Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Uruguayan XOs Revival

[Samuel Greenfeld]

OLPC has released firmware to unlock all XOs locked via standard means:
https://wiki.laptop.org/go/Persistent_developer_key_firmware

Definitely make sure you have permission first. You may have to ignore
download warnings about the https:// page having http:// download links in
Chrome/etc..

It is possible that the OS build on the laptop could be too old to boot
with the device tree in newer firmware.  But ideally these should work.



On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 1:19 PM Ignacio Rodríguez 
wrote:

> I would suggest reaching out to someone at Ceibal.
> Fiorella Haim might be a great contact point: fh...@ceibal.edu.uy
> I reached out to her a year ago and she mentioned that there are no more
> XO's that are in good condition to be used.
> I already gave all the ones I had to my friends, even made some tiktoks
> videos that went viral (heh).
>
> HMU if you want to do more stuff with the XO's beside unlocking them.
> If it's just unlocking them by the "Lista negra" as Ceibal calls them,
> just create a zip file with no content on the USB Drive.
>
> Greetings
>
> El vie, 30 jun 2023 a la(s) 13:59, Walter Bender (walter.ben...@gmail.com)
> escribió:
>
>> Maybe someone at OLPC can get you the codes. But Ceibal should also have
>> them. I cannot imagine that they would be unwilling to share them at this
>> time.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> walter
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 12:35 PM Luis Michelena 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's anybody there?
>>> Cheers from Uruguay, long time no see, How are you all? Some folks
>>> from Uruguay Butiá/CeibalJam and I, are trying to unlock XOs from
>>> Ceibal(to revisit Butiá, and ,maybe, it's possible uses in
>>> accesibility)
>>> Do some of you could give us some advice about how unlock them?
>>> It would be preferable if it could be posible to maintain the fs
>>> contents.
>>> It's there still a chance to get developer keys for the XOs?
>>> Because Ceibal decided to end support, declare them obsolete, and
>>> begin to recycle !! but also turn the switch off for the rest of
>>> the kicking ones...
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance,
>>> Luis Michelena
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Samuel Greenfeld]

But I intentionally gave the very simple examples...

While RHEL/CentOS (and many other open source/commercial hybrid projects)
rebrand their free versions because a complete replacement causes obvious
confusion, these projects themselves include many products with trademarked
names.

Should Sugar refuse to include a Python(tm) editor?  Or change programming
languages because we proudly say Sugar is written in Python(tm)?
https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/

Do we then go to JavaScript(tm) which is a trademark of Oracle(R)?

Or be confused with any number of products (shoes, hand lotion, etc.) which
also have trademarks for the "Python" name?

Trademarks come into play primarily when there is confusion.  And OLPC
allegedly muddied the waters early on by allowing their name and logos to
be used by OLPC France, OLPC SF, etc.

It's not clear at this point if there is confusion between Sugar Labs and
OLPC over the logo, except as part of a historical reference which both
companies have.

If there was clear proof that OLPC was using the XO logo to promote Endless
then there might be something.  If OLPC explicitly asked Sugar to change
the icon, then that would be something to be considered.

OLPC's website, while updated, still promotes Sugar on XO-1.75's and the
"XO Laptop Touch" (by specs, likely a XO-4).

Given we still know people at OLPC, and OLPC people who went to Endless, I
would have expected to hear something by now if they formally wanted to
break ties with Sugar.





On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>
wrote:

>
>
> On 16/09/17 18:19, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
>
>
> By this measure, are we implying that Fedora & CentOS cannot be
> distributed because they contain trademarks owned by Red Hat, and Ubuntu
> cannot be distributed because it contains the name and logos owned by
> Canonical?
>
>
> Your questions are spot on. Perhaps your examples will serve to clarify
> the issue:
>
> The point of CentOS is exactly to remove trademarks from Red Hat Linux in
> order to be able to distribute it legally.
>
> Quoting from Wikipedia CentOS article.
>
> *`CentOS developers use Red Hat's source code to create a final product
> very similar to RHEL. Red Hat's **branding and logos are changed**
> because Red Hat does not allow them to be redistributed.`*
>
> And I also know that, while you can distribute Ubuntu, you cannot make a
> derivative distribution of it and call it anything-like-buntu, or you will
> have problems with Canonical Inc.
>
> Quoting directly from https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/
> intellectual-property-policy:
>
> *`Any redistribution of modified versions of Ubuntu must be approved,
> certified or provided by Canonical if you are going to associate it with
> the Trademarks. Otherwise you must** remove and replace the Trademarks**
> and will need to recompile the source code to create your own binaries.`*
>
> As you can see, being this topic such a mess in general, Sugar Labs would
> serve its community well by staying clear of any Trademarks, as a general
> policy.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I agree with Sameer; if we want to debate this, this really needs a
lawyer's opinion.  Either that or just asking OLPC Inc. what they consider
acceptable.

Sugar has been using the XO logo for approximately 11 years now.  My
non-lawyer opinion is that if someone was to complain, they would be barred
by estoppel for having known about it, but failing to make a claim in a
timely manner.

By this measure, are we implying that Fedora & CentOS cannot be distributed
because they contain trademarks owned by Red Hat, and Ubuntu cannot be
distributed because it contains the name and logos owned by Canonical?


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Sebastian Silva 
wrote:

>
> On 15/09/17 09:12, Walter Bender wrote:
>
> (A2) Sugar Artwork, including the xo-computer icon, is currently licensed
> under the GPL and we would like our downstream users to be able to use all
> of our artwork under the terms of that license. As far as the use of any
> trademark image outside of the context of Sugar, we have no opinion.
>
>
> There is a (hopefully not intentional?) flaw in this answer. The board was
> in a rush to pass the motion, but it should be more careful when
> communicating with our legal counsel.
>
> SLOBs, please clarify:
>
> "(...) we would like our downstream users to be able to use all of our
> artwork under the terms of that license (GPL)"
>
> Sugar Labs does not distribute Sugar to end users. Instead it distributes
> Sugar to distributors (Debian, Fedora) who have their own downstream
> projects (OLPC, Trisquel, Ubuntu). In turn these distributions are often
> bundled with hardware vendors products or local service provider's
> services: *These last groups are the most threatened by a potential
> Trademark dispute.*
>
> Does restricting the answer to "users" mean Sugar Labs Oversight Board
> does not care about these actor's freedoms?
>
> Please also clarify:
>
> "As far as the use of any trademark image outside of the context of
> Sugar, we have no opinion. "
>
> This is contradictory with the previous statement. The terms of the GPL
> provide for licensees to be able to use the source for *any purpose.* A
> Trademarked logo cannot be used for any purpose. This is basically the
> legal reason to keep any Trademark out of the Sugar User Interface.
>
> Regards and happy Software Freedom Day to all,
>
> Sebastian
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Re: [IAEP] Motion to Change The Sugar Labs Rules of Governance

[Samuel Greenfeld]

If the election cycle is starting tomorrow, then I agree there's no real
need for a recall vote, provided the person(s) in question are up for
re-election this year {positions are staggered}.

Personally I don't know what's going on here.

If someone truly believes a recall vote is in order, then they should be
trying to gathering members to propose the recall vote unless that goal is
essentially unattainable.  Admittedly, how this is supposed to be done is
vague.  At first glance recalls may fall under "Sugar Labs Referenda",
needing 10% of the membership to agree before the Membership and Elections
Committee formally takes it in.

That said I'd like to see Membership & Board quorums {and majority votes
within} formally defined -- while board meetings mention them in chat logs
and base yes/no decisions on a majority within, I don't think Sugar Labs'
Rules of Governance ever uses the word.





On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:37 PM, James Cameron  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 02:07:04AM +, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> > [...] Motion to be voted on by the SLOB members:
> >
> > These lines in the Sugar Labs Rules of Governance shall be changed
> > wherever they occur from:
> >
> > "The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position
> > at any time by a majority vote of the Community Members" to
> >
> > "The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position
> > at any time by a majority vote of the Sugar Labs Oversight Board."
>
> Why should members give up this right?
>
> Instead, you might seek to add the right to the board.
>
> Your next step is to achieve a seconding of the motion, and organise a
> formal vote of the membership.  May I suggest the Membership and
> Elections Committee.
>
> > Recently the SLOB has become extremely dysfunctional. [...]
>
> I'm not so sure.  What I see is lack of time, very brief responses,
> failure of communication, unshared expectations, ... which in time
> will result in more robust and public debate of the issues.  Also,
> some of the board are being quite busy and enthusiastic, which is a
> wonderful thing to see.
>
> Members of Sugar Labs elected the oversight board members, and another
> election is coming up; the timetable is published.  Election
> would be the perfect time for members to choose who to remove; by
> electing the people it wants.
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance/Elections_2017
>
> @Samuel, do you think this timetable adequate?  ;-)
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Re: [IAEP] Motion to Change The Sugar Labs Rules of Governance

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I disagree with this.  While I have been on boards with an annoying member
or two, letting a few board members vote the others off leads to coups and
other odd politics.  I have never personally seen such language in
governing documents before.

That said, what is considered a quorum of the Community Members for a
recall vote (the majority of those present having to vote in favor of it)?


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> Dear Fellow Sugar Labs Members
>
> Recently the SLOB has become extremely dysfunctional. When this happens to
> this degree, it may be time to look for a remedy. Sometimes this will best
> be accomplished by a change in personnel. Here are what some websites have
> to say about this issue:
>
>
>
>- “Occasionally, a board member needs to be removed from the board. In
>some cases, a conflict of interest or unethical behavior may be grounds to
>remove an individual from the board. In other cases, the behavior of a
>board member may become so obstructive that the board is prevented from
>functioning effectively.”
>
> *http://www.blueavocado.org/content/four-ways-remove-board-member
> *
>
>
>
>- “Opposing viewpoints are to be expected, but they should never cross
>the line into becoming obstructive to the organization’s mission. When
>board members breach into destructive or demoralizing behavior, the rest of
>the board needs to make a decision about removing one board member for the
>good of the whole.”
>
> *http://www.boardeffect.com/blog/how-to-remove-a-board-member/
> *
>
>
>
>- “Your operating bylaws should have a procedure outlined on how to
>remove a board member. Make sure the steps are in there now, and before you
>run into any problems down the road. The board should keep documentation on
>why the board member is being removed and the steps they take.”
>
>
> *http://nonprofithub.org/board-of-directors/how-to-remove-a-nonprofit-board-member/
> 
> *
>
> The Sugar Labs Rules of Governance provide for removal by a majority vote
> of the Community Members. However this is a very cumbersome business. Most
> organizations provide for a majority vote of the *board members*. Our
> current Rules of Governance say:
>
> “The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at
> any time by a majority vote of the Community Members.”
>
> * https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance
> *
>
> To simplify this process, I  therefore wish to propose *the following
> change to the Sugar Labs Rules of Governance:*
>
> Motion to be voted on by the SLOB members:
>
> These lines in the Sugar Labs Rules of Governance shall be changed
> wherever they occur
> from:
>
> "The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at
> any time by a majority vote of the Community Members"  to
>
> "The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at
> any time by a majority vote of the Sugar Labs Oversight Board."
>
> You folks may wish to tweak the language a bit, but I have tried to keep
> it as simple as possible.
>
> Abrazos,
>
> Caryl Bigenho
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samuel Greenfeld]

My experience with the SFC is that while they like to do license
enforcement, they are not platform purists.  If you look at the bottom of
sfconservancy.org they have their own social media accounts.


