on the roads surrounding Cache Valley. Justin
 can be found pontificating at http://www.justinball.com



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Re: [IAEP] Any olpc/Sugar/ICT4E people in Spain?

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:02 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.comwrote:

 In spain, most autonomous regions have their own distro, which means
 that in essence getting pro-linux, and even quite techinically savy
 folks in that domain should be pretty easy to find. I know Madrid
 itself has its own autonomous linux distro called distro MAX (Madrid
 Linux) Of course, it often becomes a marketing competition rather than
 something else, but it does mean a high usage of linux across the
 public board. Trying to get them to include new things though, is
 sometimes very very hard (example: sugar)


Note that Trisquel, and Trisquel On A Sugar Toast,
http://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-sugar
have been leaders in Sugar distribution.
http://trisquel.info/en/faq

 --Fred


 But good luck,
 David Van Assche
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Re: [IAEP] [fonc] English language literacy software?

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Michael FIG mich...@fig.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 This is tangentially related to the broad ideas of computer and
 mathematics literacy that Alan has, and so I would like to ask the list
 for your opinions and advice.  (If you have things to share that are not
 related to computing, please reply to me privately.)

 My wife, Susana, works at an agency that helps immigrant families from
 all over the world settle in Canada.  They are currently looking for
 software or online resources to help improve literacy for youth (and
 possibly younger children), sometimes teaching EAL (English as an
 Additional Language) from square one.

 Susana and I saw some connection with VPRI, as at least some of the
 children have little past exposure to computers, and that literacy is
 not about a specific language, but about solidifying new knowledge with
 experimentation and creative expression.  I've admired Kim's handbook
 that guides math learners through Squeak-based experiments.  Is there an
 approach embracing this model (computer as an empty world for performing
 experiments, not as a multiple-choice quiz automator) with exercises
 involving language?

 To give some political context, the conventional advice currently on the
 table is to license Rosetta Stone for children.  Do you see better
 alternatives?  Does this belong in the scope of FONC?

 Thanks,

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Forwarding this to 'It's an Education Project', Sugar Labs general mailing
list, as this topic naturally arises among this community.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki

There are also some interesting links in the OLPC, One Laptop per Child,
wiki, such as,
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Language_Learning

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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Tour of Uruguay / Vuelta Ciclista del Uruguay

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Carlos Rabassa car...@mac.com wrote:

 English text follows after Spanish

 Acabamos de revisar y completar los dos artículos que ofrecimos en
 respuesta a la reciente solicitud de ideas para celebrar la próxima Vuelta
 Ciclista del Uruguay / Tour of Uruguay:

 S042 - Entendiendo la Bicicleta

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1T3GCDPTim8S84WqPq-wYb8Gc_UOzshADn237cm-IHzE

 S043 - Entendiendo el Cuerpo del Ciclista

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=14wg7c71iQkGJs2QrldQ75fS5DZCTjhCLPP4vRgrWFgQ

 English text:

 We have just completed an updated the two articles we offered in response
 to the recent request for ideas to celebrate the forthcoming Tour of Uruguay
 / Vuelta Ciclista del Uruguay.

 E042 - Understanding the Bicycle

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=19Dug-0DCk2520Fsx0hl-dzZDJp3cWVDWBDL-ik1Js14

 E043 - Understanding the Cyclist’s Body

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1v7oJJ0KEcmJ5cNpOokoxw0HgbWmu3ZOxX3QXNVpIBRs

 Carlos Rabassa
 Voluntario
 Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
 Montevideo, Uruguay


 Here is an interesting reverence:

 A 'Perspectives' Psychology, article in SCIENCE (magazine), *Science
 Starts Early*, by Frank C. Keil,
 http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6020/1022.summary
 http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6020/1022.summary(full article
 requires membership).
 The follow-on sentence to the teaser in the summary is,

 Evidence is mounting, however, that young children are often quite adept
 at uncovering statistical and causal patterns and that many foundations of
 scientific thought are built impressively early in our lives.

 One example given is about the digestive system:

 For example, while being completely ignorant about the biological details,
 most preschoolers do know that food gets transformed after it enters the
 body and that the transformed version is critical for helping the body to
 grow and to move [1].

 The article goes on to discuss

 ...certain broad intuitions and expectations about plausible and
 implausible patterns.  One relates to an essentialist bias: the idea that
 something you can't see (e.g., microstructural stuff) causes what you can
 see ... and is the essence of the thing being observed.

 that may apply for inferences drawn from patterns of covariance for
 biological phenomena but not for physical phenomena.

 [1] K. Inagaki, G. Hatano, *Curr. Dir. Psychol. Sci.* *15*, 177 (2006)

 

 Second comment:
 The word 'dirty' has many negative connotations in English and may not be
 suitable as applied to the blood leaving the Tissues compartment. Perhaps
 'waste-bearing' and 'purified' blood would match the sophistication of
 'oxygenated'.  'Fresh' air - 'exhaled' air might also match this level of
 sophistication.

 In this context, the diagram might be labeled, 'Material flow diagram of
 the human body'.

 

 Thanks for sharing!

--Fred


http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
may also be of interest.
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Tour of Uruguay / Vuelta Ciclista del Uruguay

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Carlos Rabassa car...@mac.com wrote:

 English text follows after Spanish

 Acabamos de revisar y completar los dos artículos que ofrecimos en
 respuesta a la reciente solicitud de ideas para celebrar la próxima Vuelta
 Ciclista del Uruguay / Tour of Uruguay:

 S042 - Entendiendo la Bicicleta

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1T3GCDPTim8S84WqPq-wYb8Gc_UOzshADn237cm-IHzE

 S043 - Entendiendo el Cuerpo del Ciclista

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=14wg7c71iQkGJs2QrldQ75fS5DZCTjhCLPP4vRgrWFgQ

 English text:

 We have just completed an updated the two articles we offered in response
 to the recent request for ideas to celebrate the forthcoming Tour of Uruguay
 / Vuelta Ciclista del Uruguay.

 E042 - Understanding the Bicycle

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=19Dug-0DCk2520Fsx0hl-dzZDJp3cWVDWBDL-ik1Js14

 E043 - Understanding the Cyclist’s Body

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1v7oJJ0KEcmJ5cNpOokoxw0HgbWmu3ZOxX3QXNVpIBRs

 Carlos Rabassa
 Voluntario
 Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
 Montevideo, Uruguay


Here is an interesting reverence:

A 'Perspectives' Psychology, article in SCIENCE (magazine), *Science Starts
Early*, by Frank C. Keil,
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6020/1022.summary
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6020/1022.summary(full article
requires membership).
The follow-on sentence to the teaser in the summary is,

Evidence is mounting, however, that young children are often quite adept at
uncovering statistical and causal patterns and that many foundations of
scientific thought are built impressively early in our lives.

One example given is about the digestive system:

For example, while being completely ignorant about the biological details,
most preschoolers do know that food gets transformed after it enters the
body and that the transformed version is critical for helping the body to
grow and to move [1].

The article goes on to discuss

...certain broad intuitions and expectations about plausible and
implausible patterns.  One relates to an essentialist bias: the idea that
something you can't see (e.g., microstructural stuff) causes what you can
see ... and is the essence of the thing being observed.

that may apply for inferences drawn from patterns of covariance for
biological phenomena but not for physical phenomena.

[1] K. Inagaki, G. Hatano, *Curr. Dir. Psychol. Sci.* *15*, 177 (2006)



Second comment:
The word 'dirty' has many negative connotations in English and may not be
suitable as applied to the blood leaving the Tissues compartment. Perhaps
'waste-bearing' and 'purified' blood would match the sophistication of
'oxygenated'.  'Fresh' air - 'exhaled' air might also match this level of
sophistication.

In this context, the diagram might be labeled, 'Material flow diagram of the
human body'.



Thanks for sharing!

   --Fred
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[IAEP] Fwd: animated doodle infographic: changing education paradigms

[Frederick Grose]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:26 AM
Subject: animated doodle infographic: changing education paradigms
To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots olpc-philippi...@lists.laptop.org,
devel de...@lists.laptop.org


Hi guys!

Please check this video on a neat talk given by Sir Ken Robinson at
RSA, illustrated by progressive animated doodling with a sharpie on a
whiteboard.

RSA Animate - Changing Education Paradigms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

-Naz

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http://twitter.com/object404
http://www.object404.com
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Re: [IAEP] Interactive game 'Vanished' doubles as an educational tool - USATODAY.com

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Kevin Cole kjc...@dc.sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Interactive game 'Vanished' doubles as an educational tool
 http://usat.me/43997794

See another great example of community involvement by the Smithsonian
Institute in this video
from PBS, Digital Media - New Learners of the 21st Century:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1764943332/

Some related game learning links:

http://www.engagelearning.eu/?page_id=18

http://www.sandboxsummit.org/gamechangers.html
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Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Nicholas Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.eduwrote:


 This is a tremendously interesting but increasingly technical discussion.
 It's difficult to weigh pros and cons of an entire OS in an e-mail
 discussion. Would it be possible for people to create pages on the wiki so
 we can get a clearer outline of:

 * What is each OS?  Explain to a teacher using SoaS what ChromeOS and
 Android actually are. Avoiding conflation with Chrome browser and Droid
 phone.

 * What education apps exist already?  Are there grants or challenge prizes
 for app developers?

