Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Walter Bender]

On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 7:51 PM Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>
> P.S. To Walter... what is the size of the Sugar Labs banner you have?
>

It is about 30 inches wide and 72 inches tall. Self-standing.

-walter

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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Samson Goddy]

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 5:17 PM Caryl Bigenho  Hi Kenneth and all... my reference to Windows is only to say we should try
> to show that Sugar can run on whatever hardware they happen to have. We
> won’t be running Windows but it would be nice to have SOAS running on a
> machine that is a Windows machine.
>
If I can come in.

I totally agree. We know, most classrooms uses either windows or Mac OSX.
So I think showing that Sugarizer have potential in running sugar desktop
directly on those machines would be great.

Today I saw on Twitter that Sugarizer will be coming as a native app for
MacOSX.

I think we need to follow up with Lionel on that. Sugar can also run
Windows by Virtual Box(Soas)

Hrishi came up with a brilliant plan for Sugar taking leverage of windows
10 OS too.

So at the moment Sugar as a Desktop can literally run anywhere including
Raspberry Pi.


Sugar by itself (Soas)

Sugar with Linux

Sugarizer (chrome app, native app)

Sugar on Raspberry Pi

Sugar with Virtual Box

Sugar with Windows (Hrishi can you throw some light)


Regards


>
>
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Kenneth Wyrick  wrote:
> >
> > Caryl,
> >
> > Forget the Windoz stuff.
> >
> > For me it would be best to push OSSIE as the general theme of the booth.
> > The olpc, sugar and most anything else we have should fit into OSSIE.
> Over
> > the years we have established OSSIE and even though we do not host
> meetups
> > throughout the year, so that we have projects for SCALE we should still
> us
> > OSSIE as the broad category of systems and resources for the booth.
> >
> > We need to have a running Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB) XSCE School Server
> > https://github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-6.7-Release-Notes
> > (works good on a laptop and there's a raspberry pi install)
> >
> > and we also need to have
> >
> > RACHEL Pis that someone creates, to share, demo and display:
> > https://store.worldpossible.org/
> >
> > If we asked WorldPossible they might even donate or loan us what we need
> > in exchange for recognition and promotion in our booth.
> >
> > If there are no objections to the about two systems. I'll work on
> > providing them.
> >
> > On Sat, December 22, 2018 4:50 pm, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> > Hi Alex... and all...
> >
> > I also have several XOs that I can bring to SCaLE, including one of the
> > blue high school models.
> >
> > I have never been much of a fan of SOAS because it never worked well and
> > reliably when I tried it. When it first came out I did a workshop at a
> > CUE-LA conference and no one was particularly impressed with it. Is there
> > a better version now? What will it run on and how difficult is it to make
> > it work? I have an older Mac we can use for it, we should have it on
> > something running Windows as well.
> >
> > Yes, you are absolutely correct about needing to explain Sugar to the
> > people who should be our target audience... educators, parents, and
> > children. Perhaps we could get the help of educators, like your wife
> (and,
> > perhaps, Sameer's wife... a math teacher). We could ask them to choose
> > some of the Activities they feel are best and most useful and tell us why
> > they chose them. I am a retired Science teacher so I can speak for the
> > science Activities.
> >
> > Guzman Trinidad in Uruguay is sending me a copy of his new book, "Fisica
> > con el XO" (Physics with the XO). Perhaps we can set up some of his
> > experiments. It would also be interesting to see if we can do some of
> them
> > with Sugar/Sugarizer on other devices.
> >
> > Caryl
> >
> > P.S. To Walter... what is the size of the Sugar Labs banner you have?
> >
> > P.P.S. To All check your schedules and see if you can make it to
> SCaLE
> > this year, If so, are you interested in getting together to rent a house
> > in Pasadena? Let me know.
> > 
> > From: Alex Perez 
> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 11:25 AM
> > To: Caryl Bigenho
> > Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; aaron Kaplan;
> > georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick
> > Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
> >
> > Caryl,
> >
> > The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the
> > IAEP mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who
> > actually bother to read, much less participate, in these conversations is
> > a tiny fraction of that.
> >
> > As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is that
> > it's _way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to come
> up
> > with a more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized around
> > 2004, and If I had a dollar for every time I read something referred to
> as
> > "$shinyThing" 2.0 I'd probably have a few hundred thousand dollars, at
> > this point.
> >
> > With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably
> > try to reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added,
> > dropped, 

Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Kenneth and all... my reference to Windows is only to say we should try to 
show that Sugar can run on whatever hardware they happen to have. We won’t be 
running Windows but it would be nice to have SOAS running on a machine that is 
a Windows machine. 

Caryl 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Kenneth Wyrick  wrote:
> 
> Caryl,
> 
> Forget the Windoz stuff.
> 
> For me it would be best to push OSSIE as the general theme of the booth.
> The olpc, sugar and most anything else we have should fit into OSSIE. Over
> the years we have established OSSIE and even though we do not host meetups
> throughout the year, so that we have projects for SCALE we should still us
> OSSIE as the broad category of systems and resources for the booth.
> 
> We need to have a running Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB) XSCE School Server
> https://github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-6.7-Release-Notes
> (works good on a laptop and there's a raspberry pi install)
> 
> and we also need to have
> 
> RACHEL Pis that someone creates, to share, demo and display:
> https://store.worldpossible.org/
> 
> If we asked WorldPossible they might even donate or loan us what we need
> in exchange for recognition and promotion in our booth.
> 
> If there are no objections to the about two systems. I'll work on
> providing them.
> 
> On Sat, December 22, 2018 4:50 pm, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> Hi Alex... and all...
> 
> I also have several XOs that I can bring to SCaLE, including one of the
> blue high school models.
> 
> I have never been much of a fan of SOAS because it never worked well and
> reliably when I tried it. When it first came out I did a workshop at a
> CUE-LA conference and no one was particularly impressed with it. Is there
> a better version now? What will it run on and how difficult is it to make
> it work? I have an older Mac we can use for it, we should have it on
> something running Windows as well.
> 
> Yes, you are absolutely correct about needing to explain Sugar to the
> people who should be our target audience... educators, parents, and
> children. Perhaps we could get the help of educators, like your wife (and,
> perhaps, Sameer's wife... a math teacher). We could ask them to choose
> some of the Activities they feel are best and most useful and tell us why
> they chose them. I am a retired Science teacher so I can speak for the
> science Activities.
> 
> Guzman Trinidad in Uruguay is sending me a copy of his new book, "Fisica
> con el XO" (Physics with the XO). Perhaps we can set up some of his
> experiments. It would also be interesting to see if we can do some of them
> with Sugar/Sugarizer on other devices.
> 
> Caryl
> 
> P.S. To Walter... what is the size of the Sugar Labs banner you have?
> 
> P.P.S. To All check your schedules and see if you can make it to SCaLE
> this year, If so, are you interested in getting together to rent a house
> in Pasadena? Let me know.
> 
> From: Alex Perez 
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 11:25 AM
> To: Caryl Bigenho
> Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; aaron Kaplan;
> georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick
> Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
> 
> Caryl,
> 
> The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the
> IAEP mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who
> actually bother to read, much less participate, in these conversations is
> a tiny fraction of that.
> 
> As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is that
> it's _way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to come up
> with a more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized around
> 2004, and If I had a dollar for every time I read something referred to as
> "$shinyThing" 2.0 I'd probably have a few hundred thousand dollars, at
> this point.
> 
> With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably
> try to reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added,
> dropped, etc. Which entities would you propose should be added, and how
> are they related to OLPC and/or Sugar? I also see value in potentially
> having a second poster or banner with the "child" entities separated on to
> this. This would allow for the re-use of a strictly "sugar labs" banner at
> other events, and have at the ready.
> 
> As far as using the OLPC name, I don't think there's anything wrong with
> it, in and of itself, as long as it does not cause confusion, which I
> personally believe "OLPC 2.0" has the unintended result of doing, at least
> in the context of a Linux conference. Reasonable people can disagree. To
> me, as a deeply technical person, I think "oh cool, new OLPC harware" and
> I think it is reasonable for attendees at a Linux-oriented conference to
> have a similar reaction.
> 
> I think it would make sense to have a variety of devices running Sugar and
> Sugar On A Stick at the show, including the original OLPC. I personally
> think we need to 

Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Alex... and all...

I also have several XOs that I can bring to SCaLE, including one of the blue 
high school models.

I have never been much of a fan of SOAS because it never worked well and 
reliably when I tried it. When it first came out I did a workshop at a CUE-LA 
conference and no one was particularly impressed with it. Is there a better 
version now? What will it run on and how difficult is it to make it work? I 
have an older Mac we can use for it, we should have it on something running 
Windows as well.

Yes, you are absolutely correct about needing to explain Sugar to the people 
who should be our target audience... educators, parents, and children. Perhaps 
we could get the help of educators, like your wife (and, perhaps, Sameer's 
wife... a math teacher). We could ask them to choose some of the Activities 
they feel are best and most useful and tell us why they chose them. I am a 
retired Science teacher so I can speak for the science Activities.

Guzman Trinidad in Uruguay is sending me a copy of his new book, "Fisica con el 
XO" (Physics with the XO). Perhaps we can set up some of his experiments. It 
would also be interesting to see if we can do some of them with Sugar/Sugarizer 
on other devices.

Caryl

P.S. To Walter... what is the size of the Sugar Labs banner you have?

P.P.S. To All check your schedules and see if you can make it to SCaLE this 
year, If so, are you interested in getting together to rent a house in 
Pasadena? Let me know.

From: Alex Perez 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 11:25 AM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; aaron Kaplan; 
georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick
Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

Caryl,

The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the IAEP 
mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who actually bother 
to read, much less participate, in these conversations is a tiny fraction of 
that.

As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is that it's 
_way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to come up with a 
more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized around 2004, and If I 
had a dollar for every time I read something referred to as "$shinyThing" 2.0 
I'd probably have a few hundred thousand dollars, at this point.

With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably try to 
reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added, dropped, etc. 
Which entities would you propose should be added, and how are they related to 
OLPC and/or Sugar? I also see value in potentially having a second poster or 
banner with the "child" entities separated on to this. This would allow for the 
re-use of a strictly "sugar labs" banner at other events, and have at the ready.

As far as using the OLPC name, I don't think there's anything wrong with it, in 
and of itself, as long as it does not cause confusion, which I personally 
believe "OLPC 2.0" has the unintended result of doing, at least in the context 
of a Linux conference. Reasonable people can disagree. To me, as a deeply 
technical person, I think "oh cool, new OLPC harware" and I think it is 
reasonable for attendees at a Linux-oriented conference to have a similar 
reaction.

I think it would make sense to have a variety of devices running Sugar and 
Sugar On A Stick at the show, including the original OLPC. I personally think 
we need to do a better job of explaining what Sugar is, and why a parent or 
educational institution might be interested in having their child use it.





Caryl Bigenho
December 21, 2018 at 10:51 AM
Hi Again...

Tony Anderson would like to see us keep this discussion on the iaep list, and I 
agree with him. If there are really 240 subscribers, please let's hear from 
more of you! This is all about "marketing" Sugar and everyone should have an 
interest in that! (See the PS below)

Let's discuss the banner. I "created" it back in 2014 with the help of several 
other people... I think Tony Anderson and Adam Holt were among them. The object 
of calling it "olpc 2.0" was not to any way detract from "OLPC", as a matter of 
fact, we still have a table-size banner with the original OLPC logo and use 
both of them at the same time at SCaLE. Think of it as "olpc 2.0" representing 
all of the "children" of OLPC! They are the offshoots. "olpc 2.0" is what 
brings them all together as one "family" with OLPC as the "patriarch." Can some 
one come up with a replacement that conveys that same spirit?

