Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

2017-06-13 Thread Samson Goddy 
On Jun 13, 2017 8:19 PM, "Sebastian Silva" 
wrote:



On 13/06/17 13:53, Samson Goddy wrote:


This was a project i did in 2014.. Because kids using the xo laptops were
actually playing those mentioned games online. I had to port them as a
activity for sugar. I didn't write or own the swf. It is free, there are
versions for those in Android which are free also.


Clearly you don't understand what Free Software means and so I don't think
you are fit to represent Sugar Labs, in an event or otherwise. Just my
opinion.

I have been in conferences in some part of Nigeria. Before i say things
about Sugar Labs i always ask people behind it for guidances. Walter has
always helped me to shape my talks. Same goes to other people in the
community.

Also my trip to Europe in July, i have been asking questions too. Because
that what learning is.



So if you think it is against Sugar Labs culture, i recommend you take it
down yourself.


It's not against our culture, but our rules
.
As the breacher of these rules, it would be good if you realized your
mistake and fixed it. Otherwise, others will have to fix it for you.

I believe in learning, i am going to fix it as you stated. I am still new
to all these especially in Africa where they don't practice free
softwares(MS windows domain).

I see these as a challenge that needs fixing. Back in 2014 i didn't really
know how things work. Compare to now, so i am going to see a way to open
the source code for the swf file. If i don't succeed, i will take both
activities down.

Thanks
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

2017-06-13 Thread Sebastian Silva 


On 13/06/17 13:53, Samson Goddy wrote:
>
> This was a project i did in 2014.. Because kids using the xo laptops
> were actually playing those mentioned games online. I had to port them
> as a activity for sugar. I didn't write or own the swf. It is free,
> there are versions for those in Android which are free also.

Clearly you don't understand what Free Software means and so I don't
think you are fit to represent Sugar Labs, in an event or otherwise.
Just my opinion.

> So if you think it is against Sugar Labs culture, i recommend you take
> it down yourself. 

It's not against our culture, but our rules
.
As the breacher of these rules, it would be good if you realized your
mistake and fixed it. Otherwise, others will have to fix it for you.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

2017-06-13 Thread Samson Goddy 
On Jun 13, 2017 7:12 PM, "Sebastian Silva" 
wrote:



On 13/06/17 12:50, Samson Goddy wrote:

Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit
with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote
these entities while representing Sugar Labs.

Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did you
think i might breach the agreement?


While your promoting these entities does not breach the wording of the
agreement, I believe it goes against the spirit of it. Please review
information on GNU.org such as the following articles, to understand why
such technologies are distributed in bad faith.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computing.html
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

I still don't understand what you are trying to say. I believe almost
everyone in this community uses Facebook, has LinkedIn account. For the US
people they should have iphones. I barely use windows, maybe when i want to
play fifa or go to the cyber house for internet.

Are you trying to say that i should, throw away my iphone, probably the
macbook i use. Close down my facebook account and possible my LinkedIn too?
And stop playing online games because they are flash?

Is that what you are trying to say?

I read the documentations.. i don't see how i breached those rules. Because
before i came into the community Sugar Labs was already on Facebook,
LinkedIn and Sugarizer was kinda available for Iphone and windows?

Please kind you note where and how i breached those rules?. Why are these
questions targeted to me only? Why i see people and under softwares
understand SFC are using facebook anf LinkedIn to promote their content.

I will be waiting for your replies, because i like learning what i don't
know.



On the other hand, these Sugar Activities (by you) don't have proper
sources available. This actually is a breach of the agreement, and they
should have been removed:

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4758

In accordance to the license file on those .xo bundles, I request that you
share the source for the .swf Flash components embedded if you wrote them,
otherwise please make sure they are removed from ASLO.


This was a project i did in 2014.. Because kids using the xo laptops were
actually playing those mentioned games online. I had to port them as a
activity for sugar. I didn't write or own the swf. It is free, there are
versions for those in Android which are free also. So if you think it is
against Sugar Labs culture, i recommend you take it down yourself.

I don't want any arguments.


Regards,
Sebastian


Regards

Samson
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

2017-06-13 Thread Sebastian Silva 


On 13/06/17 12:50, Samson Goddy wrote:
>
> Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do
> not fit with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if
> you do not promote these entities while representing Sugar Labs.
>
> Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did
> you think i might breach the agreement?