 * Do you believe Sugar activities can make the transition?  Will Native
 Development Kit (Android) and Native Client (ChromeOS) help?

 Thanks,
 Nick Doiron


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_systemis a background primer on
operating systems.

Why not outline some more of your inquiries from a teacher interested in
Sugar or Sugar-on-xyz perspective?
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Questions

And the community can begin to fill in the answers.

  --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:19 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Martin Langhoff 
 martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sugar is starting to move forward again. We could focus or we could
 Get Distracted!


The opportunity is that 'We' could become larger, as in a rising tide lifts
all boats.
All those devoted to the millions of our current Learners and their
platforms should find new assistance from the 10s or 100s of millions of new
Learners and their devices and platforms.

Sugar Labs is founded on Sugar Everywhere, and needs the infusion of
interest from popular technology.

We even have a cute name for this, 'Galactose',
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy#Galactose:_a_future_Sugar_base_designed_for_alternate_computing_forms

Our recent marketing study, has stimulated us to reflect upon our public and
community,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Website#Website_2

We and Sugar can be larger and everywhere, but not without plenty of focus,
as Martin has modeled,

 - ask interesting questions
 - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first


  --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote:

 {...}

 That does sound interesting -- I don't know much about what it's
 possible to do with JavaScript these days, but the combination of
 being faster than Python and being pervasively editable is exciting.
 Do you know of any proof-of-concept Chrome extensions that do
 activity-like things or allow you to modify their own source on
 the fly that we should check out?


Check out http://lively-kernel.org/


 Thanks,

 - Chris.
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 One Laptop Per Child

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Re: [IAEP] Google Summer of Code 2011

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.comwrote:

 Hi Christoph

 On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Christoph Derndorfer 
 e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote:

 Great news!

 Is there some sort of review or overview of the achievements of last
 year's projects available? I remember some cool proposals and
 interesting discussions on the mailing-lists but now I can't seem to
 find a page which details what exactly ended up being done.


 I haven't found such page also. afaik there isn't one.



 Thanks,
 Christoph

 Am 06.02.2011 00:20, schrieb Walter Bender:
  Sugar Labs will be applying to Google Summer of Code again for 2011.
  Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero dir...@gmail.com has kindly
  volunteered to be our coordinator. He is in the process of updating
  the wiki. We will be seeking mentors, students, and project ideas.
 
  regards.
 
  -walter
 

 --
 Christoph Derndorfer
 co-editor, www.olpcnews.com
 e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com


http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code#Subpages
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code#Subpagesand
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:GSoC

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:GSoChave some references.

 --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] Tools for the community meeting

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Pablo Flores pflor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Next meeting: We're continuing the discussion on Wednesday 02 February 2011
at the same time (9PM UTC, 4PM EST) in #sugar-meeting.

  http://chat.sugarlabs.org:9090/?channels=sugar-meeting

 Did you mean the next Wednesday on the calendar (02 February 2011), or
 Wednesday next week (09 February 2011)?

 Next Wednesday on the calendar (Feb 2nd, after tomorrow).

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Re: [IAEP] WikiLeaks reveals hidden Sugar blogs :)

[Frederick Grose]

You can add any comets you spot here:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Blogs

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Holt h...@laptop.org wrote:

 Rev up your Spanish and dive into these great teachers' points-of-view etc,
 thanks to Walter Bender especially:

http://xo-cesaraguero.blogspot.com
http://formando-artistas.blogspot.com
http://miguela-xo.blogspot.com
http://aprendiendodelaxo.blogspot.com
http://xomimundo.blogspot.com/2010/08/bicentenario-del-paraguay.html
http://www.ceibalflorida.blogspot.com
http://recursoscompartidos38.blogspot.com
http://bloguentarios.blogspot.com (a different sort of blog)

 Don't hesitate to press for translation (eg. into English/whatever) of your
 favorite blog posts you find above :)


Google Chrome's autotranslation is convenient, as well.
http://translate.google.com/about/
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Re: [IAEP] Tools for the community (#sugar-meeting, Wednesday 4PM Boston time)

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Pablo Flores pflor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all!

 As some of you know, I started working in AC (www.activitycentral.com) as
 Community Architect. Last weeks I've been looking at a lot of information,
 discussing ideas with team members and friends (Walter, Adam, Bernie,
 dfarning, alsroot...) and trying to find out what a community architect
 should do :) I still don't know the answer, but there are some ideas worth
 to be discussed openly.

 One of my first concerns is promoting the community growth, so newcomers
 become very important: How to make it easier for them to learn what's going
 on in the community and find the right places to participate?
 The other big concern is having better community
 members intercommunication.

 For all of this, there are some tools and standards that could be helpful.

 Please join us on Wednesday at 4PM EST in #sugar-meeting

http://chat.sugarlabs.org:9090/?channels=sugar-meeting

 to discuss some of this issues:
 1. Centralized Authentication Service?
 2. Metadata (taxonomy, hashtags, ...)
 3. Users tracker (throughout different platflorms)
 4. Aggregating information (feeds, archives, logs, tweets, ...)
 5. Search tools

 Saludos,
 Pablo Flores
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[IAEP] Fwd: [fonc] Visual 6502 microprocessor

[Frederick Grose]

Have you ever wondered how the chips inside your computer work?  How they
process information and run programs?  Are you maybe a bit let down by the
low resolution of chip photographs on the web or by complex diagrams that
reveal very little about how circuits work?  Then you've come to the right
place!
http://www.visual6502.org
http://www.visual6502.org
-- Forwarded message --
From: Casey Ransberger casey.obrie...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM
Subject: [fonc] Visual 6502
To: Fundamentals of New Computing f...@vpri.org


This is kind of cool. They took a 6502, X-rayed it, vectorized the
photographs, and then used polygon intersection to implement an emulator in
JavaScript. I haven't hears of anyone doing anything like that before. Made
me think of the FONC TCP/IP bootstrap in it's surprising straightforwardness
and unorthodoxy.

Also, it seems to suggest a polygonal language, which is interesting to
me.

You can watch a color coded image of the processor doing it's thing and even
step through code, right in your browser. I really think this could be a fun
way to teach kids about microprocessors.

Thought I'd share, hopefully this is interesting to folks:)

http://www.visual6502.org
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[IAEP] Organizational needs was: stepping down as maintainer

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.frwrote:


 {...}

 I did a small experiment: I clicked on the Getting involved button.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Getting_Involved


 I'm not falling into those categories: developer, designer, educator,
 content writer.  I can help as a translator (I did so in the past) and
 as a people person.


 So I clicked on the People person button.

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Getting_Involved#People_Person


 I understand the projects listed here and how I can help them: marketing
 team, documentation team, deployment team, local labs, soas.

 Here is my list (preference order) :

 - *Local labs*: I will try to have more people involved in Sugar from
  France.  Since early october, we have at least two new members of OLPC
  who will work more on Sugar.

 - *Sugar on a stick*: together with other members, I will try to develop
  a french Soas.

 - *Marketing team*: [sadly enough, we don't seem to have news from Sean.
  Hopefully nothing bad happened to him - he's usually very responsive.]
  My role here could be a general outreach role: trying to translate
  marketing documents, speak more about Sugar in events, etc.

 I'm addressing this message to you since your the contact for this role.

 :)

 There is something I miss in the list of teams/projects for people
 persons: community management.  This is very different from marketing
 and outreach.  Maybe this project/role could be advertized somewhere
 on the wiki.

 I'll keep this list updated about progress I make in this role.


Please also feel welcome to revise and update wiki pages, including
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vacancies

They can go 'stale' without community updates.

   --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] One-to-one research

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Beth Santos b...@waveplace.org wrote:

 Hi all, looking for any research/documentation directly addressing the
 efficacy of one-to-one laptop programs and Papert-like instruction. Any help
 would be great. Thanks much!

 Beth


These pages aim to support such questions:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_research
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_research
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Education_Bibliographies
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Education_Bibliographies
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Evaluation_Studies

Updates would be welcome.

  --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-uruguay] [Sur] Sugar Labs Oversight Board?

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Tabitha I agree! Is there a tool out there somewhere that does
 simultaneous translations?


Mibbit is a web chat service that supports inline translation,
http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Input_Options#Translation_Menu.

The #schoolserver channel, irc://irc.oftc.net#schoolserver, might be a good
place to use it.
Here is a Mibbit link to it,
https://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.oftc.netchannel=%23schoolserver

 --Fred
http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Input_Options#Translation_Menu


 Learning another language as an adult takes a real commitment and a lot of
 time. I have been working on Spanish for about 46+ years. I used it a lot in
 my teaching and counseling job in Los Angeles. I am retired now and use it
 when I travel and when I do volunteer work for OLPC.

 The more I use it in translating, the more comfortable I get. Now I am at
 the stage where I use a translator only to verify the accent marks and,
 sometimes, the gender of a noun.  My dictionary or thesaurus provides
 synonyms when I would be using the same word more than once in a sentence...
 a matter of style.

