Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[James Cameron]

Community is already so fractured into separate mailing lists, that
adding yet another one seems wrong.

My preference would be for the board to discuss some decisions in
private, as is their right as a board, and use different means to
ensure that members are kept informed.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 08:12:47AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:27 AM, Martin Dengler <[1]mar...@martindengler.com>
> wrote:
> 
> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An
> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
> 
> I feel your pain. The volume of email relating to process issues of late has
> been overwhelming. It seems we could in large part remedy the situation by
> creating a new email list, shadow-slobs, which could be subscribed to by any
> community member who is interested in these sorts of topics and leave iaep to
> issues of pedagogy and sugar-devel to issues of software engineering.
> 
> -walter 
> 
> Martin
> 
> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty
> far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
> 
> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho <[2]cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between
> Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the
> time he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest
> of his trip is approved.
> Caryl
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt <[3]h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské <[4]
> lionel.la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> -1 for this motion.
> 
> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's
> fair that Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend
> to it.
> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side
> trip, so there is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>
> 
> Lionel,
> 
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who 
> don't
> find it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially 
> more
> than $500 disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator
> colleagues in Haiti...)
> 
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached
> this with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of
> the earlier desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190)
> ?  In this fashion his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much
> at all:
> 
> $1,277.68 @ [5]Emirates.com for [6] https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL
> Lagos - San Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
> 
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's
> side trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this
> summer, instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de
> facto high-pressure sales tactics.
> 
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put
> that behind us.
> 
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity
> immediately instead of arguing for days over a trip that could 
> Very
> Easily Go Down The Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with
> Oct 12 only days away now).
> 
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would *
> never * allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16
> days prior to travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had
> been mentioned forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar 
> Labs
> to the brink, and costing us money with ever-rising flight
> costs...)
> 
> ___
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> [7]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
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> 
> ___
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> [9]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [10]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> 
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> [11]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [12]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> 
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> [13]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> [14]
> 
> References:
> 
> [1] mailto:mar...@martindengler.com
> [2] mailto:cbige...@hotmail.com
> [3] mailto:h...@laptop.org
> [4] mailto:lionel.la...@gmail.com
> [5] 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Sebastian Silva]

On 25/09/17 07:12, Walter Bender wrote:
> remedy the situation by creating a new email list, shadow-slobs, which
> could be subscribed to by any community member who is interested in
> these sorts of topics
+1

Except the name of the list should be */sugar-discuss/* and so nothing
Sugar-related and Sugar-Labs-related would be off topic.

We are bound by our organizational principles to keep these
conversations in the open.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Ignacio Rodríguez]

+1 from me.

Please lets get his flight ASAP.
Time is essential
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Walter Bender]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:27 AM, Martin Dengler 
wrote:

> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An
> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
>

I feel your pain. The volume of email relating to process issues of late
has been overwhelming. It seems we could in large part remedy the situation
by creating a new email list, shadow-slobs, which could be subscribed to by
any community member who is interested in these sorts of topics and leave
iaep to issues of pedagogy and sugar-devel to issues of software
engineering.

-walter

>
>
> Martin
>
> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty
> far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
>
> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>
> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between
> Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time
> he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his
> trip is approved.
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -1 for this motion.
>>
>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>
>
> Lionel,
>
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find
> it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
> Haiti...)
>
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this
> with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>
> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
> high-pressure sales tactics.
>
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that
> behind us.
>
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>
> ___
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> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
> ___
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> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
>
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>
>


-- 
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Samson Goddy]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Ryan Cunningham <
levantamos.para.u...@gmail.com> wrote:

> El sept 25, 2017, a las 00:01, Ryan Cunningham <
> levantamos.para.u...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> Correction:
>
> My opinion is that Sugar Labs shouldn't approve trips not having to do
> with official business of Sugar Labs; the Software Freedom Conservancy; One
> Laptop per Child; an OLPC client organization; **Google Inc., or its
> parent company, Alphabet Inc.** (only for Sugar Labs' participation in
> the Google Code-In and Google Summer of Code); the Fedora Project; Red Hat,
> Inc.; the Linux Foundation; Linus Torvalds; or any other third-party
> individual or company that provides software to Sugar Labs.
>
> Speaking of that, would these trips have anything to do with such official
> business
>
>
Well in my opinion, Meeting Walter Bender (founder and member of Sugar
Labs) and plan about Turtle Art day in Nigeria and meeting with Scratch
foundation in MIT that provides scratch in Sugar and Possible Scratch 3.0
are both under official visit.