The ".fla" file at least in #4758 actually may be the source code in binary
format.  I do not have access to a copy of Shockwave to verify that.
But without knowing the license for the flash content (unless Samson knows
the source; the README is for a different .fla, and I cannot find it) it is
unclear if the bundle as a whole can be GPL v3 licensed.

I do not recall having an active ASLO account to check the other activity
in question.


On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Sebastian Silva 
wrote:

>
>
> On 13/06/17 12:50, Samson Goddy wrote:
>
> Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit
> with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote
> these entities while representing Sugar Labs.
>
> Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did you
> think i might breach the agreement?
>
>
> While your promoting these entities does not breach the wording of the
> agreement, I believe it goes against the spirit of it. Please review
> information on GNU.org such as the following articles, to understand why
> such technologies are distributed in bad faith.
>
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computing.html
> https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
>
> On the other hand, these Sugar Activities (by you) don't have proper
> sources available. This actually is a breach of the agreement, and they
> should have been removed:
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4758
>
> In accordance to the license file on those .xo bundles, I request that you
> share the source for the .swf Flash components embedded if you wrote them,
> otherwise please make sure they are removed from ASLO.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Surface Pro (Microsoft Partnership)

[Samuel Greenfeld]

The short answer is yes; there are any number of ways (HTML app,
ActivePython .NET port, WSL, GTK for Windows, etc.) to port Sugar to
Windows.

Each has its own strengths and weaknesses.

The big question is if any of them are worth it.


On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Yatin Maan <yatinma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey,
> I understand that this is an April fool's joke but with introduction on
> "Windows subsystem for Linux (WSL)"[1] I was wondering whether we might be
> able to directly run sugar on Windows 10.
>
> Someone here [2] even managed to get Unity and Xfce on WSL so I think it
> might actually be possible to run Sugar.
>
> [1] - https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2016/07/08/bash-on-
> ubuntu-on-windows-10-anniversary-update/
>
> [2] - https://github.com/microsoft/bashonwindows/issues/637
>
> Regards,
> Yatin
>
> On Sun 2 Apr, 2017, 3:10 AM Samuel Greenfeld, <sam...@greenfeld.org>
> wrote:
>
>> No; with all the thoughts of porting XOs to Fedora.next and having to
>> look into ActivePython and such, I never got a chance to look into a proper
>> Sugar .NET conversion.
>>
>> Besides with Sugarizer, we do not need a third language to maintain all
>> the activities in.
>>
>> (It's amazing what you can do in Visual Studio within five minutes.)
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Look nice, that is awesome. Did you finish it?
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2017 10:19 PM, "Samuel Greenfeld" <sam...@greenfeld.org> wrote:
>>
>> Looking around, I found the following code online:
>>
>> http://www.greenfeld.org/1April2017/SugarNET.png
>>
>> It doesn't seem to do much more than my previous port did [*], but it at
>> least compiles.
>>
>> [*] http://www.greenfeld.org/1April2011/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Lolz i guess, i am the king of pranks. Happy new month guys, hope you are
>> enjoying your day.
>>
>> Samson
>>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2017 5:20 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I  think Samson was looking at the calendar  (April 1) when he posted
>> this.
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2017 7:46 AM, "Love Mehta" <lovemehta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Finally all the hard work is paying off. Soon, the time will come, when
>> guys from Apple will be contacting Walter Sir. Let's keep up the good work.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Love
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2017 8:12 PM, "Utkarsh Tiwari" <iamutkarshtiw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Samson,
>>
>> Great news! This venture will definitely help us gain more popularity and
>> reach more Windows users
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Utkarsh Tiwari
>>
>> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 at 20:08 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> According to [1], Microsoft wants to make a deal with Sugar Labs to
>> include Sugar on their Surface devices as an educational platform for
>> windows users. They contacted Walter, so he asked me to forward it to the
>> community.
>>
>> [1]https://goo.gl/4Ka694
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Surface Pro (Microsoft Partnership)

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Looking around, I found the following code online:

http://www.greenfeld.org/1April2017/SugarNET.png

It doesn't seem to do much more than my previous port did [*], but it at
least compiles.

[*] http://www.greenfeld.org/1April2011/


On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Lolz i guess, i am the king of pranks. Happy new month guys, hope you are
> enjoying your day.
>
> Samson
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2017 5:20 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
> I  think Samson was looking at the calendar  (April 1) when he posted this.
>
> On Apr 1, 2017 7:46 AM, "Love Mehta"  wrote:
>
> Finally all the hard work is paying off. Soon, the time will come, when
> guys from Apple will be contacting Walter Sir. Let's keep up the good work.
>
> Greetings,
> Love
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2017 8:12 PM, "Utkarsh Tiwari" 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Samson,
>
> Great news! This venture will definitely help us gain more popularity and
> reach more Windows users
>
> Cheers,
> Utkarsh Tiwari
>
> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 at 20:08 Samson Goddy  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> According to [1], Microsoft wants to make a deal with Sugar Labs to
>> include Sugar on their Surface devices as an educational platform for
>> windows users. They contacted Walter, so he asked me to forward it to the
>> community.
>>
>> [1]https://goo.gl/4Ka694
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Re: [IAEP] ASLO

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I don't know where this (as well as many of Sugar's APIs) are documented.

It would be best to look at the original PHP code as well as the clients'
intent:

   -
   
http://git.sugarlabs.org/slo-activities/mainline/blobs/master/site/app/webroot/services/update-aslo.php
   -
   
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-os-builder/tree/modules/sugarlabs_activities/kspost.60.nochroot.aslo.sh
   -
   
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/src/jarabe/model/update/aslo.py

There are ways to build XO builds and update Sugar activities without ASLO
(although no automated one for apps installed to a user's home directory).
A bigger decision might be to eliminate getting Activities through this API.


On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

>
> On 14 July 2016 at 13:13, Samuel Greenfeld <sam...@greenfeld.org> wrote:
>
>> The build utilities for XO laptops hook into ASLO to download
>> applications.
>>
> Cool!
>
>> Some sort of backward compatible API should be made for that.
>>
> Sure. Where is the API documented?
>
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Re: [IAEP] ASLO

[Samuel Greenfeld]

ASLO isn't just a site for manual downloads.

The build utilities for XO laptops hook into ASLO to download applications.

Some sort of backward compatible API should be made for that.
On Jul 14, 2016 12:43 PM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:

>
> On Jul 14, 2016 12:26 PM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:
> >
> > The problem is ASLO, our primary interface and support for our user
> community.
> >
> > If we are going the github route, we need to set up a means for updated
> versions of Activities to be made into bundles and installed on the ASLO
> repository.
>
> It seems to me that the ALSO repository is dangerous unmaintained code and
> has been on its last legs for a while and those legs just broke. We can put
> them in a cast, but they are not going to heal.
>
> We need a plan to move off this php5 codebase.
>
> I am proposing a simple static site that hosts xo bundles, that is
> functionally equivalent to the php5 codebase.
>
> > Presumably documentation (but no code) would be required to document a
> procedure to submit or update activities.
>
> Right.
>
> > In the case of ASLO, the code base is PhP. At one time, it was proposed
> to implement in Python using Django - following the lead of Mozilla. This
> apparently didn't happen. Jekyll is clearly a much better framework, it's
> website promises that installing Jekyll is sufficient to create a website.
> :)
>
> Is mozilla addons still a libre codebase?
>
> > The 'crumbling to dust' applies to the code not Python. Any software
> needs support. Most of the original developers of the Sugar activities have
> moved on to greener pastures. We have activities that failed because they
> incorporated object code which was not recompiled for ARM. We have
> activities that failed because they were build with hulahop. We have
> activities that failed because they imported Abiword. I have not seen a
> single example of a Sugar activity that had to be updated because of Python
> 2.7.
>
> Right :)
>
> Python 2.7 packages themselves will be dropped and all python 2 code needs
> porting to 3 well in advance of that.
>
> Eventually all i386 packages will be dropped too.
>
> We need to plan for these eventualities :)
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [OLPC-SF] Fwd: Please Help Support OLPC

[Samuel Greenfeld]

The Knight Foundation also sponsored the XO laptop deployments in Miami FL
and Charlotte NC a few years ago.

There are some videos of them published online.
FWIW The Knight Foundation is a supporter of Public Radio in the US.

Caryl



Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Samuel Greenfeld <sam...@greenfeld.org> wrote:

Not that unusual; I've seen a few fundraising emails like this from time to
time.

More interesting (at least having worked for them) is that they moved from
a portion of the 11th floor of a building in Miami to a single room on the
3rd to a new building entirely.

Doubly interesting is that the building they moved into happens to be the
same as the Knight Foundation
http://www.knightfoundation.org/about/contact/

I do not know if there is a correlation.


On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

> Interesting :)
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Aaron D Borden <adbor...@live.com>
> Date: 9 July 2016 at 04:04
> Subject: [OLPC-SF] Fwd: Please Help Support OLPC
> To: olpc...@lists.laptop.org
>
>
> Some activity from OLPC. They're running a fundraiser!
>
> http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b4e697fcc915b7fe33b6f6273=61e9cdfc06
>
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > Subject:Please Help Support OLPC
> > Date:   Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:24:54 +
> > From:   One Laptop per Child, Inc. <i...@laptop.org>
> > Reply-To:   One Laptop per Child, Inc. <i...@laptop.org>
> >
> >
> >
> > Please Help Support OLPC
> >
> > View this email in your browser
> > <
> http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b4e697fcc915b7fe33b6f6273=61e9cdfc06
> >
> >
> >
> > *Dear Friend of OLPC,*
> >
> > On behalf of One Laptop per Child, and the millions of children who need
> > your support, we invite you to join us as we work to fulfill our mission
> > of providing each child in the world with a rugged, low-cost computer
> > and related innovative educational program.
> >
> > *OLPC*, a 501(c)3 non-profit organization founded in 2005, continues to
> > work to fulfill its mission of providing a quality education to all
> > children. *OLPC* has joined forces with the Zamora Teran Foundation to
> > provide comprehensive support services to *OLPC* programs around the
> > world to ensure the success of each program and each child. The
> > *OLPC* program enhances a child's desire to learn, develop critical
> > thinking skills and fosters a love of lifelong learning. Through our
> > program, children become connected to each other, to the world and to a
> > brighter future.
> >
> > Today, we need your support in order to continue to bring the *OLPC
> > *educational program to children and communities around the world.
> > *OLPC* relies on the support of generous donors to continue its
> > important work. That is why, we invite you to support our work and
> > become a sponsor of the *OLPC *program. We have several sponsorship
> > levels available:
> > *Friend:*
> >
> > *$1.00 - $499.00*
> >
> > *Supporter:*
> >
> > *$500.00 - $4,999.00*
> >
> > *Bronze Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$5,000.00 – $24,999.00*
> >
> > *Silver Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$25,000.00 – $49,000.00*
> >
> > *Gold Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$50,000.00 – $99,999.00*
> >
> > *Platinum Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$100,000.00 – $499,999.00*
> >
> > *Diamond Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$500,000.00 +*
> >
> >
> > Your tax deductible donation allows us to continue to provide each child
> > with a brighter future.
> >
> > *Visit our website:* www.laptop.org
> > *Donate:* http://one.laptop.org/content/donate-online
> >
> > *Follow us on Facebook:* https://www.facebook.com/one.laptop.per.child/
> >
> >
> > /Copyright © 2016 OLPC, Inc., All rights reserved./
> > .
> >
> > *Our mailing address is:*
> > OLPC, Inc.
> > 200 South Biscayne Blvd
> > Suite 3550
> > Miami, FL 33131
>
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [OLPC-SF] Fwd: Please Help Support OLPC

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Not that unusual; I've seen a few fundraising emails like this from time to
time.