Or, we can just keep the "olpc 2.0" and use it on a new banner (you will 
notice, we purposely used a different font and rearranged the OLPC colors). 
There are many other organizations using "OLPC" in their name.. OLPC-France and 
OLPC-SF for example, so "olpc 2.0" should not be a problem.

In addition to having at least one entity that is no longer active, the 

Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Dave Crossland]

Fair enough

Given the tiny size of the present community, I find it hard to understand
why if all such messages are in a muted thread, it would bother me :)

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 7:22 PM Alex Perez  Dave,
>
> It's not about 'splintering' discussion. There are a lot of logistics
> for a physical event, from "I'll bring X, Y, Z" to "meet us here on
> Friday" that simply _should not_ be happening on the iaep mailing list.
>
> Dave Crossland wrote:
> > I agree with Caryl, in that unlike me and the 229 others not doing
> > anything for scale, she is doing something and that should only be
> > commended.
> >
> > I also think splintering the discussion in many mailing lists is a
> > pity, since email reader app features exist to deal with muting
> > uninteresting threads, and it makes historical research harder.
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Walter Bender]

I have a Sugar Labs banner that I can make available.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 7:22 PM Alex Perez  Dave,
>
> It's not about 'splintering' discussion. There are a lot of logistics
> for a physical event, from "I'll bring X, Y, Z" to "meet us here on
> Friday" that simply _should not_ be happening on the iaep mailing list.
>
> Dave Crossland wrote:
> > I agree with Caryl, in that unlike me and the 229 others not doing
> > anything for scale, she is doing something and that should only be
> > commended.
> >
> > I also think splintering the discussion in many mailing lists is a
> > pity, since email reader app features exist to deal with muting
> > uninteresting threads, and it makes historical research harder.
>
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Alex Perez]

Dave,

It's not about 'splintering' discussion. There are a lot of logistics 
for a physical event, from "I'll bring X, Y, Z" to "meet us here on 
Friday" that simply _should not_ be happening on the iaep mailing list.


Dave Crossland wrote:
I agree with Caryl, in that unlike me and the 229 others not doing 
anything for scale, she is doing something and that should only be 
commended.


I also think splintering the discussion in many mailing lists is a 
pity, since email reader app features exist to deal with muting 
uninteresting threads, and it makes historical research harder.


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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Alex Perez]

Caryl,

Don't take it personally. While I agree James' comment was unfortunate, 
I do also understand what he was trying to say. I find it to have been 
worded quite poorly. We should all move on with the discussion.


Caryl, can you share your thoughts on what additions, as well as 
deletions, if any, should be included in a new banner, logo-wise?


Caryl Bigenho wrote:


I am saddened and a bit discouraged by James' comments about Tony and 
I being "too busy to be involved." There wouldn't have been anyone at 
SCaLE ever if I were not involved. There would be no Primero1° if I 
had not been involved. There would be no small deployment at a women's 
shelter in Los Angeles if I had not been involved... etc, etc, etc.


And as for Tony Anderson... his involvement is totally incredible, and 
most of it is done "on his own dime." The problem is some people are 
so impressed with all the things that they do that they lose sight of 
the fact that many others are also toiling and "fighting the good fight."


Wake up! We are a team. We need to all work together, each in our own 
way according to our own skills, abilities, and interests. No one here 
should put themselves on a pedestal and declare themselves better than 
anyone else as James has done in his note to Alex, sent to all of us 
below.


Caryl


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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[James Cameron]

Heh.  Sorry about that.  Uninvolved in the event-planning mailing
list, is what I was saying.  You're quite involved, I know.  But you
don't want to be involved in the event-planning mailing list, so
that's fine.