 There are a lot of good online tools for learning English or Spanish.  Live
 Mocha has some new subscription courses that seem to be an improvement on
 their old free ones, which are still available.  They don't take you very
 far though, Alas! http://www.livemocha.com/

 Caryl

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 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:54:26 +1200
 Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-uruguay] [Sur] Sugar Labs Oversight Board?
 From: tabi...@tabitha.net.nz
 To: cbige...@hotmail.com
 CC: olpc-urug...@lists.laptop.org; olpc-...@lists.laptop.org;
 rosano...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org;
 support-g...@lists.laptop.org


 I am so happy that my question of considering a deployment teacher on the
 Sugar oversight board is generating engagement with teachers - whatever
 happens from here we are already bringing the techies and the teachers
 closer together just through this discussion.

 I vote we all learn Spanish and English. Failing that, lets take another
 look at how we communicate. Maybe mailing lists are not the most appropriate
 method? If we rethink our communication method and start looking for a way
 to talk that allows us to participate in our own language (even if the
 translation is not perfect, maybe it is better than missing a lot of the
 talk due to reliance on a translator following all the mailing lists) that
 would reduce the language barrier for others in the Sugar community too, not
 just English and Spanish.

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Re: [IAEP] Login Name?

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Hi...

 Somehow I thought I had an id and password on the Sugar Labs wiki.  But,
 try as I may, I can't find it!  I also can't find out how to get one.  I
 wanted to edit something on the wiki and need to have one to do it.  I don't
 have an open id that I can use.


There are many potential OpenID providers.  See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:OpenIDLogin.  You might have an account
on one of them.


 Can someone help?


If you can remember a page that  you edited in the past, we could examine
the page history to see your wiki account name, if you ever had one.

  --Fred


 Thanks,
 Caryl

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[IAEP] Installing Activities question

[Frederick Grose]

From a new question on the wiki:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_help#on_Sugar_activities

I downloaded Sugar on a Stick and ran it on my computer -- however, the
project I'm working with is about the Calculate activity. I found how to
download the Calculate activity from your Activities page, however I don't
know how to take that downloaded activity and incorporate it into my USB
device/environment. So my question is: How can I take a downloaded activity
and use it with Sugar on a Stick?

There are a number of ways to install new Activities into Sugar:

   1. Using the Browse Activity in Sugar, navigate to the *Sugar Activity
   Library* (http://activities.sugarlabs.org), find the Activity you want
   and click the 'Download Now' button. In Sugar, you should see an alert that
   counts down the transfer. Once the download is saved, a new alert offers to
   show the new Activity in your Journal. Clicking the 'Show in Journal' button
   will take you to a detail view of the ActivityName.xo entry. Clicking the
   icon at the top left of this view will launch the Activity. The Home view
   favorites and Journal will show the new Activity installed.
   2. If the Activity is downloaded to another computer, the downloaded
   activity is contained in the ActivityName.xo file that is saved on the
   computer that did the download. If you have another USB device, copy that
   file to the root folder, /, at the base of your USB device. Then boot
   Sugar on a Stick and go to the Journal. When the second USB device is
   inserted, it should appear in the bottom bar of the Journal. Clicking on the
   USB device icon will show its contents. Drag the ActivityName.xo file to
   the Journal icon at the far left of the bottom bar. Then click on the
   Journal icon and the ActivityName.xo entry will display at the top of the
   Journal. Click the icon for ActivityName and it will launch.
   3. If the downloaded ActivityName.xo file is copied to the SoaS USB
   device, and that device is booted into Sugar, one may use the Terminal
   activity to unzip the file into the /home/liveuser/Activities folder using
   these commands: cd /home/liveuser/Activities/ (The /home/liveuser/ path
   may be substituted with /home/olpc/ on an XO.) unzip
   /mnt/live/ActivityName.xo (The /mnt/live/path-to-.xo may be substituted
   with an accessible ActivityName.xo path.) The Activity will appear in
   the Home view favorites, and after it has been launched, it will appear in
   the Journa


This is a good candidate for the FAQ,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/FAQ#Activities, once the community
has had a chance to refine the text.
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[IAEP] Sugata Mitra: The child-driven Education

[Frederick Grose]

Newly posted in September 2010:
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html
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Re: [IAEP] Grants for Open Educational Resources

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

 I intend to apply for creating digital textbook replacements. Anyone
 else interested?


How about affiliating with Sugar Labs as a Sugar Labs project?


 http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/22912

 U.S. Department of Education includes OER in notice of proposed
 priorities for grant programs
 Timothy Vollmer, August 5th, 2010

 Today the U.S. Department of Education took another big step in
 supporting open educational resources (OER). In the Federal Register,
 the Department released a notice of proposed priorities (NPP):

The Secretary of Education proposes priorities that the Department
 of Education (Department) may use for any appropriate discretionary
 grant program in fiscal year (FY) 2011 and future years … This action
 will permit all offices in the Department to use, as appropriate for
 particular discretionary grant programs, one or more of these
 priorities in any discretionary grant competition.

 The set of proposed priorities specifically mentions OER. Essentially,
 if the priorities are adopted, it could mean that grant seekers who
 include open educational resources as a component of an application
 for funding from the Department of Education could receive priority.
 OER is included in Proposed Priority 13–Improving Productivity:

Projects that are designed to significantly increase efficiency in
 the use of time, staff, money, or other resources. Such projects may
 include innovative and sustainable uses of technology, modification of
 school schedules, use of open educational resources (as defined in
 this notice), or other strategies that improve results and increase
 productivity.

 As mentioned, the NPP includes a definition of open educational resources:

Open educational resources (OER) means teaching, learning, and
 research resources that reside in the public domain or have been
 released under an intellectual property license that permits their
 free use or repurposing by others.

 Interested parties may submit comments to the notice of proposed
 priorities until September 7, 2010. Information about how to submit a
 comment is described in the notice.

 --
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 Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
 The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
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Re: [IAEP] Looking for suggestions

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tim McNamara
paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nzwrote:


 {...}



I'm really interested in what you think a Sugar for high school aged youth
 would look like.

 One thing that OLPC spent a lot of time on was the Human Interface
 Guidelines. Some things have slipped, Sugar is moving away from integer
 activity numbers  only using verbs to describe activities, but on the whole
 it's a very good read.

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Guidelines


Please reference http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines; this
is the canonical copy, and includes a few updates.

Jim's suggestions on reviewing his Floss manuals,

http://en.flossmanuals.net/ActivitiesGuideSugar/Introduction

http://en.flossmanuals.net/ReadingandSugar/Introduction

are also good places to start.

  --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Community (was Re: [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review)

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:



{...}



If I could get a pressure sensor hooked
 up to the sound port, it would be possible to make a touch-screen
 device into a Midi breath controller.


The microphone is a sort of sound pressure sensor.  Start Measure and
quietly blow on the microphone.
You should notice a large signal.

Best wishes!--Fred
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Re: [IAEP] First steps with Sugar

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Cherry Withers cwith...@ekindling.orgwrote:

 Hi Werner,

 Before I started my deployment training in the Philippines (with XOs not
 SoaS), I asked the same question. I came across a small wiki write up by
 Caroline Meeks and Walter Bender before I saw the myriad of manuals on
 deployment and it served as my guide for the first minutes/hour of my
 training. Wish I can find the wiki-link now.


http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/How_to_present_Sugar
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Re: [IAEP] Books and educational achievement

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On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote:

 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 05:26:37PM -0400, Chris Leonard wrote:
 ...
  Books in the home as important as parents’ education level
 
 http://www.unr.edu/nevadanews/templates/details.aspx?articleid=5450zoneid=8

 The article itself:


 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B82Y4-4YC2XKM-1/2/7c2bbf36de3f004c7cd8606ee7d851cc

 Anyone have a link to the paper itself or a draft thereof?  I love
 reading a 2007 paper for $31.50 as much as the next person, but...


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[IAEP] Fwd: Why Science is Cool National K-12 Video Contest in partnership with The Kavli Foundation and SciVee

[Frederick Grose]

-- Forwarded message --
From: supp...@scivee.tv
Date: Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:17 AM
Subject: Why Science is Cool National K-12 Video Contest in partnership
with The Kavli Foundation and SciVee
To: supp...@scivee.tv


 Why Science is Cool National K-12 Video Contest in partnership with
The Kavli Foundation and SciVee
  The USA Science  Engineering Festival's Kavli Science Video Contest is
looking for videos that are creative, surprising, and can be used to share
students' love of science with other kids. Videos can be linked to current
curriculum, a science fair project or can be whatever students' decide works
for them.   Winners will receive cash prizes for their school, electronics
prizes, tickets to meet the MythBusters and possibly even a trip to the Expo
in Washington, DC. The top videos will be featured during the Expo and at
other Festival events. Submission Deadline: July 15, 2010.   To learn more
visit:
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Re: [IAEP] SoaS Deployment in Delhi, India

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Anurag Goel agoe...@gmail.com wrote:

 ...



We are planning to use SoaS Strawberry version1 in India. If USR is stable
 by June, we would like to use that. We ruled out SoaS Blueberry because of
 problems with collaboration. Anyone suggest a different strategy?


SoaS-Mirabelle, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mirabelle, is
preforming quite well. (You should switch your wiki skin to 'Vector', in
your user preferences page, to see the page more appropriately while we are
in the process of updating the default wiki skin.)

Mirabelle will ship with many fewer Activities, but one can customize an
image easily with http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Sugar_Clone.
And with a little preparation, optimize the build and
file system layout, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/LiveOS_image.