More interesting (at least having worked for them) is that they moved from
a portion of the 11th floor of a building in Miami to a single room on the
3rd to a new building entirely.

Doubly interesting is that the building they moved into happens to be the
same as the Knight Foundation
http://www.knightfoundation.org/about/contact/

I do not know if there is a correlation.


On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Interesting :)
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Aaron D Borden 
> Date: 9 July 2016 at 04:04
> Subject: [OLPC-SF] Fwd: Please Help Support OLPC
> To: olpc...@lists.laptop.org
>
>
> Some activity from OLPC. They're running a fundraiser!
>
> http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b4e697fcc915b7fe33b6f6273=61e9cdfc06
>
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > Subject:Please Help Support OLPC
> > Date:   Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:24:54 +
> > From:   One Laptop per Child, Inc. 
> > Reply-To:   One Laptop per Child, Inc. 
> >
> >
> >
> > Please Help Support OLPC
> >
> > View this email in your browser
> > <
> http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b4e697fcc915b7fe33b6f6273=61e9cdfc06
> >
> >
> >
> > *Dear Friend of OLPC,*
> >
> > On behalf of One Laptop per Child, and the millions of children who need
> > your support, we invite you to join us as we work to fulfill our mission
> > of providing each child in the world with a rugged, low-cost computer
> > and related innovative educational program.
> >
> > *OLPC*, a 501(c)3 non-profit organization founded in 2005, continues to
> > work to fulfill its mission of providing a quality education to all
> > children. *OLPC* has joined forces with the Zamora Teran Foundation to
> > provide comprehensive support services to *OLPC* programs around the
> > world to ensure the success of each program and each child. The
> > *OLPC* program enhances a child's desire to learn, develop critical
> > thinking skills and fosters a love of lifelong learning. Through our
> > program, children become connected to each other, to the world and to a
> > brighter future.
> >
> > Today, we need your support in order to continue to bring the *OLPC
> > *educational program to children and communities around the world.
> > *OLPC* relies on the support of generous donors to continue its
> > important work. That is why, we invite you to support our work and
> > become a sponsor of the *OLPC *program. We have several sponsorship
> > levels available:
> > *Friend:*
> >
> > *$1.00 - $499.00*
> >
> > *Supporter:*
> >
> > *$500.00 - $4,999.00*
> >
> > *Bronze Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$5,000.00 – $24,999.00*
> >
> > *Silver Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$25,000.00 – $49,000.00*
> >
> > *Gold Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$50,000.00 – $99,999.00*
> >
> > *Platinum Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$100,000.00 – $499,999.00*
> >
> > *Diamond Sponsor:*
> >
> > *$500,000.00 +*
> >
> >
> > Your tax deductible donation allows us to continue to provide each child
> > with a brighter future.
> >
> > *Visit our website:* www.laptop.org
> > *Donate:* http://one.laptop.org/content/donate-online
> >
> > *Follow us on Facebook:* https://www.facebook.com/one.laptop.per.child/
> >
> >
> > /Copyright © 2016 OLPC, Inc., All rights reserved./
> > .
> >
> > *Our mailing address is:*
> > OLPC, Inc.
> > 200 South Biscayne Blvd
> > Suite 3550
> > Miami, FL 33131
>
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I am going to take the unpopular stance here and say if all you are willing
to support is a computer which requires no binary blobs, you are going to
support no computer at all.

It's just a question of who loads what binary blobs.  Even x86 CPUs have
their microcode loaders and digitally signed firmware nowadays.

Starting this month, the Federal Communication Commission required all
devices manufactured with 5 GHz wireless firmware sold in the  United
States prove that alternative firmware cannot be installed that will alter
the wireless output from the manufacturer's/FCC's original intent.  Most
manufacturers have taken the easy route and blocked all
non-binary/alternative firmware support - it's the easiest route to meet
that goal.


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:

> Quoting Sam Parkinson (2016-06-23 00:07:34)
> > I think that the issue was mainly it was hard to install Sugar on the
> > 1st generation rpis.  The 1st gen was a special snowflake and it
> > didn't run normal distros that could normally intall sugar.
>
> RPi1 _also_ was slow, like most devices of that era, but...
>
>
> > I think the situation has changed?  Can't the rpi3 run mainline
> > kernel?
>
> No, it cannot *boot* without non-free blobs!
>
> No ARM devices can do 3D graphics without non-free blobs, but the RPi
> boards are particularly bad in that the 3D graphics is hardwired to the
> bootup process.
>
> If you want the RPi, then admit that you compromise on freedoms, don't
> try fool yourself and your surroundoungs by claiming differently.
>
>
> > There are actually a few funny tablets that run mainline kernel, like
> > the 2013 nexus 7.  (not the 2012 nexus7, that's a tegra chip) Maybe
> > those are of interest to us.
>
> No, I am pretty sure Nexus 7 is the one I checked a bit closer recently
> and found to only be limping when using mainline kernel - mostly
> relevant for Canonical to stuff their non-free blobs on top, and for PR
> folks to fool wanna-be purists who don't read the fine print to tag
> along).
>
> If you want a free(ish) phone, buy a GTA04 (but it isn't cheap).
>
> If you want a free(ish) tablet, buy an Allwinner-based one that you have
> double-checked is working with Debian.  Not some vendor-shipped "Debian"
> but what _Debian_ calls Debian - with kernel distributed from Debian!
>
>
> ...or don't - but then call it something else than "free", please:
> Consumers watering down the terms is far more confusing than Microsoft
> inventing "shared source".
>
>
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>
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Re: [IAEP] 172 XO-1s for $24 each (+ freight) $4,000 total

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Having thought about this a bit more since this morning, I believe the best
course of action would be to ask the recycler to directly donate the XO-1s
to one or more projects which already accept them on a donation basis.
These include the Columbus School for Girls (http://csgolpc.weebly.com/ ),
Unleash Kids (www.unleashkids.org), etc.

I do not have a full list of all projects that are still active.

I do not believe we would get significant new traction by trying to sell
XO-1s.  If we truly are going to force end of support in 2020, we should be
having the developers focus on the next system and not going crazy trying
to keep backwards support with the first.

As long as everything is routed through 501(c)3s and we do not go too
crazy, the recycler might be willing to split the pallet.

If a few developers need them for testing, we could then siphon them
as-needed.




On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 13 June 2016 at 17:16, Sean DALY  wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> >>
> >> what do you see as the difference in terms of sugar feedback?
> >
> > Students not using their native language, teachers at far lower level,
> > daunting infrastructure difficulties which mean limited laptop time, very
> > limited connectivity... believe me, the contexts will have as many
> > differences as similarities
>
> Sure, I understand the socioeconomic contexts are different.
>
> How does this difference relate to getting feedback on what to work on?
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Re: [IAEP] 172 XO-1s for $24 each (+ freight) $4,000 total

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I think if you tell the sponsor you want a stash to sell them, they'll be
more than happy to keep them to sell for themselves.

What Walter and I are getting at is that is servicing & reshipping 172 XOs
(even if they come with 254 chargers + extra batteries) takes a lot more
work than you may realize.

While $4k might be trivial for a developer in the US to pay, moving ~550
pounds/~250 kg dropped outside on a pallet into your apartment is not.  You
will need room to store/charge/diagnose/etc. them - and not stacked while
closed (they may overheat and melt).

Reconditioning them could take another $4k man-hours worth of work.

If you ship more than one or a few at a time (depending on
origin/destination), the Lithium batteries in the laptops make them a
hazardous shipment.  Having that many lithium batteries in one location
might violate fire code on its own.

The sheer number of XO-1s put on sale at once could lower the viable sales
price.

And in the event that some have torn keyboards/bad batteries/etc., you're
just going to end up recycling those parts again.  It will be clear from
the quantity that this isn't personal use, so you may have to pay for that.


Anyways, if done, doing this would be best handled by one of the local
groups (OLPC-SF, etc.) where they get the room to store the laptops across
several locations as well as several hands involved with them.  I
anticipate it would require a lot of labor & time to do this properly, and
anyone who remembers the first Give-One Get-One event would know how OLPC
completely screwed up in this area.


On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 13 June 2016 at 04:19, Sam Parkinson  wrote:
> > $100 seems steep for an XO1.
>
> We could also offer a 100% buy-back scheme to get them back if they
> aren't used regularly, and various discounts up to 100% for developers
> who want to pay $0 but are actively contributing.
>
> > In the USA, apparently less than $100 yeilds
> > you a "tablet" from "Walmart" (can't vouch for anything... just searched
> it
> > on the net) [1].  Maybe sell it for less?  Or try $100 and see if we
> need to
> > go lower?
>
> And that's the retail price! :)
>
> I'm very sure you could get those units for less if we bought 150 from
> an OEM distributor, and like Sam G and Walter said, if we send enough
> well written donation requests we'd probably get a stash for $0 down.
>
> While, I think the XOs have immediate visceral excitement power, and
> it will help us support XO-1s, perhaps we should abandon XO-1 support
> and shift more modern but generic devices.
>
> Also, FedEx can sponsor shipments.
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar/OLPC Relations

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Yes it is possible to use external batteries with XOs.  But at what point
will the costs of distributing those batteries along with spare/recycled
parts make the marginal cost of distributing modern, cheap, disposable
computers worth it?

I should probably note that the 2020 deadline originally came from the
end-of-support date for CentOS 6.  It is a pretty common practice in the
software world not to support your software longer than the OS, and CentOS
is/was the closest thing to 14.1.0 which officially has i386 support.