SL is not paying for my housing or foods while doing making these visits on
behalf of Sugar Labs. So i don't see why, i keep getting attacks.

Like i said it is my opinion, so people might disagree.

>
> --
> Enviado desde mi iPod
>
> El sept 24, 2017, a las 23:27, Martin Dengler 
> escribió:
>
> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An
> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
>
> Martin
>
> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty
> far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
>
> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>
> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between
> Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time
> he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his
> trip is approved.
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -1 for this motion.
>>
>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>
>
> Lionel,
>
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find
> it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
> Haiti...)
>
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this
> with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>
> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
> high-pressure sales tactics.
>
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that
> behind us.
>
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
> ___
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> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
> ___
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> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
>
> ___
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>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Samson Goddy]

Martin Dengler, i am sorry to be bringing this sad news to iaep list. FYI,
adam suggested it and put it himself not me.



On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:14 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -1 for this motion.
>>
>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>
>
> Lionel,
>
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find
> it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
> Haiti...)
>

Please, could you look for a flight that can cost only $500 from Nigeria to
America? Adam? since we are in the spirit of reducing flight tickets,
because i see it as a good idea too to flying $500.

Because you recently suggest that KLM flies less than $1400 without fulling
investigating that it was almost $2000 for that flight.

Well, Lionel feels that SL should invest money that was meant for travel
provided by Google for getting tablets because, Samson is the one
traveling.

>
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this
> with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>
> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>

I gave SFC two flight option either $1730 arriving 4:30pm which might make
me late(about 2-3hrs late due to immigration checkings) to the Gsoc summit
on friday. Or i could arrive by 2:30pm and be early for the summit.

Now you are sending me to far middle east which recently Donald Trump ban
(all middle east airlines and north Africa) due to potential terrorist
attack. Yes they lifted the ban? but remember you are putting me in a tight
corner with the U.S immigration officers, are you trying to get me
deported? because anything could go wrong with immigration especially when
it is my first time travelling outside Africa. Remember i am not a US
citizen like most of you, i am holding an ecowas (Nigerian passport) flying
from middle east is not good especially when i am traveling for the first
time.


So please Adam, i am tired of you suggesting flight from you own end
because you are not the one flying it.

Remember Donald Trump and travel policy especially when it has to do with
muslims flight?

Of course, i would want to spend my layover in Dubai (Nice city and great
airport compare to london) but i want avoid immigration questions like...
"we saw you flew to Dubai from Lagos, why didn't you take a direct flight
or fly via, paris, amsterdam or London which most people do, Are you a
terrorist? are you working for ISIS" yeah it is crazy, but i was ask if i
was going to bomb united states when i the consular officer was
interviewing me for my visa.

>
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
> high-pressure sales tactics.
>

That is not entirely true, because I informed SFC when they ask me for
flight option. I mentioned to the them that i am doing to Boston for (with
walter for future Turtle Art workshop in Nigeria, and Scratch for 3.0 on
Sugar and Sugarizer). The scratch foundation sent me a letter backing up my
visa for the purpose. SFC ask SLOBS to approve $2000 for my flight because
i gave them series of different options of flight using tripadvisor.

>
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that
> behind us.
>
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>
*Adam, 4 questions for you anything you will say or suggest is what i will
discuss with SFC*

*I am schedule to meet with SFC today concerning my flight. So adam what
are your points? are you trying to send my to middle east and label as a
potential terrorist (i filled in my form that i am not terrorist when
applying and was ask at the US embassy if i am a terrorist), remember i am
traveling to the U.S for the first time? 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Ryan Cunningham]

> El sept 25, 2017, a las 00:01, Ryan Cunningham 
>  escribió:

Correction:

> My opinion is that Sugar Labs shouldn't approve trips not having to do with 
> official business of Sugar Labs; the Software Freedom Conservancy; One Laptop 
> per Child; an OLPC client organization; *Google Inc., or its parent company, 
> Alphabet Inc.* (only for Sugar Labs' participation in the Google Code-In and 
> Google Summer of Code); the Fedora Project; Red Hat, Inc.; the Linux 
> Foundation; Linus Torvalds; or any other third-party individual or company 
> that provides software to Sugar Labs.
> 
> Speaking of that, would these trips have anything to do with such official 
> business?
> 
> -- 
> Enviado desde mi iPod
> 
>> El sept 24, 2017, a las 23:27, Martin Dengler  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An 
>> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty 
>> far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
>> 
>>> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between 
>>> Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time 
>>> he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his 
>>> trip is approved.
>>> Caryl
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>> 
 On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské  
 wrote:
> 
> -1 for this motion.
> 
> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that 
> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there 
> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
 
 Lionel,
 
 While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find 
 it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500 
 disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in 
 Haiti...)
 
 Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this 
 with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier 
 desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion 
 his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
 
 $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San 
 Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
 $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
 
 Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side 
 trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer, 
 instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto 
 high-pressure sales tactics.
 
 But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that 
 behind us.
 
 If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately 
 instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The 
 Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
 
 In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never * 
 allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to 
 travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned 
 forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and 
 costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
 ___
 IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
 IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> ___
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>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> ___
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Ryan Cunningham]

My opinion is that Sugar Labs shouldn't approve trips not having to do with 
official business of Sugar Labs; the Software Freedom Conservancy; One Laptop 
per Child; an OLPC client organization; Google Inc. (only for Sugar Labs' 
participation in the Google Code-In and Google Summer of Code); the Fedora 
Project; Red Hat, Inc.; the Linux Foundation; Linus Torvalds; or any other 
third-party individual or company that provides software to Sugar Labs.

Speaking of that, would these trips have anything to do with such official 
business?

-- 
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> El sept 24, 2017, a las 23:27, Martin Dengler  
> escribió:
> 
> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An 
> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
> 
> Martin
> 
> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty far 
> from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
> 
>> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>> 
>> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between Google 
>> and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time he can 
>> fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his trip is 
>> approved.
>> Caryl
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské  
>>> wrote:
 
 -1 for this motion.
 
 Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that 
 Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
 I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there 
 is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>> 
>>> Lionel,
>>> 
>>> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it 
>>> funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500 
>>> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in 
>>> Haiti...)
>>> 
>>> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with 
>>> a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier 
>>> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion 
>>> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>>> 
>>> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for  https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San 
>>> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
>>> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>>> 
>>> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side 
>>> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer, 
>>> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto 
>>> high-pressure sales tactics.
>>> 
>>> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind 
>>> us.
>>> 
>>> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately 
>>> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The 
>>> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>>> 
>>> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never * 
>>> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to 
>>> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned 
>>> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and 
>>> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>>> ___
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Martin Dengler]

How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An 
Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?

Martin

(Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty far 
from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)

> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
> 
> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between Google 
> and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time he can 
> fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his trip is 
> approved.
> Caryl
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské  wrote:
>>> 
>>> -1 for this motion.
>>> 
>>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that 
>>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there 
>>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>> 
>> Lionel,
>> 
>> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it 
>> funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500 
>> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in 
>> Haiti...)
>> 
>> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with 
>> a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier desired 
>> 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion his 2 side 
>> trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>> 
>> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San 
>> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
>> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>> 
>> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side trips 
>> could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer, instead of 
>> forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto high-pressure sales 
>> tactics.
>> 
>> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind 
>> us.
>> 
>> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately 
>> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The 
>> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>> 
>> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never * 
>> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to travel 
>> like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned forthrightly a 
>> priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and costing us money 
>> with ever-rising flight costs...)
>> 
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Caryl Bigenho]

Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between Google 
and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time he can fly 
(evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his trip is approved.
Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt 
> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:

-1 for this motion.

Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that Samson 
as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there is no 
reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.

Lionel,

While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it 
funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500 
disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in Haiti...)

Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with a 
spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier desired 
1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion his 2 side 
trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL 
Lagos - San Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16

Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side trips 
could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer, instead of 
forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto high-pressure sales 
tactics.

But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind us.

If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately 
instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The 
Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).

In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never * 
allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to travel 
like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned forthrightly a priori 
(instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and costing us money with 
ever-rising flight costs...)

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> -1 for this motion.
>
> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>

Lionel,

While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it
funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
Haiti...)

Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with
a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16

Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
high-pressure sales tactics.

But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind
us.

If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).

In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[D. Joe]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 04:55:25PM -0400, Adam Holt wrote:
> Flights like KLM's https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR have very efficient layovers
> (4h15m, 1h46m and 2h10m) and would save Sugar Labs $487.36 or $676.76 
> according
> to Samson's own arithmetic.

I'm sure there are other factors I'm missing in all this, but I wouldn't
call the last two layover times "efficient" in the context of
transcontinental and transoceanic international flight.  I'd call them
bordering on foolhardy for any but the most seasoned and flexible traveller
(eg, someone travelling light [eg, carryon only]), sufficiently experienced
and financially capable of negotiating any on-the-fly rebookings and added
accomodations necessitated by a missed connection.