   Best wishes! --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki.sugarlabs.org relocation

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:

 El Sat, 08-05-2010 a las 18:51 -0400, Bernie Innocenti escribió:
  The wiki will become read-only for the next 1-2 hours while I'm
  relocating it to sunjammer and upgrading to Mediawiki 1.16.

 Done. Please allow up to 1h for DNS caches to refresh.


I've had to switch skins (click on your 'prefs' link at the top right of
every page in your account link bar next to your name) from the ShikiWiki
default to Vector in order to find a usable page edit button/link.

Please advise.
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Re: [IAEP] maintenance

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote:

 Hi,

 follows a plan about how to improve the situation regarding
 maintenance of our software modules. If you care about it, please
 reply even if only to say so, or even better, comment on it and
 suggest improvements. I will assume that lack of replies mean people
 don't care about it and will stop caring about it myself.

 == The problem ==

 The process by which our software reaches to children is complex and
 involves several organizations. Sugar Labs is one of those and its
 responsibility is to provide the raw sources that organizations
 downstream such as OLPC, Fedora and Paraguay Educa will modify,
 package, ship and install. It's very important that modifications done
 downstream are kept to a minimum so that all downstreams share as much
 work as possible. This means that the raw sources we provide need to
 contain the features that downstream need in each release and that it
 contains as few bugs as possible.

 In order to provide good raw sources, we have a series of processes
 that assure that the expected features are present and that the worst
 bugs are either fixed or at least well-known. These processes include
 testing, bug triage (keeping the bug database in order), source
 release, code review, user experience design and code development. An
 important role present in most of those processes is that of the
 module maintainer.

 A module maintainer takes responsibility for a part of the source
 code. The maintainer will release code at known times and will have
 worked so it has gone through the processes outlined above. Of course,
 the maintainer cannot do all the work by herself, but is ultimately
 responsible for it. Normally the maintainer will have spent most of
 her time triaging and fixing bugs, and will be trying hard to keep the
 module in order so that in future releases the maintenance burden
 doesn't grow too much as new code gets in. An important process in
 keeping the maintenance burden in check is code review, by which the
 maintainer checks that the new code that gets in a release won't
 increase the maintenance burden too much.

 The problem is that very few people in Sugar Labs are willing to do
 that maintenance work. We have people keen on packaging Sugar,
 deploying it, training teachers on it, developing new activities and
 new Sugar features, people write books about Sugar, setup help lines
 to support Sugar users, universities are given grants to study the use
 of Sugar, load machines with it, etc. Big amounts of volunteer time
 and money are being spent around Sugar but almost nothing is going to
 maintenance. Paradoxically, any use of Sugar requires that it is
 reasonably stable and most investments are made with the assumption
 that Sugar will keep being developed.

 I also want to make explicit that almost all maintenance effort has
 come from a few volunteers that are tired and disappointed about the
 little importance that has been given to this work. We are very close
 to have no maintainers at all in Sugar, meaning as well that nobody
 with the needed experience will be around to mentor new maintainers.


 == Proposal A: Get downstreams working better inside Sugar Labs ==

 I would say that the main reason why so many people are keen in
 investing on Sugar but so little goes into maintenance is
 miscommunication. Downstreams don't know how Sugar is developed, who
 develops it nor what is to gain by investing upstream nor what they
 risk by not doing so. And we cannot keep sitting on our hands waiting
 for each of them to have an epiphany.

 I don't want to give the impression that nobody is doing any of that
 outreach work, Walter has met with OLPC deployment representatives and
 has tried to explain it to them, Bernie is volunteering at Paraguay,
 Gonzalo is working at the OLPC deployment in Argentina and I have
 traveled to Uruguay to talk about this. But while these individual
 efforts have had a positive effect by themselves, we still have lots
 of other downstreams to reach and we also must follow up on those
 relationships. My hypothesis is that we are losing great opportunities
 by not having better covered this area.

 In order to do that, I think SLs should give maximum priority to
 revive the deployment team:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team


 == Proposal B: Get our community thinking about resourcing ==

 If the deployment team was working as it should (with participation of
 several downstreams), the needs of our users and partners would be
 voiced there. But it's not enough with voicing needs, it can even be
 harmful if we make exigences on overworked volunteers because some
 will burnout and stop contributing. We also need to think about how we
 can get the resources to address those needs.

 A community team would be working on improving Sugar Labs' community
 of doing things. They would be making sure that SLs is a good place
 for downstreams to 

Re: [IAEP] index file for http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/ needed

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Thomas C Gilliard 
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:

 http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/

 An index.txt file is needed on this page.

 presently this page is very hard to use directly.

 ASLO seems to only show latest and greatest version of activities...

 How can one find an older version of for example:
 write..version 60 for 0.82.1 sugar (XO-1) vs ver 67 on ASLO?
 Are all of the older versions of applications available here?

 Or alternately also list older versions on ASLO with compatability info.


activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4201 provides this.

The 'Release Notes, section for an Activity (at the bottom) has a link for
'View Older Versions'.

  --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] FOSS VT presentation

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Christoph Derndorfer 
e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote:

 ...
 In general http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments is the place to go for
 this type of information.


http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=107887635573341686661.00045a8f74844ef1681f8z=2

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=107887635573341686661.00045a8f74844ef1681f8z=2from
that page has an overview.

Unfortunately the page was outdated for a long time but I've repeatedly
 pushed some folks at OLPC to get back to updating it regularly. Now
 looking at the page's history you can see that SJ updated it on March
 31st and while the page itself still talks about info being from August
 or December 2009 (depending on where you look) I would assume that it
 more or less reflects the current state of things.

 @SJ: Please let me know if my assumptions here are wrong! :-)

 Cheers,
 Christoph

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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki design

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org
wrote:
  On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 11:44 -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
  I agree that sites which don't restrict the body column width are
  generally more difficult to read, and it can be frustrating to users
  who have a number of tabs open in a single window to continually
  resize that window to make those sites readable. I'd put in a vote for
  setting a max-width (instead of a fixed width), specified in ems, so
  that the line length is comfortable for readability regardless of the
  font size, and the layout can still scale down gracefully for narrower
  viewports, such as on mobile devices.
 
  I'd recommend something around 80–100 characters per line for best
  readability. (It looks like about 100 now, so no change needed there.)
  I'm happy to see you've already set the line-height to something
  reasonable, too. Anyway, I love the redesign. I think it's looking
  great! nice work.
 
  I totally agree. Josh, is anything that you'd like to change before we
  move your work to the production wiki?
 
 
  One other note I had was that I'd like to see hover effects on links
  in the main articles, just like those in the menu to the left.
 
  I'm +1 on adding a hover effect, but -1 on removing the underlining
  hint, which would make the links harder to distinguish.

 Yeah, that's fine. Maybe keep the underline in the default state, but
 remove it in the hover state when the background color changes.
 Eben

We should consider the design and accessibility problems of link underlines.

Insufficient contrast between the link color and regular text make them
difficult to distinguish on monochrome screens.  (With the back light off on
an XO-1, the wiki.sugarlabs.org links are less distinguishable as may be
desired, but some on the www.sugarlabs.org site, especially as the colors
change, are impossible to distinguish.)

Excess and heavy underlines of heavily-linked sections (navigation bars like
the sidebar and table of contents) or even regular content sections can
overload the page with horizontal forms that distract the eye and make
reading difficult.

The default placement of the underline rule intersects with typeface
descenders and this reduces the clarity of the text for reading.

I've found that the excess heaviness and horizontal lining of solid
underlines can be reduced by using a dotted, lightgray bottom-border
underline {text-decoration:none;border-bottom:1px dotted;border-color:
gray}.  This can be tested at wiki.laptop.org (which allows user .css and
.js customization on the monobook skin) by selecting the monobook skin and
entering this line on your User:Username/monobook.css, follow the 'Custom
CSS' link next to MonoBook on the Skin tab of your Preferences page:

#bodyContent a {text-decoration:none;border-bottom:1px dotted;border-color:
lightgray}

bugs.sugarlabs.org uses a similar link underline.

More discussion of the wiki skin redesign is at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap/Wiki_skin_redesign.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

[Frederick Grose]

See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/535#comment:5, Expose Journal, Home,
Group, Neighborhood,  Frame Sources, where it's suggested that we extend
the 'Show Source' facility to more of Sugar.

Learners like to exercise and demonstrate their knowledge by customizing or
changing their environments. We can guide them to learn deeper concepts by
giving them ways to encode their customizations. (Providing a convenient
undo, save, and restore facility for their work would accelerate their
learning.)

The 'Modifying Sugar' chapter in our manual,
http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/ModifyingSugar, provides a nice entry ramp
for this learning activity. We could provide a similar tutorial for other
Sugar features and then benefit from the creativity of all our learners.


On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org
wrote:

 On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 13:35 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

  So +1 to look customization. E.g., why not allow to change the
  gray frame color? In Etoys you can at least change the toolbar
  color (not permanently though, I should fix that). Even if it
  enrages our latte-drinking black-wearing designer friends ;)
  they're kids after all ...

 I feel that Sugar should aim to reach the same level of hackability of
 eToys: every UI element is an object that you could drag, drop, copy or
 modify.

 Of course, this has consequences in terms of stability and clarity.
 Before we could unleash this power we need to think of ways to recover
 from mistakes. If multiple undo is too hard, a restore everything to
 defaults might be good enough.