{There are special interest groups for x86 as well as ARM for CentOS 7.
But at least when I was discussing this with Peter a while back there was
some early concern as to their viability.}


On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Could a small external battery pak, like we see so many of these days, be
> used to power an XO? You would need a suitable cable.
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:43 PM, Samuel Greenfeld <sam...@greenfeld.org>
> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>> Sam, I am eager to learn what you personally think the date should be :)
>>
>
> My personal answer (at least in past private discussions) has been to end
> support sometime in 2020.
>
> The logic behind that being:
>
>- OLPC no longer makes any batteries compatible with the XO-1 (or any
>unit prior to the XO-4).  By 2020 the existing battery stock for older XOs
>should be pretty much dead.
>
>It may be possible to convince Paul Fox or someone to write
>"compatible" embedded controller firmware which charges multiple types of
>batteries sub-optimally given the limited EC flash space available.  But
>that would require the more general availability of replacement batteries.
>
>- Support for i586 CPUs is starting to leave mainline Linux
>distributions.  Note Debian's recent announcement about processors
>supported in Jessie but not Stretch.
>
>https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg1.html
>{The AMD Geode LX in XO-1's is a MediaGX derivative}
>
>The somewhat odd processor in XO-1s has had a history of throwing
>illegal instruction errors whenever someone compiled a library incorrectly,
>or a just-in-time compiler took advantage of an instruction the CPU lacked.
>
>Other Linux distributions such as RHEL/CentOS have gone 64-bit only.
>
>- Experiments have been made, but no big push has been made to update
>XOs beyond Fedora 18, which hit end-of-life in early 2014.  This requires
>kernel work to fix upstreamed drivers (XO-1 & 1.5) & more kernel work to
>upstream & port non-upstreamed drivers (XO-1.75 & 4).
>
>The alternative is to port an older systemd forward; potentially an
>equally annoying headache.
>
>- By 2020 one would hope Sugar is targeting the latest & most
>appropriate platform of the day, and not restricting itself to capabilities
>invented 15 years ago.
>
>
>
> Fair enough. I've schedule a chat with Leah at OLPC in a couple of weeks,
>> and I'll keep you all posted on what I can find out.
>>
>
> If there is a reason to go to OLPC's Miami office again I don't have an
> issue with that.  I was there in October, and as far as I know I'm still on
> good terms with them.
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar/OLPC Relations

[Samuel Greenfeld]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Sam, I am eager to learn what you personally think the date should be :)
>

My personal answer (at least in past private discussions) has been to end
support sometime in 2020.

The logic behind that being:

   - OLPC no longer makes any batteries compatible with the XO-1 (or any
   unit prior to the XO-4).  By 2020 the existing battery stock for older XOs
   should be pretty much dead.

   It may be possible to convince Paul Fox or someone to write "compatible"
   embedded controller firmware which charges multiple types of batteries
   sub-optimally given the limited EC flash space available.  But that would
   require the more general availability of replacement batteries.

   - Support for i586 CPUs is starting to leave mainline Linux
   distributions.  Note Debian's recent announcement about processors
   supported in Jessie but not Stretch.

   https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg1.html
   {The AMD Geode LX in XO-1's is a MediaGX derivative}

   The somewhat odd processor in XO-1s has had a history of throwing
   illegal instruction errors whenever someone compiled a library incorrectly,
   or a just-in-time compiler took advantage of an instruction the CPU lacked.

   Other Linux distributions such as RHEL/CentOS have gone 64-bit only.

   - Experiments have been made, but no big push has been made to update
   XOs beyond Fedora 18, which hit end-of-life in early 2014.  This requires
   kernel work to fix upstreamed drivers (XO-1 & 1.5) & more kernel work to
   upstream & port non-upstreamed drivers (XO-1.75 & 4).

   The alternative is to port an older systemd forward; potentially an
   equally annoying headache.

   - By 2020 one would hope Sugar is targeting the latest & most
   appropriate platform of the day, and not restricting itself to capabilities
   invented 15 years ago.



Fair enough. I've schedule a chat with Leah at OLPC in a couple of weeks,
> and I'll keep you all posted on what I can find out.
>

If there is a reason to go to OLPC's Miami office again I don't have an
issue with that.  I was there in October, and as far as I know I'm still on
good terms with them.
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[IAEP] Sugar/OLPC Relations

[Samuel Greenfeld]

(Intentionally top-posted)

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
>>- A definite end-of-life date needs to put on XO-1 support.
>>
>> Sure! What do you think that date should be, Sam?
>
> What do other people think?
>
> I offer that Sugar Labs should follow OLPC Inc's lead on this, and
> continue to support the XO-1 for as long as they are.
>
> Does anyone know for how long OLPC will be supporting the XO-1?
>

Historically I would have answered this by stating that OLPC likely will
provide a public end-of-life schedule whenever they remove everyone from
their about page {including Negroponte} that is no longer involved in the
project.

Likewise you would get their lesson plans for Sugar when you tore them from
OLPC's cold, dead hands.

There has never been a good relationship between OLPC's corporate side and
it's academia-based side.  If there was at one point, no one has told me
stories from those days.

The corporate site of OLPC is extremely secretive compared to open-source
projects.


But within the past few months, OLPC has added people and categories to
http://one.laptop.org/about/people , which makes me curious as to what they
are up to.  They also may have subtly rebranded the XO-4 Touch as the "XO
Laptop Touch" a year or so ago.

Excluding James Cameron (since he's contracted by OLPC), has anyone been
keeping regular contact with OLPC to see what their wishes & concerns are?

Perhaps Sugar should have a Community Manager who regularly meets with
OLPC, deployments, and partners to see what they are up to, and what their
concerns are.

For all we know, OLPC may be working on their next software project, just
like One Education is.  Said project may or may not include Sugar.

Sugar really needs OLPC or another large organization to champion its
usage, and be a willing reference when other organizations ask about using
it.  Otherwise we may have a hard time growing Sugar beyond its current
boundaries.

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[IAEP] Personal comments on the Sugar 2016 Vision proposal

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I don't know if I will be able to make the meeting tomorrow; I am not
really in a position to monitor IRC while at work.

Reading the proposed Vision statement[*] we seem to be confusing a Vision
Statement (which tends to be short & high level) with a detailed list of
goals that Sugar Labs should try to accomplish this year.

[*] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016

That said:

   - The goals need to be based on the level of volunteer and professional
   support Sugar Labs expects to have, and not just be everyone's wish list.

   - A definite end-of-life date needs to put on XO-1 support.  As time
   goes on, it will take more work to backport things to work properly on its
   processor (lacking certain i686 CPU instructions) and its 256 MB of RAM.
   Unless Sugar & its apps will support a wide range of underlying library
   versions {good for cross-distro work}, those will have to be backported as
   well.

   - Before Sugar Labs purchases any XO-4s, OLPC's and Quanta's end-of-life
   dates for the product need to be determined, along with expected purchase
   demand.

   The design is now 3 years old.  If Marvell stops making the processors,
   or another battery manufacturer decides to stop making the XO's irregular
   battery size again, Sugar Labs could have a lot of undesired stock on hand.

   - Do not limit Sugar to any particular technology on Chrome OS.  Schools
   are purchasing Chromebooks *because* they can be locked down to a known set
   of applications.  Many districts may be unwilling to put them in
   development mode so Sugar can be used.  Development mode and/or "rooting"
   the device may cause other programs they use for testing, etc., to refuse
   to work.

   If Sugar is to be accepted by larger school districts, it needs to fit
   their enterprise software model of deployment.  This includes potentially
   the Tivoization of Sugar, however contradictory that may be with the GPLv3.

   - If you nag for funding persistently the way the vision currently
   describes, I think Sugar Labs is more likely to lose members than gain any
   funding.  Asking quarterly (like Public TV stations in the US) could be
   appropriate.

   - I do not see a goal to get Sugar more widely used in schools.  This
   may require having someone create detailed guides describing how Sugar can
   be integrated with various state curriculums, similar to work Claudia and
   Mellisa did for OLPC-A.

   There may be software tweaks required to make school districts (and not
   just individual schools) happy as well.

   Has Sugar Labs given up on expanding its presence in larger/US-style
   school districts, or is this just an oversight?
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Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Many US (and potentially other) employers match donations to non-profits
made by their employees.

The exact process varies by employer, but would require them to be made in
the name of the Conservancy (with its known 501(c)3 EIN) with Sugar Labs as
the target project.

Would it be possible to rephrase this to make it a tax-deductible (at least
in the US) donation request routed through the SFC rather than sounding
like membership dues?

{I would not know if the SFC has done work this in area before, or how many
Sugar Labs members could take advantage of this.}



On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> Motion: To request a membership donation from each currently active Sugar
> Labs Member to be allocated to the General Fund for the calendar year of
> 2016, and a public statement about how they use Sugar and why they are
> involved in Sugar Labs to post on the website; there is no penalty for not
> paying a membership or not providing a statement; by default members who
> donate will be kept private, and requested to opt-in to be recognised. The
> donation requested will be $12 USD from members who self-identify as
> low-income (such as students); $36 USD from general members; $120 from
> members who can opt-in to be placed prominently on the website; and $600
> from members who can (privately if they wish) submit a release codename,
> subject to SLOB approval.
>
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Re: [IAEP] "Windows Is Coming"

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Alternatively (or perhaps alongside) a lot of schools are moving to
Chromebooks these days.
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/03/googles-chromebooks-make-up-half-of-us-classroom-devices.html

If Sugar wants to be used in such environments, then it needs to work in a
Chromebook's web browser or as an installed app.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> If we want to grow Sugar's userbase 10x, I think Sugar must run not only
> on GNU but also Windows and Mac OS X.
>
> 1. Rewriting everything in JavaScript for Sugarizer
>
> 2. Implementing "Sugar As A Service" with GTK3-Broadway,
> https://SandStorm.io and https://os.js.org
>
> 3. Packaging Sugar to run on any desktop
>
> I think this list is in descending order of effort.
>
> Sebastian just has done more AWESOME work to make Sugar run on any GNU
> free desktop...
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit/pull/3
>
> Once that effort wraps up, it will not be far for Sugar to run natively on
> non-free desktops.
>
> I kindly offer you the proposition that the majority of users of VLC and
> Firefox and LibreOffice and Inkscape and GIMP and Blender and all the other
> major free software projects are on Windows.
>
> More philosophically, I think that the most powerful attribute of libre
> software is that it can be ubiquitous. I think a ultra-cross-platform
> strategy that pushes this attribute to its limit is advantageous for the
> software freedom movement, because it - massively - widens the conversion
> funnel (
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs/blob/master/STRUCTURE.md) and
> gets people familiar with libre UIs and gets their data into libre formats,
> so that making the transition to a GNU desktop is actually very
> straightforward.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

[Samuel Greenfeld]

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> On 16 May 2016 at 19:40, Samuel Greenfeld <sam...@greenfeld.org> wrote:
>
>> In general, getting information about children using a product targeted
>> at them is a bit of a legal minefield.
>>
>
> Fortunately I'm not interested in information about children :)
>

Getting information about how they use Sugar (rough age/grade, source IP
Address, etc.) may count as getting information about them.


>
>> There are countries which don't allow anything about younger children or
>> what they do online to be known without parental and/or school consent.
>> Said consent may require proving the adult is actually an adult and not a
>> child providing an incorrect date of birth.
>>
>
> Which countries? :)
>

The United States has COPPA, the EU has Directive 95/46/EC, Australia might
be using the Privacy Act 1988 for this.

Canada may not have a separate act but current interpretation considers
younger children's information as more sensitive under PIPEDA.
https://www.priv.gc.ca/resource/fs-fi/02_05_d_62_tips_e.asp

In any country screwing up can result in significant consequences:
https://www.priv.gc.ca/cf-dc/2014/2014_011_1007_e.asp
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2015/12/two-app-developers-settle-ftc-charges-they-violated-childrens

Google kind of hints at the environment with their minimum ages for
accounts:
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/1350409?hl=en

Privacy International notes that in 2014, over 100 countries had what they
considered "comprehensive data protection legislation".  So don't expect me
to know them all.