It's probably why they are cheaper: Demand for them is probably lower.  If
any of those layover times include much standing in line for things like
customs, immigration/border control, security screening or the like, they
are too short.  Checked bags for domestic layovers can usually be checked
through, but for any layover that involves the passenger crossing a border,
bags generally need to be collected, taken through customs and border
control, passed through security once again, and then re-checked.  This can
go smoothly, or it can go horribly.  If there are delays for the incoming
flight on top of all that, it can make catching the connection impossible.

Foregoing the opportunity for far-flung Sugar Labs members to meet in person
at a proportionally low added marginal cost (compared, eg, to a separate
trip) could be penny wise but pound foolish, especially if the budget funds
are not fungible.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> From what I understand, from the flights that Samson identified, which
>> are the ones with reasonable layovers -- a consideration that the new SFC
>> travel guidelines allow him to take into account -- the difference is a
>> wash.
>>
>
> In this case both above statements are untrue (the difference is not a
> wash, nor is this covered by SFC's travel guidelines).
>

I am taking everyone at their word regarding available flights, layovers,
etc. I'm not the travel agent here. However, the SFC's new travel
guidelines do in fact have considerations for layovers (Please read
https://sfconservancy.org/projects/policies/conservancy-travel-policy.html)
so I don't think I am mistaken in that regard. I hope that between you and
Samson you can find efficient and cost-effective flights. As far as the
marginal cost associated with Samson going to Boston, I think it is
reasonable and an appropriate use of the Mentor funds we got from GSoC.

regards.

-walter


>
> Flights like KLM's https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR have very efficient
> layovers (4h15m, 1h46m and 2h10m) and would save Sugar Labs $487.36 or
> $676.76 according to Samson's own arithmetic.
>
> Samson has chosen to purchase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Open-jaw_ticket flights (returning to Nigeria from Boston instead of from
> San Francisco) which have a dramatically higher cost to Sugar Labs.
>
> Everybody should take seriously whether paying $487.36 or $676.76 extra
> for Samson's side trips to LA and Boston is or is not worth it.  But
> certainly not pretend that there's no additional cost.  Which is simply
> false in this case, no matter how much we might all wish it were true!
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> From what I understand, from the flights that Samson identified, which are
> the ones with reasonable layovers -- a consideration that the new SFC
> travel guidelines allow him to take into account -- the difference is a
> wash.
>

In this case both above statements are untrue (the difference is not a
wash, nor is this covered by SFC's travel guidelines).

Flights like KLM's https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR have very efficient layovers
(4h15m, 1h46m and 2h10m) and would save Sugar Labs $487.36 or $676.76
according to Samson's own arithmetic.

Samson has chosen to purchase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-jaw_ticket
flights (returning to Nigeria from Boston instead of from San Francisco)
which have a dramatically higher cost to Sugar Labs.

Everybody should take seriously whether paying $487.36 or $676.76 extra for
Samson's side trips to LA and Boston is or is not worth it.  But certainly
not pretend that there's no additional cost.  Which is simply false in this
case, no matter how much we might all wish it were true!
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Walter Bender]

Please excuse the top post.

>From what I understand, from the flights that Samson identified, which are
the ones with reasonable layovers -- a consideration that the new SFC
travel guidelines allow him to take into account -- the difference is a
wash. However, if you think it is necessary to vote on whether or not to
support Samson's layover in Boston, let me add another data point. Google,
in addition to giving SL $3300 towards mentor travel, also gave us $4500 to
be used at the discretion of the mentors. Since we had 10 active mentors,
that would mean that between Samson and myself, we have an additional $900
we could put towards travel. In any case, I think it is ludicrous not to
give a community member this opportunity.

As far as Lionel's argument that we could be buying tablets instead, to me
it doesn't hold water, because (a) the travel money is earmarked for
travel, and (b) for what ever reason, no one is suggesting that Michael's
travel money be put towards laptops.

regards.

-walter

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 24, 2017 7:44 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> +1 from me.
>>
>> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>
>>> Second.
>>>
>>> Sameer
>>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
 the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
 [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
 stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
 change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.

 Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
 Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.

 Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
 funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
 noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).