 Perhaps we're worrying too much. Re-installing the system from USB takes
 only 3 minutes and is already being done very often. A boy just showed
 up on the door of the repair lab, saying: se borró el Navegador (the
 Browse activity deleted itself :-)

 All we need to do is make the backup-update-restore procedure slightly
 more automated so that kids and teachers could do it without bothering
 the technicians.

 Actually, we don't even need to worry too much for a solid backup and
 restore procedure. I've always suspected that most kids wouldn't care
 about preserving their diary. Now it's confirmed: kids are flocking here
 to get the new version of Sugar even though their journals are not going
 to be preserved across the upgrade.

 On the other hand, teachers and teacher trainers always ask to preserve
 the content of their journal. Technicians use a pair of simple shell
 scripts to tar up the journal to a USB stick, so they don't depend on
 being within the range of the correct school server.

 I'll summarize all these things in a field report asap.

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Re: [IAEP] wiki design

[Frederick Grose]

 (Dropping systems@ and adding marketing@, as this is more of a design
 discussion.)

 Thank you Josh for your contributions to Sugar Labs!

 I must admit that I would prefer to see a bit more of the Sugar style
 elements maintained or added to the Sugar Labs wiki skin.

 The proposed skin at http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ has lost many of the
 style elements found in our product, Sugar, as expressed in The Sugar
 Interface/Controlshttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Controls.
 In particular, the bold strokes of the Sugar icons on the tabs, the dark
 background of the Sugar toolbar with gray-scale icons, and colors holding 
 special
 meaninghttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface#Imbuing_Color_with_Meaning
 .

 I like that the proposed skin includes the single-line logo (hoping also
 that it can be placed so that it also works with the very common monobook
 skin and others).

 Among our sister sites, my favorites for header and navigation linkbars
 are http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ and http://git.sugarlabs.org/ (primarily
 because they both seem to use bold underline strokes on the event of mouse
 pointer hover, and their dark backgrounds remind me of the Sugar toolbar).
  I'd prefer that the bright colors of links carry 'special meaning' by being
 revealed on hover, indicating the appropriate time for user participation,
 that is a click of a mouse button. The current header navigation links at
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ and most of the current tab links have this
 behavior, but need the bolder strokes and underscores of the translate and
 git headers.  Having the  descender on the 'g' hang over the bottom of the
 header area at the translate does add a bit of spice, even if it flirts with
 the Marketing Team's Logo 
 guidelineshttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo
 .

 In the content areas, to keep a clean, uncluttered, and easy-to-read page
 (especially because of descenders on the typeface), I prefer to have the
 underscores appear on links only when they are activated by mouse hover.  In
 the proposed skin, compare, for example, the greater ease of reading those
 links on the sidebar versus the links in the table of contents box.

 Thank you for considering the thoughts and preferences I've presented
 above.

--Fred


For those interested in follow-up details, you may use this wiki page for
sharing and collaboration,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap/Wiki_skin_redesign.

(Josh has a new version of the skin to review at
http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs.)

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Re: [IAEP] wiki design

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM, josh williams j...@tucson-labs.comwrote:

 From what I could gather, Bernie was just making suggestions for what a
 site wide navigation could look like. I actually like Bernie's idea of
 making it more like google's universal nav. I think something like the
 following would work well:

 HomeWikiDownloadActivitiesMore 

 The more link would be a drop down of all our other sub domains.

 At any rate I'm almost done with http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ - so any
 information on how to edit the main navigation would be very helpful. We can
 push the changes without changing the main nav once I get finished bug
 checking, but I think leaving it as it is makes the wiki more confusing than
 it needs to be.

 --
 Josh


(Dropping systems@ and adding marketing@, as this is more of a design
discussion.)

Thank you Josh for your contributions to Sugar Labs!

I must admit that I would prefer to see a bit more of the Sugar style
elements maintained or added to the Sugar Labs wiki skin.

The proposed skin at http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ has lost many of the
style elements found in our product, Sugar, as expressed in The Sugar
Interface/Controlshttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Controls.
In particular, the bold strokes of the Sugar icons on the tabs, the dark
background of the Sugar toolbar with gray-scale icons, and colors
holding special
meaninghttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface#Imbuing_Color_with_Meaning
.

I like that the proposed skin includes the single-line logo (hoping also
that it can be placed so that it also works with the very common monobook
skin and others).

Among our sister sites, my favorites for header and navigation linkbars are
http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ and http://git.sugarlabs.org/ (primarily
because they both seem to use bold underline strokes on the event of mouse
pointer hover, and their dark backgrounds remind me of the Sugar toolbar).
 I'd prefer that the bright colors of links carry 'special meaning' by being
revealed on hover, indicating the appropriate time for user participation,
that is a click of a mouse button. The current header navigation links at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ and most of the current tab links have this
behavior, but need the bolder strokes and underscores of the translate and
git headers.  Having the  descender on the 'g' hang over the bottom of the
header area at the translate does add a bit of spice, even if it flirts with
the Marketing Team's Logo
guidelineshttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo
.

In the content areas, to keep a clean, uncluttered, and easy-to-read page
(especially because of descenders on the typeface), I prefer to have the
underscores appear on links only when they are activated by mouse hover.  In
the proposed skin, compare, for example, the greater ease of reading those
links on the sidebar versus the links in the table of contents box.

Thank you for considering the thoughts and preferences I've presented
above.

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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Meeting in Boston on Tuesday! - Hands on Sugar on a Stick! Turtles! Fun! Learning! BE THERE!!

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Caroline Meeks
carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote:
 Does anyone know how things get on the Sugar Labs Google Calendar? Are we
 still using that?

Some instructions are here,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Events/Instructions.
(Requires mail.sugarlabs.org account.)

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Re: [IAEP] I would be able to help test if we did snapshots of current status of f12 sugar on a da

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Dennis Daniels
dennisgdani...@gmail.comwrote:

 It would be really cool if you could do screencasts of your tests and
 post them publicly.

 Further to that end... if more devs and users would publish more on
 how they are developing for Sugar so that teachers and other
 enthusiasts can have some framework/training to begin their own good
 works.

 Dennis


Perhaps someone just needs to organize some sessions on a screen-casting
channel where developers, debuggers, or testers would allow the community to
look 'over their shoulders' as they did their stuff *en plein air,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Current_Events/Archive/2009-06-10#En_plein_air.
With a microphone, they could provide a running commentary, and the sessions
could be recorded, replayed, and edited.*

*Start with a single developer/debugger/tester connected to a single
producer with VNC and VOIP to practice the method.*

Much could be learned by watching the masters at work, especially at early
stages of study or when entering new specialties, like surgeons in the
operating theater.

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Re: [IAEP] Wiki wysiwyg toolbar wish

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Dennis Daniels
dennisgdani...@gmail.comwrote:

 Greetings,
 I have a few requests for the media wiki pages in terms of UI
 additions and plugins.

 The first one is my biggest wish...
*please enable the WYSIWYG tool bar for editing.
* enable plugin for video playback in wiki
* install plugin for creating FAQ layout easily

 Nice to have:

* collaborative graphical mind mapping tool of some kind
  o support for uploading Labyrinth code for live use on Wiki?

 Please. Can we have the WYSIWYG plugin on wiki.sugarlabs?


Some unfortunate technical details are here,
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor.

The FCKeditor extension,
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FCKeditor_(Official), is still in
experimental state.

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Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

[Frederick Grose]

See the page, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Guide/Wiki_Structure,
for how Projects, Teams, and Local Labs may distinguish themselves on the
Sugar Labs wiki.

 --Fred

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:45 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 There has been some confusion over the past several months about how
 SoaS fits into Sugar Labs.

 I have been getting the feeling that we are setting ourself up for
 confusion by not clearly abstracting SoaS from the Learning Platform.
 On the other hand, initiatives such as sugar on a stick are incredibly
 valuable to the over all mission of Sugar Labs.

 As such, I would like to propose that Sugar Labs create a separate
 category of initiatives, such as SoaS, called projects.  The idea is
 based on apachs' and eclipses' effective use of projects.

 The premise behind 'projects' is that initiatives such as SoaS are
 vital to the overall success of the ecosystem.  Yet, they are in
 several ways autonomous to the Learning Platform.

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Re: [IAEP] installing F11 on a USB stick/ What is Sugar on a Stick? Where should these USB's be located in the wiki?

[Frederick Grose]

See the second bullet item here,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Technical_Goals.

  --Fred


On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Thomas C Gilliard 
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:

 What is Sugar on a Stick?

 Is this the appropriate place for the USB's created  using the F11 net
 install?

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux

 Currently the instructions are located on this page.


 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux#Full_Fedora_11_Install_of_Sugar_and_XFCE_Desktops_to_USB

 I had a long discussion about this last night on IRC. One opinion was
 that sugar on a stick ONLY applied to a image on a stick created by a
 Soas-strawberry.iso These have a compressed fs and overlay.

 * I believe that all forms of Sugar-desktop on a USB should be
 considered Sugar on a Stick.
 *The USB.img files I am posting on http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/
 are USB's made with a LVN file structure by doing a Install from a F11
 net install CD directly to the USB.
 *The opensuse-edu images listed on the same page also make a file
 structure after being opened for the first time after being written to
 the USB with a dd command.
 *The VMware Appliances I am posting are also, in my opinion Sugar on a
 Stick
 *My USB's are made on a hp Pavillion Laptop (Vista) transferred to a
 Dell 520n running Ubuntu 9.04 for conversion to .img files and for
 duplication and uplinking to sunjammer.
 *The USB's run on the Vista Pavillion/EeePC1000HE (XP)/EeePC900
 -Wirelessly(Mandriva) so they are agnostic to OS. How do we categorize
 them?