> Historically Sugar Labs has been non-profit, and probably too tiny to get
>> on the radar.  But before social and/or metric features get incorporated
>> into Sugar's core, it would be best to check with the lawyers as to how to
>> do it.
>
>
> Which lawyers? :)
> --
>

OLPC had and likely still has one on staff to handle these sorts of issues,
along with a full-service legal firm with specialists in this area.

Sugar Labs probably would have to start with the SFC and see what they
recommend.
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network

[Samuel Greenfeld]

In general, getting information about children using a product targeted at
them is a bit of a legal minefield.

There are countries which don't allow anything about younger children or
what they do online to be known without parental and/or school consent.
Said consent may require proving the adult is actually an adult and not a
child providing an incorrect date of birth.

Historically Sugar Labs has been non-profit, and probably too tiny to get
on the radar.  But before social and/or metric features get incorporated
into Sugar's core, it would be best to check with the lawyers as to how to
do it.



On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:53 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> On 15 May 2016 at 13:29, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
>> Sugar Network is up the air, and it has more than 35.000 users. You can
>> find the stats here> http://network.sugarlabs.org/stats-viewer/
>>
>
> WOW!!! That stats page is AMAZING!! :D
>
> But having looked at the SN wiki pages in more detail, I am still confused
> about Sugar Network it seems to have no activity in the last 8 months;
> I don't understand why it isn't a part of Sugar itself; I don't understand
> how it raised a small fund for development labour -
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Crowd_funding/Sugar_Network#Overall_progress
> - and then seems to have stopped without posting why.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sugar-network seems dormant since
> 2014.
>
> But since it 2 of the 3 key people I could find listed are you and
> Sebastian, I hope you can refresh the wiki page section to explain these
> things :)
>
> Cheers
> Dave
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Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Free and Open Source: It seems that the XO-4 contains more proprietary
> software than the XO-1; and since Sugar isn't actually GPL, it seems Sugar
> Labs only has a preference for this.
>

The core Sugar programs are licensed GPLv2 or later, while the core Sugar
"toolkit" libraries are licensed LGPLv2 or later.  There was discussion
about moving everything to GPLv3 on this mailing list in April 2011.  But
as far as I know the license was not changed.

The XO-1.75 & XO-4 used accelerated video drivers which may be proprietary
and were not upstreamed.  But alternative drivers for these chipsets now
exist which potentially could be modified to work on XOs.  These did not
exist at the time said XOs were first released.


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Chris Leonard 
wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
> > Well, does Sugar Labs have a table listing each user community
> > ("deployment") and a person in each community who Sugar Labs can talk
> with?
> >
> > If not, let's make such a table :)
> >
> > It isn't clear to me where these 3 million XOs went... I heard that OLPC
> > didn't and won't make an easy to access list of all deployments available
> > because they are scared about other companies taking away their
> customers.
> > There seems to be enough published information to piece something like
> that
> > together, though.
>
> OLPC does share a table of the SKUs manufactured that contains some
> information about where they are going.
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Manufacturing_data
>
> Far from perfect for your purpose, but is is a start.
>
> >
> > Free and Open Source: It seems that the XO-4 contains more proprietary
> > software than the XO-1; and since Sugar isn't actually GPL, it seems
> Sugar
> > Labs only has a preference for this.
> >>
>
> Are you talking about a driver on the XO-4 or something, details would
> be useful in assessing this statement.  IANAL, so I'm not touching
> "Sugar isn't actually GPL", but if there are serious concerns about
> our licensing, please document them so others can look into it.
>
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Re: [IAEP] ALERT JUSTICE DOWN [24 hours without response] (!)

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Unless the hardware is newer than I think it is, it likely is quite old.

OLPC's hardware in the Media Lab kept flaking out to the point most (all?)
of it was eventually virtualized.

How much would it cost to look into getting new hardware and/or using
someone's virtualization platform?

Sugar seems to change their setup a bit more than OLPC, so it may be worth
investigating a scenario where resources could be spun up on demand.


On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org
wrote:

 On 06/18/2015 03:01 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
  Any chance to check if disks are dying or there other reason for these
  instabilities?

 Nothing odd from smartctl, and anyway the server would keep responding
 to pings even if both disks in the raid array were dead.

 So I'm thinking it's either a kernel bug, or unstable hardware.


  Gonzalo
 
  On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org
  mailto:ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 
  +systems@
 
  I rebooted justice from the management console and it's now
 responding
  to pings.
 
  I couldn't view the screen capture and I had no time to go to the
 Media
  Lab to physically inspect the machine, so I don't understand the
  root cause.
 
  As reported by Dogi, Justice seems to crash every 1-2 months. I
 suggest
  we try the following steps:
 
  1. upgrade justice to Ubuntu 14.04 (like we did with freedom 1yr ago)
 
  2. if crashes continue, go to the server room and swap the drives
 with
  freedom (which is our hot-swap server and doesn't currently run
 anything
  critical)
 
  3. Ask again the ML to give one of us physical access to the server
  room. I work nearby, but I have trouble leaving during office hours
 on a
  personal errand and if anything happens over a week-end we're in
  trouble.
 
  Sebastian: you should at least get access to the management console.
  Ping me on IRC and I'll send you the credentials on a secure channel.
 
 
  On 06/18/2015 10:40 AM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
   Hello Sugar Oversight Board, Sugar Labs Members,
  
   Our main production server virtual machine host is down and I can't
   reach it.
   We have several systems that depend on this infrastructure,
 including
   pootle server which was actively being used by translators of
  Aymara and
   Awajun native languages.
  
   I respectfully request that you call on the phone whoever has
 physical
   access to this machine and we try to bring it back online. I think
  this
   should be either Bernie Inocenti or Stefan Unterhauser.
  
   Also, I would like to request for more volunteers from
 infrasctucure
   team to have virtual terminal access to these machines (not just
 ssh),
   or to put them in a proper collocation service where we can get
 some
   support.
  
   Thanks in advance for your help.
   Sebastian
  
   On 17/06/15 20:55, Sebastian Silva wrote:
   Affected services:
   translate.sugarlabs.org http://translate.sugarlabs.org
   git.sugarlabs.org http://git.sugarlabs.org
   packages.sugarlabs.org http://packages.sugarlabs.org
  
  
  
   On 17/06/15 20:48, Sebastian Silva wrote:
   We can't reach it.
  
   Anybody with physical access to the machine please respond.
  
  
   Regards,
   Sebastian
 
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting

[Samuel Greenfeld]

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:

 I don't see how changing the communication media used for the meeting
 will get more people involved. In particular audio/video chat is worst
 than text
 when there are more people. But I agree we need more people in the
 meetings.


I am not saying every meeting needs to be video or voice; but it would be
good to have some variety once in a while.

There are a lot of minor details communicated in verbal and visual
communication that do not translate well to text.


1. What is being done to attract new deployments, developers (besides
GSoC) and project sponsors.


2. I would like to propose a Sugar Ambassador program similar to
the Fedora one where less-technical members of the community could engage
with other groups to figure out what they would need to use Sugar.  This
does not necessarily mean that we need to fly them everywhere; but it 
 would
give us a good idea of what might be required to obtain gain certain types
of deployments.



 Did you think about run for a seat in the SLOB?

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates


I have considered it, but there are two obstacles:

First, my current employer requires me to obtain permission from them to be
on the board of a non-profit.  This is not insurmountable, but likely
requires proving (amongst other things) that I can completely isolate Sugar
from anything my employer pays me to do for all hours that my employer pays
me to work.

Second, I would like to see some more public signs of organic growth
besides the Google events before I commit more than a few hours per week.
My available time outside of work is limited, and I have no intention of
providing free labor for someone's unknown customer.
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Looking at past minutes, I think I am proposing more of a change in
procedure than topics for the oversight meeting.  We need to get more
people involved than are present in the IRC meetings.

In general I am echoing what was said on the Planning for the Future
email thread from three months ago.

But some topics (for the oversight meeting or an all-hands meeting) would
be:


   1. What can Sugar publicly commit to having in terms of
   users/developers/finances/etc. beyond what was mentioned in the deployment
   survey.

   Witness Dan's complaints over the 3 million number, James noting no one
   filed a bug report for Sugar 0.105.1 yet, the lack of candidates for past
   elections, the lack of interaction between the XS development and Sugar
   development communities, etc.

   It also would be useful to know what users/developers/etc. could
   publicly commit to Sugar.


   2. What is being done to address the main issues raised by deployments
   in the latest development survey.


   3. A complete holistic overhaul of how releases are done and marketed.
   Sugar was originally created with a if you build it, they will come
   approach that many community members have at least privately complained
   about.

   We need real-world examples of how to integrate Sugar with curriculums,
   reference deployments willing to speak with prospective ones, etc.

   Setting up Sugar needs to be no harder than a child using it for the
   first time.


   4. What is being done to attract new deployments, developers (besides
   GSoC) and project sponsors.


   5. I would like to propose a Sugar Ambassador program similar to the
   Fedora one where less-technical members of the community could engage with
   other groups to figure out what they would need to use Sugar.  This does
   not necessarily mean that we need to fly them everywhere; but it would give
   us a good idea of what might be required to obtain gain certain types of
   deployments.



On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
wrote:

 The next Sugar Labs oversight board meeting is on Monday. Anyone in the
 community is, as always, welcome to suggest discussion topics.

 -walter

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org
 wrote:

 I know there have been various board and development meetings for Sugar.

 But I would like to propose having an all-hands meeting where anyone in
 the Sugar community as well as related groups (deployments, schoolserver,
 etc.) could raise a topic and attend.

 If there are few enough people, we might be able to do this with a Google
 Hangout.  For larger crowds we should try to get permission to use an
 international conference bridge (to avoid a dozen echo cancelers getting
 confused by each other).

 There are a lot of things that need to be done that I suspect could
 happen given a wider audience.

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[IAEP] Sugar all-hands meeting

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I know there have been various board and development meetings for Sugar.

But I would like to propose having an all-hands meeting where anyone in
the Sugar community as well as related groups (deployments, schoolserver,
etc.) could raise a topic and attend.

If there are few enough people, we might be able to do this with a Google
Hangout.  For larger crowds we should try to get permission to use an
international conference bridge (to avoid a dozen echo cancelers getting
confused by each other).

There are a lot of things that need to be done that I suspect could happen
given a wider audience.

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Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term replacements due to
someone resigning or shortages, that might be something worth amending them
to include.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
wrote:

 We run elections at the end of each year. If we have fewer candidates
 than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll run another
 election at the end of 2015.

 Regards.

 -walter

 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas la...@somosazucar.org
 wrote:
  I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your intructions at that
 time...
 
  Now, my name is on the list ;D
 
 
  According to your logic, we should run elections when we have enough
 candidates.
 
 
  How many additional candidates do we need?
 
 
 
  2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org:
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas la...@somosazucar.org
 wrote:
 
  Hi Gonzalo,
 
 
  Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are going to me be
  made, how do you justify not to rotate the board members with long
  time active volunteers? specially those who have shown interest, like
  I have
 
 
  Hi Laura,
  Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your candidature?
  You only needed add your name to
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
 
  That was requested many times, and there are only two candidates to
 fill 4
  seats.
 