We have 43 people to draw from; that's who voted at the recent
election.  I want to make sure the people who want to be involved in
something work together.

While it's nice to say we have 238 subscriptions to IAEP, most of them
aren't involved or reading any longer.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:06:47PM +, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> To Everyone...
> 
> I am saddened and a bit discouraged by James' comments about Tony and I being
> "too busy to be involved." There wouldn't have been anyone at SCaLE ever if I
> were not involved. There would be no Primero1° if I had not been involved.
> There would be no small deployment at a women's shelter in Los Angeles if I 
> had
> not been involved... etc, etc, etc. 
> 
> And as for Tony Anderson... his involvement is totally incredible, and most of
> it is done "on his own dime." The problem is some people are so impressed with
> all the things that they do that they lose sight of the fact that many others
> are also toiling and "fighting the good fight." 
> 
> Wake up! We are a team. We need to all work together, each in our own way
> according to our own skills, abilities, and interests. No one here should put
> themselves on a pedestal and declare themselves better than anyone else as
> James has done in his note to Alex, sent to all of us below.
> 
> Caryl
> ━━━
> From: IAEP  on behalf of James Cameron
> 
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:04 PM
> To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
> 
> Thanks Alex,
> 
> Don't worry about Tony and Caryl.  Like the other 230 or so
> subscribers, they are too busy to be involved.  Rest of us on
> event-planning can keep them updated with occasional posts to IAEP.
> 
> In other words; we split our messaging; for the too busy uninvolved we
> will say different things to what we say to the involved.
> 
> It is ever thus, in all our mediums.
> 
> --
> James Cameron
> [1]http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Dave Crossland]

I agree with Caryl, in that unlike me and the 229 others not doing anything
for scale, she is doing something and that should only be commended.

I also think splintering the discussion in many mailing lists is a pity,
since email reader app features exist to deal with muting uninteresting
threads, and it makes historical research harder.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 5:07 PM Caryl Bigenho  To Everyone...
>
> I am saddened and a bit discouraged by James' comments about Tony and I
> being "too busy to be involved." There wouldn't have been anyone at SCaLE
> ever if I were not involved. There would be no Primero1° if I had not been
> involved. There would be no small deployment at a women's shelter in Los
> Angeles if I had not been involved... etc, etc, etc.
>
> And as for Tony Anderson... his involvement is totally incredible, and
> most of it is done "on his own dime." The problem is some people are so
> impressed with all the things that they do that they lose sight of the fact
> that many others are also toiling and "fighting the good fight."
>
> Wake up! We are a team. We need to all work together, each in our own way
> according to our own skills, abilities, and interests. No one here should
> put themselves on a pedestal and declare themselves better than anyone else
> as James has done in his note to Alex, sent to all of us below.
>
> Caryl
> --
> *From:* IAEP  on behalf of James
> Cameron 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2018 1:04 PM
> *To:* iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
>
> Thanks Alex,
>
> Don't worry about Tony and Caryl.  Like the other 230 or so
> subscribers, they are too busy to be involved.  Rest of us on
> event-planning can keep them updated with occasional posts to IAEP.
>
> In other words; we split our messaging; for the too busy uninvolved we
> will say different things to what we say to the involved.
>
> It is ever thus, in all our mediums.
>
> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Caryl Bigenho]

To Everyone...

I am saddened and a bit discouraged by James' comments about Tony and I being 
"too busy to be involved." There wouldn't have been anyone at SCaLE ever if I 
were not involved. There would be no Primero1° if I had not been involved. 
There would be no small deployment at a women's shelter in Los Angeles if I had 
not been involved... etc, etc, etc.

And as for Tony Anderson... his involvement is totally incredible, and most of 
it is done "on his own dime." The problem is some people are so impressed with 
all the things that they do that they lose sight of the fact that many others 
are also toiling and "fighting the good fight."