 The question is: Do we allow all of these forms of Sugar-Desktop on a
 USB stick to be called Sugar-on-a stick ?

 If we do not then where do these alternate forms get listed on the wiki
 and what do we call them.?

 Thanks;

 Tom Gilliard
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Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?

[Frederick Grose]

We could put the translation links in the sidebar; though, since we don't
have a dropdown list control, it would mean that all pages would probably
have vertical scroll bars to cover the sidebar content.

Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, is an example with 41
languages.

   --Fred

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Kevin Cole dc.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Whenever I print something from the wiki, I get an expanded (sometimes over
 one page) listing of all the many wonderful translations of a page before
 getting to the actual content. Is there a way to tweak the CSS to hide that
 when media = print?

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Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?

[Frederick Grose]

I've set up Google Translations in the wiki sidebar for a community
evaluation, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki.

In addition to making all pages longer, the 'Using the Wiki' section of the
sidebar is pushed further down. ...Bernie might be able to move that, if the
community prefers.

One benefit now is that all pages have translation links.

So, to print a page without the Google Translations header, one would enter
edit mode for a page, and then remove the {{GoogleTrans-en}} template at the
top of the wiki text entry box. (An older version of the template may look
like this, {{ GoogleTrans-en | es =show | bg =show | zh-CN =show | zh-TW
=show | hr =show | cs =show | da =show | nl =show | fi =show | fr =show | de
=show | el =show | hi =show | it =show | ja =show | ko =show | no =show | pl
=show | pt =show | ro =show | ru =show | sv =show }}.

  --Fred


On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 We could put the translation links in the sidebar; though, since we don't
 have a dropdown list control, it would mean that all pages would probably
 have vertical scroll bars to cover the sidebar content.

 Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, is an example with 41
 languages.

--Fred

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Kevin Cole dc.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Whenever I print something from the wiki, I get an expanded (sometimes
 over one page) listing of all the many wonderful translations of a page
 before getting to the actual content. Is there a way to tweak the CSS to
 hide that when media = print?

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[IAEP] Fwd: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity?

[Frederick Grose]

Forwarding to the Sugar community lists...
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity)
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity)
-- Forwarded message --
From: Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu
Date: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Subject: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity?
To: grassro...@lists.laptop.org


Hi,
I've been working on modifications to the Map activity.  I will be switching
to a new, faster Google Maps version designed for mobile devices, and I'm
adding new features like distance, area, and collaboration.  I was wondering
if your XO group has tried the Map activity and had any input on its
redesign.

Thanks for your help,
Nick Doiron
ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ndoiron

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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] First stab at a questionnaire for deployments (was: First step towards an efficient feedback process)

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:34, Christoph
 Derndorferchristoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Christoph Derndorfer
  christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  ...
 
  Since I had some minutes to spare I took a first quick stab at what such
 a
  questionnaire for deployments both small and large could look like. This
 is
  definitely pre-Alpha quality but might be a good starting point when it
  comes to getting more information from deployments.
 
 http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG50R2wzakRZX0h6WjI4Y29RMkZacUE6MA
 ..


Linked on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/TODO



 It looks like an excellent start!

 It looks to be oriented both towards a deployer (that could be
 country-wide) and towards teachers. Maybe we should have two different
 forms as both profiles will have very different information to give?


Perhaps some of these survey questions would be suitable,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Survey_questions and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Education_Team/Survey_questions.

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Re: [IAEP] Lets Get Satisfaction (was: Community Influence)

[Frederick Grose]

http://idea.laptop.org/drupal5/ideatorrent is a resource that
OLPC's Volunteer Infrastructure Group have experimented with.

A sugarlabs.org variant may be an easy step.

It has the idea, solution, voting features, and possibly could be
configured to segregate questions, problems, praise, etc.

--Fred



On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.comwrote:

 Walter Bender wrote:
  It isn't obvious at first glance why this particular site appeals to
  you. Could you describe its features and the problems you think they
  address?

 It is the one I came across and a quick research (not very deep,
 admittedly) didn't result in many comparable alternatives - that's also
 why I asked for alternatives in the end.

 What I believe is: *we need to make it easy to submit feedback*

 The feedb...@sl.o address was a beginning, but I think we need to
 explore other possibilities, too. GetSatisfaction looks - to me - like a
 good way of offering our users an easy, well designed interface, where
 they can enter their requests  issues.

 I mentioned some of its features already below (like the various kinds
 of feedback, the possibility of making the current state on an issue
 easily clear enough,m...). However, I think if we promote such a
 solution well enough, it might help us to get feedback even from those
 people, who're probably not that experienced with open source projects
 or even feared of entering a ticket in trac (what the heck is a bug?,
 why do I need an account here? what's this all about?,...).

 --Sebastian

  thanks.
 
  -walter
 
  On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com
  wrote:
  Hi everybody,
 
  it's really good to see this discussion getting off the ground. While
  being at LinuxTag, we discussed with some folks how to improve the way
  of getting feedback from our users, without putting too much barriers in
  their way.
 
  So while looking around and at various issue tracking systems, I
  discovered GetSatisfaction. I had seen that before already, but wasn't
  sure of its current state. There you go: http://getsatisfaction.com/
 
  GetSatisfaction is also used by other open source projects like Songbird
  (which might also be a good place to an idea how such an instance looks
  like): http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird
 
  So as you can see, users gain various possibilities of interacting with
  the developers here. They can ask questions, report issues and so on.
  Others go ahead and comment and vote an entry up and down so that
  developers can see what's more and what's less important. Finally, a
  developer can also put a we're working on it or we're aware of this
  problem flag on an entry, to make the current state more obvious.
 
  In my opinion, this might be a good way of inviting more people to give
  us feedback (I'm not suggesting to abandon trac, I guess we should use
  that to track issues ourselves, too). For example, if we created such an
  instance and mentioned it in the next press release, I'm pretty sure it
  could work out well.
 
  Well, GetSatisfaction is a company. So they have various plans (also a
  free one, which looks like it would probably already be enough), while I
  guess we could also contact them directly.
 
  So. What do you think? Is this worth trying out? Any alternatives?
 
  I've already a personal account with them, but how do we proceed?
 
  Cheers,
  --Sebastian
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[IAEP] OLPC Learning Team news

[Frederick Grose]

Some updates on the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Educators page:

*The Learning Team is now located in Kigali, Rwanda to start the Center for
Laptops  Learning, in partnership with Kigali Institute of Science 
Technology (KIST)*
*You can follow the work of the learning team on the OLPC blog:blog.laptop.org,
or below:*

Training at schools in Rwanda with visiting OLPCorps
teamshttp://wiki.laptop.org/images/8/86/Overview_of_training_at_the_schools%2C_1st_blog_post.docx
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki template question: {{PAGENAMEE}}

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there a way to get this template to format better? It all comes out
 on one line.

 {{Special:PrefixIndex/{{PAGENAMEE}}/}}


It's a transclusion of the Special page,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:PrefixIndex, and there's no built-in
way to format it, unfortunately.

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Re: [IAEP] community discussion plan

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 22:56, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
  I have been looking at community building needs for the next 6 months
  to a year..  I am thinking about taking it pretty slow; there don't
  seems to be any major blockers to community development
 
  Phase I
  Focus on Mission, Vision, and Values.  This is a pretty high level
  discussion which builds on top of similar work we did last years.  The
  emphasis will be 'what we share in common.'
 
  Phase II
  How we get there?
   building capacity - building product
   innovation - implementation
   supply side - demand side
   education - technology
 
  The emphasis will be on what trade offs and compromises are required
  given our current and near term resources and how do we leverage our
  strengths while minimize our weaknesses.
 
  Phase III.
  Iterative process between:
   Personal Roadmaps
   Team Roadmaps
   Project Roadmaps
 
  The emphasis will be on setting personal, team, and project level
  goals to make Phase I happen while considering the constraints
  identified in phase II.
 
  I like to use the forming, storming, norming, performing group life
  cycle model.  It is interesting to consider that even though we have
  have many of the same people, our roles and relationships have
  evolved.  If we then add in all the great  new contributors Sugar Labs
  is a different group than it was last year at this time
 
  Seem reasonable?

 I think it makes sense, which are the first concrete steps?

 Regards,

 Tomeu

Please see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Roadmap and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_Labs/Roadmap.

There is a question,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_Labs/Roadmap#How_and_why_does_FOSS_development_work_best_for_Sugar_Labs.3Fwaiting
for you to answer, Tomeu :)
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[IAEP] Help needed by grants writer for Town of Lake Park, Florida, USA

[Frederick Grose]

Here is a help request received by h...@laptop.org and forwarded by Adam
Holt (Thank you, Adam).
It suggests some points for more clarity in our communications.  I've added
the questions to the FAQ for SoaS.  Please help answer the questions
appropriately at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ.

I'll link the SoaS FAQ more prominently on the SoaS page.

I'll respond the the help ticket in r...@laptop.org.  Assistance welcome.