  Gonzalo
 
 
   Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the kids) we can run a
  democratic community soon!
 
 
  2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org:
   Hi Sebastian,
  
   In this specific case, we will keep the replies from the deployments
   confidential
   and release a general inform with conclusions without naming the
   deployment
   involved.
   There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in negotiation with
   countries will understand.
   Every time than a country say will buy N number of hardware with X
   software,
   all the big companies start to pressure.
   Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive.
  
   and we are organizing a face to face meeting with all the members
 fro
   SLOBs,
  
  
  
   How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern?
  
   to discuss strategies.
  
   We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc or email.
   I don't know if this is the solution, but we are trying something
   different.
  
  
  
   We are discussing more ideas, like survey the community and
 teachers,
   like
   was proposed in this list.
  
   And?
  
  
   I don't understand the question.
  
   Gonzalo
  
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Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Personally I would be more interested in why groups/organizations don't use
Sugar than what existing deployments are looking for to continue using it.

In order for Sugar to become more than a niche product it is going to have
to accommodate a wider population.

The XO/Sugar/Schoolserver combination was originally promoted as a complete
solution which could be used independently without anything else.

But in practice, there is a need to integrate with other solutions.  Sugar
may be a great educational environment but there is a need to tie it into
existing schools and curriculums.  OLPC had educators on staff looking into
this problem, but I don't think we have that luxury.

As an example, the same kludge hacks kept being made over and over to
integrate Sugar  XOs into environments where the schoolserver might not
control the network, proxy authentication/802.1x networks were used, etc.
For some reason this functionality never made it upstream.


On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
wrote:

 Hi Sebastian,

 In this specific case, we will keep the replies from the deployments
 confidential
 and release a general inform with conclusions without naming the
 deployment involved.
 There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in negotiation with
 countries will understand.
 Every time than a country say will buy N number of hardware with X
 software,
 all the big companies start to pressure.
 Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive.

 and we are organizing a face to face meeting with all the members fro
 SLOBs,



 How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern?

   to discuss strategies.

 We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc or email.
 I don't know if this is the solution, but we are trying something
 different.



 We are discussing more ideas, like survey the community and teachers,
 like was proposed in this list.

 And?


 I don't understand the question.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

[Samuel Greenfeld]

 a
  clear engagement on web and open source and Google because of their wish
 to
  embrace education with Chrome. We need to ask help from them.
  Experiment: we need to start deployment as soon as possible to
 demonstrate.
  At OLPC France, we've got ambition to start a first experimental
 deployment
  of Sugarizer before the end of the year.
 
 
 
  All of us spent years on promoting the Sugar philosophy. We have the
 choice
  to look backward or look forward. My choice is clear: with Sugar for the
 Web
  I will give to every children the same opportunities I gave to XO users.
 
 
  Best regards from France.
 
 
 Lionel.
 
 
 
 
  Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:36:34 -0500
  From: Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org
  To: IAEP SugarLabs iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
  Subject: [IAEP] Planning for the future
  Message-ID:
 
  CA+cAqjM7=hqou47mhmr9aqtnbzkrmjdb00nxbzennbo+1wk...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
 
  Disclaimer: The following are my views, and not the views of my current
 or
  past employers.
 
  About a year ago, I privately expressed concern that Sugar needed to
  ensure
  it had long-term sponsorship and a long-term user base.
 
  Since then, both the historical US-based OLPC organization and Sugar
 Labs
  have not publicly said much about their long-term plans, with OLPC also
  being rather closemouthed about the present.
 
  Meanwhile contributors silently leave.  It is hard to justify
 volunteering
  when you don't know who will benefit besides mysterious customers.
 
  Everyone seems happy to cite their past successes.  No one corrects the
  press when they report stale information in their favor.
 
 
  There is no shame in being a smaller project.  But we need to ask the
 hard
  questions.  With Sugar, getting users and developers for a niche
 platform
  is a problem.  With OLPC, everyone seems to love repeating the 2 or 2.5
  million number for laptops historically shipped.  Rarely is it asked how
  many XOs been shipped in the past year or are in active use  where.
 
  Sugar  OLPC need to come up with long-term strategies.  While there is
  nothing public I have seen stopping One Education's XO Infinity from
  running Sugar, I haven't seen anything stopping it from running anything
  else.  It is also unclear how much One Education is willing to engage
 with
  the historical Sugar  OLPC communities (or how much they can tell us at
  this time).
 
 
  Historically there have been many philosophical questions like Does
 there
  need to be a physical machine? and Have we succeeded if every child
 has
  a
  computer, but from someone else?
 
  I do not believe Sugar or OLPC is down for the count.  But in order to
  engage One Education, governments, and other educational groups, both
  Sugar
  and the historical OLPC structure need to have plans to transition to
 the
  future.  Otherwise these plans will be written for us.
 
  I suspect I know how things will end; but I wish it was not happening
  though silence.
 
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  Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:31:23 -0300
  From: Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
  To: Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org
  Cc: Chris Leonard c...@sugarlabs.org, grassroots
  grassro...@lists.laptop.org,  olpc-open
  olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org,
  Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com,   olpc-sf
  olpc...@lists.laptop.org,
  iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org,Nick Doiron
  ndoi...@mapmeld.com
  Subject: Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting
  Message-ID:
 
  CAJ+iPVSKb3puCeQc57Kc3TUA4Df1=akvtwdpt0abj-aqruh...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
  Only a English version is available right now.
 
  There are another activity with a older version in French, but the last
  version is from 2009
  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4195
 
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro 
 s...@unleashkids.org
  wrote:
 
   Gonzalo, if a French translation exists and it's easy to include both
 it
   and the English translations when making the templates, that would be
   great. But if there's only room for one language, please have it be
   English.
  
   Thanks!
  
   On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Gonzalo Odiard 
 godi...@sugarlabs.org
   wrote:
  
   Thanks Nick.
  
  
   On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Nick Doiron ndoi...@mapmeld.com
   wrote:
  
   I believe the official language code is HT
   On Feb 23, 2015 9:09 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
   wrote:
  
   I can create the templates to do the translation and sent to you.
   Or I can upload and you can translate them online.
   The process is a little different than with the pottle server used
 to
   translate activities,
   but the idea is the same

[IAEP] Planning for the future

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Disclaimer: The following are my views, and not the views of my current or
past employers.

About a year ago, I privately expressed concern that Sugar needed to ensure
it had long-term sponsorship and a long-term user base.

Since then, both the historical US-based OLPC organization and Sugar Labs
have not publicly said much about their long-term plans, with OLPC also
being rather closemouthed about the present.

Meanwhile contributors silently leave.  It is hard to justify volunteering
when you don't know who will benefit besides mysterious customers.

Everyone seems happy to cite their past successes.  No one corrects the
press when they report stale information in their favor.


There is no shame in being a smaller project.  But we need to ask the hard
questions.  With Sugar, getting users and developers for a niche platform
is a problem.  With OLPC, everyone seems to love repeating the 2 or 2.5
million number for laptops historically shipped.  Rarely is it asked how
many XOs been shipped in the past year or are in active use  where.

Sugar  OLPC need to come up with long-term strategies.  While there is
nothing public I have seen stopping One Education's XO Infinity from
running Sugar, I haven't seen anything stopping it from running anything
else.  It is also unclear how much One Education is willing to engage with
the historical Sugar  OLPC communities (or how much they can tell us at
this time).


Historically there have been many philosophical questions like Does there
need to be a physical machine? and Have we succeeded if every child has a
computer, but from someone else?

I do not believe Sugar or OLPC is down for the count.  But in order to
engage One Education, governments, and other educational groups, both Sugar
and the historical OLPC structure need to have plans to transition to the
future.  Otherwise these plans will be written for us.

I suspect I know how things will end; but I wish it was not happening
though silence.

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Re: [IAEP] Board Status

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Board elections typically depend on what an organization's articles of
incorporation say.

To clarify, there are several organizations related to what you might call
OLPC/One Laptop per Child:

   - Sugar Labs, which spun off from OLPC in 2008 and maintains the Sugar
   user interface.  This mailing list is maintained by them.
   - The OLPC Foundation, which is a 501(c)3 charity/non-profit
   organization.  501(c)3 refers to the section of the United States' tax
   code which states what the Foundation can and cannot do.
   - OLPC Association, a 501(c)4 organization which handled many
   operational tasks for the above.
   - OLPC Inc., another 501(c)3 created last year by a different set of
   people.  Many if not all of the trademarks and other property which once
   belonged to the OLPC Foundation and Association have been reassigned to
   them.


In addition, there are a variety of other groups which have had varying
relations over time.  Many of them include OLPC in their name but never
were officially part of the above.  Past and possibly current OLPC
employees have founded organizations for related causes (Unleash Kids,
Digi-Bridge, etc.).

In general many of us don't know what you might traditionally think of as
OLPC has been doing recently apart from what they post on their blog.   The
relationships OLPC has had with volunteers, governments, and other
organizations are too complex to explain in a single message.

Disclaimer:  While my name still appears on OLPC's website, I, along with
potentially many other people listed, no longer work for them.


On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
wrote:

 Hi Dan,
 I suppose you are asking about Sugar Labs Oversight Board, right?
 (I don't think OLPC had a elected board at any time of their history)
 I am one of the members of the Oversight Board at the moment,
 but this is only my personal opinion.
 The number of volunteers proposed to integrate the board decreased
 in the last years, and at the end of 2013, we had less volunteers
 than seats to renew. At the end of 2014 we had even less.
 To add another problem, the volunteer who ran the elections in previous
 years
 is not available anymore.
 I think this is a consequence of other changes in the community/ecosystem.
 Right now funding of Sugar development as decreased and we still
 didn't find a way to sustain the minimal operations. Our users (not the
 kids,
 but the governments, fundations, etc) deploying Sugar, are used to a model
 where OLPC sustained a big part of the development with the sell of he XOs.
 That is not happening right now (OLPC continue selling XOs, but do not
 sustain Sugar development),
 but the clients do not see why pay for something they received by free.

 Gonzalo



 On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote:
  I am following OLPC as part of a research paper on open source
  organizations.
 
  Going over the archives, it seems there has not been a board election in
 a
  couple of years. Has this affected the project in any way?
 
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Re: [IAEP] Re-visiting 1984?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

No, someone just thinks forum.laptop.org is compromised and infected with
something.  Whomever is left at OLPC with admin rights might want to look
into it.

There are other IRC web clients out there such as
http://webchat.freenode.net/ which can get to the same channels if you need
to get on IRC tonight.




On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Friends...

 Has irc been taken over by George Orwell? I can't get on! See the attached
 screen-shot. Meanwhile, here is my question. For this information...

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Power_Log_Collector#Open_Firmware

 Which of the power log programs is better to use with the XO-1? Once the
 data has been collected, how is it accessed?

 For the Log Activity at ...

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056#reviews

 How is the data accessed and used.

 Thanks!

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Re: [IAEP] Will XO-4 work with Makey Makey?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Given a Makey Makey appears to emulate a standard USB HID keyboard/mouse
there should be no reason it shouldn't work, as long as it doesn't try to
draw excessive current from the USB port.

The fact it is a HID device should also temporarily disable powerd from
suspending (although you may have to wake up the laptop once via its main
keyboard/touchpad so the HID device is seen).