Wake up! We are a team. We need to all work together, each in our own way 
according to our own skills, abilities, and interests. No one here should put 
themselves on a pedestal and declare themselves better than anyone else as 
James has done in his note to Alex, sent to all of us below.

Caryl

From: IAEP  on behalf of James Cameron 

Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:04 PM
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

Thanks Alex,

Don't worry about Tony and Caryl.  Like the other 230 or so
subscribers, they are too busy to be involved.  Rest of us on
event-planning can keep them updated with occasional posts to IAEP.

In other words; we split our messaging; for the too busy uninvolved we
will say different things to what we say to the involved.

It is ever thus, in all our mediums.

--
James Cameron
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[James Cameron]

Thanks Alex,

Don't worry about Tony and Caryl.  Like the other 230 or so
subscribers, they are too busy to be involved.  Rest of us on
event-planning can keep them updated with occasional posts to IAEP.

In other words; we split our messaging; for the too busy uninvolved we
will say different things to what we say to the involved.

It is ever thus, in all our mediums.

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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Alex Perez]

Caryl,

The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the 
IAEP mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who 
actually bother to read, much less participate, in these conversations 
is a tiny fraction of that.


As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is 
that it's _way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to 
come up with a more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized 
around 2004, and If I had a dollar for every time I read something 
referred to as "$shinyThing" 2.0 I'd probably have a few hundred 
thousand dollars, at this point.


With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably 
try to reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added, 
dropped, etc. Which entities would you propose should be added, and how 
are they related to OLPC and/or Sugar? I also see value in potentially 
having a second poster or banner with the "child" entities separated on 
to this. This would allow for the re-use of a strictly "sugar labs" 
banner at other events, and have at the ready.


As far as using the OLPC name, I don't think there's anything wrong with 
it, in and of itself, as long as it does not cause confusion, which I 
personally believe "OLPC 2.0" has the unintended result of doing, at 
least in the context of a Linux conference. Reasonable people can 
disagree. To me, as a deeply technical person, I think "oh cool, new 
OLPC harware" and I think it is reasonable for attendees at a 
Linux-oriented conference to have a similar reaction.


I think it would make sense to have a variety of devices running Sugar 
and Sugar On A Stick at the show, including the original OLPC. I 
personally think we need to do a better job of explaining what Sugar is, 
and why a parent or educational institution might be interested in 
having their child use it.







Caryl Bigenho 
December 21, 2018 at 10:51 AM
Hi Again...

Tony Anderson would like to see us keep this discussion on the iaep 
list, and I agree with him. If there are really 240 subscribers, 
please let's hear from more of you! This is all about "marketing" 
Sugar and everyone should have an interest in that! (See the PS below)


Let's discuss the banner. I "created" it back in 2014 with the help of 
several other people... I think Tony Anderson and Adam Holt were among 
them. The object of calling it "olpc 2.0" was not to any way detract 
from "OLPC", as a matter of fact, we still have a table-size banner 
with the original OLPC logo and use both of them at the same time at 
SCaLE. Think of it as "olpc 2.0" representing all of the "children" of 
OLPC! They are the offshoots. "olpc 2.0" is what brings them all 
together as one "family" with OLPC as the "patriarch." Can some one 
come up with a replacement that conveys that same spirit?


Or, we can just keep the "olpc 2.0" and use it on a new banner (you 
will notice, we purposely used a different font and rearranged the 
OLPC colors). There are many other organizations using "OLPC" in their 
name.. OLPC-France and OLPC-SF for example, so "olpc 2.0" should not 
be a problem.


In addition to having at least one entity that is no longer active, 
the current banner is missing several others that have started since 
2014 that should be included. It's definitely time for an update.


The size of the SCaLE booth is 10' by 10' so the banner has to be at 
least 8' wide to look good. The current one is made of a lightweight 
non-woven fabric that resists wrinkles and can be folded fairly small 
to fit in the outside pocket of a suitcase. We took it that way to 
LinuxFest Northwest a couple of years ago. It would be good if any new 
one we get would be similar so it could be shared, even by mailing or 
UPS or FedEx to whomever may need it to have at other events.