--Fred

-- Forwarded message --
From: volunteer-comm...@laptop.org
Date: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Subject: [laptop.org #43435] I'd like to participate... [Sugar for 500-1000
kids in Lake Park, Florida/FL, USA?]
To:
Cc: fgr...@gmail.com


Fred,
Can you possibly respond?
--A!


On Mon Jul 06 14:38:41 2009, vmar...@lakeparkflorida.gov wrote:
 I'd like to participate, but it took so long just to figure out where to
 go - and I might not be in the right place now.  Your website is not
 very user friendly - when it says contact us I should be able to find
 a link or an email.



 I have probably 500-1000 children who could benefit from the Sugar Labs
 project (particularly Sugar Stick), but I can't find out

 (1) How much each stick costs;

 (2) What I have to get to make it work - I don't have a tremendous
 amount of time to float around your website;

 (3) Do you have a space where there is information in a concise, easy to
 digest format?

 (4) Can I try some of it out?

 (5) Is the platform another cost?

 (6) Is it learning games, homework help, search engines?

 (7) My son sent me this link - I am a grants writer who is able to put
 this into lots of hands, depending on the cost and the efficacy.  It
 looks really interesting, and I am a strong proponent of self directed,
 computer aided learning.



 Thanks!



 If I have not reached the appropriate individual, could you forward my
 message on?









 Virginia Martin

 Grants Writer

 Town of Lake Park

 535 Park Avenue

 Lake Park, Florida 33403

 Telephone:  561-840-0160

 Fax:561-881-3314

 Email:  vmar...@lakeparkflorida.gov

 Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not
 want your e-mail address released in response to a public records
 request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact
 this office directly by phone or in writing.





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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:

 ...

 I don't know that we should decide to push a name change on the market.



...



Even in the developed world, the Internet is not everywhere, e.g., most
 classrooms, and as much as it has been good for the service providers to
 pitch it as true, the cloud is not right solution to every problem.


When we speak of netbooks, we can highlight Sugar's intrinsic ability to
network and collaborate without the Internet; so, not Internet-book, but
network-book!

XO-1s do this by default, we should push this capability into any Wi-Fi
enabled device running Sugar.

  --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] Communicating project goals and Roadmap

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 2009/7/2 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com:
  I don't know Tomeu, what do you think?

 I sincerely don't know but I hope that someone will explain what they
 need from the development team to succeed.


The idea is that *all* of Sugar Labs needs to think deeply about how we
develop the next stage of Sugar and Sugar Labs.  What is most important to
refine and advance, and what important pieces need to be added.

This seems to be a followup to the call for *Champions* to advocate for the
features needed to better serve our communities.  Champions that can
integrate with the Design, Development, Activity, Education, Deployment,
Marketing, and other Teams.

For example, see this discussion thread on the 'netbook' as terminology,
http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05906.html,
and the suggestion to push ad-hoc wireless networking into a native feature
of Sugar.  This would give Sugar a large, advantageous multiplier effect for
creating more pervasive networking to take advantage of our core feature,
collaboration.

Powerful ideas please step forward...

   --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote:


 ...



As I said, I am a beginner at Sugar, so what I say now may need (a lot of?)
 adjustment.


We should assure everyone that we all are beginners at Sugar (as Alan did.)
 It's An Education Project, not a platform project. Sugar Labs very much
welcomes this discussion and mutual adjustment, see
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team.  Authentic conversations with
nuggets like those in this thread are food for reflection and inspire better
plans, better collaborations, better Sugar...

  --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:


 ...




 I'm still interested in other ideas.


 Something like this maybe...
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Re: [IAEP] Reflections on giving a Sugar Demo

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 Perhaps the main medium of SoaS distribution should be a SoaS LiceCD
 with an activity that would make very simple to flash a USB stick?

 That would allow us to control better the flashing process, where is
 very easy to get into trouble.

 And maybe that LiveCD could double as a Boot helper?


 +1  +1 +1 Pretty Please with Sugar on Top

 Should I put in a ticket?


See http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/907, linked to this post.

  --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 15, Issue 114

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fred,

 Your points are the same ones I had.  There is no animation in the
 icon, though.  Not sure what you're seeing.


Interesting..  The .svg file opened in Ubuntu9.04 and showed a box being
constructed from the base up.  I thought that was intentional, not an
artifact in the file. (It implied the building of the file drawer and
filling it with content--once I figured out what the object was.)  So
without the animation, it is a lot simpler.

Books on a shelf would be even simpler and might be rendered in the bolder
Sugar strokes.

 I'm going to have to go
 with this design unless someone comes up with something better,
 though.  I need a symbol that suggests what the thing is for.  My
 brain just doesn't work that way, and I'm not happy with any of my
 icons.

 Personally I liked the perspective and was pleased to discover that
 Inkscape supports drawing objects like that.  My first attempt at this
 object was a freehand Isometric drawing that looked like crap.  This
 one at least looks like what it's supposed to be.  Which would be OK
 if anyone younger than me could recognize it.


Perspective with an unshaded line drawing is tricky.  You might try raising
the point of view enough so that the eye level is more naturally above the
front, right, drawer edge.  The prominent perfectly vertical line is
overpowering the rest of the image (and may be a distortion from the rest of
the content).  Tipping that corner down will remove the perfect vertical
line, change the ratio of the two front draw edges, and should help in
recognition.

But I would prefer the books on a shelf as perhaps a more common object
token for your project.

Thanks for the correction, and best wishes!--Fred


  Or a carousel slide
 projector, or a scroll either.

 I agree about the letters.  I considered them more a decoration than
 anything else and I'll be leaving them in for the time being.

 Hopefully some of us on this list are right-brained types who can
 suggest something better.

 James Simmons


  Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:48:53 -0400
  From: Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [IAEP] Art criticism needed on Get IA Books icon
 (attached)
  To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
  Message-ID:
 f3383f810906261448u651fe070pa79f5f5b6e08d...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 
  Sorry to offer a negative review, but I struggled to understand the image
 at
  the small size and perspective.
  Perspective recognition can be difficult for anything but the simplest
 object.
  It took me a second look in another context to figure out what the final
  object was.
 
  The animation might be interesting the first few times, but may easily
  become a distraction.  Icons are best when they are nearly instantly
 recognized and
  display a token of what's to come, not too much information.
 
  The letters,  I A , conveyed that there was textual content, but the
  initials would not match the name in other languages, and be another
 burden
  to change.
 
  Thank you for you contributing and braving your art!   --Fred

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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 15, Issue 114

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:


  ...

 ...just unhappy with *what*
 I'm drawing.  I'm really looking for a better symbol.  Maybe a book
 with speed lines, like it's being thrown.


How about a vertical stack of books like when you're ready to check out at
the library, or a packed book bag, or buckled book pack?   --Fred
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[IAEP] [Invitation] Activity Team Meeting @ Fri Jun 26 1pm – 2pm (i...@lists.suga rlabs.org)

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[IAEP] What can I do in an hour? (was: An interesting project I stumbled across)

[Frederick Grose]

To all:

If you have a free hour you want to contribute, please find a wiki page (
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/) that interests you--and could be improved with
something you know or could explain more clearly.

It's simple to click the edit tab button, and enter some new text or links,
or whatever you want.  Don't worry about making a mistake with the
formating, others will come along to fix things up.

If you don't want to edit the page directly, each page has a matching
'discussion' page, which you can reach by clicking the 'discussion' tab
button at the top.  These pages are meant to collect reader comments and
questions relevant to the parent page.  See for example,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki.

Remember to click the 'Watch' tab button so you will be notified of changes
to the page.  When you register your email with you account name, you can
also click the 'prefs' (preferences) link at the top right of any page, and
then, on the 'Watchlist' tab page, you can set a preference to add any page
you edit to your personal watchlist.

If you want to enter whole new content pages, there are some guidelines at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Guide/Page_Creation.  There are
instructions there for experimenting with new pages in you personal
'User_talk:' section of the wiki.

By this means, you can share and collaborate on whole projects in the Sugar
Labs fields of interest, like Ed Cherlin's
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Creating_textbooks

Some of our wiki pages are meant to collect new ideas:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Request_New_Features
or questions:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_help#Help_Requests:
or problems:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Submit_Bugs/Problems

Please take a hour to explore the wiki, learn what's there, and then
consider what's missing.
At your next opportunity, enter that missing piece!

It's your collective intelligence and contributions that make wikis work
well.

Thank you,  --Fred


On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.comwrote:

 Caroline,

 What can a volunteer do is a good general question. I have been
 lurking on this list for a while, and I am still looking for some
 SHORT tasks (1 hour or so) someone completely new could do. The
 problem with most tasks is hours of preparation they seem to require
 before they even start making sense. Maybe I missed some noob tasks,
 too, because I could not tell them among others.


 Cheers,
 MariaD

 Make math your own, to make your own math.

 http://www.naturalmath.com social math site
 http://groups.google.com/group/naturalmath future math culture email group
 http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations

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Re: [IAEP] What can I do in an hour? (was: An interesting project I stumbled across)

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 To all:

 If you have a free hour you want to contribute,

 ...



 It's your collective intelligence and contributions that make wikis work
 well.


Those with other ideas for a 'Sugar Hour' are welcome to add to this page,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/What_could_I_do_in_an_hour%3F

It now links off of http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Getting_Involved
.