On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote:

 At Maker Faire New York, I was demo-ing some of the XO's and tried to
 hookup a Makey Makey, but it did not work with the XO-4.  It worked fine
 with the X0-1.

 Is this a known bug?

 Also, met some great folks and have one 12 year old kid working on turning
 his sisters stuffed Monkey into a input device for the XO so we can use it
 with disabled kids. .

 Cheers,
 Stephen

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[IAEP] IEEE Global Humanitarian Technical Conference October 21-24

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I got an email about the IEEE Global Humanitarian Technical Conference.  It
is in Seattle, Washington from October 21-24 (immediately after the OLPC-SF
event).

This definitely seems to be a doers conference, with a few papers last year
on Open Source and Education.

If anyone is interested you can go to www.ieeeghtc.org for more information.

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Re: [IAEP] Etoys or Scratch?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Although I cannot recommend a platform, I recommend being highly cautious
about who generates and who edits material for a program which teaches
disaster preparedness.  Legal disclaimers will not be able to protect the
author(s) if the information is blatantly incorrect, or even slightly
misinterpreted.

Even the experts cannot always agree about what is best and the best way to
present it.  For a United States based example, compare www.ready.gov 
www.reallyready.org.


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not use these programs. I would actually use Prezi.
 The simple answer to Why is the professional look of end product.
 Scratch and Etoys apps look childish (on purpose!!!) - like their names
 imply, the idea is to mess and play with things.   I just would not take
 disaster preparedness info seriously if it were presented in such way.

 However, if you are thinking specifically about GAMES about disasters (and
 humor), I would go with Scratch. Mostly because of the ease of upload and
 remix, and large user base.

 Cheers,
 Maria Droujkova
 919-388-1721

 Make math your own, to make your own math





 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Hi Folks…


 If you were going to build an educational piece about disaster
 preparedness for possible *cross platform* worldwide distribution would
 you prefer to do it in Scratch or Etoys and why?


 The end product would need to be able to have animation, sound, possible
 narration, interaction and all that sort of thing. The text and sound in
 the end product would be translated into many target languages. The project
 might be done by youth with little or no prior programming experience.


 I am tending toward Scratch because it is easier to get started and I
 really like the ease and quality of animation and the sound capabilities.


 What do you all think?  And please, no simple +1s. I am very interested
 in the whys.


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Re: [IAEP] Etoys or Scratch?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Note that I did not state that professional programmers had to do this,
although the way various states are leaning, licensed professional
programmers may be required to do something like this in the United States
within the next few years.

I spent roughly 10 years doing volunteer ARES/RACES/emergency
communications work.   And from that work I know that practices vary by
region, and tend to change over time.


With disasters, there can be more misinformation than real information.  I
clearly remember one of the major cable news networks cutting away from a
news conference after the September 11 attacks.  The mayor of New York was
asking people not to spread rumors.  What was the news station breaking out
of the press conference to report?  A rumor, which they actually said was a
rumor.

Now I do not know who this guide is targeted for.  Different regions of the
world tend to encounter different disasters (earthquakes, hurricanes,
landslides, etc.).  And each targeted country may also have specific
information relevant to it.


If this guide just repeats information found in various reputable sources,
that may be safe, regardless of who makes it.  But reputation can sometimes
be a tricky thing to judge.



On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am very concerned about undue professionalization of every aspect of the
 life, versus the maker/DIY/crowdsourcing approach.

 Kids need to share their very imperfect ideas about serious life issues -
 disasters, health, parenting, science... They need to share openly, and in
 a space where discussion can happen. They also need to learn to check and
 re-check anything they see in open spaces.

 Cheers,
 Maria Droujkova
 919-388-1721

 Make math your own, to make your own math




 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Samuel Greenfeld greenf...@laptop.orgwrote:

 Although I cannot recommend a platform, I recommend being highly cautious
 about who generates and who edits material for a program which teaches
 disaster preparedness.  Legal disclaimers will not be able to protect the
 author(s) if the information is blatantly incorrect, or even slightly
 misinterpreted.

 Even the experts cannot always agree about what is best and the best way
 to present it.  For a United States based example, compare www.ready.gov
 www.reallyready.org.


 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.comwrote:

 I would not use these programs. I would actually use Prezi.
 The simple answer to Why is the professional look of end product.
 Scratch and Etoys apps look childish (on purpose!!!) - like their names
 imply, the idea is to mess and play with things.   I just would not take
 disaster preparedness info seriously if it were presented in such way.

 However, if you are thinking specifically about GAMES about disasters
 (and humor), I would go with Scratch. Mostly because of the ease of upload
 and remix, and large user base.

 Cheers,
 Maria Droujkova
 919-388-1721

 Make math your own, to make your own math





 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Hi Folks…


 If you were going to build an educational piece about disaster
 preparedness for possible *cross platform* worldwide distribution
 would you prefer to do it in Scratch or Etoys and why?


 The end product would need to be able to have animation, sound,
 possible narration, interaction and all that sort of thing. The text and
 sound in the end product would be translated into many target languages.
 The project might be done by youth with little or no prior programming
 experience.


 I am tending toward Scratch because it is easier to get started and I
 really like the ease and quality of animation and the sound capabilities.


 What do you all think?  And please, no simple +1s. I am very
 interested in the whys.


 Caryl


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Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Try tweaking the URL for XOs to use the olpc.dailymotion.com domain.

The interface will scale itself down to make it XO-1 compatible.

For example, in this case: http://olpc.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs


On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 16:07 +0100, Sean DALY wrote:
  Thanks Bernie
 
  The Sugar Labs video channel is here:
 http://www.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs
 
  Ogg-compatible!

 I tried playing DailyMotion videos on the XO, but the flash player makes
 Gnash choke.

 So I tried it on my computer, without the adobe flash plugin installed:
 it attempts to start an HTML5 player, but it fails immediately with
 Media Not Supported on Firefox 7 and no explanation on Chromium 15.
 Moreover, there's no discoverable way to download the video file
 (probably it's so by design).

 Even if these issues were fixed, I still see some value in playing
 videos directly from our wiki, alongside with images and text, to create
 lesson plans for example.

 --
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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Fwd: [OLPC-SF] OLPC SF 2011 Community Summit - Poster contest

[Samuel Greenfeld]

That's the technical specification of the printer.

I think the more printing-savvy people are wondering things like:

   - What file formats will the printing company accept?
   - Is there going to be a person manipulating what we provide for best
   quality/fit?
   - What are the margins, or can we print to the edges of the 13x19 page?
   - Is submitting the poster on a larger sized template with crop marks
   recommended?
   - Is there a color calibration specification available for the printer?
   - Are there any font licensing restrictions?  (Printers often license
   font sets, and may refuse to print other fonts or substitute alternatives.
   Bitmapping text instead of embedding fonts may or may not be recommended or
   permitted.)

More specific to this event:

   - Are portrait or landscape layouts for posters recommended or required
   for this contest?
   - Are the posters going to be put into a frame which obscures the edges?
   - If there is a problem with a submitted design, what kind of
   response/turnaround-time will be required to solve the issue and still have
   the poster ready for the summit?


Personally, it's unclear if I will personally be producing a poster, as I'm
told everyone should know what OLPC itself is.  I was thinking of making a
poster trying to describe the OLPC Association as compared to the
Foundation, but don't know if that's really necessary.


On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Bruce Baikie br...@green-wifi.org wrote:

  Adam,


 They will be printed with Claria® 6-color ink printer at up to 5760 x 1440
 dpi and ink droplets as small as 1.5 picoliters

 Bruce



  On 10/6/2011 3:40 PM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:

 It may also be a good idea if you can tell us a few details about how the
 posters are going to be printed.

 That way if they use images, they can be provided to you with a reasonable
 dpi setting, and we know if we should stick to solid colors/line art or if
 photos will work as well.


 Yes, clarif very helpful if poss!  I've spoken with 1 volunteer artist who
 is very concerned her artwork will be cut off around the edges, she writes:

 *O**fficial instructions didn't mention bleed, but to play safe I will
 add on a few mm around the edges and hope they cut back to the stated size.
 If the bleed was unnecessary, no matter. If they enlarge it and then cut to
 size (cutting off part of the design), I shall be pissed :-)** I fear
 that's what they will do, though, since they are receiving contributions
 from people not familiar with making posters for print.*

  On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Maryanne Ward ward.marya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  How about:
 
  All artwork and lettering must be original. Copyrighted material may
 not be
  used without permission.
 
  That does it: Yes, all is copyrighted automatically here in the US, by
 the
  originator. So if the person is using his/her own work, of course,
  permission has been granted to oneself.
 
  Maryanne Ward
  Ghana Together
 

  Thanks. I've modified the line to read:

 All artwork and lettering must be original. Copyrighted material may
  not be used without permission. We request that you make your work
 available under a shareable license such as Creative Commons or GNU
 Free Documentation License.

 which includes the intent of resharing.

 Bruce,
 Does that work?

 Sameer

 
  -Original Message-
  From: support-gang-boun...@lists.laptop.org
  [mailto:support-gang-boun...@lists.laptop.org] On Behalf Of Bruce
 Baikie
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:05 PM
  To: Sameer Verma
  Cc: iaep; Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT
  laptop. org; Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help
 AT
  laptop.org
  Subject: Re: [support-gang] [IAEP] Fwd: [OLPC-SF] OLPC SF 2011 Community
  Summit - Poster contest
 
  Yes, The meaning is people should not be using copyrighted material they
  do not have permission to use.
  Any assistance on better wording would be helpful.
 
  Bruce
  On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Kevin Markkevin.m...@verizon.net
  wrote:
  On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 11:11:40AM -0700, Cherry Withers wrote:
  Rules:
 
 . Posters will be 13  x 19  inches in size.
 . Only 1 entry per project.
 . All artwork and lettering must be original. Copyrighted images
 are
  not
   allowed.
 . Entries must be submitted electronically in by 9:00 AM Wednesday
  morning
   Pacific Time, October 19th, 2011. Submit entries to:
   poster-submiss...@green-wifi.org
 . Posters will be also posted to the OLPC SF website during the
  summit.
  The point Copyrighted images are not allowed does not quite seem
  useful.
  Every image has an author and that person (at least in the US) get a
  copyright
  on anything they produce. There are images that an individual might
 own
  the
  copyright to and images they dont. As well as images that you can use
 in
  accordance

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Fwd: [OLPC-SF] OLPC SF 2011 Community Summit - Poster contest

[Samuel Greenfeld]

It may also be a good idea if you can tell us a few details about how the
posters are going to be printed.

That way if they use images, they can be provided to you with a reasonable
dpi setting, and we know if we should stick to solid colors/line art or if
photos will work as well.


On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Maryanne Ward ward.marya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  How about:
 
  All artwork and lettering must be original. Copyrighted material may not
 be
  used without permission.
 
  That does it: Yes, all is copyrighted automatically here in the US, by
 the
  originator. So if the person is using his/her own work, of course,
  permission has been granted to oneself.
 
  Maryanne Ward
  Ghana Together
 

 Thanks. I've modified the line to read:

 All artwork and lettering must be original. Copyrighted material may
 not be used without permission. We request that you make your work
 available under a shareable license such as Creative Commons or GNU
 Free Documentation License.

 which includes the intent of resharing.