While your promoting these entities does not breach the wording of the
agreement, I believe it goes against the spirit of it. Please review
information on GNU.org such as the following articles, to understand why
such technologies are distributed in bad faith.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computing.html
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

On the other hand, these Sugar Activities (by you) don't have proper
sources available. This actually is a breach of the agreement, and they
should have been removed:

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4758

In accordance to the license file on those .xo bundles, I request that
you share the source for the .swf Flash components embedded if you wrote
them, otherwise please make sure they are removed from ASLO.

Regards,
Sebastian
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

2017-06-13 Thread Caryl Bigenho 
Hi All...


Sebastian wrote, "Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn 
etc, do not fit with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do 
not promote these entities while representing Sugar Labs."


Huh??? It seems since the goal of Sugarizer is to make it available FREE to run 
on "any device" that includes iPhones, Windows devices, etc. This comment of 
his doesn't make any sense! What about FREE/Libre software doesn't he 
understand???


Caryl


P.S. I proudly run Sugarizer on my iPhone!


From: IAEP  on behalf of Samson Goddy 

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:50:15 AM
To: Sebastian Silva
Cc: SLOBs; iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y 
administradores
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy 
to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo



On Jun 13, 2017 5:45 PM, "Sebastian Silva" 
> wrote:

Hi Samson,

I hope you will have a successful travel.

Thanks Sebastian.

As a member of Sugar Labs and one of the signataries of our Fiscal Sponsorship 
Agreement with the Software Freedom 
Conservancy I would 
appreciate if during your trip you would remember that we have a duty as a 
Conservancy Project to respect its "organizational mission and charitable goal 
to promote, improve, develop and defend
Free, Libre, and Open Source Software projects."

Keep in mind we agreed (section 2b) : "The Project Will Be Free Software. 
Conservancy and the Oversight Board agree that any
and all software and/or documentation distributed by the Project will be 
distributed solely as Free Software." (emphasis added).

It would be a sad thing (if not a breach of contract) if the community (as 
represented by you) would present itself as indifferent to these values.

Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit with 
this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote these 
entities while representing Sugar Labs.

Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did you think i 
might breach the agreement?

Regards,

Sebastian

On 12/06/17 07:07, Samson Goddy wrote:
To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote. It is very 
disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to travel to lagos 
tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the motion.



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

2017-06-13 Thread Sebastian Silva 
Hi Samson,

I hope you will have a successful travel.

As a member of Sugar Labs and one of the signataries of our Fiscal
Sponsorship Agreement with the Software Freedom Conservancy
 I would
appreciate if during your trip you would remember that we have a duty as
a Conservancy Project to respect its /"organizational mission and
charitable goal to promote, improve, develop and defend//
//Free, Libre, and Open Source Software projects."/

Keep in mind we agreed (section 2b) : /"The Project Will Be Free
Software. Conservancy and the Oversight Board agree that any//
//and all software and/or documentation distributed by the Project will
be distributed //*solely *//as Free Software." (emphasis added)./

It would be a sad thing (if not a breach of contract) if the community
(as represented by you) would present itself as indifferent to these values.

Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not
fit with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not
promote these entities while representing Sugar Labs.

Regards,

Sebastian


On 12/06/17 07:07, Samson Goddy wrote:
> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to
> the motion.
>

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

2017-06-12 Thread Adam Holt 
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez 
wrote:

> Sorry I did not reply before.
>
> It's a yes (+1) for me.
> Let's hope everyone votes now!
>

Yes!  This motion will pass (4 out of 7 votes is the bare minimum) with a
big thanks to all for staying engaged in support of Sugar Labs, until all
votes are counted, such that all sincerely held perspectives are respected,
one way or another!

Have a great trip Samson and let's hope the French govt cooperates in
understanding free/open learning from a truly global perspective~

*PS plz let us know your favorite non-Facebook channels if poss, in
addition to your outreach work on FB?*


Thanks,
> Ignacio
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
>> immediately !!
>>
>> PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours
>> from now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.
>>
>>
>>> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
>>> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>>
 On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

 Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

 Can you please try to vote yes or no


 Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!

 (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
 whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)


 today

 as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
 latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
 ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*


 On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" 
 wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That
>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his 
>> obtaining
>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for 
>> as
>> many days as required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to 
>> the
>> Software Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French
>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>> Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
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> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be 
> the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

2017-06-12 Thread Samson Goddy 
To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote. It is
very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to travel to
lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the motion.

Samson G

On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>
> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>
>
> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>
> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>
>
> today
>
> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
 get the visa.

>>>
>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That makes
>>> things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>>
>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining
>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as
>>> many days as required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the
>>> Software Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French
>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>> Goddy."
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>
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>>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
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>>>
>>>
>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
>> only way to get unstuck.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> --
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>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>
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