Alex Perez, if you have a connection that can print for us, great! 
Otherwise, we can get bids from several printers. I paid for the two 
original banners, "OLPC" and "olpc 2.0", but maybe SugarLabs would 
like to sponsor it this time?


Caryl

P.S. Remember, "iaep" was an acronym created by Mel Chu to remind us 
of what we are are really about. It stands for: *I*t's *A*n 
*E*ducation *P*roject!





*From:* Alex Perez 
*Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:10 PM
*To:* Caryl Bigenho
*Cc:* iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; Aaron Kaplan; 
georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick

*Subject:* Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
Caryl & others,

I have removed all of the recipients who are already members of the 
IAEP mailing list from the CC: list, so they do not receive duplicate 
e-mails.


I will be in attendance at SCaLE 17x, along with my wife, who is 
currently a first grade schoolteacher, and has taught second grade, 
kindergarten, and pre-K here in California. Since this is a 
volunteer-run, kid-friendly event, it 

Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Again...

Tony Anderson would like to see us keep this discussion on the iaep list, and I 
agree with him. If there are really 240 subscribers, please let's hear from 
more of you! This is all about "marketing" Sugar and everyone should have an 
interest in that! (See the PS below)

Let's discuss the banner. I "created" it back in 2014 with the help of several 
other people... I think Tony Anderson and Adam Holt were among them. The object 
of calling it "olpc 2.0" was not to any way detract from "OLPC", as a matter of 
fact, we still have a table-size banner with the original OLPC logo and use 
both of them at the same time at SCaLE. Think of it as "olpc 2.0" representing 
all of the "children" of OLPC! They are the offshoots. "olpc 2.0" is what 
brings them all together as one "family" with OLPC as the "patriarch." Can some 
one come up with a replacement that conveys that same spirit?

Or, we can just keep the "olpc 2.0" and use it on a new banner (you will 
notice, we purposely used a different font and rearranged the OLPC colors). 
There are many other organizations using "OLPC" in their name.. OLPC-France and 
OLPC-SF for example, so "olpc 2.0" should not be a problem.

In addition to having at least one entity that is no longer active, the current 
banner is missing several others that have started since 2014 that should be 
included. It's definitely time for an update.

The size of the SCaLE booth is 10' by 10' so the banner has to be at least 8' 
wide to look good. The current one is made of a lightweight non-woven fabric 
that resists wrinkles and can be folded fairly small to fit in the outside 
pocket of a suitcase. We took it that way to LinuxFest Northwest a couple of 
years ago. It would be good if any new one we get would be similar so it could 
be shared, even by mailing or UPS or FedEx to whomever may need it to have at 
other events.

Alex Perez, if you have a connection that can print for us, great! Otherwise, 
we can get bids from several printers. I paid for the two original banners, 
"OLPC" and "olpc 2.0", but maybe SugarLabs would like to sponsor it this time?

Caryl

P.S. Remember, "iaep" was an acronym created by Mel Chu to remind us of what we 
are are really about. It stands for: It's An Education Project!




From: Alex Perez 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:10 PM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; Aaron Kaplan; 
georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick
Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

Caryl & others,

I have removed all of the recipients who are already members of the IAEP 
mailing list from the CC: list, so they do not receive duplicate e-mails.

I will be in attendance at SCaLE 17x, along with my wife, who is currently a 
first grade schoolteacher, and has taught second grade, kindergarten, and pre-K 
here in California. Since this is a volunteer-run, kid-friendly event, it has a 
fairly different emphasis than a lot of other Linux-oriented conferences.

Since there are nearly 240 subscribers to the IAEP mailing list, I would like 
to propose we peel off the discussion of the specifics to a general-purpose 
"events" mailing list, with only the people who actually wish to be involved in 
the specifics of this discussion. I can set one up easily, and we can continue 
discussion there. Thoughts?