 Bruce,
 Does that work?

 Sameer

 
  -Original Message-
  From: support-gang-boun...@lists.laptop.org
  [mailto:support-gang-boun...@lists.laptop.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Baikie
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:05 PM
  To: Sameer Verma
  Cc: iaep; Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT
  laptop. org; Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help
 AT
  laptop.org
  Subject: Re: [support-gang] [IAEP] Fwd: [OLPC-SF] OLPC SF 2011 Community
  Summit - Poster contest
 
  Yes, The meaning is people should not be using copyrighted material they
  do not have permission to use.
  Any assistance on better wording would be helpful.
 
  Bruce
  On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Kevin Markkevin.m...@verizon.net
  wrote:
  On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 11:11:40AM -0700, Cherry Withers wrote:
  Rules:
 
 . Posters will be 13  x 19  inches in size.
 . Only 1 entry per project.
 . All artwork and lettering must be original. Copyrighted images
 are
  not
   allowed.
 . Entries must be submitted electronically in by 9:00 AM Wednesday
  morning
   Pacific Time, October 19th, 2011. Submit entries to:
   poster-submiss...@green-wifi.org
 . Posters will be also posted to the OLPC SF website during the
  summit.
  The point Copyrighted images are not allowed does not quite seem
  useful.
  Every image has an author and that person (at least in the US) get a
  copyright
  on anything they produce. There are images that an individual might own
  the
  copyright to and images they dont. As well as images that you can use
 in
  accordance with the license requirements: CC, GPL, PD. So I think that
  needs a
  bit of revision.
 
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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Problems!

[Samuel Greenfeld]

It's not clear if you tried it, but I have cleared up a lot of weird
keyboard issues by removing both the battery and external power, and then
reconnecting them.  This resets the embedded controller that controls the
keyboard.

If your firmware upgrade was significant enough jump, the embedded
controller may have new software for itself which does not work with older
settings.  Currently this is more likely to happen on an XO-1 than it is on
a 1.5.

When powering on the XO, be sure not to try and break into Open Firmware
before you hear the start of the start-up chimes, as prior to that point the
XO may be trying to figure out what type of keyboard it has attached.

(Still, although I've seen odd keyboard repeats which disappeared on reset,
this does sound like a key could actually be stuck.)


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:53 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 09:42:02PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
  Now it has the correct date in GMT (without having to set it)  but I
  can't get into My Settings to put in the local time.  The settings
  screen is greyed out and will not respond.

 The usual cause of that is that you have accidentally typed some letters
 into the search field at the top left of the settings window.  There
 will be a tiny X, white on grey, to the right of the letters, click on
 that, and then all the settings icons should reappear.

  Another problem that just started with the reflash is a repeating 2 that
  appears over and over... without touching the 2 key, e.g.
  22

 That will cause the above, and is a keyboard membrane failure, it needs
 servicing or replacement.  You might try manipulating the 2 key.

  Any idea what is going on?  Any quick fixes?  Should I just download
  874 again, make a new usb, and reflash again?

 Of course not, that won't make any difference to a failed keyboard.  ;-}

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Samsung Windfall: All of South Korea's Textbooks to Go Digital by 2015

[Samuel Greenfeld]

XOs and Fedora include SCIM, which provides input methods for many languages
including Korean.  As long as the correct input methods  fonts are
installed, all that should be left to make them work in Sugar is some
configuration.

However a quick glance at Sugar's Pootle system (used for translation)
suggests that only about 25% of phrases in Sugar have been translated to
Korean.  So while you could write in Korean in Sugar, viewing Sugar
activities in Korean might be a bit hard.  If you or someone you know can
volunteer to help translate things into Korean, I'm sure Chris would
appreciate the help.


On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Daniel Mietchen 
daniel.mietc...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Christoph Derndorfer
 e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote:
  By 2014, all of South Korea's elementary-level educational materials
  will be digitized, and by 2015, the entire school-age curriculum will be
  delivered on an array of computers, smart phones and tablets. While the
  country's education ministry is yet to announce the make or model of the
  devices it will purchase, it has revealed it will spend $2.4 billion
  buying the requisite tablets and digitizing material for them.
 
  http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/mimssbits/26960/?ref=rss
 
  Does OLPC South Korea exist already? :-)
 A more basic question: How can I get Sugar to accept input in Korean?

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[IAEP] Teaching that the error condition is normal, and the wisdom of crowds

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Earlier this year, one of the public transit systems that I take to work
decided to upgrade their fare collection system.  The exact name or nature
of this system is not important, apart from the fact it is a regional train
line.

But as someone hired to test Sugar  its related items, I saw this as an
interesting opportunity.  We often talk about learning to use Sugar, and
here I would be able to observe people learning to use a system they have
never used before.

Now I do not want to unnecessarily criticize the system since they have
solved most of the significant issues, so instead of giving a full
explanation and critique, this email will focus on the issue I find the most
intriguing.  For the system seems to have successfully taught many people
that an error condition is normal, and they seem to ignore it when it
occurs.


How did this happen?  To explain this we need to take a few steps back.  The
old system was paper-based with printed information, similar to (but not
compatible with) what many other public transportation agencies in the area
use.  The new system (somewhat simplified) uses contactless smartcards
compatible with an upgrade previously done by one neighboring transportation
agency, but issued somewhat independently.  Paper tickets are still
available, but only for single-day use.

Since the system in question uses mostly unattended stations with a
proof-of-payment(*) approach, there is a need to verify that users have the
paid appropriate fare when a guard on the train asks you for it.  With paper
tickets this is easy, as the ticket shows your start and end destination,
along with any other information (expiration date, trips used, etc.)
needed.  But with smartcards, this information is only stored
electronically.  In order to prove you got on and off where you were
allowed, the new system introduced computerized fare validators installed on
every train platform which the contactless smartcards have to be touched
against.  Failure to use a validator prior to getting on or after getting
off a train may result in the maximum one-way fare being charged against the
card.

The fare validators are smaller than the fare payment machines, and to the
best of my knowledge only provide information in one language.  To otherwise
communicate, they use a series of beeps.  There are two main sounds, one a
good ok sound, the other a bad error sound, which differ noticeably in
tone, sequence, and volume.  Information is displayed on a status display
when a smartcard is touched against the card reader on each validator, but
disappears as soon as the card is out of range.

The problem stems from the fact that the error sound has been heard far too
often, and for far too many reasons.  A user which moves their card in front
of the reader too quickly or keeps it too far away may result in an error
tone, along with a possibly incorrect error message.  The lack of a proper
payment method on a card will cause it.  Validators near high pedestrian
traffic areas seem to often break down, reporting Card not valid or
Contact customer service whenever a card is touched against them.  When
this happens, it is rare to see someone actually attach a note to the reader
labeling it as broken, yet the broken condition may last for days.

The handheld checkers used by guards on the train can also be configured to
make the same ok and error sounds, and guards in some cases do not
challenge riders when they make the error sound, although they definitely do
in others(**).  Since the error sound is so prominent and noticeable
compared to the good sound, everyone seems to expect it.

The end result is a situation much like Windows User Account Control or End
User License Agreements where many people seems compelled to click Yes.
They just heard the error tones, often do not try a different reader if it
is too far away or if they are in a rush, and get on the train or head to
their destination/transfer while potentially risking a financial penalty.


So what mitigates this?  The other topic I wished to talk about is the
wisdom of crowds.  For I have noticed if someone watches a person touch
their smartcard against a validator, and it makes the error sound, and then
that person walks to another reader which produces the ok sound, then the
next person is much more likely to try the other reader to see if it works
with their card as well.  If someone watches another person get the error
sound and the latter does not attempt to go to another validator, then they
are unlikely to try another validator as well.

Advice has changed over time, and it takes a bit of time for the crowd to
catch up.  Early on many monthly pass (unlimited ride/distance) holders were
told or told each other that they did not have to use the fare validators,
as they never would be penalized.  But then some guards told them that
without using the validators, their smartcards would appear to be unloaded.
It is unclear to me if this was an early bug with the 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] XO power management hindering collaboration

[Samuel Greenfeld]

In what build(s) is this occurring?  And are you using a schoolserver or
not?

OLPC release 10.1.3 fixed some issues with XO 1.5's waking up in response to
multicast traffic on the network.  This is necessary for Salut/under the
tree usage to work with power management.  XO-1's with 10.1.3 are
configured by default to always stay on, as they (to the best of my
understanding) historically have had an occasional issue where the network
card might not reappear after suspending.

In 11.2.0 both XO-1's and 1.5's currently are allowed to suspend, although I
do not know if that will be the final setting.


On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:40 PM, moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote:

 On Sat, May 14, 2011 10:04 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
  It's looking to us that the aggressive power management enabled on the
  XO can sometimes create confusion when children are collaborating on
  activities.
 
  Take for example a turn-based game like Memorise. If a child is
  waiting for their turn, they might leave the XO untouched. In that
  time, power management can kick in, and the XO stops communicating
  over the wireless network. Waking up the XO (e.g. by touching the pad)
  doesn't always rejoin the XO to the game properly. The whole game is
  stalled because the turn cannot be completed.

 Is this in the bug tracking system? If not, please file a bug report. (We
 can help.) If it is, please add your experience to the existing bug
 report.

  Are there any ways we can manage this in our deployments? Perhaps some
  guidelines to give to teachers so that they have a reasonable
  expectation?

 An obvious workaround is to keep touching the XO so that it does not go to
 sleep.

 The more clumsy process is for the active player to exit and save, then
 open the saved Journal entry and share again.

  Thanks,
  Sridhar
 
 
 
  Sridhar Dhanapalan
  Technical Manager
  One Laptop per Child Australia
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  E: srid...@laptop.org.au
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I would not personally know the history, but tap-to-click is intentionally
disabled for the Synaptics touchpad in newer (10.1.x?) OLPC software builds
for XOs.  You should be able to edit /etc/modprobe.d/olpc-psmouse.conf to
re-enable it:

http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10119

However, be aware that there is another brand of touchpad (indistinguishable
from the outside of an XO except in software) which may be present on some
XO-1.5s, and we currently do not disable tap-to-click on these:

http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10528

I would not know how often this other brand has been used, or if anyone has
them in XOs out in the field.



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Castelo
dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uywrote:



 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote:

  *
 James Cameron wrote:
 XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed.
 *



 On the Xo 1.0 of Plan ceibal, With the new versions of Sugar 
 (0.88)http://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132they
  disabled the tap-to-click on the touchpad.

 The Tap-to click worked ok with previous image. (uy802c)


 Maybe we disabled it unintentionally. However, I flashed a machine with
 uy802c and tap-to-click doesn't work. Maybe depend on the version of the XO
 hardware. Are you sure that was on the 802c image?
 Thanks.
 Daniel

 ---

 On the XO 1.5 is different because they came from factory without the
 tap-to-click , so there's no complain about that, it never existed. (I think
 that there are some drivers problems)

 But on the XO 1.0 the feature of tap-to-click was working ok, and now it
 is disabled (with the new image Dextrose, 
 os1bdxuy.imghttp://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132,
 ), I don't Know Why.


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