   --Fred
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[IAEP] United we Serve

[Frederick Grose]

Some in the USA may be interested in this http://www.serve.gov/.

(The favicon has a certain similarity.)

 --Fred
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[IAEP] [Invitation] LinuxTag 2009 @ Tue Ju n 23 – Sun Jun 28, 2009 (i...@lists.sug arlabs.org)

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Re: [IAEP] Welcome Sugar local labs

[Frederick Grose]

The Rochester program is using
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Summer_Program and its subpages as a web
base for now.
   --Fred

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 2:12 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 the past couple of weeks has resulted in so great results in Sugar Local
 Labs.

...



Rochester Institute of Technology has been making steady progress.
 Stephen Jacobs, Fred Grose, and Karlie are working to pull together
 the resources of RIT, Hfoss.org, and Sugar Labs to create an official
 university program.  Five interns from Stephen's open source class
 last semester are on board for the summer.
 ...


 david

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[IAEP] Fwd: An interesting project I stumbled across

[Frederick Grose]

Forwarding to the community...

-- Forwarded message --
From: William Schaub
Date: Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Subject: An interesting project I stumbled across
To: Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com


This looks like something that is right up the alley of the OLPC groups and
sugar labs etc.

http://www.wizzydigital.org/index.html

using UUCP and memory sticks and couriers they are able to connect schools
to the internet in areas where there is ZERO connectivity.
...

However this whizzy digital courrier could be VERY successfully used on a
classroom server or a specially outfitted XO laptop with some extra storage
via an added USB storage device.
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[IAEP] [Updated Invitation] Collaboration Te sting Session @ Wed Jun 10 3pm – 5pm (iaep @lists.sugarlabs.org)

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Caroline Meeks
carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote:

 Let me echo Caryl's question. Do we have a page with tasks for new
 volunteers?


http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO has been restored and is
ready to be updated, perhaps restructured to cover this need.

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Re: [IAEP] OLPC Volunteer Infrastructure Group Meeting: [Today]

[Frederick Grose]

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Volunteer_Infrastructure_Group#Meeting_Minutes_and_Logsis
the location.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 Dogi,

 Can you post a link to the logs?

 david

 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Stefan Unterhauser d...@laptop.org
 wrote:
  The Volunteer Infrastructure Group (/gang) Meeting is today (June 2th)
  at 4pm (EST)
 
  The Volunteer Infrastructure Group is a team of Volunteer Sysadmins
  who help maintain services and systems around OLPC and the
  OLPC/SugarLabs community.  The weekly VIG meeting is an excellent
  chance to get involved, or to be aware of upcoming projects.
 
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Volunteer_Infrastructure_Group
  http://vig.laptop.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dogi
  http://idea.laptop.org/ideatorrent/ideatorrent/vig/
 
 http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.oftc.netchannel=%23olpc-adminsettings=12a698505c860f99a6ad1051c57975f9noServerTab=falsenoServerNotices=truenoServerMotd=truenick=Guest
 
  Agenda:
  * backup: new VM for streaming to a robot tape solution
  * pinguin: new www
  * meeting: new structure and meeting.sugarlabs.org
  * vig and wiki (testwiki): migration plan
  * idea: help promote this idea function
  * rt: migration plan
  * maps: there new datas on deployments
  * bigsister: new VM on w91
 
 
   Meeting Details:
   Date:   June 2th, 2009
   Time:   16:00 EST
   Location: irc.oftc.net  #olpc-admin
   or click on -
 
 http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.oftc.netchannel=%23olpc-adminsettings=12a698505c860f99a6ad1051c57975f9noServerTab=falsenoServerNotices=truenoServerMotd=truenick=Guest
 
 
   ciao
   dogi
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[IAEP] Sugar Labs meet H-FOSS

[Frederick Grose]

Credit Greg Dekoenigsberg for introducing some of us to Ralph Morelli, Heidi
Ellis, and Trishan de Lanerolle, who have established the Humanitarian FOSS
Project, http://www.hfoss.org/, growing out of Trinity College, Wesleyan
University, and Connecticut College in the USA.
David Farning suggested that we hold a conference call to share experiences
about summer institutes, such as their
http://www.hfoss.org/index.php?page=hfoss-summer-institute, and our
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Summer_Program.

Then, Kevin Cole posted a referral,
http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg04175.html, to Paul
Flint's Barre Open Systems Institute, http://www.bosivt.org/, in Barre,
Vermont USA.

Karlie Robinson and I have been supporting Stephen Jacobs' Honors Seminar at
the Rochester Institute of Technology,
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/RIT_honors_seminar,_developing_for_the_OLPC_XO,
the Math4 Project, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team, and Co-ops in the
Rochester Sugar Summer Program.

So today, we (David, Ralph, Heidi, Trishan, Stephen, Karlie, Paul,  Fred)
joined in a conference call to introduce ourselves and learn more about the
project and programs.  (A collection of web links are available from our
conference at
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.minutes.20090603_1310.html, from
a short irc log,
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090603_1310.html.)

Ralph shared some history of the H-FOSS project, pretty much as reported on
their home page, and Heidi pointed us to her SoftHum wiki,
http://edudev.hfoss.org/index.php/Main_Page.

Paul described his proposal for a small workshop in Barre,
http://docbox.flint.com:8081/maple, (perhaps the weekend of 17-21 July 2009)
to test install Sugar on a Stick on several old computers in schoolroom so
they can support a team programming room for FOSS projects in the Barre
Institute.  Paul reports that Jeff Elkner with
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs_DC will be attending.

In Rochester, we have a nascent Sugar Institute,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Summer_Program/Ideas, with 3 full-time
Co-ops and other members of the
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Rochester,_NY grassroots
special interest group, and we are open to more participants and guests
willing to help build the program.

This posting is to intended to expose the Sugar Labs community to our
projects, and to invite a continuing discussion of how we all can contribute
to building the Sugar and FOSS ecosystems.

Thank you for reading, and we hope you are inspired to join in some way.
 --Fred
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

[Frederick Grose]

 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to 12
  feels more natural to me)

I like the clock metaphor, with the boot up process rising like the sun,
building upon itself, and then closing the ring to present a complete
system.

(I guess some of us start our day at noon, or only get started at midnight.
And my analog stopwatch starts at the top.)

In any case,

Sugar, being an open system, can and will distinguish itself by its ability
to support unlimited adaptation, of itself and by extension, its Learners.

Every element of the system is a learning opportunity.  Especially one that
can't be avoided.  The start-up sequence in Sugar will become a unique,
community and personal introduction spot (like home pages and desktops).

For Sugar, the new Hello World tutorial could be its boot Activities for
Learners:  Each development tool (Pippy, Turtle Art, Etoys, others, even
Forth) should provide an Activity to build the start-up sequence.  Learners
could play with the tools to build an endless variety of start-up spots,
modify and preview from a library of saved sequences, learn all sorts of
things about the system, the different tools, and of course, designate one
sequence to display on the next boot.

The work space is both sufficiently small and necessarily limited, so that
robustness could be provided, while at the same time, the content of the
sequences is limited only by the imagination.  Learners will be able to take
pride in a working sequence based on their modifications!

Schools and classes of Learners could use prepared sequences to provide
short reminders of lessons or announcements (perhaps loaded before shutdown
at the end of the day or class).

I imagine that simple cartoons with embedded, single point or short point
lessons, messages, and humor would become popular.  Brief jingles would
develop a currency like ring tones.  And so on, *ad infinitum*!

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[IAEP] Fwd: Testing Soas

[Frederick Grose]

Hi Tom,
Your work on the VMware page,  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VMware, has been
helpful.  Others may want to collaborate with you there.

Please also look at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad and its subpages.
 You could help in verifying and sorting out problems reported in our bug
tracking system.

Thanks for your contributions!   --Fred


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Subject: [IAEP] Testing Soas


From: *Thomas C Gilliard* satel...@bendbroadband.com
Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:26 PM
To: feedb...@sugarlabs.org


I have been trying to help test with the resources and skills that I have.

I am using VMWorkstation 6.5.2 for testing snapshots
burning CD's and attempting Boots with them
I have available to my use:

3 Dell Computers:
520n = Ubuntu 9.04
530n = Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (VMworkstation)
Dimension 2350 XPPro SP2  (VMworkstation)
hp e-pc 1200 (with USB 1.0 only) Fedora 11 (leonidas) from upgraded
Preview net  install
Netbook:
EePC900 first linux edition
HP Laptop: Multimedia x1000 =Vista
Last version of Apple Powerbook G4

I have been helping nubae testing his sugarSUSE builds
I have been working on an alternate boot able
1 or 2 USB stick VMPlayer solution to archive
Persistent SUGAR entities.
(VMWARE on wiki)

I am retired and want to help;
Please point me in other ways that I can help.

Tom Gilliard
satellit
Bend, OR
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From: *Walter Bender* walter.ben...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:37 PM
To: Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com
Cc: feedb...@sugarlabs.org


This is all very valuable help. Thank you.
Can you tell me a bit more about your background and interests? There
are many different ways to get involved--getting deeper into testing
being one obvious one. But outreach, curriculum development,
documentation, support, etc. are all in need of more hands as well.

(I presume you've visited the
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Getting_Involved page in the
wiki?)
Thanks for all the help to date. Look forward to hearing from you.

regards.

-walter

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Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org
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