On the subject of the banner, see below...

Caryl Bigenho wrote:

We also need to decide on a possible new banner for the booth or whether we 
might just use the one we already have. See the attached photo of the booth at 
SCaLE 15X. If we want a new one, we should get a design and order it right 
away. It always costs less if you order early. The one in the photo lists most, 
but not all, of the various organizations and projects that are offshoots from, 
or related to, the old OLPC organization. Thus, the title "olpc 2.0."
I am strongly in favor of _not_ re-using this banner, for a few reasons:

- It has at least one domain on it that is no longer functional
- planet.sugarlabs.org lacks quality content these days, and I really don't 
think we should be encouraging people to visit it
- "OLPC 2.0" is a bit of an odd term, and since this was a proposed/prototyped 
piece of hardware at one time, if people googles the term, they get nothing 
useful. Furthermore, since the OLPC Foundation still is a legal entity which 
exists, and holds a current, valid trademark on OLPC,  I am against using it on 
signage, without the express written consent of OLPC, Inc, which is based in 
Miami.

I would personally prefer to emphasize "Sugar Labs" logo, and have it be most 
prominent. If I print the banner, are there any objections to that? Do you or 
does anyone else know who created the banner used at SCaLE 15x? Just curious.
SCaLE is in Pasadena again this year. There are a couple of hotels close by and 
they usually offer a small discount to conference attendees. There is also the 
possibility of some 

Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Alex Perez]

Caryl & others,

I have removed all of the recipients who are already members of the IAEP 
mailing list from the CC: list, so they do not receive duplicate e-mails.


I will be in attendance at SCaLE 17x, along with my wife, who is 
currently a first grade schoolteacher, and has taught second grade, 
kindergarten, and pre-K here in California. Since this is a 
volunteer-run, kid-friendly event, it has a fairly different emphasis 
than a lot of other Linux-oriented conferences.


Since there are nearly 240 subscribers to the IAEP mailing list, I would 
like to propose we peel off the discussion of the specifics to a 
general-purpose "events" mailing list, with only the people who actually 
wish to be involved in the specifics of this discussion. I can set one 
up easily, and we can continue discussion there. Thoughts?


On the subject of the banner, see below...

Caryl Bigenho wrote:


We also need to decide on a possible new banner for the booth or 
whether we might just use the one we already have. See the attached 
photo of the booth at SCaLE 15X. If we want a new one, we should get a 
design and order it right away. It always costs less if you order 
early. The one in the photo lists most, but not all, of the various 
organizations and projects that are offshoots from, or related to, the 
old OLPC organization. Thus, the title "olpc 2.0."

I am strongly in favor of _not_ re-using this banner, for a few reasons:

- It has at least one domain on it that is no longer functional
- planet.sugarlabs.org lacks quality content these days, and I really 
don't think we should be encouraging people to visit it
- "OLPC 2.0" is a bit of an odd term, and since this was a 
proposed/prototyped piece of hardware at one time, if people googles the 
term, they get nothing useful. Furthermore, since the OLPC Foundation 
still is a legal entity which exists, and holds a current, valid 
trademark on OLPC,  I am against using it on signage, without the 
express written consent of OLPC, Inc, which is based in Miami.


I would personally prefer to emphasize "Sugar Labs" logo, and have it be 
most prominent. If I print the banner, are there any objections to that? 
Do you or does anyone else know who created the banner used at SCaLE 
15x? Just curious.
SCaLE is in Pasadena again this year. There are a couple of hotels 
close by and they usually offer a small discount to conference 
attendees. There is also the possibility of some of us getting 
together and renting a large house in the area via AirBnB or one of 
the other rental companies. Availability for these right now is 
excellent, but I expect they won't last long. If folks would like to 
do this, we need to move on it soon.


Let's make this happen!

Caryl Bigenho (unofficial SCaLE 19X booth chairperson... unless 
someone else wants to do it!)


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