 [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing

>>>
> This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
> or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
> were not mention in Motion 2017-17
> ) to LA and
> Boston after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.
>
> As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits (
> $1433.46 is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
> https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )
>
> The links are not displaying. I chose a preferred flight to SFC which was
> under the rules and also flexible for me, i took weeks in getting that
> flights . Are you now choosing another flight for me?
>
> SFC originally asked me to Ask SLOBS for permission because they notice my
> layover in Boston which i explain in previous mail. That i am meeting with
> the scratch team and secondly walter about future T.A day in Nigeria.
>
> I am going to L.A from SFO on my own expenses  (caryl is paying for the
> flight) taking a local flight from L.A.X to boston.
>
> Which i did. You saying that document is incorrect is wrong. Because i
> sent the same documents to SFC starting that i am to fly British airways
> and coming back October 24th because of an exams i am having in Nigeria.
>
>
> Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra
> price, be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:
>
> $487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46
>
> $676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46
>
> Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
> Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
> execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
> discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
> unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
> merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.
>
>
> It is cool, but i don't understand why the arguments. The google link
> shows the flight i chose and explain how i intend to go to Boston.
>
> Once again thank you.
>
> Please i am to meet with SFC on monday for my flight so making this
> decision fast will be nice.
>
>
> Thank You All.
>
> regards.

 -walter

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Lionel Laské]

-1 for this motion.

Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.

  Lionel.

2017-09-24 20:59 GMT+02:00 Samson Goddy :

>
>
> On Sep 24, 2017 7:44 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> +1 from me.
>>
>> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>
>>> Second.
>>>
>>> Sameer
>>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
 the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
 [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
 stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
 change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.

 Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
 Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.

 Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
 funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
 noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).

 [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing

>>>
> This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
> or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
> were not mention in Motion 2017-17
> ) to LA and
> Boston after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.
>
> As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits (
> $1433.46 is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
> https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )
>
> The links are not displaying. I chose a preferred flight to SFC which was
> under the rules and also flexible for me, i took weeks in getting that
> flights . Are you now choosing another flight for me?
>
> SFC originally asked me to Ask SLOBS for permission because they notice my
> layover in Boston which i explain in previous mail. That i am meeting with
> the scratch team and secondly walter about future T.A day in Nigeria.
>
> I am going to L.A from SFO on my own expenses  (caryl is paying for the
> flight) taking a local flight from L.A.X to boston.
>
> Which i did. You saying that document is incorrect is wrong. Because i
> sent the same documents to SFC starting that i am to fly British airways
> and coming back October 24th because of an exams i am having in Nigeria.
>
>
> Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra
> price, be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:
>
> $487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46
>
> $676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46
>
> Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
> Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
> execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
> discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
> unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
> merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.
>
>
> It is cool, but i don't understand why the arguments. The google link
> shows the flight i chose and explain how i intend to go to Boston.
>
> Once again thank you.
>
> Please i am to meet with SFC on monday for my flight so making this
> decision fast will be nice.
>
>
> Thank You All.
>
> regards.

 -walter

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 24, 2017 7:44 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> +1 from me.
>
> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> Second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
>>> the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
>>> [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
>>> stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
>>> change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
>>> Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
>>> funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
>>> noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
>>> 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>
This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
were not mention in Motion 2017-17
) to LA and Boston
after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.

As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits ( $1433.46
is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )

The links are not displaying. I chose a preferred flight to SFC which was
under the rules and also flexible for me, i took weeks in getting that
flights . Are you now choosing another flight for me?

SFC originally asked me to Ask SLOBS for permission because they notice my
layover in Boston which i explain in previous mail. That i am meeting with
the scratch team and secondly walter about future T.A day in Nigeria.

I am going to L.A from SFO on my own expenses  (caryl is paying for the
flight) taking a local flight from L.A.X to boston.

Which i did. You saying that document is incorrect is wrong. Because i sent
the same documents to SFC starting that i am to fly British airways and
coming back October 24th because of an exams i am having in Nigeria.


Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra price,
be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:

$487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46

$676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46

Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.


It is cool, but i don't understand why the arguments. The google link shows
the flight i chose and explain how i intend to go to Boston.

Once again thank you.

Please i am to meet with SFC on monday for my flight so making this
decision fast will be nice.


Thank You All.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> +1 from me.
>
> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> Second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
>>> the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
>>> [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
>>> stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
>>> change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
>>> Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
>>> funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
>>> noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
>>> 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>
This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
were not mention in Motion 2017-17
) to LA and Boston
after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.

As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits (
$1433.46 is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )

Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra price,
be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:

$487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46

$676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46

Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.

Thank You All.

regards.
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